The Syndicate

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

Smash her face then!!!!!

Cyber-smash. Here I come SVS!!!!!

5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

I think it was worth it, especially for the drfunkities.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Correct. I know that you had already addressed it, and I find the whole subject to be quite sensitive anyway.

Sensitive? I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject.

I don't know if that question is rhetorical or not, but I'll answer it anyway.

Yes, it is a very sensitive topic.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

I don't know, but saying something such as "Hey, you don't have info on me" seems like a reflexive response from a baddie. LC just said that he doesn't, so emphasizing that point seemed unnecessary. Perhaps I am reading it too deeply.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Correct. I know that you had already addressed it, and I find the whole subject to be quite sensitive anyway.

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.

Yes it does actually.

Can you clarify why someone having been a civ means we should follow their beliefs? BF thought TH and I were baddies who had decided to distance by having him call me by the wrong name. If I list off 10 people's names who I'm totally sure are 100% bad, and you lynch me, will you then lynch all 10 people even though more than half can't be bad?

Because they know everything, of course.

And yes, if you were to list off 10 players' names, I would hound them until either I was dead or they are dead.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Is there anyone here who speaks English that can translate my posts into Syndicatese so that people can understand them?

Yes, there is certainly a person like that here.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

@LC, I think TH being bad has a pretty strong dependance on Epignosis being bad. Since you are the second voter, if Epignosis is lynched, then you might get an item from him that could help reveal some things.

I don't have any stephen's harry keeblr gifs so I'll just recycle oens from Death Note.

LizKeen wrote:You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

I'm snipping this part because even if I am sober I bet it wouldn't make sense.

LizKeen wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Yep, pretty much.

LizKeen, who is Zompatti?

Also, I've been listening to a lot of Porcupine Tree this day phase in memory of DP. RIP ol' buddy!

Here's some points and shit on Epignosis. I'll keep them in chronological order.



Day 1 saw Epignosis make a lot of joke posts, as well as have a ton of interactions with Golden and blindfaeth. He set himself up early by accusing blindfaeth and Golden of buddying each other at the beginning, and continued to accuse them throughout the day. Not much to see here, aside from both blindfaeth and Golden pushing an Epignosis lynch.

I've pointed out this quote before, but I'll pull it again.

Epignosis wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

Now that's interesting, right there.

The point I made earlier and I'll make again is that this reaction is a perfect set up to slide one way or the other while Epignosis waits to see what the others have said. A weather vane point with the wind, if you will.

Night 1, I brought forth a theory on SVS and Zomba, which I thought had some strong potential. Epignosis disagreed with the ideas behind the theory here and here, though never addressed the theory itself.

Come Day #2, some strange things happened that resulted in my lynch. I still find them strange. Night 1, Epignosis debated some things with LC and rabbit, TH made some little comments, but nothing really relevant. At the time, I found this suspicious, because TH specifically said "I like where this is going". Now, Epignosis stated early on in Day 2 that "My #1 man is still Metalmarsh, but never followed up on it (except with a vote). No reasons why, but TH followed up on it with a case. Epignosis did however make some other joke posts, such as lying that I had self-voted (for who knows why) and dropping some implications into the thread such as "Black Rock is out Night 1". Anyway, the result was my original lynch.

Then there is the Zomba lynch, which Epignosis was so dang proud about. I recommend anyone who has the time and energy to do a reread of Epignosis. Zomba had been a hot topic all game up until her lynch, at least from the moment that blindfaeth brought her name forth. Epignosis was willing to debate the will with Golden and blindfaeth on Day 1. But when it came to Zomba, hardly a mention until the votes piled onto her on Day 3. There were a few joking interactions between the two, but Epignosis only mentioned Zomba seriously on two occasions. Here he mentions Zomba to support a suspicion of LizKeen, and the only other time was in the above pulled quote I already mentioned. It's one thing to think someone is good or bad, but to ignore the idea altogether is a different story. Considering in the quote I pulled up above that Epignosis pointed to the one particular comment from Zomba as "interesting", it should be a surprise to everyone that Epignosis did not pursue it.

Another observation I will make. On Day 4, Epignosis voted for Dom, with the intention of voting for the player he found suspicious. No he did not say so, but he did agree with me that lynching Dom was not plausible. Why didn't Epignosis do this on Day 3? Throughout the day, it seemed clear that LizKeen was Epignosis's number one suspicion. Yet come Day's end, Epignosis placed the obvious crucial vote to tie the lynch between Zomba and Vompatti. Not only this, but he placed the vote on Vompatti, Luckily, Zomba was lynched anyway, and Epignosis looked the fool.


Let me simplify Epignosis's daily cases.

Day 1 - blindfaeth brought information to the thread, so he is bad.
Day 2 - Metalmarsh self-voted Day 1, so he is bad.
Day 3 - LizKeen quoted Vompatti, so she is bad. But he voted vomps anyway even though he had no suspicion of vomps.
Day 4 - Dom spoke like a politician, so he is bad.
Day 5 - ???

So, vote Epignosis please. Stop listening to him and people who have been wrong.



Damn I'm tired, but now I have beers in me. More Black Butts.

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

You have 2112 posts at this moment.

I would like to hear what you think about TH as well, as I have some different ideas about him today than I did before.

Which means I should pick up some beer on the way home.

I will try, I really will. I intended to do it when I got home from classes today. But I got caught up in the current discussion instead of doing that, and not only did I lose the will to make the case I promised as a result, but I've still got some IRL things to do tonight that I've procrastinated on. Anyway, when I get back from work in a couple hours, I will try to give you all something. If I don't, well sorry in advance.

Thank you for holding me accountable though.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.

But you don't seem to care whether Golden was in the BTSC group or not or for who he wanted to lynch.

I'm trying to point out that perhaps he was onto something.

yeah, and he trusted Zomba, too so

Whats your case? I want to hear it.

I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I still think Epignosis is bad and that we should lynch him.

You have promised a case, I am disappoint. i was hoping you might convince me where LC did not. And this one might get received better as more people seem to agree with it.

Walking the dog. bbl

Linki, no Rabbit, i decided to give her the BOTD becasue had I listened to Golden about BF, we would not have lynched him. So in fur=ture, i will listen to Golden re BF. Re others, maybe not so much. You are trying to make these nothings into something, but i have been pretty transparent cause I have nothing to hide. i have been VERY transparent.

Fan-freaking-tastic.

I make cases, I get ignored. I say I'll make a case and don't, I get disappointment. What do you care? You've been emphasizing all day that you won't vote for Epignosis, and you have shown a clear disintrest in changing your mind anyway.

So I'm giving you my honest opinion.


Why the heck did you vote Sophie anyway?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I still think Epignosis is bad and that we should lynch him.

Sol, Dhoop
Sun
Ilios
Naytheet
Ah Kin
Saule
Tonatiuh
Qurax
Gunes, Grian
Surie
Ir
Samse

Yes please. I'll have what he's having.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.

But you don't seem to care whether Golden was in the BTSC group or not or for who he wanted to lynch.

I'm trying to point out that perhaps he was onto something.

yeah, and he trusted Zomba, too so

Whats your case? I want to hear it.

I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I still think Epignosis is bad and that we should lynch him.

rabbit8 wrote:OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.

But you don't seem to care whether Golden was in the BTSC group or not or for who he wanted to lynch.

I'm trying to point out that perhaps he was onto something.

S~V~S wrote:But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

For the record, you voted for Hawkeye (Lizzy) in X-Men even though he specifically said that he would be gone for the day, and thus unable to defend himself.

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

I don't care. He was not a baddie.

What if I pointed out that Golden did not interact with TH at all this game? Not once. And he only mentioned him once in passing on Day 1.

Then what if I pointed out that Golden did want to lynch Epignosis on Day 1, and carried suspicion of him up until his death?



You suggested to me earlier that TH and Epignosis might be Celestial buddies. I think not.

Well if you want to give the baddies a NK target, be my guest. But I did not. NKing a team of 5 is what they want.

The baddies have plenty of targets. Myself and Bass for instance.

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

I don't care. He was not a baddie.

What if I pointed out that Golden did not interact with TH at all this game? Not once. And he only mentioned him once in passing on Day 1.

Then what if I pointed out that Golden did want to lynch Epignosis on Day 1, and carried suspicion of him up until his death?



You suggested to me earlier that TH and Epignosis might be Celestial buddies. I think not.

Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Linki: I could consider a vote for Liz today. But I could just as well for MM or Epig too.

Why me?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Linki2: And yet, if you think we should lynch Liz because she's bad, then why mention not that long ago that Epig needs to be lynched? Having trouble making up your mind?

I'm allowed to have multiple opinions.

And yes I am having trouble. A lot of trouble as a matter of fact.

@BR, yes I did say that before.

Soon means I'm trying to organize my thoughts at this moment.

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

It's Epignosis who I think we should lynch, which I will go into soon.



May I ask what exactly you mean by "If one of the two feels bad to me". I know you just stated you don't think they are bad together (which sounds logical enough), but what do you mean by, "If one of them feels bad".

Also, why do you think Dom is more likely to be bad, even though you offered reasons for Epignosis being bad, but not for Dom?

S~V~S wrote:That is a cop out. One person is the millionaire. Most people are not. Don't roll your eyes at me *shakes fist*

Seriously, that is a cop out. If you did not think she was bad, you should have worked harder to save her.

But what would be the point in voting someone I think is bad if I am the only one who's going to do so? Just saying. If that person is indeed bad, there is a 25% chance that person is also the millionaire. Not only would my vote be pointless, but it would also assist the baddies.

Generally that is a cop out. But this game is different.

Who do you want to lynch today SVS?

S~V~S wrote:If you did not want to lynch her, why the hoo ha did you vote for her? YOu are the second person to say this. I just don't get that.

You're right. I should have continued spreading the vote around in the hopes of making the millionaire more powerful.

At the time of my vote, it didn't seem like anyone else had the potential to be lynched.

Anyone want to see my voting record?

Day 1 - Metalmarsh
Day 2 - Metalmarsh
Day 3 - Dead
Day 4 - Sophie, who I didn't want to lynch.

I'm having a dandy of a game right here.

juliets wrote:MM I know Epi has been talked about here and there but what convinces you, to the point that you don't care what his side of the story is, that he is bad?

I don't have a complete answer to this question, but I will try to give one to you when I can.

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.

Yes it does actually.

I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace DP. I am sorry to lose you and also genuinely confused as to why you were targeted.

Hey MM, do you believe me now that I've got your bottle?

Yes I do.

Do you believe me now as to what the bottle does?

Epignosis wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

Dammit, Epi! Beat me to it whie I tried to figure out the damn Youtube tags.

BTSC?





:P

LizKeen wrote:I feel like the Celestials and the mafia are voting the same people. I can see why the mafia would do it but is there some reasoning the Celestials would do it? Either that or there's some recruited folk.

This post feels very accusatory to no one in particular.

Is there a pattern regarding certain players that brings you to this conclusion? If so, I am definitely interested to hear about what you're seeing.

I still think we should head over to State St.

S~V~S wrote:THAT is a surprise, tbh, I meant to vote for Sophie, and voted myself by mistake, big fat fingers, little phone screen.

I still don't think it means DP is bad, though. Just that the baddies were howling with Glee in their chatroom. I also had a different person in mind for that role. So that is a double surprise.

I don't care. From now on, you have joined the ranks of the self-voters, regardless of your phone.

"One of us! One of us! One of us!"

RIP Sophie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So just waiting on rabbit and Long Con to vote.

2 smash coins says each of them votes for the other.

Awesome. I've been making "smash point" bets (that are obviously fake) all the time with Daisy IRL; it's driving her nuts. :P

I was even 50% correct.

So just waiting on rabbit and Long Con to vote.

2 smash coins says each of them votes for the other.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What if Dom is the millionaire?

Then he got a little more powerful just now, didn't he?

Now why would you go and do that?

Because I want to lynch Dom. Is that a problem for you?

Not personally, no. I'd rather lynch Dom, but I voted Sophie because I didn't think it could still happen.

Does that look plausible right now?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What if Dom is the millionaire?

Then he got a little more powerful just now, didn't he?

Now why would you go and do that?

What if Dom is the millionaire?

I'm voting Sophie. I feel far less convinced about DP now than I did before.