The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.

If I was a recruit don't you think the vote would be a little closer come on now really I think thats reaching a little. Everyone is saying i'm bad because of the way I voted and because they think I was on a team with the role checker but when I bring someone else up they think I'm wrong so where is the logic in that.

This defense makes little to no sense though.

1) Rox's lynch was far from "a little closer". She got 9 votes against her that day. And she was recruited.

2) You were supposed to be lynched yesterday and you weren't and there was a lynch switch. So what motivation, if you were recruited, would anyone else on your team possibly have to defend you? It'd be suicide.

MovingPictures07 wrote:But wouldn't the Cybers want to help narrow down The Master too? What if The Master makes it to endgame with two or three protections?

S~V~S wrote:Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.

Hedgeowl wrote:bwt and Bea, you have done an amazing job with this game. Thank you for all your hard work on such an awesome theme.

Also guys, I have a fever today, so won't be around much except to check in as needed.


All I can say Bass is that you are wrong about me. You didnt give me much to work with either in defense, since you feel I am bad, but haven't presented any evidence. I tend to prefer vote analyzing though when possible and you, Snow, and DF are those that crick my brow as sabies teammes currently. After the last lynch and switch I see no reason to wait either. I am interested in looking at DF again and Snow, but for today Bass it is.

Voting Bass

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I agree that Bass has to go. I think the switch was used to save him. There is a slim chance that he's a civ and it was used by a third party, but that seems really unlikely to me. Lynch switches are basically a free life if you or a teammate is about to be lynched, why waste it saving a civilian?

Where is Bass, anyway? Has he posted? Seems pretty guilty to me, but idk his rl circumstances, could be genuinely busy.

linki: Bea, you guys have done a truly excellent job, I thnk everyone will agree.

One of the things i said when i was insanified is that bass made at least one post in another thread but did not come here to comment, so we know he's had time to at least stop by. I'm also of the mind that the switch was a save and that puts him above snowy in my book of who should go first.

Yeah, he clearly has chosen not to defend against practically all of the accusations against him. I still have that question regarding how he knew exactly how often the recruiter was recruiting that is unanswered as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm completely fine with a Bass vote. In fact, I'm almost positive he's either (and Snow Dog too for that matter):

1) A recruited Cyberman
2) A recruited civvie
3) The recruiter role

His push, in conjunction with Snow Dog's, to incriminate Hedgeowl as the recruiter seems contrived to me. It is possible she is the recruiter, but neither he nor Snow Dog have provided any reasons for their thinking AT ALL nor have they responded to questions from me and others to elaborate upon their declaration. To me, it reeks of the push against Chris to get rid of him as well.

I already explained why a Hedge recruiter is possible but seems unlikely here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 523#p91523

But to summarize facts we know and why Hedge doesn't seem a likely recruiter, though still possible:

1) We don't know whether MM was 'recruited' by this so-called recruiter or The Master. Despite this, The Master does not say 'recruit' in its role, and assuming MM was recruited by the recruiter, Hedge's vote for him makes no sense.
2) Rox abandoned her suspicion of Hedge. Bass and Snow Dog, to my knowledge, have never even said this is why they're eyeing Hedge as the recruiter, they just insist it. However, even if this were the reason, as it appears to be the only connection, it doesn't make any logical sense. As I stated in the aforementioned post, Rox is a MUCH better player than that, even when she gets really busy, and given the way her post volume decreased in general, I don't think it was an attempt to flip flop on a suspicion after being recruited, even though I was initially inclined to think so. Even if that interpretation were incorrect and say Rox was backing off of Hedge, I think it'd be really silly for Hedge to recruit her main accuser. In my first mafia game ever, on a baddie team I recruited my biggest accuser, Dom, and then practically immediately he and I were lynched one after the other, it was a complete disaster. Even though this is WIFOM, the only fact we have is that Rox is a recruit, and in my opinion it would make very little sense for a recruiter to recruit someone who practically almost got her killed, then backed off a bit. Not only that, but it reminds me of how MM was trying to push me and Dana as bad because Enrique flopped on us at the last second. Obviously not true, just meant to direct in the wrong direction. It's much more logical that Roxy didn't interact much with her recruiter in thread.
3) We don't even know for sure that there is one recruiter role, even if it seems logical, or anything about this recruiter's role or recruiting patterns. The fact that Bass says this:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Bass has still not responded to the allegations that he is Sabie's teammate.

This is the most worrisome thing about Bass to me, tbh.

Sorry I just got home not to long ago and had to unpack. But I was not on sabie's team or recruited or the master so I don't know what else I can say. I voted for who I thought to be bad this whole game. I still think hedge could be the person who recruits and now its day nine so their is a possibility that she has 3 people on here team now. The way chris said there was no way hedge could be the recruiter makes me think he could be recruited I mean why not recruit a player that claims to have a civvie role and has some kind of protection from night kills. Also he has be trying to drive the thread away from the topic of the recruiter.

Pings the hell out of me. "It's day nine so there is a possibility that she has 3 people on her team now".

What?

Bass never even elucidated why he thinks Hedge is the recruiter, but then drops this revelation.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In any case, both zeek & MM are off the table today, so

Faraday surviving a Strax kill makes me less inclined to suspect him rather than more. He does seem a bit blendier than is usual even for him, though, so maybe he needs a reread.

Tomorrow, since I am out for the night

xox happy mafia players

It read to me that Strax's kill failed, not that DF survived it.

Is that a distinction the hosts would make in a night post?

Oh Hosts: is there game info to be interpreted in the wording of your night posts?

MP, I'd like a little more reassurance re: DF, if it's not too much trouble.

Keys, I'm not really sure on DF, but the fact that he survived an NK last night confirms my gut read of him as a civvie to be more likely. Hope that helps.

Linki: Now TH, that is an interesting argument. I would think it's a possibility, really, but I don't think S~V~S is the recruiter. Not at all. She could be a recruited role, however.

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Chris wrote:Honestly Dom, I would consider Hedgie as the recruiter if she hadn't voted for MM last like she did during his lynch.

So why couldn't MM be recruited by The Master?

Wanna answer my questions?

Chris wrote:Honestly Dom, I would consider Hedgie as the recruiter if she hadn't voted for MM last like she did during his lynch.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Bass has still not responded to the allegations that he is Sabie's teammate.

This is the most worrisome thing about Bass to me, tbh.

Chris wrote:I agree with Snow Dog that MM was recruited, and that it wasn't The Master that recruited him. You can see a tie between Roxy and MM if you go back and read both of they're posts. Roxy and MM voted together for Epig. Hedgie was the last for for MM. If Hedgie was the recruiter, she just killed he recruited player.

Nope. Hedgie is not the recruiter.

But I'm pretty sure I've worked out who is.

Turnip Head wrote:I think it's interesting that LC dodged the NK but not the insanity bug. Surely there's some explanation for that.

I'm trying to go back through voting records and figure out where the Cybers have been hiding their votes while civs and Daleks were lynched, but it's tough sledding. Not many patterns.

Bass's record maybe stands out. He voted for known Daleks on Days 1-5: Enrique (5th and last vote), Enrique (3rd and last vote), Made (4th out of 5), Enrique (3rd, and this was the Enrique vs. Made lynch), Enrique again (he's finally lynched), and then he votes for Epi2.0 (6th, putting Epi in the lead over MM by one vote). He missed yesterday's Roxy vote.

So based on that voting record, Bass is either a really tuned in civvie, a baddie with a rolecheck, or the Master (based on his Epi vote, which could have been saving MM).

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to go ahead a vote Epig

Spoken like a drunken caveman.

juliets wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok where to start . The two cases that make the most sense to me is the case on MM and the case on Epig 2.0. MP made some good points about MM maybe distancing from possible teammates. But the case on Epig is what I find myself agreeing with the most. The fact that he is an English teacher and knows how to word phrases is what makes me second guess him and his explanation for why he gave the statement he gave for the LD. I think he was trying to give a good enough answer without seeming like a liar to the LD.

Bass, what do you think of the fact that Epi has now said "I am not a robot"? That's the statement that others have been asking for.

Epignosis wrote:Preface: This post deals with the lie detector business, just in case you don't care about that. If you do, here you are:

juliets wrote:Epi I am looking forward to whatever you have for us this afternoon and I'm inclined right now to think you are civ. What I don't understand is why in hell you just don't make the robot statement so all of us can put that behind us. As a civ, do you really want us to spend so much time on that one issue? SVS said maybe you are possibly saying "I am what I am"; I just think you are being plain ole' stubborn. Or, you're not civ and there's a reason why you don't want to make that statement, a reason that I cannot see when I read your original statement about role-checking. I guess there is the possibility that you are civ and don't want to make that statement but I don't see any robots in the civ characters. I have to say the whole thing causes me some uneasiness because it could so easily be dispensed with.

When I made my statement, I noted that it's difficult to find a statement you're allowed to check. Some hosts do not allow "I am not a baddie" to be checked, for example. Furthermore, I have not seen a single minute of Dr. Who. I know that in my previous incarnation, I was a robotic canine. No way in hell was I about to research each of the characters to see if they were androids or some other non-biological entity. And are Daleks robots? I don't know. Three of them look like robots, but the Dalek Sec sure as hell doesn't. Is the Dalek Sec what those things look like underneath their armor? "I am not a robot" is a flawed statement from my perspective. Therefore, I crafted what I considered to be the most comprehensive sentence. In retrospect, I could have used a different verb tense in my statement to provide it the airtight nature Long Con was looking for, but I didn't. Sorry.

As I've said before, I don't reveal all of my cards before the flop. By refusing to capitulate, I get to watch how people react to that. I get to watch how people react to the reactions. Plus I get a little suspicion kept on me, which is a healthy thing, if you can dig it. If you're of the mindset that my refusal must mean I'm bad, then not only is your conclusion false, you're missing the forest for the trees.

The most recent criticism against me is that I didn't do exactly what zeek wanted. First, we don't know exactly what zeek wanted, but for once I'll be reasonable and not argue that particular point. Second, if you will consider the context of my statement, you may note that zeek did not ask me what he did out of the blue. He asked me because Roxy was under the impression that I had info. Nope- just paying good attention. When I phrased my statement, I was conscious of Roxy's suspicion. I had her in the forefront of my mind when I made it (even if she didn't notice it ). Third, zeek was around after I made my statement. He even posted to tell us that he's awesome at code cracking, that there are no lynch stops, and that there's not one single capote (thank God for that). It would not have been difficult for him to express dissatisfaction with my sentence; that he did not in the span of two hours leads me to believe that my statement satisfied him. Finally, zeek asking me to make another statement during the Day (i.e., when he wasn't insane) wouldn't be useful until the next Night (since lie detectors don't detect during the Day).

Regarding lie detectors in general: I like them, but I've decided that I don't like the way they are used: "Make a statement or you're bad!" Should I ever include them in one of my games in the future, it will be a secret. If the game maker wanted the lie detector to be a role or alignment checker, it would have been so. Also, people shouldn't harangue me about the wording of my statement until they've made statements of their own, but that's just one fellow's opinion. Moving forward, I refuse to offer statements for a lie detector, regardless of my alignment. Just a head's up.

So my refusal to comply with this request could be any combination of the above reasons.

Or spite.

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:voting enrique because the reasons I have said before.

Are these the reasons you're talking about?

Enrique wrote:lol hey guys did I defend Made in the other game I've ever played with him?? I can't remember And how did that turn out?

I'm not even sure I'm defending him here. Rather see him lynched tomorrow than me or MP or even Daisy

linki - OK, that's your interpretation. Can we hear it from MP?

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Enrique wrote:Sick burn But damn at least I'm trying.

I mean thats what I'm doing. I said who I thought was bad . I gave my reasons sorry but this is how I play. Once I get a feel of how everyone is playing I will get more active.

Penny for your thoughts?

Thoughts on what?

Anything game related?

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Enrique wrote:Sick burn But damn at least I'm trying.

I mean thats what I'm doing. I said who I thought was bad . I gave my reasons sorry but this is how I play. Once I get a feel of how everyone is playing I will get more active.

Penny for your thoughts?

Enrique wrote:Sick burn But damn at least I'm trying.

Enrique wrote:This is honestly based on so little that I don't know what to say. You're wrong?

linki- right Dom but the thing is I was NOTHING away from being lynched. I still have Epig and BR's guaranteed votes every day, and you never know who from the sabie/blooper/Eloh/Bass hardly active train is gonna hop on at any given day.

Enrique wrote:

Bass voted Enrique D1 and D2 and essentially everything else he has said was that Epig was acting like his normal self

He said he was considering a vote for Epig, then one line later he was his "normal self." I definitely thought this was pingy and, had Epignosis flipped bad, Bass would definitely have gotten my vote. But he was good after all so I don't know what to make of that

Has LC been around since that post? I thought it was weird that splints specifically asked him for his opinion on Chris, but I dunno. She did offer a reason, because apparently Elsie is really good at reading Chris, but it still seemed odd to me that she'd single him out.

Top 3 suspects? I'm gonna say:

1. Dom
2. keys
3. Chris, maybe? Elo (backing off this one a little bit since her survival)? I want to hear more from Sabie, too.

Not super confident about any of these, but that's all I got.

DF is flying wayyy under the radar but I don't know if that's enough to get my vote yet. I want to give him a chance to show up and see what he has to say.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Anyone else find it interesting that Dom, Blooper, and Bass all in a row express serious intention to vote Made?

Anyway, going to let that sit and will mull over things... be back tomorrow, folks, and it probably won't be much. Busy day ahead of me!

Enrique wrote:

Bass voted Enrique D1 and D2 and essentially everything else he has said was that Epig was acting like his normal self

He said he was considering a vote for Epig, then one line later he was his "normal self." I definitely thought this was pingy and, had Epignosis flipped bad, Bass would definitely have gotten my vote. But he was good after all so I don't know what to make of that

Has LC been around since that post? I thought it was weird that splints specifically asked him for his opinion on Chris, but I dunno. She did offer a reason, because apparently Elsie is really good at reading Chris, but it still seemed odd to me that she'd single him out.

Top 3 suspects? I'm gonna say:

1. Dom
2. keys
3. Chris, maybe? Elo (backing off this one a little bit since her survival)? I want to hear more from Sabie, too.

Not super confident about any of these, but that's all I got.

DF is flying wayyy under the radar but I don't know if that's enough to get my vote yet. I want to give him a chance to show up and see what he has to say.

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:That's one way to shrug off a bunch of opinions. People don't get me, so I'm not gonna bother to get involved, what?

That's not what his post said.

In fact, most of the votes against him are pretty crappy reasons. He already stated why he was suspicious of you, yet you continue to ignore it.

I... haven't ignored it. For one second. I have addressed it many many times. But how often has he addressed any post about him? It's like he's not even trying. What thread have you been reading that you accuse me of ignoring the couple of posts where he gives any reason?

@Bass: No. You made those statements consecutively. "I'm debating whether to vote Made, Enri or Epig. Enri and Made yadda yadda. Epig is his normal self."