The Syndicate

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys, just got back from my trip (Mongoose says hi) and I will try to catch up tomorrow. Tired now.

One thing I iwll say now is that I do not like the way the Dom lynch went down, and I will be looking into several people because of it. Good night!

Hi Goosey!

Long Con wrote:Ok, here is Long Con's Grand Unified Theory Of How Fighting Works. From what I've read, a lot of people know some things about fighting, so I thought over what I know about it, and here's my theory. There are several elements that seem to affect fights. I hope I'm allowed to talk about them all, but from what I have seen, the 'possibly secret' parts have already been pretty well discussed.

1. Fighting Level - we all (I assume) started with a fighting level. I further assume that most of us started at level 1, and that winning increases your level. People who have won can confirm or deny that, if they're allowed. I also assume that a higher fighting level means you're a better fighter. A level 1 fighter CAN beat a level 2 fighter, I had that host confirmed.

2. Individual Challenge - fighters each get to have a personal challenge against their opponent, which, when judged to win by an independent party, assists them in their fight.

3. The Unknown Factor - some base decision-making thing that is somewhat random, or, even better, players earn without knowing it. I already gave my opinion of what I thought would make sense: the amount a person posts during their fight.

4. Ummm.. I was thinking it over in the car, and I thought I had four factors, but I can't remember what the other factor might have been. Maybe there was only three.

So, it's something like this: (# of posts during the fight + winner of fight-challenge gets ten points) x fighting level = your fight outcome. The player with the higher outcome wins the fight. The greater the difference between the outcomes, the greater the injury to the loser. Too great a difference, and they die.

And that's my theory.

I like this theory and motion that we accept it as standard canon. I will say that, based on my experience, it's weird to me that people are denying knowing at all why they won. It certainly wasn't all spelled out for me, but very bug hints were given. So I'e got my eye on Sorsha now.

That's a good point about Sorsha. I had forgotten how she reacted to this idea originally. Might be another good place for me to look.

S~V~S wrote: Also, @ Sorsha, look at the PM you got right after the "Who's Going to Fight" poll in which you were chosen ended. That PM told me how my fight would be decided. Not after, BEFORE. Maybe you missed it? My fight was a Level 1 vs Level 1 (I fought INH, maybe cops start at a higher level? Cause I thought I kicked his nameless ass )

Bullzeye wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I can't find the answer but I'm wondering if the policemen and or Tyler & his recruits have some sort of a say in who wins/loses the fight. Like maybe there is a btsc vote? I know from fighting that there is/was something that each fighter could do to help their own chances but I don't think that is the only deciding factor. MP has said that it isn't random.

I doubt that any player gets a say, they'd be too biased and it wouldn't be fair. Tyler is always gonna pick a recruit to win (if one fights) and the police would always pick one of their own (again, if one was in a fight, otherwise they'd probably just pick the one they trusted most which isn't exactly foolproof).

S~V~S wrote:The only way I could see it working for Mayhem without BTS would be if maybe Tyler knew who they were, and could send directions or something like in the movie. You never know who might have been in Project Mayhem in the movie, it could be the guy sitting next to you on the train. Only Tyler know who everyone was.

So this could be a plausible scenario~ but the whole point of Mafia is the uninformed majority against the informed minority. So based on similarity to the movie, it is possible, but only if Tyler can direct the recruits in some way.

If the baddies don't have btsc though I don't see how they're supposed to work together or even know who each other are... Unless Tyler has a way of contacting everyone and informing them of who is cool and what the plan is. Recruits in this scenario don't really get to have a say in their team's direction. Also if they don't have btsc then I don't want to get recruited now.

Sorsha wrote: From what I remember someone just asked "how are fights determined? is it random?" and MP answered that its not random. I'll have to go and find the situation and see.

I do not know why I won my fight. As far as the "being active" bullz and I were both pretty active in the thread before/during our fight. Its not like either of us was a no show/on poster and we were both volunteering.

Are you sure you don't know? I'd been working on the assumption that I knew exactly why you beat me.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Sorsha wrote: From what I remember someone just asked "how are fights determined? is it random?" and MP answered that its not random. I'll have to go and find the situation and see.

I do not know why I won my fight. As far as the "being active" bullz and I were both pretty active in the thread before/during our fight. Its not like either of us was a no show/on poster and we were both volunteering.

Was the bolded directed at me? Because the post of mine you quoted didn't mention anything about "being active". Or was that for juliets's thing about possibly missing a PM?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Oh you mean like he was talking about your fight specifically not being random?

Or whatever fight was being referenced when he was asked. To be clear you are not certain why you won your fight? Do you have reason to think you should have lost?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Basically, I had a theory. And now I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not. So I'm looking to see if others feel there might be a point to it or not.

And like I said, at some point today, I am going to do a re-read on unfurl to see if I can get anything else out of it. If I don't find anything else, I'll probably drop my theory. Because it's already fairly flimsy as it is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:As to whether Tyler and his recruits share BTSC, I've been avoiding giving clarification.

Canucklehead wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

And yes, I'd like to see what would happen if the two players who have killed people would do to one another if they fought. Hopefully we would learn something because this game is going to shit quick for the townies.

.....orrrrrrr you want to see us fight because you're scared of the strength we've gained? Worried that you or your boss won't be able to beat us if/when he has to fight one of us? Trying to turn civvies against the two people who are probably their most capable protectors in the event of a Tyler fight?

......orrrrrrrr I think one, if not both of you, us bad.

I think Tyler would be smart to have chosen either of you as a recruit.

Welp, since I have only just recently proved my machismo and prowess (though I knew I had it in my soul deep down all along ), I'm guessing you think unfurl is the baddie here? I can only assume that's what your implying, since if you're suggesting that Tyler is recruiting strong fighters than Tyler would surely not have recruited me when the only thing I'd done all game was to LOSE a fight to the Great Spaghetti Monster or some such equally non-pugilisitcally-named character. Whether he tries to recruit me now that I've won and proven myself to be a badass motherfucker, I obviously have no control over. But your suspicion of me by the logic presented above (if that is what you are implying) is not so convincing.

Fwiw, I absolutely do not think unfurl is a baddie, and while I am totally willing to fight again, I do not think having me (an unrecruited civ) fight her (who I believe is also an unrecruited civ) and possibly kill one of us (thus losing our AWESOME STRENGTH AND MAJESTY from the civ team) is really a good idea.

I'll fight you, though, if you want.

unfurl wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Sorry I missed your reply there and I missed the vote because I was sleeping.

It doesn't really make sense to me that you would only think the Tyler/recruit theory applies to DH/Aces but not the rest of the players in that location. If you think DH wanted aces to come along because he (DH) was traveling with Tyler and wanted to recruit aces in the next round... Wouldn't it make sense for you to suspect those who were with DH? It seems like you are just picking bits and pieces to fit who you want to be bad.

And yes, I'd like to see what would happen if the two players who have killed people would do to one another if they fought. Hopefully we would learn something because this game is going to shit quick for the townies.

I have not say that underline part, if you go back in read me, I think DH was recruited D1 - D2 , those people are also among the people that are candidates imo, and I also thought there is something in D3 and D4, Im not ruling anyone
You either missunderstood me, or I have not explain myself

But chicago hit me more, as I still think this part that I explain to black rock is likely possible
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 251#p75251

And Im not trying to pick bits as you saying,
Im trying to figure out who is Tyler, cause thats the main goal in this game, I have tried to explain it every time someone asks about it
And Im also know I can be wrong cause again is a theory, But I also know sometimes I can hit the nail on the head

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I doubt that you will learn anything by me fighting, if I die then you see that Im civvie vanilla, and one less player that is actually looking to find tyler
dont know what is canuck, but atleast I do not think she is Tyler, as she replaced FH who did not showed for few days

Canucklehead wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

And yes, I'd like to see what would happen if the two players who have killed people would do to one another if they fought. Hopefully we would learn something because this game is going to shit quick for the townies.

.....orrrrrrr you want to see us fight because you're scared of the strength we've gained? Worried that you or your boss won't be able to beat us if/when he has to fight one of us? Trying to turn civvies against the two people who are probably their most capable protectors in the event of a Tyler fight?

unfurl wrote:Here it is the DH/Ace thing, I was the one who brought it up SVS and bea

unfurl wrote:Also something I also find curious about DH, is he was asking Ace (his brother) to go to Penss grove
DharmaHelper

Re: [NIGHT 3] Fight Club Mafia - Delaware City, DE
Aces come to Penns Grove with me ples

so ones wonder if in Day-Night 4 Tyler was at Penns Grove, going back to timmer theory, that tyler had to be in a club to be able to recruit
and DH wanted tyler to recruit his brother ???
But Ace did not vote that period, so he did not travel with DH, and as he was lynched day 5 we know he was a civvie

Long Con wrote:Hey, posting here from the Fenelon Falls fairgrounds, just taking advantage of a slow time to check in... They have free Wi-Fi here, so that's cool.

Maybe we should start tracking Tylers here... Like, pick a person to call Tyler, and then track where they went. If it doesn't include a DH connection, then they're not Tyler. Otherwise we can make lists for each Tyler possibility, and see whose name comes up the most for possible recruits.

Just a thought, obviously I'm not doing that here. At the fair.

timmer wrote:Some thoughts about tonight's fight.

I have a hunch that Tyler recruits from fight clubs where he is present. Alex is a genius when it comes to designing a game's mechanics, and I just don't think he cut us up into four fight clubs for nothing. I think it to make Tyler have to think about positioning, etc.

So with that in mind, I checked back and cross-referenced a bunch of notes, and of the players left alive, I count six who have never been in a fight club with DH at any given time. (And please double check that I've gotten this right, if you have the time): Boomslang, Hedgeowl, juliets, Keterman, unfurl and Spacedaisy. If my hunch is right about Tyler, none of those players should be him. And OF those six, going back to my notes, it seems there are four who have either not yet fought, or if they did fight, they lost and are presumably still at fight level 1: Boomslang, Hedgeowl, juliets and Keterman. (Again, double-check if you have time).

I bring all of this up because it seems that there are two ways to kill Tyler now; lynches and fights. But Tyler is likely strong, I could see him starting out higher than the rest of us, so I don't want to accidentally let Tyler fight a level 1 player and make him stronger. I will likely vote for one of the above to fight tonight. I think a fight of low-level players who don't seen to have a connection to DH is safest, personally.

juliets wrote:Sorsha, timmer did come back and say he was not going to vote Vompatti because of some other reasoning. It's on the tip of my brain but i cant remember what he said, just thought you might want to take a look at it before you vote.

Long Con wrote: What was the case on Vompatti again? Keterman seems to think that he would be automatically receiving votes because he came so close to lynch last time, but was there a solid case against him, or did votes just kind of fall his way in a lazy semi-bandwagon?

timmer wrote:Okay, continuing my read of Penns Grove.

So Vompatti, who has been his normal obscure self, continues to be an interesting person here.

Day 3, DH shows up, throws his shit around and makes sure everyone knows he wants to fight. But then he says:

"Vomps wants to fight, so I will let him do that."

Only there is no post AT ALL where Vompatti said he wanted to fight. None. Please read Penns Grove and tell me where I'm wrong.

Also, Alex mentioned that the puzzle in his siggie hadn't yet been solved and said people could suggest a letter.

Vompatti said: "I request the letter 'D'."

That's VERY unlike Vompatti to be so suddenly on-topic and direct.

I think I just talked myself into thinking Vompatti is bad.

juliets wrote:RIP INH, the way i read an unrecruited police death by Mayhem is that one of the police has been recruited and knew who to target. Though why they didnt just recruit him instead I don't know.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
It is now Day 5. The game has entered its true phase. All roles have been updated appropriately.

All unrecruited Civilians are no longer independent. They are aligned with "Narrator" and must need Tyler Durden dead to win.

timmer wrote:Okay, continuing my read of Penns Grove.

So Vompatti, who has been his normal obscure self, continues to be an interesting person here.

Day 3, DH shows up, throws his shit around and makes sure everyone knows he wants to fight. But then he says:

"Vomps wants to fight, so I will let him do that."

Only there is no post AT ALL where Vompatti said he wanted to fight. None. Please read Penns Grove and tell me where I'm wrong.

Also, Alex mentioned that the puzzle in his siggie hadn't yet been solved and said people could suggest a letter.

Vompatti said: "I request the letter 'D'."

That's VERY unlike Vompatti to be so suddenly on-topic and direct.

I think I just talked myself into thinking Vompatti is bad.

S~V~S wrote:

Sorsha said~ I understand your point here but a theory going around in a couple of the towns I visited was that in order to kill Tyler someone would have to fight him. In order to fight him it was thought that a pretty high skill level would be needed, so I also understand players wanting to fight a second time.

Interesting theory, but it was a theory. My thought, and apparently I was not the only one to think it, was that until we knew what was what, not letting any one person gain too much power was a good idea. Since DH was adamant about wanting to fight, and he turned up bad, maybe it was a good point. Since we did not seem to be having any traditional NKs either, I was thinking that controlling the fights might be the way they might have tried to make up for that. Now that we are in a more traditional format, and not even sure if the fights will continue, that could change.

But an interesting theory, even a really good one, is something to keep in mind, but not something to stop people from taking precautions until they know what is going on. I am curious as to who laid that theory out, DH?

Time for Vodka, Pizza & Penns Grove.

Roxy wrote:For me the thing wrong with pushing to fight when you already had fought was that you were hoping to increase your skill level - something I do not want. I wanted people who had fought to wait and give everyone a chance to fight so that one or more people didn'thave a higher skill level than everyone else. for all I know you could be a recruit/Tyler trying to up your skill level giving the townies no chance. or vice versa. If you are a townie then I would think you would understand this.