The Syndicate

nijuukyugou wrote:Ugh, this is what happens when I don't get a vacation - I didn't notice MM voted Chris. Scratch what I said about saving teammates.

I need a drink.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

Catching up...ugh. I knew I shouldn't have left it to tonight, but I wanted to read Harry Potter and play Sporcle instead last night :P

I am also a user of the Sporcle.

keys56000000000 wrote:I'm glad this isn't real life, because there are some serious liabilities on the civilian team and I'm afraid they're going to get us all killed. Get your socks and soap bars, people.

My sock is working on Phd stuff right now...

Chris wrote:I guess...

But it's true.

Granted, its the first time playing with you, but would you recruit me?

I've been targeted for an NK twice, and I've been getting votes for 3 lynches now.


I wouldn't recruit me...

You were quiet for the first few days. Why not?

Chris wrote:Good reason. Elo.

Ignoring basic evidence... bad reason.


@ MM: I'm not recruited either. If you think about it, who the fuck would ever want to recruit me? I'm like a lightening rod for trouble...



zeek... you've never played with me before. To be honest, I was waiting for people to start accusing me of not being me.

I call out odd shit, and if I think I'm right, I am VERY hard to convince otherwise. If I didn't call out keys for that odd behavior, and trying to discredit my work, it would have looked very out of place.

Also, I'm still curious why keys was trying to discredit my Cyber case...

That does not discount the possibility of your alignment, but okay, I will assume you are Jack for now.

Does Chris suspect the very go-along TH?


Linki: what about MP?

Chris wrote:MM, wait.

You are very confused. And for me to explain enough to clear it up for you would require for me to out my role. But since you already have, and I don't think anyone is being confused by my bad vagueness, allow me to explain why you're wrong, and Epig will jump on anything.

I did not start with any protections. Which was why I was laying low. Then I got my first one on NIGHT 4. Then on night 6, I was double targeted for NKs. Strax's failed because I am civ. The Cyber kill failed because it was passed night 4.

Then on night 8, I was worried because NIGHT EIGHT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET.

And that's why I won't be lynched today.




HOLY LINKI!

That's where I went wrong. I was thinking you had started with one.

zeek wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So that means that his kill on you failed because either you are civ OR you have NK protection and you are a baddie. If you are a civ, you must be Jack or Sarah. You've suggested that you are not Sarah because she may be dead. If you are a civ, then the kill wouldn't happen, leaving you with one (at the time) NK surival. If you had one NK survival, then there would be no need to worry about being targeted NK'd last night, especially since double-targeting is not allowed.

But the Cybermen tried to kill him the same night as Strax, so he wouldn't have had another NK protection until now.

If he is civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving Chris with only one kill attempt to survive.

Chris wrote:MM is back.

Hi

Chris wrote:MM, don't forget that the Cybers targeted me the same night Strax did. That would have been 2 NK attempts.

But like I said, I leave it up to me being one role or the other.

When I said that about Sarah, it's true. If she was NKed, we'd never know it. She doesn't AUTOMATICALLY survive like other roles.

But Strax has attempted 4 kills thus far. 3 of them have failed, one succeeded.

Elo survived the first one on Night 2
Made is killed on Night 4
You survived the second on Night 6
DFaraday survives the third on Night 8

Here's his role.

Strax wrote:Strax: A member of the Sontaran warrior race. You were demoted to a nurse, forced to heal the injured as punishment for being defeated by The Doctor. You often assist Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint, but they prevent you from acting on your more violent outbursts and ideas. For now though, you are allowed to act out on some of those urges because you are the civ ninja. Given your sometimes wonky luck, your first 3 targets against civilians will fail. However, you will not be notified of the reason why those kills failed.

So that means that his kill on you failed because either you are civ OR you have NK protection and you are a baddie. If you are a civ, you must be Jack or Sarah. You've suggested that you are not Sarah because she may be dead. If you are a civ, then the kill wouldn't happen, leaving you with one (at the time) NK surival. If you had one NK survival, then there would be no need to worry about being targeted NK'd last night, especially since double-targeting is not allowed.

Chris wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

If you were a civ, Strax's kill would have failed, leaving you one more NK survival than you claim. If MP's theory is correct, there is much less reason to believe you are Jack Harness Chris. I think there is a hole in your story here. Especially because

Chris wrote:Also, there's no guaruntee that Sarah is alive.

She could have been targeted for a kill, and just failed the 50/50. And no one would know the difference in the night post.

You proposed that Sarah might be dead, which makes it far less likely that you are her. I think I've caught you here.

Chris wrote:I also think that there's going to be another recruitment tonight, and I think it's going to be Epig.

That's why I think team recruitment has been trying to steer the thread away from Epig.



Because you may have wanted to recruit me or shut me up.

Also, lynching a civ wouldn't really help you much, would it.

I wouldn't imagine anyone, good or bad, would WANT to lynch a civ...

SVS has been trying to lynch Epi the last few days though. I don't think that would be ingenuous.

S~V~S wrote:

Chris wrote:In reading back on MP, I noticed that SVS and Roxy were really trying to get people to vote for Epig over MM.

Roxy goes out of her way to try to convince MP to vote for Epig over MM.

For me, that's further proof that they were on the same recruited team.

Still digging.

Like I said Chris, I have not been recruited. You saw how fast I pulled my vote off of you when you made that role hint. You think about that. If you keep not seeing what I am saying, I am going to have no choice but to stop believing that hint. Which is the only reason I took my vote off you. Iirc I was also one of the only people defending you yesterday.

And MM, <3 you but totally not listening to you either.

Do what you want. I'm having a hard time trusting/believing MP though. His role says one thing, but his motives scream another.

Linki: You never gave me the impression that you thought I was bad. If you think that the/a recruiter is bad (I would disagree), then wouldn't that guarantee my baddieness?

Chris, I don't know if you've said so anywhere, but do you think this recruiter (SVS as you say) is civ or bad? What are your thoughts there?

zeek wrote:I was confused then!

MM, are you voting today? I noticed you chose the Mod/non/dead option.

That was before I realized I was alive.

I'm probably voting for Bass, but I'm still looking at other possibilities, so I haven't voted yet. I just finished reading up on Strax's kills and DF's survival. I believe DF may be a civ, but I won't discount that he could be the Cyber Controller.

I also have a theory about Chris (which actually supports MP's theory), which I will post soon.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And I realize "liar" was a strong use of words, but will you stop making posts like that before you thoroughly fact-check them?

Is that because you forgot Chris is a civ? You never backed off your accusation of me a few days back, which in fact, never did involve "lying".

Linki: more of the same

Lol, I'll address this, but then I need to go, and I'm ignoring your posts, because I have no reason to trust you (nor does anyone else).

Forgot Chris is a civ? Are you fucking kidding me (excuse my language, but WTF)? I've said repeatedly many times I believe he's either Jack or The Master, and I have never said I 100% believe him to be a civvie. Where the hell did you get that?

Your reactions to my statements are VASTLY different to your reactions to Chris' statements. Is it because of your reads? (No) Is it because of public opinion? (probably) I dunno, but I find this odd. You accused him of lying, and immediately backed off from the statement. No one is really suspicious of him. You accused me of lying before I was lynched, and continuously pushed and pushed and pushed it. Oh hey, there was speculation there too. Btw, I wasn't even lying.

*Disclaimer* This next passage contains some hypothetical situations. Some of this may or may not be true, but may be based on real situations. This is not all real fact. And this leads to my other point. You say that I am not sincere, and I'm going to call that BS. Let's think about the Dana situation for a moment from a couple different vantages. If I was a Dalek (which we can agree that I'm not), then my belief that Dana was a Dalek is of course going to be insincere, and ultimately a pointless case even if she was lynched. Next vantage, if I am ANY (we'll disregard unknown secret roles for now) other alignment, then I want the Daleks eliminated. Read the roles. Now let's look at if I'm aligned to an unknown party. Either I'm going to be civvie aligned or self(indy)aligned. Either way, there is not going to be a single case where I need the Daleks alive to win. If you care to try to prove me wrong. Offer a counter-example.

Never mind zeek, I deleted your thoughts from my quote and forgot you posted them.

zeek wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'll find out what I'm allowed to share and not allowed.

I ask for info, you say I wouldn't believe you if you gave me it, now you're fine sharing? Why?

I was catching up on the game thread at the time. I still think my speculation won't be taken well, so I'm just gonna hold off on it for now.

Plus I know that I can't be lynched today, so I'm still gonna observe more.

Btw, what are your thoughts now that you are back in the game?

MovingPictures07 wrote:And I realize "liar" was a strong use of words, but will you stop making posts like that before you thoroughly fact-check them?

Is that because you forgot Chris is a civ? You never backed off your accusation of me a few days back, which in fact, never did involve "lying".

Linki: more of the same

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was wrong about you being a Dalek, but you flipped not only Lucy Saxon, but "recruited". Whether recruited by The Master or recruited by this recruiter, nonetheless you do NOT have the civvies' best interests at heart.

That is the wrong assumption to make. First off, there are two other secret roles. Nobody (publicly) knows who they are, where they are aligned, or what they can do.

I wouldn't be surprised if you and SVS have BTSC. There's a couple other players I wouldn't doubt having it with you either. What I wonder is if that is a pro-town or anti-town team.

Linki: woof woof

Fixed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
LOL, I've defended S~V~S practically all game, so her role possibilities should be obvious. And my role is obvious, so...

You still going to argue one of us is the recruiter?

I'm willing to consider S~V~S has been recruited, though, I guess. I haven't been. My role would be an awesome one to have, so I honestly don't know if the recruiter can recruit anyone because that would be unbalanced, and considering I haven't been, it lends credence to that.

Why the hell would anyone listen to you anyway, confirmed baddie?

Oh that's right, I'm a Dalek.

Yes it's obvious that you are a certain role, and you've pretty much roleclaimed for SVS now too.

But I'm speculating over the two secret roles.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
It could be AAAAANY number of people, but it's definitely not SVS or MP.

LOL, I've defended S~V~S practically all game, so her role possibilities should be obvious. And my role is obvious, so...

You still going to argue one of us is the recruiter?

I'm willing to consider S~V~S has been recruited, though, I guess. I haven't been. My role would be an awesome one to have, so I honestly don't know if the recruiter can recruit anyone because that would be unbalanced, and considering I haven't been, it lends credence to that.

Why the hell would anyone listen to you anyway, confirmed baddie? [/quote]

Oh that's right, I'm a Dalek.

Yes it's obvious that you are a certain role, and you've pretty much roleclaimed for SVS now too.

But I'm speculating over the two secret roles.

Chris wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:TH, watch yourself with MP. I also believe he and keys are recruited.

And I VERY strongly believe SVS to be the recruiter.

You're wrong. I'm not recruited and S~V~S is not the recruiter. Not sure about Keys, but my gut tells me he's still the same old civvie.

We don't even know how many people have been recruited, so...

It could be AAAAANY number of people, but it's definitely not SVS or MP.

MM, are you still recruited, or did you revert back to your original win conditions?

Did you ever find The Master?

I'll find out what I'm allowed to share and not allowed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:TH, watch yourself with MP. I also believe he and keys are recruited.

And I VERY strongly believe SVS to be the recruiter.

You're wrong. I'm not recruited and S~V~S is not the recruiter. Not sure about Keys, but my gut tells me he's still the same old civvie.

We don't even know how many people have been recruited, so...

It could be AAAAANY number of people, but it's definitely not SVS or MP.

Hedgeowl wrote:This would be a very different game if everyone took theories as stated fact. I won't name names, but some people change their mind every post. Do you mean specific theories or just in general?

Specific theories. Same thing happened which convinced MP that I was a Dalek. I was certain about my case for Dana, and then I offered a theory that did not support my argument, and MP jumped all over it.

It's as if hypotheses and playing devil's advocate is not allowed. Everything I say is EXACTLY what I mean, you know.


That said, I understand that not everyone all the time signals that they are being hypothetical.


Linki: I could take a look at DF. I remember supporting his ideas early on, but then he made a post around Day 4-5 that changed my mind.

Turnip Head wrote:BR, if it helps any re: DF, I think that some if not all of last night's targets were redirected.

I'd be willing to bet that the latter case was the result, not the former, as in all actions were redirected.

I can make a guess as to why too.

Chris wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I will be looking again at DF, snow, and possibly bass as possible Cybers for today's vote. I think it unlikely that Epi is cyber at this point.

i am sick right now, so I will be checking in, but maybe not as sharp as some have come to expect.

Linki I know LC. It's either the stupidest or smartest strategy ever.

Hedgie, if you're the recruiter, I'm never playing in any mafia game you ever play in again.

That being said, MM was basically a vanilla role at that point, but the whole thing for a recruiter to win the game is numbers. It's all about numbers.

And there's no way a recruiter would ever lynch their recruit for the cred.

And before that point... no one even knew a fucking thing about the recruiter.

That is a baddie move Chris. Throwing a teammate under the bus. Just because you would not do such a thing, does not mean it would never be done.

And there's that other important part you mentioned. If I was recruited by this secret recruiter, then I am just a vanilla civ. Why not throw me under the bus.

And no I'm not trying to prove whether or not Hedgeowl is the recruiter, but I am saying that she would have to be a baddie recruiter to make that move IFIFIFIF she is such a role. I'm being a little intentionally obtuse, but I'm trying to help you understand.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

I don't understand why even a baddie Hedge would kill her own ally.

Civvie credibility of course. Sacrifice a teammate (who's under suspicion anyway), to clear your name from the suspish lists.

Yep, I did it all for the civ cred.

I don't understand this strategy at all. We know you were recruited, and now you are saying yes this person here recruited me and then lynched me for the civ cred? Is that right? It feels like you are essentially proving I am not on the recruited team, which again doesn't make any sense to me.

In this quote pyramid, I posted a BIG capitalize IF, which means I'm being hypothetical.

I think y'all are just taking everything stated as fact (not just from me).

Chris wrote:I'm sorry Bass. I misread your post.

But my point still stands. This has been discussed, at length. If The Master could recruit, he'd be STUPID powerful.

Surviving 3 attempts on his life. A kill every other day. BTSC (if found).

If he was able to recruit, it would be terribly unbalanced. Not to mention it says nothing about it in The Master's secrets, and I even asked.

Chris wrote: Also also:

I asked the hosts if there were any more secrets for the roles other than the ones lists. They answered there were not. The Master's role says nothing about recruiting.

So adding a secret unknowable recruiter sounds more balanced to you? Sounds intense!

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

I don't understand why even a baddie Hedge would kill her own ally.

Civvie credibility of course. Sacrifice a teammate (who's under suspicion anyway), to clear your name from the suspish lists.

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

Never mind, still catching up and responding.

Linki: I can accept that.

zeek wrote:I presume he doesn't need to be rezzed by anyone. The Doctor regenerates when he dies.

The Doctor regenerates when he is "lynched" (based on MP's revelations), and MP was NK'd. These are not the same.

zeek wrote:

Chris wrote:MP, you say you know exactly why no one was lynched last night. Can you share? Also, you never mentioned how you were rezzed? Any idea how that happened?

You don't know why MP was rezzed? Surely it's pretty obvious by now.

I do not think it is obvious, do explain.

Chris wrote:And zeek, I totally get the urge to vote MM out right away... but I think we've got more pressing matters to attend to.

Do it. I dare you. See what happens.

S~V~S wrote:In any case, both zeek & MM are off the table today, so

Faraday surviving a Strax kill makes me less inclined to suspect him rather than more. He does seem a bit blendier than is usual even for him, though, so maybe he needs a reread.

Tomorrow, since I am out for the night

xox happy mafia players

It read to me that Strax's kill failed, not that DF survived it.

zeek wrote:Woah guys, I'm not connected to MM in the slightest. I was killed first attempt by a cyberman. Can't be any of the baddies left.

There are secrets am stuff I'm sure. You were rezzed after all. But yes, zeek and I are not connected on this rezz, that I'm aware of.

zeek wrote:MM, you're totally getting lynched soon so you might as well tell us whether you were recruited by the Master or the secret recruiter. My thoughts on the recruiter role are that its possibly either the Great Intelligence or Davros. Both of those are big characters that haven't been included so it'd make sense one of them was the recruiter.

1) I'm pretty sure that's info-dropping.

2) You probably wouldn't believe me anyway. I'll try to let my play do the talking instead.

I also had many of the roles figured out before you all so rudely lynched me.

Anyway, I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.

S~V~S wrote:Let's hope MM does not do too much mischief before we can lynch him again.

Thanks for the welcome.

Long Con wrote:Jason Maher clock back [/size]:nod:

Oops, I almost misread this.

bea wrote:OK my sweet pets. I had a hella crap day at work. I'm just getting in and am just now caught up. I'll try to prep as much as I can so that I can make this happen as fast as possible. It's much harder to do things quickly IMO with the vote switching - especially with close voting. But I know this has been a particularly passionate day and many peeps are waiting to go to bed. So I will be as prompt as I can.

Because I love you my sweet players.

Cheers from the west coast.

*raises bottle

zeek wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Chris wrote:

Dom wrote:This is already the longest Mafia thread by post count on the site, holy cow

I'm sorry.

mp and zeek started it.

Can I get a rezz to continue building the count?

Can you rezz me too? We'll make so many posts in this thread, we could build a fence around Canada.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm going to try and do this without referring to any one person specifically. Because I'm genuinely hacked now.

The main point of this game is to have FUN! I'm starting to see more asshattery (even after bea stepped in and said something). The name-calling and trash-talking stops NOW. The next person I see say anything negative about a person or launch a personal attack instead of playing the game is getting modkilled. If you are frustrated, you have two options:

1) Walk away and calm down.

2) You have people you may reach out to and PM. You have myself, bea, and llama who is modding this game. We have tough skin and if you're frustrated about something, we're more than willing to listen to you vent.

I'm sorry I have to make an announcement like this, but as of now, we're turning over a new leaf and starting fresh. So please enjoy the game for what it is and make it nice for everyone else. Thank you.

Thanks BWT, let's move back towards a fun game, k peeps?

S~V~S wrote:Has anyone said what prizes the dead baddie MM won?

I hope it's something shiny.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I missed the first two games, but I won the third game; MM won the fourth. So...

MM - 2
Hedge - 1
Me - 1

Go team Zombie!

I can't remember who won the third game, but I also won the fourth.

bea wrote:
You have 8 hours to lynch a baddie.

Lol, everyone's gonna wake up and it'll be nighttime already.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:(because it's over 40 miles away and traffic in and around Cincinnati is gridlocked sometimes in the morning).

Yes another reason I left that city.