The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:I still say TH is Water Works.

Would you take a look at the reasons I stated for TH being a pink, and tell me why you think that is not true?

S~V~S wrote:
DFaraday wrote:This does look rather suspicious for both TH and Bea, but it seems that Bea has a fairly good explanation for her survival.
Why does it look more suspicious for them then it does for you? You also survived a Hotel iirc.

And just throwing this out there~ I did not get a PM from boo saying I got the property I bid on yesterday. So not sure who did. Maybe my last bid was too close to the end?

Linki~ it is possible. I certainly don't think he is the last unaffiliated civ.

I pretty much explained it to you yesterday. I won Baltic.

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also TH was at a hotel. Did not notice that first time around. Virginia Ave, so the Purples have hotels now, too.
More evidence that he is a pink.
Are the "pinks" and the "purples" the same group of properties? I'm thinking yes but correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, is the suspicion now that TH is a pink/purple rather than a baddie? (by baddie i mean utility or rr)

Purples are Mediterranean and Baltic (both of which died). The pinks are St. Charles, States, and Virginia. At least that's how I refer to them.

That's probably what they wanted, but I'm putting my vote on TH.

S~V~S wrote:Also TH was at a hotel. Did not notice that first time around. Virginia Ave, so the Purples have hotels now, too.

More evidence that he is a pink.

RIP Bass, I was expecting something completely different.

It's late enough in the day now, here's what I think about TH. He is not a RR.

There are now 6 hotels in the market, meaning someone bought 3 hotels. Since they are only available for immediate use, that means that they will be on the board this coming cycle.

The baby blues and greens are each four houses away from hotels, and TH bought only three houses, so he cannot be in those groups, because that would not be enough to buy hotels. Also, there are now 10 houses on the market for sale at $100 a piece, which means they came off the pink properties. There is also an additional house for sale for $1. The pinks only needed two houses to reach hotels, so I can guarantee that TH is a pink and he put that one back on the market himself.

TH is probably sacrificing himself so his teammates can get hotels. That's why he bought the houses.

S~V~S wrote:$20 on Baltic

And it is interesting that bass knew your intent before you posted it.

He agreed with me. Those are not the same thing.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm glad someone else it on board.

SVS, though the poll does not show it, I had also voted for Dego and ninja. I bolded it in the thread.
What does that have to do with bass knowing you wanted to split up Baltic & Mediterranean?

I was letting you know because you outbid me. It is unrelated.

fingersplints wrote:I guess we will see where those houses show up. Has TH bought any other properties besides possibly EC?

I have thoughts on that, but I'm waiting to post them.

I'm glad someone else it on board.

SVS, though the poll does not show it, I had also voted for Dego and ninja. I bolded it in the thread.

I think we should split them up.

$5 on Baltic

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Thinking someone made some good points (even if they were wrong, they were still good points) is not "drinking the koolaid".
I don't know how points can be good ones if they are wrong ones, but in any case, the kool-aid comment was because it looked like you were doing the same thing splintsy and MM did: saying that I was saying things I never said. The way you phrased your question to me and pulled up my old quotes, you acted like I was contradicting myself or something, and I just didn't know what you were trying to point out by doing that. I still don't know.

And it's not a problem if splintsy doesn't want to do big quotes and a fleshed out case, SVS. I never said she had to do those things. Okay? The fact of the matter is, splintsy didn't say WHY she thought I was a railroad until after I asked, with 2 or 3 hours left to go in the lynch. In fact, she didn't even say she THOUGHT I was a railroad, all she said was that she thought I was more likely to be a railroad than Water Works, which is not an accusation at all. And she kept asking LC questions, like "Do you think TH is likely to be a railroad or LMS" without giving her own opinion, and I had to ask her how SHE felt because she wasn't saying. And then she said some vague stuff like "Some of my posts and votes" made her suspicious, and I'd simply like to know what that means. Which votes, which posts? I feel these are fair questions for me to want the answers to.
I say most games that I think baddies are more likely to ignore certain posts and hope that people drop things. I feel like if you were a civvie, you would have mentioned that post earlier and questioned why I thought you were more likely to be a railroad. You were asking LOADS of other questions. Why not that one? Maybe you didn't want to draw attention to it.

I have said I think it is unlikely you are waterworks, but I still find it likely you are bad, and I don't see a real change in how you are playing since the game started, and that is why I think you are railroad. This isn't the helpful civvie TH I know. You are asking more questions rather then providing helpful insights. I think you are overexagerating the almost being lynched thing. (You had what two votes?) You are way overdefensive.

Turnip Head wrote:
fingersplints wrote:At work and then spending quality time with my niece who I may not get to see again much before I leave. THs post is too much for my phone posting. So I will try to address it later, however insulting how I play doesn't give me much incentive to want to.
I didn't mean to insult the way you play splintsy. I meant to say that it was bad form to lynch me before Keys since the only part of your case with any specificity to it was the theory that he was Water Works and knew my role. Yet you weren't voting to lynch Keys on those same merits, you went after me instead. That's bad form because it's bad logic and because it left me in a really shitty position where I had to say "well lynch Keys first then and see if he's Water Works". I felt it was somewhat personal that you didn't want to lynch him, even though you thought he was a baddie. It didn't make sense to me and it didn't leave me in a very good position yesterday. And I was pretty upset about that.
None of this is personal. I don't play like that. And actually, I thought you would have known that I really like playing with you TH, so if I was going to go a "personal" route I don't think it makes sense that I would go after you. If I had thought keys was a railroad and you were waterworks, I would have voted keys. I didn't not vote keys because I am married to him. I didn't vote keys because I did not think the role of water works needed to be lynched then and I thought he was waterworks. If I wanted to save keys for personal reasons, wouldn't it have just made more sense to not say anything about him possibly being WW in the first place?

Question for you fingers, why do you think LC has found his other partner by now, but also think that TH is a RR? According to rent income, the last two RR's have not found each other, and TH and LC have been equally as active this game.

Also, TH bought 3 houses last turn, where does that fall into your argument?

I'm not refuting your argument, I want to know what you think about those ideas, because I don't know.

vote ninja blooper and degobunny

I can't seem to vote from my phone, it keeps timing out. And I have to go. Headed to work.

S~V~S wrote:Oh crap, thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was 12:44 AM, like after midnight. I gotta cram up a second vote, I think. After his reaction to the second wave of suspish, I really think TH is, if not directly bad, one of the LMS. But not sure who is my second vote. I am tempted to go with a non voter, but I also think it most likely that non BTS civs are in that group. So

Based on how many properties have houses and hotels, plus the 2 RRs and utility left, I can almost guarantee that there are at least a couple LMS or baddies among the quiet ones and non-voters. Things don't add up otherwise, even if every NK'd player had LMS.

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Llama displayed a pattern of behaviour for you that made sense for you being Water Works. You want individual points because any individual point is exactly NOT a pattern. It's not about points, it's about building up a whole, it's a holistic view of Turnip Head.

I'm honoured that you think that my opinion alone is going to get you lynched. A trifle overdefensive, given that what I have seen is more people sympathize with you than accuse you. I hope I'm wrong.
The main reason I don't like your vote on me LC is that some inactive players will come in, see me in the lead, and put a vote there for that reason.
Curious post you quoted... instead of the post where I admit that I mistakenly thought you hadn't made money on the Green, you quoted one about, and to, Turnip Head.

No matter, your point is well taken. With a lynch this inactive, what you're describing is possible. Nothing I can do about other people voting if they don't read the thread, unfortunately.

Sometimes I do that. If I'm reading a post and want to direct a comment to that person, I'll quote that post whether it's related or not.

Since we get two votes today, one of them is going on someone from the inactive group from me (the ones who landed on a red), maybe even both. We are running very low on active players, and I feel hesitant to lynch another one. Same reason I backed off of you LC.

juliets wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
juliets wrote:I think I'm voting niju and metalmarsh but I'm going to wait a bit before voting.
Why those two?
MM because he has been quite active in buying things even after he ran into Kentucky and would have gone into negative numbers without a good income stream. Ninju has been online and could have been sending pms in even though she is not posting in the game at all. I guess you would say she's an inactive pick, though she's on enough for the PMs. Not great reasons but I'm not convinced TH is bad even though there has been so much talk about it.

What are you talking about? I landed on Kentucky this day phase. I can't have bought anything since landing there.

And I already explained why I had the cash. I've also bought powers previously that gained me some cash, including selling a property (a RR).

Long Con wrote:Llama displayed a pattern of behaviour for you that made sense for you being Water Works. You want individual points because any individual point is exactly NOT a pattern. It's not about points, it's about building up a whole, it's a holistic view of Turnip Head.

I'm honoured that you think that my opinion alone is going to get you lynched. A trifle overdefensive, given that what I have seen is more people sympathize with you than accuse you. I hope I'm wrong.

The main reason I don't like your vote on me LC is that some inactive players will come in, see me in the lead, and put a vote there for that reason.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to buy 3 of the houses for sale at $150 each. I would buy more if I could. Now the baby blues can't buy hotels, and if just one more house gets sold, the greens won't have enough to build hotels either.

Unless you are part of the greens.

I've already stated that I'm not buying any more houses on Pennsylvania so that they can't buy hotels. You all would be able to see if I bought houses at this point anyway.

Long Con wrote:Ok, I chose my vote, and it reminds me that someone was asking if I still hold my earlier suspicion of Metalmarsh. I hold it enough to choose him of the five people who have landed on a Red Hotel and survived. S~V~S has a really good reason, what an awesome influx of cash that was for her! Nijuu was second most likely for me to choose.

*votes Turnip Head and Metalmarsh*

What was that, Day 2 when you originally had that suspicion, how convenient.

Long Con, I have Pennsylvania Ave and earned $1000 from the bank on it this cycle, so I essentially broke even.

boo, there are 26 houses on the board, but 8 houses left in the market. That adds up to 34, but I thought there were only 32 houses available?

Pennsylvania RR gained $50 in rent this turn. Since Short Line is still on the market, it looks like one of the living RR's (Reading or B&O) managed to acquire Pennsylvania RR. It also looks like they don't have BTSC yet.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:RIP MP.

It looks like Nijuukyugou has got some serious loot to be able to land on Illinois and Pacific and be able to afford rent on both.

Pacific doesn't have hotels, so Ninja Bloops wouldn't have to pay that rent.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not surprised.

I was not expecting that at all, and am quite upset.

A late night for boo I see.

I think you're a bit late MP.

Yay someone else is bidding this time.

$11 on Boardwalk

$1 on Boardwalk

Ninja bloops is online now. Hope she sees this.

boo wrote:
Long Con wrote:How can the reds put up their nine houses for sale AND still build hotels?

Don't you exchange the four houses back to the bank when you upgrade them to hotels?

So, if I had a property group with four houses on each, then I could build hotels and then put those houses on another property group (assuming I somehow had two) for FREE?

These questions are for boo.
There were still houses left when they made the switch, so they paid $300 to go from 3 to a hotel on each, skipping over the 4th since they could have bought them but would have just had that turn around and included them in the 9 being sold in thread, which wasn't necessary at that time.

When houses are returned for any reason (which is the case with the 9 reds, that money isn't going to them, they upgraded to hotels which lost them control of the 9 houses they did have) they get sold in thread at the price the person who bought them paid ($50/$100/$150/$200).

Based on this, I think it's safe to assume that all three red players are also active players, or at the very least two of them. Having all three of them online at around the same time would be a requirement for them to skip the fourth house and build hotels. Same deal for when they bought their first three houses. It probably happened all at once, and you have to build evenly.

Linki: I just had one, but I had started those post a bit ago.

Turnip Head wrote:And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as confrontational or harsh. It's not my intention. I'm just exhausted from having to defend myself day in and day out this game. It's been one thing after another.

I don't see it as harsh, just as someone who has a lot of pressure on them.

I've caught up a little, but I'm off to class now. I'll respond later.

I switched to keys. I gotta run now.

Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.

You also think keys is WW, so where does that put your stance on fingers? What if keys is WW, can you still deny fingers' allegations?

TH, your case on keys was very compelling. I know you're trying to save yourself, but I still don't like that reasoning

Turnip Head wrote:Keys wants to quit anyway. Let's lynch him and see if your theory is right splints. You're putting the cart before the horse if you vote me without knowing keys' role.

Let's lynch someone because they don't want to play? If he's civ, we're better off with him alive than dead.

Linki: I think you have to top my bid of the same amount.

I was comparing the kill skip to being a team player, so I guess I misunrstood that point fingers.

SVS. I feel the same about today. 18 players left and only 6 votes in. I know fingers hasn't voted and TH usually pops in near the end to vote, but that leaves 10 more players unaccounted for.

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Why do you think I'm a railroad splintsy? That's a new one...
It shouldn't be new because I have said it before.

fingersplints wrote:I think LC has good points but I think TH is more likely to be a railroad.
I do not believe he would waste a kill purposefully, and I do not think he would go against bwt that early if he was his teammate. I have been teammates with TH twice fairly recently, and he is a very team oriented player.
I don't have any concrete case or anything if that is what you are expecting. There is a vibe I get from some of your posts and votes, and your interactions with people.
Plus how I believe keys would have played a WW role and his vote for you.

With his partner dying on Day 3, WW is the same as a SK at this point. An indie can't really be a team player.

I would also like to buy one house on Pennsylvania for $150 if that's the price I can pay.

5 votes for $75
Vandalism for $75

Keys seems like too easy of an out. I'm voting DF, being the most active of the survivors to land on a red this turn.

Well, I'll be back on later to vote, probably.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:RIP Zeek.

As for the case on TH . If TH is Water Works he is super brave for trying to get people not to vote Water Works.

He's not the only one. I don't even think he was the first, but he may have been the most extreme.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epig is always very opinionated when he even slightly thinks I am bad, and in 5 whole cycles he never said anything against me. I haven't killed anyone.

I can think of other ways that you could be bad that doesn't involve killing people.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I could see almost anyone having reason to kill Epig and S~V~S; they're both frightening. Epig was doing a ton of baddie hunting and had some success. Any player as an RR would IMO see him as a threat over most everyone else.

Good point. I have a thought to add to that. Why didn't WW try to kill Epi or SVS? Also, why did the RR's wait until Night 5 to kill Epi?

But WW is an enigma right now. I don't know if he/she is toying with us, or just an inattentive inactive.

Dom wrote:

What the hell do you want?

bea wrote:It's hard to ignore TH's rebutal. If I were the role checker and I held a kill, I would have killed the railroad rather than go after them in the thread. I would have kept the idea that I was the role checker secret. I suck at being bad and I know that much. TH is way more suave than I am at being baddie. I have a hard time following that bit of logic in LC's case.

Hedgeowl landed on WW on Day 3 and was lynched Day 4. WW never had a chance anyway to kill her since utilities kill on even nights.

S~V~S wrote:Yeah, knowing I was headed that way, even when they had only houses, was why i decided against the Pricey power yesterday. I guess we know why they sold their houses now.

Linki, MM bought Llamas card, and he says he did not build.

I will buy one house to increase my total to 3. That will increase my own profit, but it will still keep the other two greens from building hotels, and therefore keep anyone from having to pay rent.

Linki: LC everyone collected $50 when someone, I think you, landed on chance. DP probably had enough then.

S~V~S wrote:I also feel less bad about llama since he apparently WAS in a LMS group.

They must have found each other Night 5, I think. The greens did not have houses yesterday, and players paid standard rent when they landed on green, rather than double.

I definitely don't see them all being red. Since they're still around, they've each passed GO once and collected a bit of rent, so each of them probably has more than $1100, and not being very active, they haven't spent much either, if they've spent any money. They each would have had to buy hotels too, and come on to buy houses the last couple turns.

But one of them being red is very possible.

Long Con wrote:So three people landed on red and paid over $1000 out of their own pockets. Supposedly.

The reds made at least $3200 that turn.

None of the people who landed on a red property died. Which of them didn't die because they are red?

Good point. I completely missed that. That's a lot of quiet players that landed there. DP, DF, and Ninja Bloops.

zeek wrote:Don't think I've got a lynch vote on this site yet, but y'all love NKing me :P

Taking a short break from Mafia now (provided I don't get rezzed), so I'll be back when life settles down a little

I look forward to playing with you again. I was hoping to chat with you today.

S~V~S wrote:So I guess that either WW is a returned low poster, or WW was goofing with us, or missed a PM. And Zeek has been taking some heat, so that is a surprise. And the Greens have houses? Wasn't llama a Green? So that means they bought the houses before he died?

Linki~ I did not look yet. Where am I?

LC was suspicious of zeek, but I'd have to double-check why. MP thought zeek was civ.

Did anyone else voice an opinion? I didn't have one, other than zeek was quiet.

S~V~S: Started on Vermont Avenue. Moved 2 (1+1) to Just Visiting. 2nd roll = 7 (3+4) moved to Community Chest (got $50 for every other living player from bank)

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