The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.
Stop helping lol.

Stop setting me up to take the fall if dunya flips town

I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.
I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)
Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.
This is literally just a reason to lynch Scotty.
Scotty is probably always Mafia regardless of Duyna's alignment. It's either a bus or just scum pushing Town.

Fair.

There are other reasons for eliming dunya aside from that which we've discussed til the french cows come home

*the urist townread statement is past tense

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.
I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)
Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:52 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:50 am what's the thread take on marmot
marmot is an enigma
the fact that nobody's been talking about him one way or another is >rand scum.
even in the talks about "who looks bad for pushing dunya", marmot's name doesn't come up.

I seem to be your preferred kill option at the moment, is this why?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:45 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:41 am Tbf, dunya voted Wilgy well before the discussion around vigging him, so I don't know if I'd dock her points for that.
I kinda thought he was still eligible

dunya (and I) voted for him, then the discussion around him being vigged happened, then the pro-rate patch was added by the host (making Wilgy no longer eligible at the time), then Wilgy posted himself clear anyway

I think that was the timeline.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:39 am i'm part irish so i don't have a lot of time today. i'll try to be around for deadline but it's doubtful i'll be able to do anything more than place votes.

my preferred kills today are marmot > tsp > jack

What happened to your desire to kill dunya?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:19 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:08 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:07 am let's not kill dunya
Because you had a vision in your dreams last night?
Why not dunya
wagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.

I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?

That reminds me, could you answer this question Urist.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:39 am i'm part irish so i don't have a lot of time today. i'll try to be around for deadline but it's doubtful i'll be able to do anything more than place votes.

my preferred kills today are marmot > tsp > jack

Nice

Tbf, dunya voted Wilgy well before the discussion around vigging him, so I don't know if I'd dock her points for that.

Maybe dunia is just town

Disclaimer: AtE is not inherently bad, only excessive AtE is.

Oh, dunya was town and took a fair amount of pressure in Rings of Power Mafia, so that might be another good town data point, especially since it was recent.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:24 am Wilgy's still under 10 posts for the day right?

Nah he cleared himself.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.

I don't recall if there was any AtE there.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:08 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:07 am let's not kill dunya
Because you had a vision in your dreams last night?
Why not dunya
wagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.

I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:14 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:32 am Like holy balls TSP is the 5th highest poster and I don’t remember anything he’s said besides ‘dunya is bad’
This is honestly part of why Tony is always town, here.

As a wolf, I feel like Tony meanders a lot, blending in by not being blendy, if that makes sense. He's focused, here. He truly thinks he has correct reads on Dunya and myself. Wolf Tony doesn't have those surefire reads, especially on two players that are notoriously hard to yeet, where the flexibility of his vote could make a big difference in how the day goes.
I think that this read is fine. Might be accurate, thinking back to the main things I remember Tony from (TF2 and that joated game). Kinda been hard given that while he has been certain most of his reads I feel have been contained in one liners that are walkbackable

TSP will always live and die by the one-liners, that particular posting style is nai for him imo.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:10 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:09 am Per what hk and Urist have said, figuring out if dunya is a wolf or town will hopefully also shed some light on Jack and/or TSP.
explain wrt TSP specifically?

hollowkatt posted a thunk that I liked that said something like "do town TSP and town Jack push town dunya in this gamestate", and I think that is a definite no, so if dunia is town I think it means at least one of them is a wolf.

TSP and Jack are both excellent players (as either alignment) and have plenty of history with dunia, so both of them being town and wrong on this would be very hard to believe.

You could probably add Syn and myself to the list with Jack and TSP, but I don't think Syn nor I are nearly as capable as pushing town!dunya if we're wolves.

I made a case for wolf!Creature on Day 1 around the same time as dunya did, so it's amusing to see the contrast that Day 2 has brought to each of us.

Per what hk and Urist have said, figuring out if dunya is a wolf or town will hopefully also shed some light on Jack and/or TSP.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:07 am Oh also HK is town never rescinding

Hard disagree, mainly because hk hasn't been very contrarian this game, which is what I normally expect from him.

[VOTE: dunia] aubergine

Even if she's town, a lot of the game will probably still be focused on her tomorrow if she is alive, so I do think elimming her will help with gamestate.

I also agree with some of the associatives that Jack mentioned, including Wilgy, Scotty.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:02 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:56 am Jack go look at Wilgy's ISO and tell me why he's light green.
His iso is fine. He's got a little bit of try. I'm pretty garbo at reading Wilgy, though. The biggest reason to townread Wilgy is that wolf Dunia wants to scapegoat him.

Valid

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:02 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:47 am Someone: but you know, a wolf wouldn't be the top poster in the thread on day 2

Me: points to Highway Heist Hally
nobody said this

Someone said this.

If this page has told me anything, it's that elim'ing dunia today, even if we're wrong, would be extremely beneficial.

Jack is theory-crafting

I was half-joking, but I don't understand how Jack completely misses Wilgy in his rainbow (or LP for that matter) and then puts him in at light green.

I would like an explanation for that read.

Jack go look at Wilgy's ISO and tell me why he's light green.

Jack, Wilgy, LP are the mafia team confirmed.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Your rainbow is also LP, Jack

But Jack! You didn't include Wilgy

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:51 am A rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot)
Dya (as does this one)
Scotty
Dunia

Note how there is no light green, suggesting an uncanny amount of confidence in Jack's top 3 townreads and a large section of players he considers largely passive (at least when he's been online) in the yellow zone.

3 green townreads and 1 green marmot?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:14 am Scotty, let's not call naa a game-throwing turd bucket.

I don't understand what he's doing with you either tbf
It’s a compliment. Think of all the flowers that could grow from him.

Regardless, my town read of him was hingeing on the idea that he believed what he was spouting about my tell. My digging into what he believes is my tell would tell me the truth of the matter.

Maybe I’ve missed it and it’s some bizarre puzzle, but I think it more likely that the whole thing was just a scheme for him to hide behind.
A) I get mislynched D1 because of it. NAA goes “oopsie! Add it to the statistics my bad”
B) I don’t get mislynched and I start to look like a less likely mislynch afterwards.

We’re in timeline B, and NAA just gets to shrug it off and do the bare minimum of reading people.

What other contributions has he made towards the solve of this game thus far?

I don't expect to be able to figure out his alignment based on his approach to the game. I expect to figure out his alignment based on how wolves are treating him.

I do agree with him that that because his approach isn't always apparent to everyone, it is easier for wolves to inevitably push him at some point (I've been guilty of this as a wolf), and I think it's easier to spot that than to figure out whether what NAA is doing is AI.

I dunno, that's my take on NAA

Jack and hk, since you're both here, can I hear your reads on Rask?

Someone: but you know, a wolf wouldn't be the top poster in the thread on day 2

Me: points to Highway Heist Hally

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:16 am Rask = LPP, right?
Correct. We playdd that boomer game on MU earlier this year. I wolfsided D1 and Blade vigged me

Lolol I forgot about that game. What a disaster for town

I'm definitely partially to blame

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:16 am Rask = LPP, right?

Yup. Dunia's squalid and disturbed brother

Spoiler: show

I do have a thing I want to say about rask but I don't want to say it immediately and influence reads that other people have

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:12 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:09 am What do other players think of Rask?
Lololol
Are you outing wolf?
What do YOU think? Make a case, vote me, but this is lame

I'm asking for reads on you, I don't see the problem here

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:13 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:11 am Trust jack, he's an expert
allright coach, i ll think about it

That one was a joke because that's exactly what tsp would say

Scotty, let's not call naa a game-throwing turd bucket.

I don't understand what he's doing with you either tbf

Trust jack, he's an expert

What do other players think of Rask?

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Yes wilgy, you would pocket mac

I've softened up on dunia being wolf. I thought she was spending most of her energy defending herself, and when the pressure dipped, she didn't do much in those quieter moments. But I also was probably a little harsh on her for that.

I still think she has wolf equity, but I think I'll back off that for now and give her space to work.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:56 am So, why is Dunya a wolf?

She's texting and driving

Correct me if I'm wrong rask, I think we're all theory crafting, but I think that you're labeling it as that specifically when you want to dismiss it. That's what I'm seeing here.

What I mean to say is, what "theory-crafting" am I doing, what issue do you take with it, and how is it different than what other players are doing?

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