The Syndicate

Now we've got that extra 24 hours.

But I don't know what to talk about.

Whoa.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

That is not true, I want to put my vote on the one that I think is lying. They're both telling good stories, and FZ seems legit too. Of course, there's nothing that keeps a baddie from lying and having it sound legit, so it's tough.

You want to pair me with Timmer, but I have no allegiance or preference toward him. I voted for him in the you-him lynch, he's one of my bigger suspicions. If I think he's lying by the end of the Day, I'll change my vote over to him.

I suppose you're right.

I really wish today could be extended. It seems a couple of us are still waiting to hear from MR, and some decisions will hinge on the responses.

@Mr. Host: could we get a 24 hour extension on this day phase?

I know there is some wonder about SVS saying that she has sent an action in every night, but as far as the New Rogues go, Blacksmith is the only power that gets used on a nightly basis, at least of the New Rogues that could still be alive. Keep that in mind as well.

Guys, DharmaHelper placed the first vote on llama on Day 1, the day llama was lynched. Why would the Pied Piper do such a thing?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

Maybe. I wish they would come in here before I leave so I can make up my mind.
Where is Sophie today? And Bass?

Dunno, I'd love to hear from them.

Devin posted once at the beginning of the day phase, so he is certainly not silenced, and I'd love to hear from him as well. I'm even listening to Devin Townsend's Z² at this moment.

Nope, not silenced. Lol. Just extremely busy this week (although this doesn't compare to what next week will be like :0). I'm in accounting and we are preparing for a speedy month end close.

But, after what I just posted re: SVS, I agree that Timmer is likely the one who is lying right now. He almost had me earlier on with his pity party, which is why I stopped voting for him at the time. He seemed genuine, then, but it almost seems impossible for his "role claim" to be true (probable?). I also think he was lying about DH's grave. But why? Maybe to get the new rogues to continue hunting for the detectives? (I hope what I'm saying makes sense. I read through everything kind of quickly while trying to NOT fall asleep at my desk).
FZ seems all around genuine, so she is out of this running completely.

Nah, this all makes sense to me.

And I agree about FZ.

Hooray, Devin and BR are here.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

Maybe. I wish they would come in here before I leave so I can make up my mind.
Where is Sophie today? And Bass?

Dunno, I'd love to hear from them.

Devin posted once at the beginning of the day phase, so he is certainly not silenced, and I'd love to hear from him as well. I'm even listening to Devin Townsend's Z² at this moment.

I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

FZ. wrote:LC, are you sure SVS said she tried to use her role every night? If that's the case, she has to be lying, because we don't have any old rogue alive that can use a power every night.


I'll be around for an hour or so more, but then I'm leaving and coming back only after deadline. I'll move my vote to SVS just in case. If something changes, you all move your votes from her because I won't be here to do it.

Why not just leave it on timmer then? Who do you feel is being less trustworthy right now?

S~V~S wrote:

timmer wrote:I'm not silenced.

I've sent in a PM to MR to confirm something from a long number of nights ago.

So am I right that, assuming that Roxy was Capt. Cold, that the only possible Old Rogues left alive are Heat Wave, Mirror Master and The Trickster?

In the meantime, SVS, I need to ask you. First, do you believe that Roxy was Capt. Cold? And also, have you ever, in the course of your travels on the map, found any useful items and used them on other players?

Your answers are very important.

Yes I do believe she was cc and no, I have found nothing. I have sent in movements, but have only actually been told I moved once since I had BTS with Sophie.

And MM, I have only really discussed the mechanics of one role. My error was that I have sent in an action every night. Doh. So I made a major assumption based on something that never happened.

This is what SVS said, FZ.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Reading what you both say, we're back to the three claiming old rogue. The options are Trickster, WW, and Mirror. Who seems least trust worthy to you, and I hope you don't say me

My vote is still on S~V~S pending the conclusion of the debate between her and Timmer. S~V~S has now said she tried to use her power every night so Timmer's supposed viewing of her ... well, I don't think this dance between then is done, so we'll see.

Linki: I would like MR to be around more to ask such questions. I have a few questions for him. Did any of you get a movement result from the last movement? I am still waiting for some info about where I ended up.

No movement for me, and I am still waiting on an answer to a PM as well.

FZ. wrote:Aces was professor zoom. So only zoom. He could be dead too by now. But back then, he might have not been.

MM, what does Wally West being a detective, which I know, have to do with it?

You said WW, and I misread it as Wally West.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

Let's see if I can prove he is not dead.

The last message we received from the Pied Piper was on Day 4, meaning the earliest he could have been killed was Night 3.

Dharmahelper was killed on Night 3, but timmer says he was an Indy Rogue based on his gravestone, so he probably isn't the one. He also voted for llama on Day 1.

Bullzeye was killed Night 4, though llama suspected him, so it's not him.

Spacedaisy was killed Night 6, but based on her Day 1 vote, I think she is not the one. llama won the lynch 8-7, and her vote was placed elsewhere.

rabbit was killed Night 9 by Wally, so he is surely not Wally's teammate.

All other deaths came before the Piper's last message or came via the lynch, so we know their roles.

I've come across two dead bodies in my travels, and there was nothing to indicate their role on either of them. I would say that DharmaHelper was probably Pied Piper then, and Timmer is not correct about his assumption.

Are we allowed to talk about the dead bodies we've come across? How deeply can we discuss them do you think?

Why would the Pied Piper vote for llama on Day 1 if have civvie BTSC together?

Linki: Wally West is a Detective. But for the record, I believe you over SVS and timmer.

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

Let's see if I can prove he is not dead.

The last message we received from the Pied Piper was on Day 4, meaning the earliest he could have been killed was Night 3.

Dharmahelper was killed on Night 3, but timmer says he was an Indy Rogue based on his gravestone, so he probably isn't the one. He also voted for llama on Day 1.

Bullzeye was killed Night 4, though llama suspected him, so it's not him.

Spacedaisy was killed Night 6, but based on her Day 1 vote, I think she is not the one. llama won the lynch 8-7, and her vote was placed elsewhere.

rabbit was killed Night 9 by Wally, so he is surely not Wally's teammate.

All other deaths came before the Piper's last message or came via the lynch, so we know their roles.

Long Con wrote:MM, I think Sophie is Wally West.

What makes you think she is Wally West, and not another role?

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rezz please?

That's what I'm saying, but in that other game.

It's like we''re haunting each other!

Merry Christmas Turnip Head.

Turnip Head wrote:Rezz please?

That's what I'm saying, but in that other game.

Long Con wrote:Ok, so let me get this straight - MM is out of the running for Old Rogue, so he'd like us to believe he's either Wally West or an Indy Rogue. And I don't think he's Wally West, nor has he tried to hint that he is so. Also, I think he agrees on the most likely Wally West out there. So, MM as Indy, but FZ has stepped up to claim Old Rogue? I think that's the vibe I'm getting here.

And this is all supposing that Mirror Master is alive, something we have to take on faith since we just don't know.

Ok, S~V~S, I'll choose you out of the three Old Rogue contenders for my current vote, since you asked nicely. Final vote placement pending Timmer's response. Unless he's silenced again.

I forgot to ask. Who is the likely Wally West in your eyes? I do have an idea, and I'll tell you if I agree.

Not a chance timmer is Heat Wave. Not after this interaction.

timmer wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
True, but I see more reason for the Trickster and the Weather Wizard to be alive. Their abilities have been put in play.

And since FZ has corrected me on Captain Cold's ability, those are probably the only two Old Rogues left alive.

There are definitely just two Old Rogues left, I agree there. I hope to get some answers from SVS soon, her responses will decide which of you will get my vote. One of you is lying, from my perspective, but I have no vantage on a confirmation either way from you, only her. And let's recall also that it was reported that BF was trying to find me. That shouldn't be considered insignificant, considering his role.

What do you mean me? I am not an Old Rogue, nor have I claimed to be.

This is between you, FZ, and SVS.

Linki: lol gotcha.

Black Rock wrote:Metalmarsh I am having troubles keeping up with you right now. You are putting names and titles on people all over the place, your theories seem to be ever changing.

I'm sorry. If there's anything I'm saying that doesn't make sense, just ask and I will try to explain what I meant. Most of it makes sense in my head.

timmer wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
I doubt the Mirror Master is alive, and I do think it is one of either DFarady or Epignosis.

Why is that? I see no reason to suspect Mirror Master is dead?

True, but I see more reason for the Trickster and the Weather Wizard to be alive. Their abilities have been put in play.

And since FZ has corrected me on Captain Cold's ability, those are probably the only two Old Rogues left alive.

Long Con wrote:Ok, so let me get this straight - MM is out of the running for Old Rogue, so he'd like us to believe he's either Wally West or an Indy Rogue. And I don't think he's Wally West, nor has he tried to hint that he is so. Also, I think he agrees on the most likely Wally West out there. So, MM as Indy, but FZ has stepped up to claim Old Rogue? I think that's the vibe I'm getting here.

And this is all supposing that Mirror Master is alive, something we have to take on faith since we just don't know.

Ok, S~V~S, I'll choose you out of the three Old Rogue contenders for my current vote, since you asked nicely. Final vote placement pending Timmer's response. Unless he's silenced again.

I doubt the Mirror Master is alive, and I do think it is one of either DFarady or Epignosis.

S~V~S wrote:I am not a huge fan of putting names on civvie roles, tbh. Although this whole discussion led me to notice something about my own role that I had totally missed, lol, and I want to thank the host for being incredibly gracious and not saying anything to make me feel stupid, lolol since I have been bollixing it up the whole game

I understand that, but I was trying to bounce some theories off of other players. And if you're going to insinuate and suggest that you are an Old Rogue and tell us it's obvious what role you have, then there shouldn't be a problem with me entertaining the notion for a particular role, whether I'm right or not.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Why Heat Wave? How pegged?

Pretty pegged.

SVS talked about having BTSC with blindfaeth here.

And she and Roxy came after me when I was cursed on Day 3 with the same reasons at the exact same time, here. (check the following 10-15 posts to see the connection).

So I feel pretty strongly about it.

Interesting theories, MM. But I am not Heat Wave. Just because Roxy & I were on the same page, does not mean we had BTSC. I would have screamed bloody blue murder when she was killed if I did. I am most def OR, but you have to look elsewhere for HW. I had map BTSC with BF, not role related.

This then begs the question of who Heat Wave was. fingersplints?

If you are not Heat Wave, but another Old Rogue, then surely Heat Wave died before Roxy did. I feel confident that neither Epignosis nor DFarady is Heat Wave. That leaves one option.

I have to go to work now. I'll be back later.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, if that's the case, then the Trickster should still be alive and not Heat. If so, why are you following my vote?

It depends, that is why I'm asking you about Bass. If he is the role that he hinted, it is possible that he borrowed the Trickster's power for a time.

You mean Abra? Would he be able to steal from someone who is dead?

Doctor Alchemy is the role he suggested.

FZ. wrote:MM, if that's the case, then the Trickster should still be alive and not Heat. If so, why are you following my vote?

It depends, that is why I'm asking you about Bass. If he is the role that he hinted, it is possible that he borrowed the Trickster's power for a time.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's the thing FZ. The Trickster should still be alive, right?

Spacedaisy was killed on Night 6, and it looks to me like a trap set by the Trickster. Link

What do you think?

Linki:

That's why I said that the trap could have been set before night 6. I doubt the Trickster could do such a thing every night, but that's just me. What if it was Epi, and he put it on someone before he died thinking he would probably be either lynched or NK early on, being the Epi that he is :P Or it could have been one of the others. In any case, Roxy had 2 kills, so there were two old rogues dead. She then died, and so did BF. That makes it 4. Either SVS is lying or TImmer. You give good reasons for SVS to be Heat, so it makes TImmer the liar. Plain and simple. It makes me an idiot because I thought TH wouldn't defend him like that, but at least we have him now.

linki: Timmer is not the weather wizard.

I see.

The Trickster can lay a trap on even nights. (Night 6 was even of course). My guess is that the trap only lasts one night.

Linki: I'm starting to agree. I'll follow your vote.

Btw, what do you think about Bass now?

These are all educated guess, but while we're at it, does anybody else want me to roleclaim for them.

And for the record, I think that timmer is the Weather Wizard anyway. It fits.

The night ended early on a night that Wally West would normally kill. Night 5. The day also possibly ended early on the day that timmer and I tied for the lynch. Day 7.

Here's the thing FZ. The Trickster should still be alive, right?

Spacedaisy was killed on Night 6, and it looks to me like a trap set by the Trickster. Link

What do you think?

Linki:

FZ. wrote:Wait, only Epi died on night 2 and it was CC. If he was not an old rouge, how could CC get another night kill on night 3?

I guess DF and fingersplints must both have been Old Rogues. I don't think Epignosis was one.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MM wrote:Sure he could be the Magic Mirror, but I think that's not the case.

MM, I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you weren't trying to imply that you are Mirror Master. I don't buy the "I was just winking back at you for no reason" story, to be frank, that's bullshit.

2 Old Rogues if Mirror Master is alive, 1 Old Rogue if he's dead.

I am not the Mirror Master, and I never tried to imply it.

And yes I was winking back. Maybe there was a reason, but if there was I have forgotten it. I don't understand why you winked in the first place.

I winked because "He wasn't Plunder... or was he?" fits with a wink. But since Plunder (presumably) only fools rolecheckers and not lynches, as has been discussed, that wasn't as likely as I had thought.

I may have winked because I think I know who one of the seemers is. But I may also just have winked because you did. Sorry if that answer doesn't agree with you.

Long Con wrote:Why Heat Wave? How pegged?

Pretty pegged.

SVS talked about having BTSC with blindfaeth here.

And she and Roxy came after me when I was cursed on Day 3 with the same reasons at the exact same time, here. (check the following 10-15 posts to see the connection).

So I feel pretty strongly about it.

Long Con wrote:

MM wrote:Sure he could be the Magic Mirror, but I think that's not the case.

MM, I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you weren't trying to imply that you are Mirror Master. I don't buy the "I was just winking back at you for no reason" story, to be frank, that's bullshit.

2 Old Rogues if Mirror Master is alive, 1 Old Rogue if he's dead.

I am not the Mirror Master, and I never tried to imply it.

And yes I was winking back. Maybe there was a reason, but if there was I have forgotten it. I don't understand why you winked in the first place.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Are we sure about this? And if so, are you sure there's only one left?


linki: Thanks for the list. Going to look at it

I'm not sure of some of it. I am sure that there's three or four Old Rogues dead, and if Mirror Master were dead then we wouldn't know it.

I am so confused right now.

The Trickster should still have been alive as of Night 6.

The Weather Wizard should still have been alive as of Night 5.

And I also have SVS pegged as Heat Wave.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:But it says he can kill when an old rogue is night killed, not when lynched. I feel like an idiot, but I don't get what you're saying

Oh, snap, you're right! Forget my last post (end line), MM is wrong and you are right.

Oh, you guys are right. Sorry about that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

The Golden Glider was lynched Day 3, and Captain Cold killed his second time on Night 3, so there could still be 3 Old Rogues left. Two of them I feel certain about, the other one is merely a possibility.

And no, I don't think Professor Zoom is still alive. I think that his nightkill of llama on Day 7 was a posthumous one. The flavor in the kill seemed to me that is the case. It could go either way though. I just don't think Professor Zoom is still alive, because clearly Wally West (the other Flash) is still alive.

Captain Cold killed twice and then died. Golder Glider was lynched the day before Captain Cold's second kill. That means there are three Old Rogues dead. Long Con missed the timing of Golden Glider's death in his explanation.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

It really felt like you were trying to claim Mirror Master recently. You even winked when you said it.

Oh, I see what you are saying. I winked at you because you winked at me. I didn't mean anything by it.

Linki: there are two specific players I think are Old Rogues, which is why I am pretty sure there are at least two left alive. LC listed them both in his list, SVS and timmer.

I haven't really touched the lynched baddies in the role secrets.

Nor have I listed the Detective's secrets as I have discovered them. I think it would be detrimental to them.

Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will gain a night kill for his own use.

Heat Wave – A pyromaniac and one of Cold’s closest allies. He has BTSC with Captain Cold. Twice per game, he may start a fire at a location in his ~~~~~e. The fire will destroy the location and will ~a~e ~ar~~~~ e~~~~~s of players who are currently in that location.

Mirror Master – A mercenary who has access to the Mirror Realm. He can spy on a player during odd nights. If he is checked, he will appear as a different and random role. In fact, he’s so skilled at creating ~~~~s~~~s that even if he is lynched, he will appear as someone else.

Weather Wizard – Nature’s fury in the form of a disgruntled, wand-wielding father. Once per game (each), he may force the day to end early and the night to end early.

The Trickster – The most inexperienced Rogue and a notorious prank enthusiast. Leaves a “trap” on one player during even nights. If that player is targeted, the action is reversed.

Captain Boomerang – Most heroes and villains alike consider him to be a bit unpredictable. He can throw a boomerang every night. The boomerang has a fifty percent chance to target the target’s ~e~~ ~~~~~ ~~~e. If it doesn’t, then Captain Boomerang’s ~~~~~ ~~~e ~~~~ ~e ~~~~~~~e~ ~~s~ea~.

Abra Kadabra – He is a stage magician who uses futuristic technology to put on the greatest show on Earth. As such, he has a bevy of powers at his disposal. Once each, he can: insanify, power-switch, role block, power steal, silence, survive a kill, survive a lynch, or resurrect another player.

Doctor Alchemy – May use his Philosopher’s Stone to observe up to three different players per game. For each player he checks, he gains their power for a time, but they are also given a random power.

Magenta – She is a former love interest of Wally West and has magnetic abilities. She can prevent one lynch during the game. If she does, she will gain BTSC with the Detectives.

Rainbow Raider – He targets a player each night to fire a beam of colored light at. If the beam hits an Old or Independent Rogue whose signature color matches the beam, the two will gain BTSC for a day. If these conditions are not met, the targeted player ~a~~~~ ~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~ for a day.
The Top – He may spin… really fast. Night kills directed at him will be redirected at a random player. His spinning abilities somehow gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he may choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power + BTSC and she will die.

Murmur – He is an insane doctor who developed a “frenzy virus”. On odd nights, Murmur will select a player. That player is silenced during the next day. If the targeted player targets another character during their next night, then the effect of the virus passes ~~~~ to him/her.

Girder – A man transformed into pure metal. Girder cannot be night killed.

Tar Pit – A Rogue whose body is composed of sticky, molten tar. Players who occupy the same location as Tar Pit cannot move to a new location to perform actions until he leaves.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked.

Double Down – A compulsive gambler whose skin is covered in cursed playing cards. He ~~s~ ~~a~e a ~e~ ~~ ~~~~~ player ~e ~~~~~s ~~~~ ~e ~~~~~e~. ~~ ~e ~s ~~rre~~, ~e ~~~~ ~e re~ar~e~. ~~ ~e ~s ~~~~rre~~, ~e ~~~~ ~e ~e~a~~~e~.
Professor Zoom (???????) – He wants to kill the Flash family more than anything else in the world. He’ll search every even night for a Flash. ~~ ~~ ~~~~s ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~, ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~.

Zoom (????????) – He thinks he can make all the other heroes and villains “better”. Each odd night he will Protect one player. That player will be randomly rewarded or penalized as well. If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die. ?????????

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer ~~~ ~s ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~. ~~~~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~’s ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~, ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~s ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~’~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~.

Long Con wrote:For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

The Golden Glider was lynched Day 3, and Captain Cold killed his second time on Night 3, so there could still be 3 Old Rogues left. Two of them I feel certain about, the other one is merely a possibility.

And no, I don't think Professor Zoom is still alive. I think that his nightkill of llama on Day 7 was a posthumous one. The flavor in the kill seemed to me that is the case. It could go either way though. I just don't think Professor Zoom is still alive, because clearly Wally West (the other Flash) is still alive.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things...

Perhaps TH tried to get Girder lynched for cred... I will have a look at his posts after Night 7.

Devin?

FZ. wrote:Are we ruling SD out because it looks more like the Trickster's doing?
Also, do you think Bullzeye would have voted for himself if he was blacksmith?

No idea. His vote didn't mean anything. And I guess I am forgetting about Daisy because of the Trickster thing.

Now that I think about it, it makes more sense that Blacksmith never did find TH. Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things, and TH probably wouldn't have attempted to kill someone that he had not already checked if he had taken over for Blacksmith.

Thanks for discussing this. I do feel like we're starting to iron out some questions I've had.

Linki: That's possible, but I think that was the same day that BR was mind-controlled.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

TH was the Top right? If Blacksmith had found him, that means she would have died on one of the nights when she did find him. So unless Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and found TH on Night 4, TH never gained BTSC with the group of baddies through the expected method.

This is super-hypothetical of course.

Blacksmith could very well be alive. But who inherited TH's kill? MR's earlier answer implied that a teammate would gain the kill.

FZ. wrote:What I mean is, what exactly happened on night 7? You didn't write anything about that in your list earlier. I'm sorry I don't remember

I thought about making a list. Perhaps I will if I have the time to.

FZ. wrote:MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

TH was the Top right? If Blacksmith had found him, that means she would have died on one of the nights when she did find him. So unless Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and found TH on Night 4, TH never gained BTSC with the group of baddies through the expected method.