The Syndicate

And more attractive too.

Who are you gonna vote today rabbit?

Also, for the record, Long Con claimed on Day 2 that his Ivory Arrow was stolen on Night 1. Who else would steal the Ivory Arrow other than the Celestials? This makes it less likely, though not impossible, that the Celestials stole BR 1.0's elephant on the same night.

So otherwise, if DP is a celestial, that means that the Celestials would have had three guesses to get accurately who had the elephant charm. Not only that, but they would have had to know the elephant charm was worth something to them, or at least made that assumption. Anyway, they had the Night 2 and Night 3 steals, as well as the Night 2 item checker to go after what they wanted. The odds here are low, but not impossible I'll concede.

Now there is the possibility that DP is a civilian item stealer, but is that a strong possibility?

And then there is the chance that he is the blonde beast of Bermuda, and yes there is a decent chance.

LizKeen wrote:But I asked if mr. Fung if there was any advantage to one team having the item and he said no.

The newspaper says that the Elephant is a treasure of the Orient though, so

SVS has taken a leaf out of my book.

DFaraday wrote:
juliets wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:So... who are you thinking of voting for, Faraday?
I'm actually looking at Juliets right now. I feel like she's been rather wishy-washy all game (suspecting then backing off from MP, suggesting voting BF then being talked out of it, not knowing whom to vote for on Day 3). If I can figure out the multi-quoting I'll do that later.

And Sophie is sounding even more sincere in her latest posts to me.
There is a difference between being wishy washy and changing your mind because of discussion. It is not at all against my playstyle to not be decisive about a candidate on one day. I evaluate the evidence and the gut pings that I and others have and sometimes it is hard to decided who to vote. I would bet that almost everyone here has had a hard time deciding who to vote at least once during this game.
I get that, and it's not a hugely damning case in my view, but it's just coming off as a noncommittal game to me. I have to go, so I'll just vote Juliet.

I don't think Sophie or DP are bad, so this lynch isn't going to end well, I fear.

I fear the same thing, but it seems unavoidable at this point.

Turnip Head wrote:Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

You also don't suspect Sophie for what she's said and done, based on my inferences. But you are willing to go back and reread Sophie and entertain a vote for her since she has 3 votes. Yet you won't do it for DP.

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:IF DP is a baddie, then it is more likely that he is the Blonde Beastie, and not the millionaire.

TH, I know you are drawing relations between DP and Dom, so who do you think is more bad right now, and who would you rather lynch?
I do not think you have understood my posts. I do not agree with the case(s) on DP, and I think Dom is lying and covering things up. If I had to vote between them Dom would be the easy choice, but Sophie has 3 votes, so I'm looking into that case as well

I guess not. You've been unclear about DP, offering counterpoints as to why he could not be bad, but not really offering your own personal thoughts on him.

You were quick to offer a possible explanation for Bass and myself "switching roles".

Turnip Head wrote:
LizKeen wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:And while we're talking about it, I really doubt that that's what the bottle does. I think it's more likely that Epi was targeted not by an item, but by a power from the baddie camp. Probably something like this:

Roles wrote:Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

TH, Since I've posted about this before and you haven't commented I'm curious about this post. Why did you think MM was making this up and The Doctor actually did it?

Thanks for the help with the replacements. So everyone is now my little pony?
Because I thought MM was bad and so I thought he was lying about what the bottle did. Tbh it didn't make sense to me as an ability a bottle would have, so I thought he had used a doctor curse instead.

As for assuming DP is bad because he's got the two-headed elephant... I just think it's too early to conclude that. Items are moving all over the place apparently. In fact, I just ended up with the bottle item last night I'm pretty sure Epi had this bottle at some point, but I don't know if I got it from Epi or someone else.

This is an LC post about the elephant from Day 2:
Long Con wrote:So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.

Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.
I thought Long Con made a valid point about BR's elephant charm possibly being a Celestial treasure. The indy team has an item checker and an item thief, so they must have some way of knowing which items they want and who to target for them. If LC is right about the elephant being one of their five items, then maybe the Celestials stole the elephant from BR on the same night she was killed. That could mean DP is a Celestial.

DP could also be an item thief, of civ or indy variety, and stole the item from the Blonde Beast, or he could have had the item given to him by Casimer Jeck. My point here is I don't think we should jump to conclusions just yet. I would like to hear what DP has to say about this.

As for MM and Bass switching roles... it read more to me like they switched "places". Maybe they switched targets, or people targeting them switched targets, or they got to use each other's powers last night. I doubt it means they switched roles, that would be crazy and possibly game breaking?

But regarding DP. You've said that he could be any role that could obtain an item in various ways such that he is not the killer. You even offered at one point that the information was false, but I think I have disproved that. In the above quoted post, you also said you want to hear from DP. You haven't pursued that at all, and DP has not responded to what you would have wanted to hear at the time.

I guess what I don't understand is when there is such evidence that could be damning (vote included), why is it that you are quick to pass it off as coincidence, leave DP alone, and pursue Dom instead?

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TH in order to appear consistent.

Appearances can be deceiving.

IF DP is a baddie, then it is more likely that he is the Blonde Beastie, and not the millionaire.

TH, I know you are drawing relations between DP and Dom, so who do you think is more bad right now, and who would you rather lynch?

Turnip Head wrote:Okay, and what if DP obtained the charm by ways other than being the killer? What I've been saying is even if the story is true, the evidence isn't damning.

That's why I said it might be coincidence. :P

But that's also why I went back to look at his vote, and brought that forward.

Sophie feels like a player who is attempting to become invested in a game and failing. I don't see that as indicitive one way or the other. The sudden interest in Sophie is alarming to me.

Also, for all the people claiming that the newspaper often holds false information, I've noticed something about it. The charm DP has now was revealed as a result of Jeff Darrell's role. Such information is not likely to be false, unless of course Jeff Darrell is dead. It might just be coincidence that DP has the charm, but he has not denied it, so I think we can believe it is true.

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:[snipped]
I just thought it was interesting.
How?
That wasn't the reason for my early vote-- you are conflating two unrelated topics. That's a reason why my vote isn't suspicious, not why I voted early.
You know the difference.
But you didn't give a reason for voting when you voted for Zomba. When you voted for DP last night, you said you might have a busy day the next day and you wanted to make sure you voted. When you voted for Zomba early, you just said "I voted". And then after someone called you out on the possibility of you voting a teammate first, you responded with:
Dom wrote:Also-- starting the vote on someone on your own team that early in the day?
Your Day 3 early vote lacked a complimentary RL explanation for its earliness, but that's okay, you didn't need it because Zomba was going to flip bad, and you could say afterwards that you wouldn't have started the voting on a teammate that early in the lynch. This all leads me to believe that your early vote for Zomba was a calculated move, drawn up to arrive at this exact defensive strategy.

Now you are going after DP for voting Vomps late; you are harping on the importance of vote timing, but you won't acknowledge that Zomba's teammates might have thrown her under the bus yesterday. You think it's more likely that they tried to save her, that DP specifically tried to save her. I've pointed out that Zomba didn't even vote to save herself. Why would DP put his neck on the line to try and save her, when he didn't even place the tying vote? Epi later came in and tied the vote - I don't see you going after Epi at all Dom - and it STILL wasn't enough to save Zomba.

If Zomba didn't vote to save herself, judging by her behavior yesterday, I think there's a good chance that her teammates gave up on her early. Which brings me right back to Dom's vote for Zomba.

You trying to throw a second teammate under the bus? :P

Also, players that have not posted today.

Bullzeye

Pretty short list.

LizKeen wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:On one hand, I may or may not have switched roles when I entered the game.
Your other role is dead, so that's a moot point.

Epignosis wrote:Ironically, I feel like I'm the only person in this game paying any attention.
I'm kinda offended by that

Just pulling these two points out for the irony, Miss LizKeen.

I replaced in for A Person. Also, per the Day 4 Post, I may or may not have switched roles with Bass.

Are you sure you're paying attention?

@ Dom. Nobody mentioned anything about other games.

You suddenly said "And that's why you never win as a civ"

Why did you bring Epignosis's civilian record up?

Dom wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:Your anti-government bias reeks.
Not all politicians are evil. You are believing a lie sold to you by people much richer than you will ever be. Sometimes you have to be politically saavy to win a game of Mafia. And that's why you never win as a civ.
I didn't say all politicians are evil. I said that I hate government. Changing my wording only cements my thinking that you're behaving like a politician.

And I won once.

Granted, it was a llama game, and and the mafia tried to kill me three times, and I got misinformation from the host, which screwed up my spreadsheet for days, which almost got me lynched....but I won. Once.
Did Dom just call you a civ?
Let me say a few words now that I've thought about what you're saying here.

#1) I don't even know where you're getting that I'm calling Epig a civ.
#2) Baddies don't know who the civs are because Celestials.
#3) I do, however, lean civ on Epig right now.

You said "And that's why you never win as civ". Unless there is a context I am unaware of, it looked like a possible slip to me.

Turnip Head wrote:So how did everyone feel about Sophie's responses?

I have no comments on Sophie right now because I'm still trying to process what she's saying.

It's not the English Sophie; I understand that clearly. I just don't get the message you are trying to get across, or what you are responding to.

Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:Your anti-government bias reeks.
Not all politicians are evil. You are believing a lie sold to you by people much richer than you will ever be. Sometimes you have to be politically saavy to win a game of Mafia. And that's why you never win as a civ.
I didn't say all politicians are evil. I said that I hate government. Changing my wording only cements my thinking that you're behaving like a politician.

And I won once.

Granted, it was a llama game, and and the mafia tried to kill me three times, and I got misinformation from the host, which screwed up my spreadsheet for days, which almost got me lynched....but I won. Once.

Did Dom just call you a civ?

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry, MetalMarsh89. That wasn't very nice of me.

The reason I voted for you on Day 2 was that I thought you were the Millionaire, and therefore a threat to me. I believed you were using your self-voting tactic to secure yourself a spot in the next Day without garnering much scrutiny. I believed you and Long Con were teammates. I believed you might have killed Black Rock, even though I presented the idea initially as a joke.

Ha, no kidding.

Yes, I went back to look and I know you wanted me lynched, but noticed that you never said why. Thank you for an answer.

Epignosis, why did you want to lynch MM 1.0?

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Ironically, I feel like I'm the only person in this game paying any attention.
Yup, you are. You get the gold star for being the only player worth anything!
Well, okay, but you're not the person handing the stars out.
Four more and you get a dollar!
Elohcin has no idea that, by introducing a disciplinary system we use at home in a thread with no context, she has made herself look like a prostitute.
You've already done that to yourself in the speakeasy.
No, you fail at Robocop.

I didn't know I was being graded.

At least I know who Jon Anderson is.

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Ironically, I feel like I'm the only person in this game paying any attention.
Yup, you are. You get the gold star for being the only player worth anything!
Well, okay, but you're not the person handing the stars out.
Four more and you get a dollar!
Elohcin has no idea that, by introducing a disciplinary system we use at home in a thread with no context, she has made herself look like a prostitute.

You've already done that to yourself in the speakeasy.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Ironically, I feel like I'm the only person in this game paying any attention.
Yeah...
My turn to ask you one, fucking thief.

What do you make of Dom?
I'm on the fence about Dom at the moment. I have some concerns, not least of which he is that he threw the first vote on Zomba and is now trying to make DP's vote for Vomp look bad in contrast. For all we know, Dom voted for his sinking teammate first to distance as much as he could.

I'd be interested to know what Dom thinks of Sophie, and vice versa. And what they both think of Vompatti.

linki @ Dom: I guess you could say I find the timing of your vote just as odd then :P

I have certainly executed that strategy before (on BWT in Monopoly), and I can say that it works wonders.

Epignosis wrote:Ironically, I feel like I'm the only person in this game paying any attention.

SVS is all out of cookies.

Linki: Then who do you think we should lynch TH, if not DP or you?

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You originally said you ended up with the bottle, and you don't know who you got from. Also, you say that you'd rather not talk about how you came upon it. Why bring it up in the first place?
I already said why I brought it up.

You brought it up as a defense of DP?

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:So here is my main question. If Turnip Head is one of the roles that allows him to steal an item (Tim Waldo, Sophie Kratzenschneiderwümpel, Casimer Jech, Luke McCracken, or Ichabod Chang), what good would it do him to come into the thread and say he "just ended up with the bottle last night"?

TH, why do you think you ended up with the bottle?
Bitch fuckin' robbed my ass.

I see. So a guilty conscience did him in?

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:So here is my main question. If Turnip Head is one of the roles that allows him to steal an item (Tim Waldo, Sophie Kratzenschneiderwümpel, Casimer Jech, Luke McCracken, or Ichabod Chang), what good would it do him to come into the thread and say he "just ended up with the bottle last night"?

TH, why do you think you ended up with the bottle?
I was demonstrating that anything can happen with the items. Maybe DP has the elephant charm, maybe he doesn't even have it anymore, and that could mean any number of things have happened. I didn't expect to end up with the bottle last night, but that's what I got. I'd rather not talk about how I came upon it. But I didn't think DP was bad because of what was in the newspaper, and some people did think that, and so I've been interested to see how discussion has gone since then.

A couple things I want to note then.

I agree with you that "anything can happen", but I will still take that with a grain of salt. On one hand, I may or may not have switched roles when I entered the game. On the other hand, I can also attest that I still have the skull that A Person began the game with, so that item hasn't moved.

You originally said you ended up with the bottle, and you don't know who you got from. Also, you say that you'd rather not talk about how you came upon it. Why bring it up in the first place?

So here is my main question. If Turnip Head is one of the roles that allows him to steal an item (Tim Waldo, Sophie Kratzenschneiderwümpel, Casimer Jech, Luke McCracken, or Ichabod Chang), what good would it do him to come into the thread and say he "just ended up with the bottle last night"?

TH, why do you think you ended up with the bottle?

Golden wrote:Not sure if pencil is double entendre...

Maybe, maybe not. But taking a shower with you would be.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:Metalmarsh I don't understand what you are saying about Epi's comment re: his bottle getting stolen from his safe. Could you rephrase please?
Perhaps I am jaded because I am already suspicious of Epignosis and TH, but TH came in and said that he ended up with the bottle last night. Epignosis responded that the bottle was stolen from him last night. For this to be true, TH would probably be some non-baddie role.

So, I wonder if this is true.
I voted you, got the bottle, put it in my safe, my safe got cracked, someone else got my bottle, and now TH has the bottle. You do the math, fella.

I was going to use the bottle on Eloh to ask her if she wanted to have a threesome anytime soon. Alas.

I know what the math means.

And you guys should try "Gay Bob doll. He goes all the way... Ever try oral sex with a miniature rubberized homo-replica?"

juliets wrote:Metalmarsh I don't understand what you are saying about Epi's comment re: his bottle getting stolen from his safe. Could you rephrase please?

Perhaps I am jaded because I am already suspicious of Epignosis and TH, but TH came in and said that he ended up with the bottle last night. Epignosis responded that the bottle was stolen from him last night. For this to be true, TH would probably be some non-baddie role.

So, I wonder if this is true.

Epignosis wrote:If it helps you, Turnip Head, I don't mind telling you that I stored my bottle in my shiny safe, and it was stolen anyway.

Most of being doesn't believe this whole story even for a second.

Looking back LizKeen was the first one to bring the vomps suspicion to the table, which she did on Day 2. However, she voted Zomba on Day 3 rather than vomps. But she had suspected Zomba just as much if not more, so I guess that all doesn't mean much.

Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Zomb's posts make me feel a better I'd say. I'm gonna go for Vomps.
Now what if we consider DP's only post from yesterday, as well as the timing of his vote?

DP voted for vomps to push the him closer to Zomba at 7-6.
I have to say I have not really notice DP much this game. But this here makes be consider him a suspect. Also, I keep going back and forth on Epi. He seems too playful, less helpful, and a whole lot of careless this game.

And, I keep forgetting who started the vomp train on the day Zomb was lynched. Can anyone tell me who that was?

According to the polls, Golden placed the first vote. But he's been NK'd, so he's not a baddie. But here's a repost of the votes.

Vompatti
7
Golden (12), S~V~S (13), juliets (15), Canucklehead (18), fingersplints (19), DisgruntledPorcupine (21), Epignosis (24)
29%

Zomberella12
7
Dom (4), LizKeen (7), DFaraday (10), birdwithteeth11 (11), rabbit8 (14), Elohcin (16), Bass_the_Clever (17)
29%

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Zomb's posts make me feel a better I'd say. I'm gonna go for Vomps.

Now what if we consider DP's only post from yesterday, as well as the timing of his vote?

DP voted for vomps to push the him closer to Zomba at 7-6.

I believe MM 1.0 made two solid cases before he was so rudely lynched.

Linki: And LC is spot on there.

You did say Bass lol. I can't read apparently.

fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

Let me help you understand then.

The newspaper said that Bass and AP traded places, essentially. So either that is right or that is wrong. Either way, the only reason you should have to suspect me is if you think that AP was bad or if Bass (Sockface) was bad. If neither of those things held true before, then eyeing me now (and not Bass for that matter), makes no sense to me.

Why wouldn't you eye Bass?

Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote: Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan
Would that require that person to have a safe, though?

I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

You do what you gotta do.

If you're going to eye me so you can keep your original Day 1 suspicion intact, so-be-it.

Though I wonder why you didn't offer Bass the same condolences.

LizKeen wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:And while we're talking about it, I really doubt that that's what the bottle does. I think it's more likely that Epi was targeted not by an item, but by a power from the baddie camp. Probably something like this:

Roles wrote:Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

TH, Since I've posted about this before and you haven't commented I'm curious about this post. Why did you think MM was making this up and The Doctor actually did it?

Thanks for the help with the replacements. So everyone is now my little pony?

Not quite.

Sockface ---> Bass ---> MattMatt (A Person) ---> merged with Metalmarsh89.

So now I am my little pony with a marmot tattoo.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.
So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!
Who used to be a sockface.

And for those of you not keeping up.

Vompatti wrote:I can't believe Kanye West sampled King Crimson!

I would sample King Crimson if I wrote music.

Turnip Head wrote:LizKeen, what do you think of Epi? What do you make of Vompatti?

As for DP having BR 1.0's elephant charm... I'm not sure we should draw too many conclusions from that just yet. It seems that people have ended up with different items than they started with, and there's a variety of ways to do so. It also appears that false information might be able to be planted in the newspaper But it is an interesting observation and something to keep in mind. DP, who are your suspects?

As for me, I'm far more interested in the curse placed on SVS, and why Epi thinks LC has info on him, and whether or not LC will be posting anytime soon.

Are you backtracking on Epignosis?

Hey Rabbit, would Celestials do that?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:oh and MM replaced A Person. I think thats it

Also, Sophie replaced Mongoose and DP replaced Shep.

For the record LizKeen, I have no interest in lynching you right now.

Also, I can see why juliets was conflicted about what Metalmarsh 1.0 said about the Bottle. If she had a Rare Book that did the same thing (which I find quite odd in its own right as well), then it makes sense to me that she would question it.

Hey Eloh, why don't we lynch Epignosis today?

Golden wrote:I'm not surprised to have died, in fact I kind of expected it tbh. Good luck civs!

RIP Golden. I was excited to actually get to rejoin the action with you only to see you die.

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.
So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

Epignosis wrote:Enrique. Turnip Head

Daddy's back.

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