The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:58 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:52 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:51 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am Wait if tutuus is wilgys… is wilgys/tutuus still voting Creatures?
we're voting for both creature and marmot at the same time

we're a self-replicating killer nano robot virus coming to ruin your mafia games

im on my way to sub out to get a 3rd vote

this is only the beginning.
Why are you voting for me?
sheeping mac and sloonei
This slot should be burned with fire after I die.
really uncharacteristic post of marmot

it would make more sense if they were scumreading my predecessor wilgy

i iso'd marmot and saw no mention of wilgy (unless they said woogers or something)

marmot saying "This slot should be burned with fire after I die. " to tutuu that is supposedly a null read is just super uncharacteristic of marmot of what i know of town marmot

That was my gut response to you sheeping a vote at this stage of the game, but I changed my mind.

Actually I looked at tutuu's ISO and think she's being townie. She does have 74 posts, so she's clearly caught up in the game to some extent, so the fact that she's sheeping a vote on me is a little weird, but her ISO does look like she's working toward a worldview that does contain Sloonei and Mac as top townreads, so it isn't that weird.

I think my entire wagon is town with the possible exception of Santy. If that's the case, I would gander that falcon is also town, and the wolves are not doing much, or they're off voting smaller wagons atp, otherwise wolves would probably focus more attention on my slot.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:51 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am Wait if tutuus is wilgys… is wilgys/tutuus still voting Creatures?
we're voting for both creature and marmot at the same time

we're a self-replicating killer nano robot virus coming to ruin your mafia games

im on my way to sub out to get a 3rd vote

this is only the beginning.
Why are you voting for me?
sheeping mac and sloonei

This slot should be burned with fire after I die.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:46 am
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am Wait if tutuus is wilgys… is wilgys/tutuus still voting Creatures?
we're voting for both creature and marmot at the same time

we're a self-replicating killer nano robot virus coming to ruin your mafia games

im on my way to sub out to get a 3rd vote

this is only the beginning.

Why are you voting for me?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:42 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?
if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content
@Marmot , how would this make you think that?

Marmot said
I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.
Are dyachei and Creature related that this remark would make you back off? I'm asking in seriousness, not being facetious.

I didn't want to pry into personal lives, so I chose to accept it. I just assumed that dya knew something outside of the thread (not necessarily in scumchat, just from somewhere else) that made them say that.

That said, it is Day 2, and Creature hasn't done much that the leash he was given (at least by me, I dunno how many others voted the same way).

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:21 am @Marmot when you are here, please explain both your Creature / Nate / Dennis /falcon reads to me please and ty.

Creature - wolfy
Nate - I've found some of his behaviors wolfy, but I'm not committed on that read, because based on his personality, I'm not sure the things I'm noticing are AI.
Dennis - I thought he as town on Day 1, haven't reconsidered since
falcon - slightly scummy

(Both? That was more than 2 silly)

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?
if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content

I wanted to vote Creature on Day 1, but dya made this post so I made a pass and went elsewhere.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:30 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:01 pm I can read some of Marmot's posts from End of Day 1 as a mafia member looking for a place to park their vote, rather than a town player making an earnest effort to solve. Here are a couple about Scotty in particular that stood out:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:44 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:42 pm marmot, you know scotty better than i do, would you read his iso and give me thoughts?
My initial thought from seeing his post count is "wow, only 56 posts".
Looking through Scotty's ISO.

I don't think his posts are bad, like they do look like posts that townies make, but I am having hard time seeing a scumhunting mindset behind them.

Also

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:44 pm Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first
I don't think the logic here adds up. If the mafia team is evenly split (which I doubt it is guaranteed to be), there wouldn't be a reason for him to push his own community, as the odds are equivalent.

Although, if he knows that he's town, he would then think there is a slightly higher chance of chopping a wolf among the rest of the Syndicaters based on this logic.

Hmmm...

This could be mildly TMIing himself town, but it also gives me pause that he didn't include that in his argument, so that may not have even been part of it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.

The first one feels more convoluted than it needs to be, as though Marmot's seeking out his own justification to place a vote on a wagon that's already taking off. The second is full of language that suggests Marmot has no faith in the Scotty wagon, but is resigned to joining it anyway. I also feel like his justification for choosing Scotty over Creature is weak.

What would you expect town marmot to do?
Pass out fewer trees?

he has technically made townie posts.
as a qualifier strikes me as incredibly sketch, tbh.

Also, I went back over Creatures iso, and he mentions a couple of times that he's strapped for time, but you made it sound like he's got an issue beyond his control. Did I miss the post where he said that?
Marmot never answered my question about his making excuses for Creatures time crunch.

This is what Creature said about it:

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:59 pm Wished I had more time for day 1.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:43 pm I don't really have time for this game right now.
He also said he was "unengaged"

What Marmot said:

He voted for Creature fairly early, then switched to Scotty with a weak justification:

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:19 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Ties bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.
How does he know that it's out of his control?? How?? TMI.

They're both bad.

Since they're tied at this time, I'm putting one on Marmot, since he didn't specifically answer me when asked about this.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

It wasn't a post from Creature, it was a post from dya that I just linked in my response to Mac.

Also, I didn't respond to your post because I haven't been in the thread since you asked that question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

dya made this post and so I shrugged my shoulders and voted Scotty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:01 pm I can read some of Marmot's posts from End of Day 1 as a mafia member looking for a place to park their vote, rather than a town player making an earnest effort to solve. Here are a couple about Scotty in particular that stood out:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:44 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:42 pm marmot, you know scotty better than i do, would you read his iso and give me thoughts?
My initial thought from seeing his post count is "wow, only 56 posts".
Looking through Scotty's ISO.

I don't think his posts are bad, like they do look like posts that townies make, but I am having hard time seeing a scumhunting mindset behind them.

Also

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:44 pm Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first
I don't think the logic here adds up. If the mafia team is evenly split (which I doubt it is guaranteed to be), there wouldn't be a reason for him to push his own community, as the odds are equivalent.

Although, if he knows that he's town, he would then think there is a slightly higher chance of chopping a wolf among the rest of the Syndicaters based on this logic.

Hmmm...

This could be mildly TMIing himself town, but it also gives me pause that he didn't include that in his argument, so that may not have even been part of it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.

The first one feels more convoluted than it needs to be, as though Marmot's seeking out his own justification to place a vote on a wagon that's already taking off. The second is full of language that suggests Marmot has no faith in the Scotty wagon, but is resigned to joining it anyway. I also feel like his justification for choosing Scotty over Creature is weak.

What would you expect town marmot to do?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:26 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:52 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:43 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:14 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?
I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.
tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?
Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.
Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.

But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

I thought I was a fairly easy player to read, whatchoo talkin' 'bout?

You're hedging my slot here pretty hard, and deferring to another to inform your read, tho you've got plenty of playing experience with me such that you should certainly be able to make your own. Why?

You're mischopped all the time, how does that make you an easy read?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

My level-0 guess is that there is some sort of spam vig, and Sporty died because she had the most posts. I don't think she was strongly scumread either.

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:43 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:14 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?
I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.
tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?
Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

Can you sell me on your falcon read? I went through his ISO, and even did some comparison with Game of Champions where he was town.

He does seem to ask more questions here, whereas he spent more time in that game offering his specific takes. He is still doing that to some extent here, but his spending time asking questions without much followup is what gives me the most pause.

But falcon is a tough player to read and is mischopped often, so I often ignore my own read on him early in the game for that reason.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Why is this your starting point?

Reading through Nate's notes that were posted overnight. There's a lot of noncomittal takes, but they are notes so that's to be expected. Also the notes seem fairly consistent in that it does look like he developed them over the course of the day and didn't just go back and make them up last night.

I'm feeling less certain on him now.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof
I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it
This is more pockety than what dya said
im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty
I didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.

It was really this back-and-forth I didn't like. Nate made a joke about something dya said, but backed down from it in a way that looked to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation or putting his takes out there.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:20 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:19 am [VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I think Mac is town at first glance and I like that he's voting here. I didn't care much for Nate's EOD1.
What specifically did you find scummy?

I gathered that he was just posting to post and not really interested or caring in who died.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:08 pm I wasn't really sure what to broadcast so I just dumped my notes.

I missed this originally so I'm glad you said this.

Ok hm, Nate does have things to say I'll take a look.

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Do you typically make "call-to-action" posts like this and is it AI for you?

[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I think Mac is town at first glance and I like that he's voting here. I didn't care much for Nate's EOD1.

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:57 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:57 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:56 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.
This feels... Hedgey.
This is Sloonei (looks deeply at both sides of the coin)
So in your experience, NAI for them to be this hedgey? And something done equally as wolf or village?
It's been a while since I've experienced wolf Sloonei (I think Philosopher II Mafia in December of 2021), but he has always been good at analyzing both sides of a point, and his recent meta suggests he has no trouble doing so as town, and a considerable trouble replicating it well as wolf.

I think the hedginess itself is not AI though, but I'm open to other arguments or more specific ones about his takes if they are made.
I would have no trouble at all faking that sort of post as mafia.

Ok you can be a wolf now.

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.
This feels... Hedgey.
This is Sloonei (looks deeply at both sides of the coin)
So in your experience, NAI for them to be this hedgey? And something done equally as wolf or village?

It's been a while since I've experienced wolf Sloonei (I think Philosopher II Mafia in December of 2021), but he has always been good at analyzing both sides of a point, and his recent meta suggests he has no trouble doing so as town, and a considerable trouble replicating it well as wolf.

I think the hedginess itself is not AI though, but I'm open to other arguments or more specific ones about his takes if they are made.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm Oh I see I have votes

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:52 pm I forgot about this game, wild

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:17 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:49 pm We got more.

Genny:
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genny wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:04 am
miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:58 am
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:03 am Is this really the place to play a game. I always felt this was a forum to, well, play a game, and discuss issues pertaining to the mafia game player. I look at the other mafia forums and see questions and concerns about their respective chosen votes. I look at the syndicate and see I game playing. At the very least, this just doesn't look professional. I see children here who are not serious about their game playing. Online gaming is fine, but not here.
See, this site needs reacts because this post deserves it's moment in the sun
Agreed, I miss react buttons *sad face*
Don’t you just love it when guests come over and complain about your decor?

I’m excited about all the options for ISOs that I will never do!
Caustic approach. Slightly pessimistic but thoughtful.
You are a crow, and definitely good.
potentialsheltervet:
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potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:53 pm Playing on a forum that doesn't censor profanity feels illegal. And empowering.
Is enriched and strengthened by profanity.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:03 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:21 pm I also [VOTE: sleep] aubergine
So I’m picking you out of the community to ask:

-how are you?
-do you actually handle dogs?
-what’s your least favorite dog?
-if the answer is Scotty, don’t
-I have a mean bark and a terribly ineffective bite
-What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Very tired, actually going to sleep maybe
Yes, the SAR is for search and rescue though I've been out of it a few years now
Probably huskies tbh but I think that's my vet showing
It's ok, Scotties be cool
African or European?
Smh everyone hates on huskies. Embracing the drama is way more fun.
Tut tuts those that don’t like drama.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:10 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:35 pm What is the worst animal?
Geese. They’re mean and poop everywhere.
Shut the fuck up
Inimical. Has a prickly defense.

You’re a North American porcupine, and you are probably good.
SportPonies:
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SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 3:10 pm Note that I left out those that haven’t posted or if I missed their posts.

But I’ve solved a good majority of the game.

Everyone that’s good can get in my arc and we shall reside in love and peace and harmony
what am I? Get to work.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:35 pm *playbows*

You’re a hippogriff, and you already have the most posts even though you hadn’t posted until 4 hours ago. So you’re probably just bad and mega posting because you’re trying to overcompensate for the fact that you’re not even real.

Sorry.
Creature:
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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:58 pm Boy I am angry and exhausted
You sound like my father-in-law.

You are probably my father-in-law. He’s firmly 3P and keeps trying to offer me unprompted financial advice. As I’ve said before, Greg, we’re doing fine and my portfolio IS already diversified with foreign investments.

I’m sorry about your rand, Creature.

Also, I read all of this and understood nothing.

Is this a very crafty and unnecesarly complex way of posting fluff?
I wish santy had more to say to this to Scotty today, because this single interaction with no followup looks very partnerish in the event Scotty flips wolf.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
Bad Nate.
Are you town reading Dennis? Educate me

I asked you first bronana.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.
This feels... Hedgey.

This is Sloonei (looks deeply at both sides of the coin)

I was finding Nate's EOD to be weirdly unhelpful. Like he's here, but his takes and his posts aren't pushing any new points or breaking any ground.

But now I'm just confused by his vote.

Can you explain your Dennis read to me @NateTheLesser?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Bad Nate.

@Creature are you still here, you can't disappear now just because you're not in the lead anymore!!

I mean you can, I just want to hear more from you.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:31 pm
Easy for scum to throw out confident town reads instead of developing them.

I don't disagree, but some players just do this (see MacDougall), and it became sort of popular a couple years ago to give unexplained binary reads like this.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:29 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:04 pm
mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:02 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:53 pm Anyway, I'm home from work and definitely not going to get caught up in the hour remaining. So if someone has a tldr of the current lead wagons that would be awesome

Otherwise I'll probably just make a bad impulsive decision based on whoever's around right now and sets off the peter tingle
Here is my biased understanding (I'm voting Scotty):

Scotty had a moderate amount of activity, but the wolfhunt appeared to lack feeling. The reason for the vote on Dennis didn't make sense, and the outgoing message felt wolfy

Creature has been much less active that one would expect, and hasn't made any real contributions to wolfhunting

Doing an ISO on both should be helpful to you
@Mayo the Mayo mightyrunner just made a good one
Thank you. What was the outgoing message referenced here?

I think they're talking about Scotty's final post.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:10 pm Anyway, I’m behind and out of time. If you kill me today, no big deal. My role ain’t that cool

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:26 pm im falling asleep. thanks emergency broadcast test at 4:45 am

:angry_react:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:27 pm About 8 pages behind. Wagons look fine. It's sleepytime.

Townie pop-in.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:23 pm
Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:19 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Ties bad.
Why are they bad? Especially this far out.
The wagons hadn't moved in the last 20-30 minutes, so I'm making some movement.

Also ties are bad because they lead to rands. I believe players should take it upon themselves to choose who is eliminated rather than let it fall to a coin flip.
Did you have a problem with the stagnant wagons?

Sort of.

I do think vote movement is an excellent thing, especially on Day 1 when we have tons of time afterward to look back on it and analyze. Getting lots of good talking points and interactions is very beneficial this early, and stagnant wagons can inhibit that somewhat.

Also, I don't really want to chop Creature atp.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof
I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it
This is more pockety than what dya said
im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty
I'm posting as I scroll so apologies if this isn't your most updated post/opinion.

My focus is on why you decided that Sporty was being sussed for being defensive.

And how quickly you decided that, given that was the argument, you could dismiss it and townread Sporty, who was facing a little pressure at 3 votes and is/was the third wagon behind the two 7s.

Sporty would naturally be grateful to be found as town (if town), subconsciously or not, especially by someone who is returning to the thread and plausibly could vote for her.

This seems like pocketing, TMI, buddying up to a townie. Whatever you want to call it, that's how I feel about it.

Again, sorry if I'm just unfamiliar with you. I can be wrong just how I see it.
Why can't this be a thing that a townie does?
Why does doing this have to make the doer townie?

lol gottem sorry I just felt like your question was meh as in I didn't understand your intention behind it

if you're trying to help guide me elsewhere, then it's appreciated

You seemed tunneled on one idea, which to me didn't seem inherently scummy, so I'm asking why it can't be the alternative possibility?

I think it's reasonable for a player to walk into a thread, look at a wagon, and think it's townie. I don't necessarily know if dya does this, but it's a thing people do.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:19 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Ties bad.
Why are they bad? Especially this far out.

The wagons hadn't moved in the last 20-30 minutes, so I'm making some movement.

Also ties are bad because they lead to rands. I believe players should take it upon themselves to choose who is eliminated rather than let it fall to a coin flip.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:17 pm Screenshot 2023-04-20 at 18.15.04.png

these posts rhymed just thought that was cool

You're cool B)

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Ties bad.

I think Santy on tone looks a little townier than Scotty, but also possibly partnered.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:49 pm We got more.

Genny:
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genny wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:04 am
miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:58 am
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:03 am Is this really the place to play a game. I always felt this was a forum to, well, play a game, and discuss issues pertaining to the mafia game player. I look at the other mafia forums and see questions and concerns about their respective chosen votes. I look at the syndicate and see I game playing. At the very least, this just doesn't look professional. I see children here who are not serious about their game playing. Online gaming is fine, but not here.
See, this site needs reacts because this post deserves it's moment in the sun
Agreed, I miss react buttons *sad face*
Don’t you just love it when guests come over and complain about your decor?

I’m excited about all the options for ISOs that I will never do!
Caustic approach. Slightly pessimistic but thoughtful.
You are a crow, and definitely good.
potentialsheltervet:
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potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:53 pm Playing on a forum that doesn't censor profanity feels illegal. And empowering.
Is enriched and strengthened by profanity.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:03 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:21 pm I also [VOTE: sleep] aubergine
So I’m picking you out of the community to ask:

-how are you?
-do you actually handle dogs?
-what’s your least favorite dog?
-if the answer is Scotty, don’t
-I have a mean bark and a terribly ineffective bite
-What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Very tired, actually going to sleep maybe
Yes, the SAR is for search and rescue though I've been out of it a few years now
Probably huskies tbh but I think that's my vet showing
It's ok, Scotties be cool
African or European?
Smh everyone hates on huskies. Embracing the drama is way more fun.
Tut tuts those that don’t like drama.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:10 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:35 pm What is the worst animal?
Geese. They’re mean and poop everywhere.
Shut the fuck up
Inimical. Has a prickly defense.

You’re a North American porcupine, and you are probably good.
SportPonies:
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SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 3:10 pm Note that I left out those that haven’t posted or if I missed their posts.

But I’ve solved a good majority of the game.

Everyone that’s good can get in my arc and we shall reside in love and peace and harmony
what am I? Get to work.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:35 pm *playbows*

You’re a hippogriff, and you already have the most posts even though you hadn’t posted until 4 hours ago. So you’re probably just bad and mega posting because you’re trying to overcompensate for the fact that you’re not even real.

Sorry.
Creature:
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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:58 pm Boy I am angry and exhausted
You sound like my father-in-law.

You are probably my father-in-law. He’s firmly 3P and keeps trying to offer me unprompted financial advice. As I’ve said before, Greg, we’re doing fine and my portfolio IS already diversified with foreign investments.

I’m sorry about your rand, Creature.

Also, I read all of this and understood nothing.

Is this a very crafty and unnecesarly complex way of posting fluff?

I wish santy had more to say to this to Scotty today, because this single interaction with no followup looks very partnerish in the event Scotty flips wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:13 pm Thoughts on santygrass?

He has

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Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.
I could maybe help you push it if that doesn't get me mislynched.
I might have more posts than you, but I just got here like 40 minutes ago, so I'm also playing a little blind and uncaught-up atm.
I'm in the same situation as you and that's why I am entertaining other wagons. Though, I partly also dislike being part of an EOD thunderdome.

Why are you voting Scotty atm?

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm
Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm I didn't realize the cap would lift, but that's good.
Your cap was actually lowered.
Huh?

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Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.
I could maybe help you push it if that doesn't get me mislynched.

I might have more posts than you, but I just got here like 40 minutes ago, so I'm also playing a little blind and uncaught-up atm.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:09 pm I didn't realize the cap would lift, but that's good.

Your cap was actually lowered.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:07 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm I regret my wording tbh oof
I'm gonna townlean you for this, don't make me regret it
This is more pockety than what dya said
im still not over that

dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push

pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty
I'm posting as I scroll so apologies if this isn't your most updated post/opinion.

My focus is on why you decided that Sporty was being sussed for being defensive.

And how quickly you decided that, given that was the argument, you could dismiss it and townread Sporty, who was facing a little pressure at 3 votes and is/was the third wagon behind the two 7s.

Sporty would naturally be grateful to be found as town (if town), subconsciously or not, especially by someone who is returning to the thread and plausibly could vote for her.

This seems like pocketing, TMI, buddying up to a townie. Whatever you want to call it, that's how I feel about it.

Again, sorry if I'm just unfamiliar with you. I can be wrong just how I see it.

Why can't this be a thing that a townie does?

I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

I wish there was a wagon other than Scotty to offer more choices. Scotty is a fine choice given his contributions thus far, but I'm slightly put off by the fact that he has technically made townie posts. If anyone wants to give me a name to ISO, I will.

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