The Syndicate

A wiser man than I once said "Getting your ass kicked by the facts and giving up are two different things".

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think Wally would have voted for Barry on Day 1.
Keep in mind that Timmer was not there on day 1. He did catch up though, but I don't know how much he paid attention to the poll
Timmer did join on Day 1, though it was late. He even voted in the poll.
Oh well, forget it, I'm an idiot

I'm annoyed that Devin and Bass are not here. If we're going to vote for someone this day, I want to hear everyone

Well, we've still got 36 hours at least. But they have been very quiet lately, and Bass even missed the last vote.

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think Wally would have voted for Barry on Day 1.
Keep in mind that Timmer was not there on day 1. He did catch up though, but I don't know how much he paid attention to the poll

Timmer did join on Day 1, though it was late. He even voted in the poll.

I don't think Wally would have voted for Barry on Day 1.

Come back to us Bass!

I really need to go to bed. I'm starting to nod off here.

Good night.

FZ. wrote:Devin could be the Folder man

He had BTSC with llama though. Can the Folded Man do that?

Otherwise, BR is the only living player that has not claimed BTSC with someone.

Long Con wrote:I need to go to bed too. Please don't kill me in my sleep just because Timmer isn't available. Just give me the benefit of the doubt here. I have had no way to 'signal' people or show what my role is or prove it. My power is weaksauce, I took a chance on some map BTSC with rabbit, but otherwise I have met up with nobody. I don't want to get default-killed just because I haven't roleclaimed, that's bullshit. I'm not a New Rogue.

Let's pick this up after a night's sleep. Please.

Linki: That was an awesome night. Items from dead players reflect the players' role ability, I have discovered that. And there are items that can be used repeatedly, and items that can be used once. I can definitely confirm that fact.

I think we should try to lynch somebody today if we can (and I apologize if it ends up being you). Day 3, Day 6, and Day 9 had shenanigans along with them, so Day 12 might also.

And also, the longer we push things back, the better chance the New Rogues have of moving and gathering more items.

I need help rereading Devin tomorrow, because he deserves a look at least.

timmer wrote:
Long Con wrote:
timmer wrote:Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?
I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.
But only once. Read through my posts, LC, for the whole game. Look at how many times I suddenly changed gears on someone, or asked someone very specific questions. Why did I wonder what Devin thought of TH for a time, for instance. Argh, fuck it. I'm going to bed before I rip my tablet apart.

What makes you say an item can only be used once?

Long Con wrote:
timmer wrote:Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?
I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.

You know what I just realized? This might have something to do with that night you and I were drfunking mafia. I stated where a gravestone was located here, and even suggested whose it might be here.

I never did get to check out that grave, I got whisked away before I could move there. But based on when it appeared, it had to be either DFaraday's or fingersplints'.

timmer wrote:Then how t the FUCK did I know svs had done her action on the wrong night, MM? Which New Rogue does that? You are fucking WRONG.

That is a mighty good question that I am not privy to the answer.

FZ. wrote:MM, how sure are you, given that the information could be true or false?

Look, I feel like I'm pushing the boundaries pretty far right now as far as rules go, so I will not answer this question. But considering the Pied Piper is pretty much Pro-Old Rogue, I think he is worth trusting.

timmer wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:6AM: The signal of Central City's local TV station is hacked into and the following message is displayed on the network for approximately 5 minutes before being shut down.

"Hello everyone, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Anyway, I've talked to various people over the past few days (both NPCs and players alike), and I can say with certainty that our friendly neighborhood spy is no longer with us. In addition, his not so friendly relative from the same realm/universe might be gone too. Happy lynching!"
This is just simply wrong.

I hate looking at things as absolute, but I just see no possible scenario right now where you are not a New Rogue.

Long Con wrote:MM, I am not a New Rogue. Please don't do this. Let me offer an alternate solution.

Pied Piper – A part-time Rogue who’s going undercover to help Wally and Barry. He cannot be lynched unless Wally is dead. He is given information every night by an informant that may be true or false. Each day, he can post a message about his findings.

We need to put the votes on YOU, Metalmarsh... end the day then, and start the night, where Wally can kill Timmer (or at least attempt to, given that he may be Girder). If that doesn't end the game, then we can move on to another lynch and sniff out the last New Rogue. If the kill fails, then Timmer is Girder and we lynch him.

The only kill left in the game is Wally's. We don't have to be so brash, I want to see this endgame very badly, please don't execute me. You don't need me dead to win.

Linki: oh.. so you already thought of that plan.

I did, and you voted before you stated the plan I expected you to state, so I thought I'd toss a vote your way again. :P

Actually, I would rather lynch Long Con today. I don't understand why he put his vote on me just now, after it was on Sophie.

FZ. wrote:Oh, okay. Thanks MM. What's your opinion on ending the day early?

That would be pretty nice, and Wally West gets to kill tonight, so he could go after his top suspect, and we could see where we stand tomorrow.

Or, we could lynch me today.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Mirror Master – A mercenary who has access to the Mirror Realm. He can spy on a player during odd nights.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights.

I believe these are the two referenced roles.

@FZ: I don't know how you feel about everyone, but my opinion is that you, Sophie, and Bass are not New Rogues. I have no clue about Devin or BR. I am 100% on timmer being New Rogue, and suspect that Long Con is either a New Rogue, or in league with them.

I've got a pretty good idea of what the message is saying. What about you guys?

Long Con wrote: The tied lynch... you lost it...

I don't know who won or lost that lynch. All I know is I didn't die, nor did timmer.

Mister Rearranger wrote:6AM: The signal of Central City's local TV station is hacked into and the following message is displayed on the network for approximately 5 minutes before being shut down.

"Hello everyone, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Anyway, I've talked to various people over the past few days (both NPCs and players alike), and I can say with certainty that our friendly neighborhood spy is no longer with us. In addition, his not so friendly relative from the same realm/universe might be gone too. Happy lynching!"

Well that means we've got two Detectives among us.

Oh look, a signal. Surely the Pied Piper is still alive.

timmer wrote:With 8 players left, I'd guess we've got:

2 Old Rogues
1 or 2 Detectives
2 or 3 New Rogues
2 or 3 Indies

How many Old Rogues again?

timmer wrote:Sophie, how do you feel about MM? How do you feel about LC, Devin and Bass? Your opinion is needed on today's lynch!

@MM, I wouldn't normally have even tried to list who I would vote for yet, too many thoughts in my head. But I felt like you wanted an answer. Each of the possible lynch targets today, imo, have signs that point to baddieness, and signs that point Not to baddieness. If I had to vote for someone right now, I'd be practically guessing as I've got to think about some things.

Does everyone else's potential role depend that much on your questions regarding FZ? I just thought you would have more developed reads, if you were a civilian that is.

Long Con wrote:Surely you cannot be the Pied Piper, playing it extremely low-key for the long con of a faked death.

Linki: Vote timmer please.

timmer wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Question for both of you.

If you were to vote right now, who would you vote for?
If I had to gut vote right this second? Bass 2.0, maybe? I've got a few nuggets I've got to work out first...

I know I've been said to have bounced around a bit, but damn.

You just his play does not make him a New Rogue.

timmer wrote:I have a good list of people I trust or semi-trust. But the list of lynch targets, of possible New Rogues, is too big, still. I need to work some things out.

I've made my list already. What does your list look like? You claim to have two big lists; I would like to see them.

timmer wrote:
Long Con wrote: She ain't on the poll, that's for sure.

I'm considering that MM might be the real Wally West, and Sophie is a New Rogue.
I'd be curious to hear what MM thinks of that idea.

I won't answer questions about my own role. I'll leave that for you fellows to discuss.

As for Sophie, I still stand by my Day 2 opinion of her.

Question for both of you.

If you were to vote right now, who would you vote for?

Ooh, now things get very interesting,

Long Con wrote:But WHY are you after the New Rogues? You could win with them, couldn't you?

Timmer's revelation clearly indicates that FZ is not lying about being the Weather Wizard.

I can't read apparently. I read that he would vote for FZ.

Long Con wrote:Yeah, those. You're not an Old Rogue... why are you so hell-bent on being their crutch?

I'm after the New Rogues. Are you telling me that lynching you would help that cause?

But I really don't understand what you mean by revelations. timmer said he had answers now, but I don't really know what to take from that. I don't know what questions he asked.

Long Con wrote:What do you think of the latest Timmer revelations?

What revelations?

I'm not voting Sophie, Bass, myself, or FZ.

That leaves Devin and Long Con. I don't have any reason to vote for Devin, so I'll vote Long Con for now.

Oh look, no timmer and BR on the poll.

Linki:

Yay! No Death.

Would you mind sharing your answers now? I'm feeling a little nervous about someone getting nightkilled.

Psst. FZ is a she.

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Question for the host: If the New Rogue's killer ever dies, does the kill pass on to another teammate, or does the kill die with him/her?
Neither...Both?

The kill is passed down if the killer is killed, but remains with the killer if the killer is imprisoned.
Unless TH's kill passed on to rabbit, somebody has it.
Maybe Rabbit was Plunder, and got imprisoned.

The timing of it seems pretty plausible right?

But surely a killer wouldn't inherit the kill.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Question for the host: If the New Rogue's killer ever dies, does the kill pass on to another teammate, or does the kill die with him/her?
Neither...Both?

The kill is passed down if the killer is killed, but remains with the killer if the killer is imprisoned.

Unless TH's kill passed on to rabbit, somebody has it.

I bet we see a kill tonight.

Who do you suppose TH would try to kill?

Goddamit, we already talked about the Plunder Power! :P

FZ. wrote:For what it's worth, I never intended to hint at my role. I was trying to say either SVS or TImmer was lying, and it went down hill from there. I tried all game not to claim anything. I hate that it happens. I don't know how else I could have approached this.
In any case, I won't be talking about what I found near the corpse. Thanks for letting me know MM

I actually have a pretty good idea what you found.

Long Con, why do you believe timmer? Why don't you believe FZ?

I still believe FZ. The timing and the way she discussed the Weather Wizard sounded spot on and genuine to me. I firmly believe she is an Old Rogue.

On the other hand, timmer has been more calculated and reactionary with his discussions, thus telling me that he is not who he says he is, and thus, a New Rogue. You guys also managed to get SVS lynched even though she was a completely different role than you guys are discussing.

Long Con wrote:Mirror Master.

What do you think of these claims, MM? You feel like claiming a role today?

No, that is against the rules.

But if someone puts something in the thread, I will talk about it.

For the record, I asked MR about discussing player's gravestones, and he said no discussion about the contents of them, just an FYI.

Long Con wrote:Timmer's point is valid, so we'll see what MR says for that one. The fact that no one is calling you out on it doesn't hold much weight, because you claimed only after it was perfectly clear that no one else was claiming Old Rogue, and Timmer and S~V~S both roleclaimed their roles as non Weather Wizard roles. So, it was pretty safe to claim WW. You probably could have said you were Heat Wave as well with little argument, but that comes with complications that are Roxy-related.

Help me out here. What Old Rogue role has timmer "claimed"?

I'm back, and sucked back in to mafia of course.

Long Con wrote:Timmer's point is valid, so we'll see what MR says for that one. The fact that no one is calling you out on it doesn't hold much weight, because you claimed only after it was perfectly clear that no one else was claiming Old Rogue, and Timmer and S~V~S both roleclaimed their roles as non Weather Wizard roles. So, it was pretty safe to claim WW. You probably could have said you were Heat Wave as well with little argument, but that comes with complications that are Roxy-related.

FZ first "claimed" way back here.

I give up.

I'll be back around the deadline to vote tomorrow (if I'm alive).

I can't believe we actually just lynched SVS!

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now we've got that extra 24 hours.
I don't know if we do or not. Timmer liked the idea, and S~V~S said not to.

I'll leave it up to them then. I don't really feel as strongly about the extra 24 hours anymore.

I just feel baffled right now. I don't know what's going to happen or what went wrong, so I just feel like all I can do is twiddle my thumbs and wait.

I think Epignosis was a New Rogue.

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