The Syndicate

I just wanted to let y'all know, I won't be around until after Christmas. I have been busy getting ready for Christmas and I just wanted to at least let y'all know that I won't have any time to post until the day after Christmas. Sorry!!

Merry Christmas!!

DFaraday wrote:Day 2 - I Can't Get No Stratusfaction

The group was increasingly on edge, and so they gathered backstage once more to determine who was behind all the killings. Unfortunately, Mongoose's name quickly came up.

"Guys, I'm innocent!" she insisted, but to no avail. Soon Mongoose was surrounded by a mob holding chairs. She had no chance but to fight her way out. Mongoose kicked Russ's chair away, then as Mata swung at her, grabbed Mata in a facelock and slammed down. Mongoose was just about to escape when she tripped over her shoelaces. The mob caught up to her and soon her Canada pants were stained red with blood as they beat her to death with chairs.

Mongoose has been lynched. She was Trish Stratus.

It is now Night. You have Twenty-TWO hours to get your PMs in.

Well... Would you look at that.

Epignosis wrote:Eight votes have been made on Mongoose. I presently trust three of the casters.

Frankly I find it weird that I make an argument and rather than discussing, some people just accept and vote. I will read back and think some more on this.

Please excuse my earlier posts, I had not seen this one. This is why I prefer multi-quoting, an option I still haven't figured out how to use if y'all have it over here.

But, I still repeat: You still voted for Mongoose, which means you still must have found her more suspicious than the ones who just jumped on your wagon.

You have already stated that you don't care how people will look at you if Mongoose flips civ. You have said sometimes you build cases to see reactions, I'm guessing from that said player and others and you have made remarks about both trusting some players who voted and find others who are following behind you suspicious.

Something is just not sitting well. I'm starting to sense the possibility you are a very, very good baddie who is building a safety-net for himself to fall into if/when Mongoose flips civ.

Epignosis wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Devin.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of).
I have not voted. Why have you?
I'm actually quite concerned that you haven't voted yet. You're not misleading us are you?
Sometimes I make a big case on someone to see who will latch onto it.

Hmmm... Both good and bad things could come of this. Since you have voted for her, you must believe she is a baddie and are still not trying to smoke someone out, are you? I still don't know if I buy it, but it is something I have seen done before. Not to this level, but I have seen it.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Devin.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of).
I have not voted. Why have you?
I'm actually quite concerned that you haven't voted yet. You're not misleading us are you?

Why are you following him so easily? I know you say this seems like his civ play, but you can never be 100% sure. I'm am very uneasy about this.

Epignosis wrote:Devin.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of).
I have not voted. Why have you?

I actually don't know if you are a civ or baddie, but if you are a civ, does it not ping the crap outta of you that all these people seem to almost blindly follow you and vote for Mongoose? There is a line between agreeing and taking people's opinions into consideration and then there is just convenience. I am not saying all the votes for Mongoose are baddies, but people are voting for Mongoose based on things YOU SAID and you are one of the last to vote for her and none of seems a little too easy??

^^The above being said, this does not excuse AP for the part they played. I have seen the posts about just wanting chaos for chaos sake. THAT to me, seems like a scum taking a situation and running with it. Possibly to make her look bad, to make them look like they were in cahoots, the list could go on.

Loulou26 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Is there a mod I can talk to that isn't a player in either game? I'm now seeing posts from this game answered in Epi's and I want to prove that I am not up to shenanigans or intentional game wrecking.
There is. You switched your vote to him, remember?
Yeah, but he's a player in the other game, so I didn't know if that was kosher and potential rule breaking makes me feel physically ill.
If there's genuinely a problem with the site itself, then MP needs to know.

I don't believe there is, and I applaud you guys for the bold attempt (especially you, A Person- that was bold as hell). But I'm not buying what you're selling.
I don't know if I believe that was all a ruse though. It wasn't even game specific so...why would they do that? Just to create chaos and confusion?

If she was a scum, maybe, but I don't think so. If you play more than 1 game, you are bound to get confused! I got confused and made a post I meant to make MSN and made it in Mafia one time. It can happen. And if the reason she is getting lynched is ONLY because she had a BLONDE moment (and speaking a fellow BLONDE, I know her pain!!) then we have a scum led lynch because no townies would lynch a person over something so trivial. Plus, I just don't any of her behavior as scummy. I really don't. I think there are far more scummy players out there that no one seems to be paying attention to which is never good.

I really wanted to wait and get some feedback from Mr but I guess that is not going to happen and I see the poll ends soon, so with that I will vote MR.

kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:you and MR had some kind of convo.
do not think so.
do blowhole remember that.
not day1.

Okay. Then why vote? If he had some info, I would hope he would have a little more dedication is ousting you. And if y'all had nothing in Day 1 (Day 0, perhaps?) then the only reason that would make sense is the early day crap is thrown out to.

I am more and more certain, I will vote for MR. I want to give him the chance to respond, but as of right now, I am most suspicious of him for:

1. The ready assumption Lou was going to find him suspicious for his K4J vote and was ready to defend it.
2. The Mongoose tie.
3. His absent-minded vote on Guru.

Maybe it is my judging the play-style too harshly, but with such little time to get things done, I don't see how players vote so lightly and it makes me suspicious when they do it and don't even give a marginally explainable reason.

kneel4justice wrote: no solfeggio did not gimlet Red Bishop saving not hulky nada nothing pitapat heads butting from kneel4justice and MR

I am going to go out on a limb and translate not hulky nada may be "nothing big, no", so y'all had some interaction but nothing big? I know Epig voted for you, but I could have sworn you and MR had some kind of convo.

Is it against the rules you to just post a nodding smiley??

kneel4justice wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Bye BWT

Dom wrote:I'm really confused as to what just happened.
Join the club~ I am super confused all the time

Mister Rearranger wrote:BwIT!

*votes K4J*
Why? This post got my eye, and i just read back and did not see much of a prior interest in K4J.
A: Was drunk

B: Got tired of early game carp.

C: Really wanted to use those smilies.
@summer

Hmmm... Well, that helps with nothing. I'm surprised more people haven't found this suspicious. Y'all knocked heads early in the game, too, right? If so, that must be where the early game crap came from I am assuming?

Summer wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:
Loulou26 wrote:I'm just gonna vote for MR. I don't feel confident enough to vote for Mongoose and the people bandwaggoning on that concern me. But MR's posts tonight didn't sit well with me.
I agree. If nothing changes, I will vote for him, too. I didn't like how ready with the defense he was over his vote for K4J. I haven't seen anything I find really suspicious about Mongoose, so I disagree with the votes on her and if I remember correctly, MR was in that little nest somewhere, too. I saw a conversation between you and Turnip Head that shed some light on that.
ohhai (kneel4justice) kinda suspects MR
I'm going to be straight up and say I don't know why he voted for you, I haven't found the reason he voted for, not even gonna pretend like I can make a logical analysis on why he voted for you because I don't know, haven't read it, but I did not like how he seemed to be expecting and ready for someone to find it suspicious. That felt like prime scum. Could he still be suspicious if he took the time to explain it to Lou why he was voting her? Well, yes, because maybe then it might look like he was trying to win her over, but he just assumed she was finding him suspicious. MAJOR RED FLAG. I also remember his interaction with Mongoose and what I read between Turnip Head and Lou about the part he played in that so that has me suspicious, too. But before I vote, I want to see his reaction to this.

EBWOP: ...why he was voting to her?

kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:
Loulou26 wrote:I'm just gonna vote for MR. I don't feel confident enough to vote for Mongoose and the people bandwaggoning on that concern me. But MR's posts tonight didn't sit well with me.
I agree. If nothing changes, I will vote for him, too. I didn't like how ready with the defense he was over his vote for K4J. I haven't seen anything I find really suspicious about Mongoose, so I disagree with the votes on her and if I remember correctly, MR was in that little nest somewhere, too. I saw a conversation between you and Turnip Head that shed some light on that.
ohhai (kneel4justice) kinda suspects MR

I'm going to be straight up and say I don't know why he voted for you, I haven't found the reason he voted for, not even gonna pretend like I can make a logical analysis on why he voted for you because I don't know, haven't read it, but I did not like how he seemed to be expecting and ready for someone to find it suspicious. That felt like prime scum. Could he still be suspicious if he took the time to explain it to Lou why he was voting her? Well, yes, because maybe then it might look like he was trying to win her over, but he just assumed she was finding him suspicious. MAJOR RED FLAG. I also remember his interaction with Mongoose and what I read between Turnip Head and Lou about the part he played in that so that has me suspicious, too. But before I vote, I want to see his reaction to this.

Loulou26 wrote:I'm just gonna vote for MR. I don't feel confident enough to vote for Mongoose and the people bandwaggoning on that concern me. But MR's posts tonight didn't sit well with me.

I agree. If nothing changes, I will vote for him, too. I didn't like how ready with the defense he was over his vote for K4J. I haven't seen anything I find really suspicious about Mongoose, so I disagree with the votes on her and if I remember correctly, MR was in that little nest somewhere, too. I saw a conversation between you and Turnip Head that shed some light on that.

kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:I don't know if you find those posts suspicious
yes. yep. yeah. i do. LaezyDaezy i (kneel4justice) infatuated you(summer/hughie87) are taking advantage Valentine cupshaped of me (kneel4justice).
Okay. I was actually trying to figure out how much we could understand from your posts so we could still try and discuss things with you because I know how much this probably annoys you. By asking those questions, I was hoping to get other people's input on what was actually going on with you. I saw the color words and also thought maybe you were posting in code which is why I brought that up so we could have something coherent from you. If you want to find me suspicious for trying to understand your posts, fine, be my guest.

I don't see how you could make the statement that I am taking advantage of this. Am I finding you suspicious? Am I voting for you? Am I trying to get others to vote for you? Am I saying people need to ignore your posts? If I am not doing any of that, how can I be taking advantage of this situation? Unless you are you trying to make it look like I did this to you. Trust me, I had nothing to do with this. I didn't even understand what was going on with your posts.

I am also very flattered that you are infatuated with me, but it's never gonna happen, okay??
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do they usually still keep posting?

an't believe he actually went through with it. Or all of it. I would think he would leave some things legible.
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I... Yeah...

I made out the last post I responded to but I can't make out any of this. Except negative and buggers. Both of which I know are not good. And I know you are quoting those for a reason but I still don't get why they are that suspicious, sorry.

I also stand by what I said! I know you! Excuse me if I find you actually posting this way ALL the time without TRYING to slip some stuff in there a little unbelievable. :P

Ooooh, now the 'do they usually keep posting' okay! Okay!! I get why you find that suspicious!! All right! We are getting somewhere!

Yes, I can see why you would find that suspicious. I didn't mean that I thought YOU should stop posting, I asking about other players who had been insanified if they kept posting or if they gave up OR if they posted enough, did the insanity go away. It really was a post seeking information, hoping the other players would fill me in. I should have worded it differently or more precisely. So, there we go.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Loulou26 wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:BwIT!

*votes K4J*

Why him?
K, so you should probably read the rest before asking these questions.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Ebwop: Or eyeing me, for that matter.[/quote

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Mister Rearranger wrote:Ebwop: Or eyeing me, for that matter.

I'm probably going to get the same response, but why do you automatically assume she will be eying your vote for K4J? All she did was ask a simple question that would have a simple answer. You seem pretty quick to be defensive about the vote which leads me to believe that your vote may not be a civ voting for a baddie, but a baddie voting for a civ.

kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:I don't know if you find those posts suspicious
yes. yep. yeah. i do. LaezyDaezy i (kneel4justice) infatuated you(summer/hughie87) are taking advantage Valentine cupshaped of me (kneel4justice).

Okay. I was actually trying to figure out how much we could understand from your posts so we could still try and discuss things with you because I know how much this probably annoys you. By asking those questions, I was hoping to get other people's input on what was actually going on with you. I saw the color words and also thought maybe you were posting in code which is why I brought that up so we could have something coherent from you. If you want to find me suspicious for trying to understand your posts, fine, be my guest.

I don't see how you could make the statement that I am taking advantage of this. Am I finding you suspicious? Am I voting for you? Am I trying to get others to vote for you? Am I saying people need to ignore your posts? If I am not doing any of that, how can I be taking advantage of this situation? Unless you are you trying to make it look like I did this to you. Trust me, I had nothing to do with this. I didn't even understand what was going on with your posts.

I am also very flattered that you are infatuated with me, but it's never gonna happen, okay??

FZ. wrote:I looked at the roles, and I was under the impression that the civ that could do that to K4J could only do it on night 3. Deflect on night 1, silence on night 2, and make someone crazy on night 3. And then all over again. Is that not what the role implies?
If it does, than that would imply it was a baddie who did this, and then, either K4J was very intuitive in his suspicions, and the baddies wanted to shut him up, but it just makes people trust him more, so why? Or K4J is a baddie and his team decided to do it to make him look like a civ. Or, it's one of the Ksiters that thought it would be funny to shut him up. Another option I see is someone wanting to frame one of the Ksiters.....or none of the above.

I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with two games, and no break like we're used to at nights. This is a major overload.

I'm not going to be here for the next 30+ hours, so I'm going to vote now. I'm going with Sorsha, because her game is pure fluff and OT, and I've seen absolutely nothing from her so far. Sorry I'm not coming up with anything more than that, but I can't keep up.

Why do you think doing this to Guru would frame one of the Ksiters? I don't follow that train of thought.

kneel4justice wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote: What is the point of them even posting?? Do people who have been insanified, do they usually still keep posting?

Summer wrote: So the site is not doing this for him? HE has to do it? Wow... I can't believe he actually went through with it. Or all of it. I would think he would leave some things legible. Or maybe some kind of code knowing Guru.

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No offense, Guru, but I can't respond to any of that because I have no idea what you are saying. I see you voted for me so I guess something I did set you off but I guess there is no way to have a discussion about it.

I don't know if you find those posts suspicious or what so I guess it is what it is.

Going to start a MAMMOTH catch up now. Hello, everyone!

S~V~S wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
DFaraday wrote: “Rowdy” Roddy Piper – Piper is a crazed Scotsman who innovated the wrestling talk show with Piper’s Pit. He will invite a guest onto his show each night and insanify them by screaming incoherently at them.
@SVS
Oh crap, I missed that one. So you could be insanified by a civ or a baddie? Did they tell you who did it? So there is no saying why this happened. It's unusual for a game to have both a civ & baddie insanifier who insanify the same way.

You think that a civ and a baddie would have the same role?

The thing that you posted in blue sounded kinda like a role that had a different power each night, with the different faces, so maybe its a civ with a one time insanifer.

Mongoose wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Mongoose wrote:This happens to me often if I type my post in Quick Reply. I will press submit and nothing happens. It doesn't happen when I use Full Editor mode to make a post.

It happens on various browsers and on various computers, so I've just trained myself to always use Full Editor mode lest I lose another important post.

linki - Whoa! Someone got insanified/cursed. I particularly love the word "saltpeter" in the bottom of his post.
It happens in the full editor as well
So that what it means to be insanified. I was wondering what things like that meant. Is the person who causes it good or bad? I forgot the roles. Also, how does it work? He doesn't know this will happen? He posts regularly and it goes nuts when it comes out? Can we make anything from those posts?
Someone that is cursed or insanified is done so by another player's power. I think the power-wielder could be civ or baddie. The receipient of the curse/insanification can be any alignment. When you are insanified or cursed, you have to put your posts through a website to make them all jibberishy.

People have faked insanification. Sometimes players are legit insanified but the other players think they are faking and lynch them anyway (this happened to me in American Gods). The person will know they are insanified and they can tell us what their posts were supposed to mean after they are no longer insanified/cursed.

What is the point of them even posting?? Do people who have been insanified, do they usually still keep posting?

Turnip Head wrote:
FZ. wrote:So that what it means to be insanified. I was wondering what things like that meant. Is the person who causes it good or bad? I forgot the roles. Also, how does it work? He doesn't know this will happen? He posts regularly and it goes nuts when it comes out? Can we make anything from those posts?
You can look at the roles on the first page, in the very first post of the game I believe, in case you weren't aware of that.

Generally, when you're insanified you're supposed to feed your post into a word-scramblery website. In this case, it looks like it's still the one that Long Con made back in the good ol' days. (I remember that guy, Jason Maher! And I usually come out with my TokyoRose blazing as well.)

FZ. wrote:I wonder who did it. There is Epig who butted heads with him before, and then, there's MR who said he was glad he was in the game.
I'm falling asleep, so I"m going to bed.
It's weird that you're speculating about this before you know whether the role who did it is a civ role or a baddie role.

So the site is not doing this for him? HE has to do it? Wow... I can't believe he actually went through with it. Or all of it. I would think he would leave some things legible. Or maybe some kind of code knowing Guru.

EBWOP

Guru... Have you been drinking and playing Mafia again???? You know that never ends well!!!

(Btw, whoever did this to him... You probably just jumped to the top of his sh*t list!!

)

On a serious note, I saw people talking about being cursed or whatever? Are his posts even going to be readable??[/quote]

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Dom wrote:I'm really confused as to what just happened.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I believe Mongoose, for one, and agree that the conversation regarding it needs to be put to rest. And for the record, I've gotten nothing but civvie vibes from her this game, so I am putting faith in that and certainly NOT considering a vote for her.

MR, I'm getting some pretty good vibes from you in this game, but I have to say I'm puzzled by your vote. Is it just a vibes thing? I honestly can't tell from K4J one way or the other, though I do suppose I was intrigued by how quickly he seemed to come out of the gates, then sort of backed off of me, then hasn't been around much since. I look forward to his thoughts too whenever he comes back around!

Lizzy's drive-by vote is pingworthy. One has to seriously consider whether it's a baddie without much time on her hands or just a civvie without much time on her hands. Thoughts?

As to BWT... good question. I did notice he was seeming pretty helpful during the night period; maybe the baddies just saw him as a threat? I'll go back and re-read his posts to see if he really talked about anyone... I can't remember if he actually asserted anything strongly re: suspicions or not.
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Guru... Have you been drinking and playing Mafia again???? You know that never ends well!!!

(Btw, whoever did this to you... You probably just jumped to the top of his sh*t list!!

)

On a serious note, I saw people talking about being cursed or whatever? Are his posts even going to be readable??

Oh!! I did want to ask. Do y'all not reveal roles when someone dies? So no one knows who or what BWT was?

And sorry to see you go, BWT.

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

When you say if Mongoose is bad, there are leads to her teammates, do you mean people who have suspected her, trying to distance themselves, or people who have been defending her? Because I think it would still be safe this early to defend a scum – bud at this point. Normally, it's cut and run, but I've seen scum stick by each other to the bitter end.

Catching up, but slowly. Hate to break it to y'all, but y'all talk just as much IF NOT MORE than we do on our site!! (Who was it who accused of us of talking too much?!!

) I can barely keep up!!

Turnip Head wrote:I'm looking in Summer's direction for my vote now, mainly because of this post:

Summer wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:No thoughts at all yet, Summer or FZ, on whom you will vote for?
I know FZ has, but I really have no clue. I have no strong suspicions, just little inklings that if I had a Ksite full day, I would investigate into more. I am trying to read the thread quickly before I leave work, but so far, nothing has screamed BADDIE and I don't like just voting for someone without a strong reason.

The only ones I would consider right now are people who haven't posted. If there are none of those, I will look at who I have been getting weird vibes off the most and go for them. I'm waaaaaaaaay too methodical and over-analytical for such a short day!
Summer says she's too methodical and over-analytical during this 48 hour period, but all that that method and analysis has led her to is a vote for a no-show. It's day 1, so I don't feel that voting for a non-participant will lead to anything at all. And if said no-show is lynched, be they civvie or baddie, it won't even give us anything to go on in the future because there's no actual suspicion and thus there won't be anything for us to analyze on Day 2. It seems like too easy of a decision for someone who prides themselves on analysis. Fishy.

Actually, what I said was because of my style I am uncomfortable with voting for anyone BUT a non-poster because I don't like just voting for people willy-nilly. With a non-poster they have given nothing; its contradictory but I feel sometimes they are the safest choices because at least Epig and Mongoose are giving us things.

Also, this:
Summer wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:Mongoose, I don't believe you ever answered my question on the previous page.

Why do you feel Epi voted for you?
Sorry, I totally missed that.

I am not sure, but they are motivated reasons. He can read me pretty good as civ when hardly anyone else did (Exhibit A: The Island over on RM), so I'm pretty sure he knows I'm not bad.
If you are pretty sure he knows you're not a baddie, then do you think he is pushing for your lynch as a baddie himself? I've seen your thoughts on the whole hulabaloo this has made of the thread, but I don't think I've seen your thoughts on Epig and his motives for voting for you. Do you have any thoughts on that? You said he has motivated reasons, which I haven't gotten to those yet, but if as you say, you think he knows you're not bad, why haven't you voted for him yet? Do you feel he is simply misguided?
Seems to be baiting Mongoose into making a No U against Epi. Asking her why she isn't suspicious of Epi because of his vote. Making leaps in logic for Mongoose hoping she will pick up on it. Summer could just be asking what she thinks are pertinent questions, but to me it looks like manipulation and trying to add more fuel to Mongoose vs Epi even though I think most of us agree that there isn't much to this on either side of the coin.

I wasn't the only one who asked this. I was one of three. Curious how you either are ignoring that or missed it. Also, I commended Mongoose on NOT doing this. Funny how you missed that, as well. I am going to chalk this up to you not reading fully and focusing on posts that made you suspicious. I am also one of the ones who AGREES that there isn't much to the Epig/Mongoose argument. I am also going to honest that I really dislike when people choose to focus on certain things instead of the entire line of thinking. Because if you had, you would have followed my thought process.

To me, this looks like you are attempting to fit my posts into a suspicion you want, so cutting and pasting my thoughts as you want. Because as I pointed out, you've overlooked a few things about my posts this day. Along with the fact that I voted, too, and it was NOT for a non-poster.

FZ. wrote:
Summer wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I'm unsure about Epi; he is a tricksy sort. I'm not going to build a case on him yet just because I'm under the gun.
This seems civ to me. It would be very easy to build a case for him, especially with all the support you seem to have garnered in the thread now and yet, you hold off. I like that.
Actually, if anything, that seems like something a baddie would say. When someone goes after you when you're a baddie, you're sometimes afraid to go back after them because people will say it's a NO U (basically, it's going after the person who goes after you, I guess for no good reasons), or you're afraid that if it's between you and him, people will eventually learn that it was you and not him. So you make it look like you think he's a misguided townie or you don't understand why he's going after you and look more like a townie for not pushing for him. Let the others do the hard work.

I'm kind of torn here between Epig and Mongoose.

You have a point and we see this on Ksite a lot, I just guess with the short days they have, I would think this option would be the one LESS chosen by scum who were afraid of being lynched. If she did this on Ksite, I might be calling her a baddie, too, but here, I don't know, it seems almost counter-productive NOT to go after him when there are obviously people willing to vote for him.

The pink italicized bolded (trying anything to make it show up more, lol), though, is a reeeeeeeally good point. I'm just not sure how I feel about voting for either of them, though. Because while it looked like Epig was attacking her later on, I have changed my mind. It really feels like two townies going at it. I am more concerned with the people who came in after. Like the player Dom. Their response to the whole thing just seemed too much like a convenient suspicion to latch onto. So, right now, I feel the most comfortable voting for them. I don't like it, because I haven't seen a lot of them and therefore, feel its unfair to vote for them, but I feel this was getting pushed into the forefront and it didn't feel like Epig and Mongoose doing the pushing.

And with that, I am off.

FZ. wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Whoops wrong game.

What I meant to say is:

If I went after Epi with nothing other than "Oh hey I don't like it when you suspect me", even if they are ridic, that's not much better than a big fat NO U argument, and I can do better than that.

Honestly, I don't like the NO U policy you have here. If you think someone is supposed to know you're a civ, (though I always think people who know me should know I'm a civvie yet time and time again, they surprise me), why not say that the fact he's voting for you doesn't sit well with you? Because people will say it's a big fat NO U? Sounds silly to me.

(There is FZ!!)

She did say it doesn't sit well with her, but she's not trying to sway people towards him which would be easy to do right now and probably expected.

What is a NO U?

Mongoose wrote:I'm unsure about Epi; he is a tricksy sort. I'm not going to build a case on him yet just because I'm under the gun.

This seems civ to me. It would be very easy to build a case for him, especially with all the support you seem to have garnered in the thread now and yet, you hold off. I like that.

I'm getting the feeling that this whole Epig/Mongoose was blown way out of proportion. I actually didn't get any weird vibes off Epig for his response to Mongoose, nor am I getting anything weird off Mongoose.

Who else made comments about voting for Mongoose based off her interaction with Epig? Because I'm guessing there is a baddie in there trying to take advantage of a situation.

Mongoose wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:Mongoose, I don't believe you ever answered my question on the previous page.

Why do you feel Epi voted for you?
Sorry, I totally missed that.

I am not sure, but they are motivated reasons. He can read me pretty good as civ when hardly anyone else did (Exhibit A: The Island over on RM), so I'm pretty sure he knows I'm not bad.

If you are pretty sure he knows you're not a baddie, then do you think he is pushing for your lynch as a baddie himself? I've seen your thoughts on the whole hulabaloo this has made of the thread, but I don't think I've seen your thoughts on Epig and his motives for voting for you. Do you have any thoughts on that? You said he has motivated reasons, which I haven't gotten to those yet, but if as you say, you think he knows you're not bad, why haven't you voted for him yet? Do you feel he is simply misguided?

Ah, on Vompatti. Just a loose cannon. I'll be on the look-out then!

I will say, I haven't yet seen what caused all the Mongoose drama, but I didn't bad vibes off her, so I would consider voting for someone who is on her trail because they may fall into an easy suspicion ring surrounding her. Epig could genuinely think she is scummy, but there may be some others who fell in line after him that are blowing it up to possibly, as she said, get a strong civ out early. I don't trust suspicions that seem to spring up out of nowhere and being at the helm of quite a few over on Ksite, I can say they never tend to end well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:No thoughts at all yet, Summer or FZ, on whom you will vote for?

I know FZ has, but I really have no clue. I have no strong suspicions, just little inklings that if I had a Ksite full day, I would investigate into more. I am trying to read the thread quickly before I leave work, but so far, nothing has screamed BADDIE and I don't like just voting for someone without a strong reason.

The only ones I would consider right now are people who haven't posted. If there are none of those, I will look at who I have been getting weird vibes off the most and go for them. I'm waaaaaaaaay too methodical and over-analytical for such a short day!

Also, can anyone shed any light what the player Vompatti voted for themselves?

Well, judging by that logic, I can see why Mongoose had a freak out over having 1 vote if it comes down to that type of decision. I am very intrigued now to see just why Epig voted for her.

Mongoose wrote:
Summer wrote: Do y'all HAVE to lynch?
Partially it depends on DF's stance on ties. If each person had one vote, would he a) flip a coin or b) a tie = no lynch (like when Epi himself hosts). A lot of hosts will punish non-voters (especially if it happens more than once), so I'd make sure you get those in by deadline (even if you feel a bit squirrelly about your selection).

Hmmm... Okay.

Can we change? Because I would only feel comfy voting for a non-poster (if there are any) and then something drastic happens, I could switch.

(I am really sorry I am so full of questions!! I am going to read the rules and regulations but I just haven't had time! Its either read THIS or the rules/regulations when I find the free time, so y'all re the lucky ones!!

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Mongoose wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Summer wrote:Since I have never played with Mongoose before, does she normally react this way to one vote or are her and Epignosis just teasing each other with the back and forth?

Mongoose, are you really upset by the one vote or are you just being dramatic? (Dramatic in a good, funny way, of course. )
Nah, I'm not upset, but I feel like his vote might sway others since there's really not a lot going on today. I'm a bit hyperbolic though, yeah.

No, we're all cool here.
I also feel like I've been pooped out of a wallabee today too, so that's probably infused into my posts.

Ah. Okay. Honestly, I don't see why his vote would sway others. I don't see him trying to build a case and in my opinion, I don't think you are all that suspicious. So, I don't think you have anything to worry about. But I have been wrong before.

Is there a reason he chose YOU? I guess it would help if I went back and checked out what has happened in my absence.

Do y'all HAVE to lynch? Because, I don't feel like I have enough to vote for ANYONE at this moment in time. Yes, there are certain things that have caught my eye, but not enough that I feel there is a good chance they are scum. I'm not a fan of closing my eyes and pulling the trigger.

So, we have a Wallabee and a Moose? I'll pick a Longhorn.

Since I have never played with Mongoose before, does she normally react this way to one vote or are her and Epignosis just teasing each other with the back and forth?

Mongoose, are you really upset by the one vote or are you just being dramatic? (Dramatic in a good, funny way, of course.

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What does "Linki" mean? I've seen if in a few posts from SVS and then MP said something about the dreaded linkitis?

Bullzeye wrote:
Summer wrote: Ahhh, this is new. Thank you! So, its given out randomly, but to each of the factions. That is interesting. Just wondering because it is something that is unknown, do people say they have info on the poll and try to push others to a certain choice? How would that work?

And wow... Good luck on the lectures. Hopefully they are not to boring for you. Are you giving the lectures or listening to them?

I'm going to respond to some things that were directed toward mt posting spree last night and then resume catch up.
Generally people don't/can't admit to info but do try to push their option and it has lead to many a baddie's downfall when the results come out. There was a pretty interesting game not long ago where we were allowed to admit to having info after the fact and the outcome of that was really... unique.

I was listening to the lectures and yes, the first half of my day was incredibly boring. But like I said, I'm done for the semester now so no more until January!

I don't really have any suspicions as of now. I am finding the interactions between Ksiters interesting though in terms of how much more comfortable they seem dealing with each other compared to the 20+ people they hadn't yet played with. Will be useful to see how their opinions of each other develop through the game since for most of us they're a whole new (and cool-seeming) group of people.

Aww, thanks.

Y'all seem cool, too.

I think its a way of getting our feet wet. Although, FZ is already playing a game so maybe just the other 4 (including myself) are sticking to those we know. You know, there seems to be some kind of stigma about calling someone you've just met dirty rotten scum. Not all people are comfortable with it!

I've seem some of the interactions between the K-Siters and the Syndicators; it does look like we are sticking to our own but I think y'all are being really nice and letting us settle in it seems. Don't be afraid to come at us, we can take it! And speaking of interactions, I know I've voiced some concerns on FZ but it looks like K4J might of, as well, and that is always interesting when these two knock heads. On our site they are both pretty vocal players and usually see eye to eye so when they don't, usually doesn't bode well for one of them.

(And before you get your dander up, I didn't say it was all you, FZ.

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Mister Rearranger wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Summer wrote:
FZ. wrote:When does the day end?
It says the poll ends tomorrow. So, tomorrow?
No, it says Wednesday the 18th. I thought it was too much
Midnight is the start of the new day's clock here. So it makes sense for it to end tomorrow night at 12:something AM, aka: Wednesday morning at 12:somethng AM.

Thank you!

FZ. wrote:
Summer wrote:
FZ. wrote:When does the day end?
It says the poll ends tomorrow. So, tomorrow?
No, it says Wednesday the 18th. I thought it was too much

Ah, okay. So we more time.

Cool deal.

But does that mean the poll or the Day? Do the Day and poll generally close together?

FZ. wrote:When does the day end?

It says the poll ends tomorrow. So, tomorrow?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, I'm at lunch break, just finished catching up and will share some thoughts here... I knew the KSiters would have no problem keeping up and contributing, lol.

And let's hope you don't come to resent that, lol.

kneel4justice wrote:
Summer wrote:Hmmm, this is interesting.

I never considered myself an aggressive Mafia player. Guru (K4J) and I would get into squabbles about how serious he took the game and the unnecessary need for it but now, as I was scrolling through, I find myself thinking what he must be thinking on Day 1 when we play. Why is no one scum-hunting? I don't mean to sound snotty by any means, but really, this seems rather pointless. What is the the point of Day 0? To let things develop? I am going to sound like such a hypocrite (because in our games I am always the one holding back and judging the actions, now I know it was because I was watching the other people shake things up) and Guru will likely call me out on it, but how are things going to develop if nothing happens? People have got to get in there and do things for things to develop. This is going to take some getting used to.

I do have to say (surprise, surprise) I am a little leery of FZ. I am fixing to reference a Ksite game (sorry, guys, I do that. I will try to explain as best I can) but one time when FZ was scum (or a baddie, as y'all call them, right?) she made a big hulabaloo about one of the players posting differently and saying how their style has changed. She used this as opportunity to make this player seem suspicious, as if they were hiding something about why they might be playing differently. The player wasn't scum, in fact, FZ was. So now, with FZ saying she is trying to match y'alls playing style, that just seems shady to me.

Why, FZ? Why match them? I can't help but wonder if you are trying to fade in with them so maybe Lou, Guru, Jenny and I (if we are all townies, possibly) won't pick up on your scum play that we know pretty well? I was coming in trying not to suspect you because I always do, but the last time I did that, it bit me in the butt. Nope, just giving in to my suspicion and if I am wrong, I am wrong. But I am going to point out things I feel are weird for you. (And not just you. )

And break time is over for tonight. Gotta get back to my Christmas gifts. Looks like I am going to have to catch up later tonight or tomorrow. I will admit, it looks like we (at least me, which I never expected!!) may be a little more aggressive than y'all, but I don't know of any other way to play!! I really am a nice person, I promise.
I actually don't find you suspicious because of this. I'm indifferent to what it says about your alignment, but I do agree with it!
And I was wondering the same about FZ but I also understand wanting to reinvent yourself on a new site so no on knows how you are and it's like a complete rookie game. I just don't know if she's doing this for genuine intentions or scummy ones.[/b]
How is it pointless? Though I guess on the flipside of that coin, I thought Day 1 over on KSite was pointless with people pointing fingers at each other and making incredibly declarative statements constantly when I believed there to be little actual basis for making those declarations -- seemed like a bunch of overanalytical, overly paranoid suspicions, and it was really overwhelming. Hard to keep track of.

It was very intriguing and enjoyable, nonetheless, and I love your guys's playstyle, don't get me wrong. I just was (am) not used to it and I feel discussing suspicions is very good, but it actually is possible to go overboard.

Well, now that I have gone back and actually READ instead of scanned, I have found some things that I missed, so I detract that pointless statement. I think that is one of the reasons I enjoy Day 1 is because its the one and only time ALL of us are together and we just GO. I love seeing all the different theories and analysis that comes out of Day 1. I also like to see what people feel they can pull and get away with. I actually never think it is too early to start making observations. I used to be different; before when we would usually end the Day with a No Lynch but when we started lynching at the end of Day 1, I knew my own game play needed to change.

And oh yeah... It can go WAY overboard. In my experience, normally a baddie is involved in those types of tussles.

Summer wrote:Day 0 ends in a little bit?! Holy crap!

Uh... Okay... Do you have to vote in the poll? Is that a lynching poll or a destination?

I'm going to be honest... I haven't had a chance to read all the rules and regulations. I was hoping to use the time that the game I am Modding on Ksite is in Day phase to do things here, but I wasn't counting on things starting so quickly!!

And I can now see why y'all let things develop here. With such short day phases, things move quickly. On KSite, our Day phases are 5 days in RL so you have to keep the thread moving if you hope of getting anything accomplished before deadline.
Day 0 polls are not lynch polls, 99% of the time.

Don't worry, you have time.

And as to your last paragraph, precisely.

I still feel like I need to get things done, though. I feel rushed to get my thoughts in order.

Summer wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:For the record, K4J, I agree with you regarding Sorsha's post; it seemed unnecessary to me, as if she's trying too hard. BUT I have heard of games where those types of statements were "checkable", so maybe it's possible. Seems rarer to me though and kind of pointless, but I suppose her post could be completely legit. I don't THINK I've ever played one where statements that blatant were checkable by a lie detector role though.

Consequently, I'm not sure her post really means anything at all. I don't think it really tells me anything, especially this early in the game. But, out of curiosity, do others agree here with my assessment and was anyone else wildly pinged by that statement?
I'm not sure how I feel about your response.

You seemed a little too eager to jump on Guru's ship in terms of his thinking with Sorsha's. Almost feels like you are trying to push suspicion her way.

But, I have also seen where people are catching up and have thoughts themselves that they echo others, so that is not outside the realm. My only problem is that you have been posting more than Guru so you could have very well commented on this yourself, but you didn't until someone else did. (Proofreading, I see you have explained yourself and I will be starting my reading there tomorrow. )

There could be a number of reasons for this; you are a civ who is agreeing with someone, a scum trying to make her look bad or you and her a scum-buds and you are trying to distance. I am not sure which right now, but this did put you on my radar, MP.

And to answer your question, I was more "pinged" (that is an awesome description of how it happens, lol!!) by yours than hers.
You either are misunderstanding me or purposefully discrediting me.

I clearly said I believe Sorsha is not suspicious and hence I didn't say that I thought her comment was odd. Again, odd does not equal suspicious.

Therefore, how can I possibly be jumping on anything? I wouldn't vote for her at this point more than I would anyone else.

I did see the conversation you had later, I just was not able to read it thoroughly last night so I have suspended judgement on this until I can see the debacle in its entirety. When I do, I will come back to this.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Ok. ksiters, slow down a bit on your MP suspicions and give him a chance to show his play style. He gets lynched A LOT as a civ because of his aggressive mannerisms and I'd hate to lose a potentially valuable civ this early because new people aren't used to him. If you find my defense of him suspicious, go ahead vote for me and see where that gets you

But as I said before, if nothing else catches my then I'm going to vote MP just to piss him off. I see I've already caught his GF's attention

I actually don't find him aggressive. In fact, his posting style and logic are a lot of what I am used to on Ksite. So, its not his play style that makes him suspicious, at least that is not what made him flash for me.

On Ksite, in the game there, he makes these long posts and I am so excited when I see them! Makes me want to play so I can dissect the posts!!

Anyway, this post did catch my eye. Not sure if you were trying to accomplish something or just coming to the defense of a buddy.

Time will tell, I guess.

Mongoose wrote:
Summer wrote:
What I find interesting is Alison's statement about seeing who voted. Would it matter who voted or not? That is also a question to you, Alison. If you had looked, what would you have been looking for? The choice who had the most votes or players who you trusted and wanted to follow? It is actually a very odd statement. Maybe it is normal here, I don't know, and I really can't talk because I voted along with my K-Siters only because I liked the sound of Parts Unknown and because as clique-y as it sounds, that is what they went with. I would just like to know your reasoning, please.
Hello glorious Summer of the sun.

I never matters to me who has voted or not because Alison does what Alison wants to do, etc., but I was just letting the record reflect that I was choosing the Towers due to my own reasons. I don't know much about those options, but they all just felt icky. Towers evoke fortification, strength and defense, so I was drawn to that. Anyway, I didn't think to look who voted what before I voted, so I wrote that in case a billion other people had voted my option or not (or vice versa). (Hyperbole Monday!)

Oh, I like the Glorious Summer part.

Now, onto serious matters.

I'm glad Alison does want Alison wants.

And thank you for explaining, you choice and why you made the point on commenting about looking who voted. It just struck me as a little funny comment to make when voting, so I was going to dig a little deeper. You put much more thought into your poll choice than I did, lol.

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