The Syndicate

Oh wait sig... I tried turning you into an animal and it failed. So we figured you were probably Sen and should be gotten rid of. That's what it was!

Quin wrote:I was reading this thread as it progressed and I had Sorsha down as a definite scum

Since we killed Sloonei?

Epignosis wrote:Also, my endgame post was funny as hell.

It was, I liked the willow part.

sig wrote:So, why did you kill me mafia?

Also thanks for the game MM/Epi I had fun when I was alive.

I don't remember. Probably because it wouldn't have led back to any/many of us

Yay for lucky flip of a bath token.

I'm not lying about anything you said. You said you agreed with this part here:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:So it's logical but you don't agree or what was the point of your post then?

I'm not sure what you would call the main point. This part here is the only thing about Niju. So somehow it made you think I said Niju was civ.

Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^

Again, I've been pretty much after Niju all game. Rarely are there posts in which I agree with every single word, jot, or tiddle. I'm sure you feel the same. Yet we still quote and comment and sometimes encourage one other by sharing how we think they made a good post.

Which to me reads as SVS saying "I waffle on Eloh but I think she is not bad, I feel the same way about niju" Meaning she thinks the both of you were not bad, but she wasn't sure. And you are saying you agree with that point. But you are saying that you mean niju is bad. So what you are agreeing with and what you are saying you mean are two different things.

Well, I want the civs to win so I voted for you.

So it's logical but you don't agree or what was the point of your post then?

No need to be rude

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:My gut is telling me Dom & Sorsha. She was the first one to point out the obvious:

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Dom wrote:G-Man, this pivot in strategy is... interesting.

Why do you want to find Yububa today and not Kashira?

Because all of us could be Kashira but only four of us could be Yubaba. Aim small, miss small.

What I'm getting from this is you are KAshira.

His own analysis above doesn't even dismiss him as yubaba, it could have been reflected back to him.

I find it interesting that svs was silenced again today when she seemed to be putting the heat on g-man yesterday. And all of a sudden g-man has the time and motivation to do all this work. Seems like a baddie in end-game mode to me.

I'm also looking at eloh who seems to just be lying lower and lower each day.

Not sure if I'd put niju or eloh higher at this point. I have to study their posts and votes before I decide. Same with Dom but I'm pretty sure he would fall behind eloh and niju.

Then Dom picked it up and ran with it. I have thought Dom to be a cute l'il coal critter the whole game based on the first few days, but maybe not so much any more.

GTH:

Dom, Bad
Wilgy, Not Bad
Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^
Sorsha, Bad

I think this is a good, logical post -worth repeating.

This post of yours from yesterday, agreeing with SVS.

Eloh you said yesterday you thought niju was civ.

....switching to niju.

I don't know anymore

But I didn't kill SVS, why did you vote for me?

Well I guess I'll kick this off with a eloh vote.

What's wrong wilgy?

Who is bad? Who are you thinking of voting for?

Dom can't be yubaba so either Eloh or niju is. He could be Kashira though but if yubaba targeted him it means that they are out of extra votes I guess.

RIP svs

Wiiiiillllllgyyyyy! I need you!

And SVS if you are bad this game then you get all-time #1 FEB status for life, etcetera etc (I'd have to work on a better title)

It's looking that way. I'm going to go over G-mans case on him before I decide finally though. And I'd like to hear some input from the others. With yubabas silencing/vote canceling power I think we should try to get her first.

Who do you think is more likely to be yubaba?

Well obviously it doesn't make him look bad, now that we know he was good. And how mega obvious was it to anyone when they didn't mention it?

His legacy post was Dom as yubaba and niju as Kashira. That could be it but anyone between Eloh, niju and Dom is what I think it is. I don't know that niju and Eloh really work as a team considering Elohs almost constant voting for niju but there are/were the extra votes in play as well.

I haven't thought you were bad for ages and I doubt it's wilgy so those are the three I'm left with.

SVS- were you or were you not getting suspicious of G-man before you were silenced? Because it looked to me like you were and I don't see anything wrong with me pointing it out. You say I was pointing out the obvious but I didn't see anyone else mentioning it so it didnt seem all that obvious to me.

Dom wrote:Do you guys really think G-Man is more likely to be bad than Elo?

I think Eloh is more likely to be yubaba so she would be the more dangerous of the two. If they still have extra votes though I think spreading the vote out is dangerous too. So it seems safer to vote together imo

Hopefully they are out of* extra votes.

I put my vote on g-man, I could change it to eloh if anyone thinks she should be taken out first but I think those two are the last two baddies. I think it's more likely that Eloh is yubaba since g-man has been targeted by her. Hopefully they are out is extra votes.

Dom wrote:I really don't like the timing of Nju's Matt vote on Day 1.
Or Elo's Day 5 LC vote.

But I get your point.

Do you think eloh and niju might be the last two?

I can't shake the feeling that g-man is bad though. It seems like you are feeling the same and it looked like svs was poking at him also yesterday.

Wilgy says eloh and g-man too.

Dom wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Dom wrote:G-Man, this pivot in strategy is... interesting.

Why do you want to find Yububa today and not Kashira?

Because all of us could be Kashira but only four of us could be Yubaba. Aim small, miss small.

What I'm getting from this is you are KAshira.

His own analysis above doesn't even dismiss him as yubaba, it could have been reflected back to him.

I find it interesting that svs was silenced again today when she seemed to be putting the heat on g-man yesterday. And all of a sudden g-man has the time and motivation to do all this work. Seems like a baddie in end-game mode to me.

I'm also looking at eloh who seems to just be lying lower and lower each day.

Not sure if I'd put niju or eloh higher at this point. I have to study their posts and votes before I decide. Same with Dom but I'm pretty sure he would fall behind eloh and niju.

I'll try to be around later tonight (which will probably be very early morning actually) with thoughts.

I'm switching to zebra, hoping to avoid a four way tie. Especially since it's g-man within that remaining vote.

If someone else was thinking of switching to g I'll change it back but I'm not taking the chance of being involved in a 4 way tie.

Sorry, I don't think you're disrespectful gman. I was just annoyed last night. I don't like the way this day is going I do find things you've done suspicious but I find something suspicious about almost everyone this game.

I have no reason to feel sure wilgy is good to answer your question.

I'm on the fence about niju. I think her DF vote made her look a little better yesterday and if she was on the Mafia team I'd have expected them to maybe target her with the silencing to keep her safe today. Thoughts from anyone on that?

I'm not sure how I feel about zebra jumping on the gman vote after me either. Kinda feels scummy.

In fact it actually pisses me off because I think it's disrespectful to not address anything brought up against you.

I'm voting G-man for now, again.

I'm at work and don't know how much I'll be around the rest of tonight.

x infinity @ G-Man criticizing the timing of votes. Seriously. You have still never addressed any point I have brought up against you- one of which is your hypocritical criticism of my vote timing.

Who do you think we should lynch then Zeebs?

Dom wrote:Sorsha's record suprrises me.

Dom wrote:I thought it was better.

You must not have been paying attention to what DF was saying about me. His entire case was based on my crappy voting.

I had high hopes about zebra joining the game thinking she was going to bring in some fresh eyes and ideas to the discussion. But her interactions with LC yesterday have me thinking she could be one behind his death last night. LC seemed eager about a niju lynch today and zebra argued against it.

Does anyone have any opinion on Bubbles other than "she is always a low poster and gets lynched for it?"

All of Eloh's arguments today are wifom.

And what are thoughts on Dr WIlgy? He was one of my orange reads days ago when I did my rainbow thing... he has toned down quite a bit the past few days but I sometimes find it hard to figure out what are serious suspicions from him and which are bait. This is from last night seems to be a legit one, I think.

RIP LC

I could get behind a DF lynch today. His defense of G-Man has got me thinking of a couple of scenarios. One: based on DF defending him and attacking me, that maybe I am wrong about G-Man. Its possible that DF knows G-Man is good because DF himself is bad. By attacking me he's trying to gain G-Man's favor, (or anyone's really who thinks that G-Man is good.) Or perhaps they are teammates and DF feels comfortable enough defending him since no one else is really agreeing with my G-Man suspicion.

I still find G-Man's actions this game suspicious and the fact that G-Man really hasn't even addressed them also bothers me. And I'm irritated that he is silenced today because it's just a lame free pass. Am I missing something on why no one else finds anything G-Man has done as suspicious?

Anyway- for now I'm going with a DF vote.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:It was 2/3 when I voted, and I'm sorry, I didn't think Soneji was bad. I am not going to vote for someone I don;t think is bad.

I was just thinking that I would expect a baddie to have avoided the lynch train on civ Soneji, and then I come in and see this post from you, Eloh. Who do you think are the baddies involved in the Soneji lynch, if any?

If I have to rank the Soneji voters, it would be Niju, Sorsha, Wilgy, SVS, then sig.

I don't blame you, or anyone else, for finding me suspicious for yesterday's vote. What happened yesterday is a perfect example of why I hate doing last minute vote changes and why I refused to do it the day before when LC wanted me to switch to Quin... This is what usually happens.


Niju is not on the poll today... That was an odd choice for Oshira-sama. I'm guessing some target switch was involved with it?

So sorry Soneji, RIP

Actually I feel fine with it being tied with these two... I graded them both at orange in my iso's

sig wrote:Can we have another vote on Sonjii please? I think he is mafia and DF is a teammate trying to save him.

uuuuuuugh! I hate doing stuff like this but I changed my vote to Soneji. I take responsibility for my vote but I really hope we are all right about this.

Neither have DF or sprityo

And your dismissal of my G-Man case doesn't sit well with me either, DF. You say I'm "looking too much into his comment" that's the same thing he said (or similar) after the last days vote but the case you quoted had three of his comments going back to day one in it... Did you even read the case or are you just echoing what he said?

Do you have any suspicions other than me DF?

S~V~S wrote:I will reread G Mans original player read haikus, but one of the reasons I felt good about him to begin with was those player reads. Before that I was skeptical; I think self imposed posting gimmicks can be a way to hide, but those player reads were pretty frank~ no punches being pulled.

I don't really have a problem with the haiku thing (it inspired me to put a haiku game into the heist game lineup ). I wanted to do a comparison between my red and orange players to see if there was any teammate signs but didn't have time today. Maybe later tonight.

DF- I don't really see much in your case to respond to that I haven't already addressed. I've acknowledged that my play the first few days has been poor and in hopes of avoiding possibly mislynching people due to not really knowing what's going on I've voted off the main wagons. As to being more active now, later in the game, that's how I usually am anyway but I also was in the Turf Wars as a prisoner for some time and the EST Mafia, both which required sock accounts.

Since G-Man is my only red-read player I'm going to vote for him, for now. I could change it to any of the players I listed as orange depending on how the remainder of this day goes.

Here is the second half of the list:

Long Con- Voted Quin day one, had a few exchanges with llama and suspected him but was away at EoD. A few exchanges with Quin night one then he was silenced day 2. Knowing that Quin was a civ it made me want to look at the Quin voters from the day he was lynched, I think the mafia might have silenced LC to make Quin look bad, it succeeded imo since he was lynched day 3.
Day three:
Quin
5
Long Con (4), Soneji (8), nijuukyugou (15), DFaraday (17), G-Man (20)
25%

Night two/Day three: Came out full force against Quin. Some accusations between LC and Scotty, Scotty died that night. So two consecutive kills (one NK one lynch) on civs who were suspicious of LC.

I'm okay with his blooper vote today, we'll see if it stays there. Neutral on LC.

Just quoted this to so I could compare my own thoughts (in green)

Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu.Agree I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji.Agree, I'm leaning a bit bad on both of them I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S I feel much worse about G-Man than SVS, and Dom is shifting just above and below. I feel okay about Dom, more okay than I did when I did his iso earlier Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin. I can see how you'd think this since I haven't been posting much and have pretty much not done anything right this game so far but I am civ so if you have anything you'd like me to address just say so.

nijuukyugou- Day one votes Matt, matt again on day two, Quin day three. Six posts total, only three are game/vote related. I know she usually only posts about once per day but these posts seem a bit too thin. I'd definitely like to hear more about her suspicions because right now she looking like a lurking baddie.


S~V~S- Day one vote for llama, day two switched from DF to Wilgy. I think this was a forced vote. A little back and forth with LC on night two and then she was silenced on day 3. Her comments about DF on night 3 make him look worse to me, I think she made some good observations. I accused Dom of buddying SVS earlier for agreeing with her so much and I feel like I have to take that back since I feel like I'm doing the same thing. I don't know if agreeing with someone is always considered buddying but I'm having a hard time finding much to disagree with in her iso. Her explanation of G-Man's vote on day three is one thing I disagree about, it didn't seem like a forced vote from him, imo. I also disagree with her acceptance of the argument that Wilgy wouldn't kill Wilgette, she hasn't posted since April 1st, during day 1, she's obviously not interested so I don't know why he wouldn't. Leaning civ.


sig- Voted for Matt day one and day two. Day two was some Matt v sig, also pointed out some weird things DF did but still says he didn't think DF was very suspicious. But I like this post from day three:

sig wrote:Okay so I dislike Wilgy wanting to lynch SVS when she is bearly able to post. :P

I think it is telling that SVS was silenced after suspecting DF and mentioning Wilgy, as well as some defense of Eloh.

Right now I'd like to pursue DF, his day 1 vote for Dom was weird, and it avoided both main wagons.

Day three starts the sig-Soneji exchanges and sig votes for him. Leaning civ on sig, not much to complain about in his posts.


Soneji- Missed the day one vote. Had some discussion with llama about "no lynch" options on polls. Day two he voted Matt, disagreed with G-Man saying Dom was asking strong questions. Votes for Quin on day three since sig is off the poll. I disagree with his sig suspicion, I don't think anything sig has said in this game has been too pingy- even by sig standards. I don't see where he was "vying for credit" for the llama lynch.

Soneji wrote:What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

By "players like sig" I'm guessing you mean players who are often mislynched? You can't group all those players together like they all do the same thing as one another and that's what they get lynched for. sig is sig. You've been clued in to the fact that he has been mislynched (you used an example from another game) but I'm wondering if you have BTS this game and someone is prodding you to do a sig case. Leaning bad.


sprityo- Voted Matt day one. No vote on day two. Does a big catch up post but I can't really tell what his opinions are on much, he agrees with Wilgy regarding Eloh though. He seems to mostly just be giving his own re-hash of what went on... (maybe lay off that Dorito Mountain Dew sprityo) Votes Eloh on day three. Very little content but I'm guessing civ.

As promised I am catching up today.... looking at iso's more than re-reading the thread but I'll post what I have so far for the first few players.

Bubbles- based on her day one vote for llama I'm leaning civ. Some of her posts and vote reasons have not made much sense to me though. Day one she said she dislikes day one bandwagons but immediately joined one in voting for llama, it's pretty much her saving grace that that vote went to llama. Today she put her vote on Wilgy despite saying she thought DF "doesn't look too good." Bubbles gonna Bubble, but civ I think.


DFaraday- Day one voted for Dom and thought "llama was just being llama." Voted for Eloh day two and Quin day three. His defenses have seemed sufficient, he's taken a lot of flack for the day one vote but I've learned that that's what you get when you vote for Dom :P I don't like his recent suspicon of me but I can't really argue against the fact that I have sucked this game. Neutral.


Dom- Early suspicion of Wilgy on day one, missed the day one vote, doesn't know who he would have voted for. Day two sussed DF and Matt, voted Matt. Day three voted Wilgy. The most concerning things for me with Dom are the no vote on day one and the possible(???) buddying I see him doing to SVS. Agreeing with her. Again. And again. Perhaps they're just civvies instep with one another?

SVS- do you feel as if Dom is buddying you? Overall I'm saying neutral, slightly civ on Dom.


DrWilgy- This quote of his pretty much sums up his day 1:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... Fpr those of you at home wondering... My vote was initially on G-Man, then Matt, then myself for about a day. After that my vote went to Sig, then Matt, Llama, back to Matt a 3rd time and finally Eloh!

Day two: Jokes about Matt sending in the NK. Wanted to lynch LC when he was silenced day two. Seemed to get a bit more serious and give more serious explanations on day two. I think his case on Eloh here was okay. It might be that he just found points that he could turn into a case though. Wilgy was clearly all over the place on day one and was not tunneling her so I def agree with him about that, she only came up as his suspicion near the end of the day. Voted for blooper then switched to Eloh.
Day three: Like yesterday the player that Wilgy was suspecting gets silenced (SVS). Takes shit about being mean to Eloh.
Theres a lot to take in looking at his iso but I have to say I think I am leaning slightly bad on Wilgy, despite agreeing with points he made on Eloh. I think it could be a case of him finding something to make a case out of, civs can make themselves look bad, better than baddies usually. I think he's hiding behind the numerous vote switches and I find it odd that he thinks LC is bad but doesn't want to lynch him. Could possibly be teammate distancing, I haven't gotten to my LC iso yet.


Elohcin- Mostly catch up day one, voted Wilgy. Day two voted Matt, had some back and forth with Wilgy where she basically blows his suspicions off, day three vote back to Wilgy. I don't have much to quote from her posts but a few things she has said here and there + my feelings about Wilgy are making me lean civ on her.


G-Man- voted for llama on day one which looks good for him, he moved it off for a minute then went back though.

G-Man wrote:I'd like to point out that I had originally voted for Llama before Wilgy had. I moved my vote for a few mintues but ended up going back to Llama. Wilgy and Wilgette should really be considered the final two votes on Llama since I was being a moveable-vote dork. Just want to set that record straight.

Why did you move your vote away from llama and then back G-Man? Who did you move it to and why?

Day two voted Matt. Day three took issue with Wilgy's rainbow list. He made this post 39 minutes before the poll ended:

G-Man wrote:Voting Wilgy but
I'll be watching as other
Votes trickle in

And I questioned why it was ok for him to make a late vote but no one else. I know, and everyone else does too, that late votes and close ones can be manipulated by the baddies but G-Man is just assuming that we are all okay with him being a late voter?
And one minute before the poll closes:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

Am I the only one bothered by the player who has been a last minute voter in all of the lynches so far being the one criticizing last minute voters? Yes, he did vote for llama day one but I'd like to know more about his late vote switch that day. I'm leaning bad on him, depending on his reasoning for the day one llama vote this could edge slightly higher.

DFaraday wrote:I was totally wrong about Quin, but I still don't see his case on LC. Sorsha's vote seemed rather throwaway to me though.

I feel perfectly fine about my throwaway vote, I think what G-Man did at the end of the last lynch was shady.

Looks like my day one vote for you was probably well placed also.

S~V~S wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin

There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.

Are you trying to say he was vote forced? Because I'm not seeing his actions fitting that explanation. Why come in and criticize late voters for manipulating the poll then make a last minute vote yourself.

G-Man wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin

I meant certainty
Of who gets lynched, not certain-
ty of alignment

So... you didn't care if the player who was lynched was civ or not. You just wanted to be certain that the player with the most votes got lynched?

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin

Sorsha wrote:

G-Man wrote:Sorsha your vote has
Renewed my suspicion of
You

Oh wow big surprise lol

*fixed

G-Man wrote:Sorsha your vote has
Renewed my suspicion of
You

I wow big surprise lol

I promise if I'm not dead by the weekend I will re-read the whole thread and become more involved and stop making such shitty votes. I don't want to be the one who decides these close votes when I'm really not giving the game the attention it needs.