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When the lynch is over and the votes are official. You can't declare a winner until the clock hits zero.RadicalFuzz wrote:His desire has amounted to "vote RadicalFuzz with me" so pardon me if I'm not impressed.
If one vote to four at 45 minutes till deadline isn't an off-wagon, then at what point does it become one?
This lynch isn't over Fuzz.RadicalFuzz wrote:Have you not criticized players in the past for "wasting" their votes on off-wagons?
Well I won't get you hung up on this argument, but I hope you figure it out mate! We've got just a tad over 50 minutes.Ricochet wrote:Because it's not a way to collect your thoughts, it's a way to discard them in form of a quick draw. And it's also partially a trial to correlate the GTH with stuff already said or stuff that will later be revealed, such as flips.
If I were to combine GTH with actual Going-Through-Head (get it), the response would look like
I'm not sure
I don't know
I have no idea
But that's not how GTH works and it's not how I'm supposed to "collect my thoughts" and see the pathway.
Fine, it's a demand not a suggestion.Ricochet wrote:I'm not refusing anything. How is a GTH demand supposed to be a suggestion, if that's what you mean?Metalmarsh89 wrote:If you're having trouble making up your own mind, now's not the time to refuse the suggestions of others.Ricochet wrote:I never did GTHs before and I ain't starting now. Blow my brains out.
If you're having trouble making up your own mind, now's not the time to refuse the suggestions of others.Ricochet wrote:I never did GTHs before and I ain't starting now. Blow my brains out.
Actually, I have to reconsider the DrWilgy case. My point was that Choutas and Strawhenge each exhibited suspicious behavior in this game, but also played have implied that they have information. Seaside too. Choutas and seaside were both civ, and there's a decent chance Strawhenge is too. Jay tells me this "information" does not stem from his role, though he could not explain why. This situation is annoying (not Jay's fault), but I haven't had a chance to go back to that.Diiny wrote:I've made it clear that I'm not big on fuzz's bullzeye reasoning, he's really trying to back away from that logic and not really explaining himself in a way that makes me very comfortable.
I prefer radicalfuzz to bullzeye, but I still think bullzeye is bad. see: this latest helping of wifom and my stances on him throughout this day phase.
What's wrong with the wilgy case? If you've already said, link me.
I don't agree with the case on DrWilgy.Diiny wrote:Is this to rico or me?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Come lynch RadicalFuzz with me.Diiny wrote:Who are you voting, rico?
Tell me what you think of this radfuzz bullzeye thing too
either way: why not bullzye; why not wilgy?
Come lynch RadicalFuzz with me.Diiny wrote:Who are you voting, rico?
Tell me what you think of this radfuzz bullzeye thing too
Certainly not. I forgot that Drugs could be on the prowl again.RadicalFuzz wrote:Having the lynch possibly be changed around by Drugs and losing the game is better?Metalmarsh89 wrote:A decisive tally is easier for scum to hide in, and is doubly bad if we lynch incorrectly.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Last minute reminder that shenanigans are always a strong possibility and a decisive tally is needed to ensure town has full command of this lynch. Okay bye.
A decisive tally is easier for scum to hide in, and is doubly bad if we lynch incorrectly.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Last minute reminder that shenanigans are always a strong possibility and a decisive tally is needed to ensure town has full command of this lynch. Okay bye.
Oh. GTH read = Bad.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't remember what you're talking about re: Choutas (unless you mean your actual vote?). I'm asking you for a gun to head read.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I made a similar assertion about Choutas yesterday, and you found the decision to do so uninspiring. Why the fuck would you ask me to do the same thing again today?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pick one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:He could also be a baddie who doesn't have time to catch up or he could be a civvie who has not interest in catching up.
I made a similar assertion about Choutas yesterday, and you found the decision to do so uninspiring. Why the fuck would you ask me to do the same thing again today?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pick one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:He could also be a baddie who doesn't have time to catch up or he could be a civvie who has not interest in catching up.
He could also be a baddie who doesn't have time to catch up or he could be a civvie who has not interest in catching up.Ricochet wrote:Diiny, you recently called my projections of "lurker baddies playing the lurk card" or "high poster baddies playing the high post card" as whole lotta nothing. How do you feel about Bullzeye here? Genuine civ who truly can't catch up or baddie who won't?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Bullzeye wrote:I'm going to catch up now and hopefully contribute soon!
Same question, anyone else.
If it doesn't stem from his role, where do you think it stems from, and why would you consider it not credible?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think DrWigy's "information" stems from his role.
I understand some of this. I have more to say on this topic that I just haven't posted yet. Sorry that I've gotten lazy in that department.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think people have made this assertion about my Day 2 because they're misinterpreting me treating the matter of LC like a townie is supposed to treat it. I was never certain of him, and I put a lot of suspicion out there for him to address. To his credit, I thought he addressed that suspicion pretty decently, and it did give me pause. Eventually though when the wagons were bcornett vs Long Con, I made my decision between them, thankfully it was the right one. I almost always vote on-wagon -- I don't like it when my vote is meaningless.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Jay: his most suspicious behavior has come on Day 2, and Day 6, two of the days we've lynched mafia. I've read his Day 2 material which looks inconsistent and questionable. Though he defended a flipped baddie hard on Day 6, his content looks better.
If the phase is going to end in 5 minutes, tough call. If I had reason to believe that one player was civ for reasons no one else knows, I would vote accordingly to save that player. Otherwise, I would not vote on that wagon. Asking someone to vote for their strongest town read is a high price.RadicalFuzz wrote:Let's go worst case situation. Nine players. Three Mafia, five civilians, and one serial killer. We mislynch, and two civilians die at night (Mafia kills on odd nights, correct?)
Three Mafia, two civilians, one serial killer. The Mafia can forcibly tie the vote at the last moment, if worst comes to worst. It's not far-fetched to suggest that today could be lynch-or-lose.
Metalmarsh, in a world where a wagon of your strongest town read has one more vote than the wagon of your second strongest town read, what do you do?
J3, as an aside, I find it amusing how I thought we were very similar at first but are proving to be very different. Simple things, such as vote ideology and pressure tactics.
Jay: his most suspicious behavior has come on Day 2, and Day 6, two of the days we've lynched mafia. I've read his Day 2 material which looks inconsistent and questionable. Though he defended a flipped baddie hard on Day 6, his content looks better.Ricochet wrote:I worked on this during this afternoon, but I have to go to German class now, so no time for observations and conclusion. Not to mention that, in real time, I got half dispirited on, yet again, not picking a clear lead on a baddie. I fucking hate this game.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ewP3Mba2WoVcdwbK3DSoeDzAMsn7oxCEsN0S08Scnfo/edit?usp=sharing
It's a chronology on how players alive behaved during the LC and Mac Day lynch phases. No time to do Floyd.
Text in red means negative stance, interaction (suss, hiss, etc.)
Text in green means positive (townread, defense, amiable, etc.)
Cases in yellow are my own pings, saved in real time, with an explanation to most of them further to the right.
Look it over and make some interpretations, if you will. GTG, for the moment. Back later, but possibly with only a three-hour window left will EoD, tops.
I disagree in that it is automatically a savejob if Bullzeye is mafia. I got it wrong. That doesn't mean I am mafia, it just means I make mistakes.Russtifinko wrote:For MM:
Yeah, for sure. I always want my vote to count as well, and I share your aversion to ties. Neither of those things ping me, but you did move a vote off the player I most suspect, and then a civ died. I'm just saying that if one of you turns up bad, then this immediately becomes a save job in my mind. I think you can understand that perspective, as well.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wanted my vote to count, and I didn't want a tie happening. I think you can understand this perspective.Russtifinko wrote:JJJ, I personally don't find the scum spew analysis super valuable. No offense meant here, but it reads like you go into it with your read on a player, mention how the mafia has brought that player up, and state that whatever was said solidifies your read. I know I was the one who asked you to look at more obscure things, but it just feels like a reach when I read it. That said, maybe I'm also reading it with bias since I think motel room is bad and you don't. I also think MM's move off of motel room makes motel look worse in addition to MM. If one of them is bad, I'd bet dimes to dollars the other is.
Day 6 was when Fuzz started asking players to read him scum. The timing of that is convenient, fwiw.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yes, before I asked the questions. That post was what inspired me to ask everyone else.Diiny wrote:JJJ, did you ever answer the third of the three questions you posed to the thread?
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Did he vote for extra-voting power in the Day 0 thread?Ricochet wrote:Still confused, I must say.Diiny wrote:It was d0. My bad.Ricochet wrote:What extra voting power?Diiny wrote:Also looks like Wilgy was very keen for that extra voting power on d1... wonder why :0
Gonna catch 'em all.Ricochet wrote:Stop spamming, MP, unless you want to join and help us catch the baddies.
It's amazing that we sleep at almost the same time, even though you live like 7 or 8 hours east.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My shift was changed again, so I am willfully adapting my sleep schedule to compensate. Tonight/this morning that means staying up for hours and hours.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:If I don't feel up to doing my own tomorrow, I'll just read yours and respond. I do know Monday will be rather busy for most of the day for me. Having the deadline at 16:54 will do that, so tomorrow is going to have to be my big day.
I'll leave now.
If you're talking about your spew conclusions, I'm intentionally not looking at those so that I can get a fresh perspective when (well if) I do my own tomorrow. I did read your post of mine, but I'm not going to spew-read myself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Do you have any thoughts to share about my new suspicion of DrWilgy? It's a bit of a theoretical thing and I am starved for feedback (I know you're getting there Rico, no rush :P)Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just returning to the status quo, and taking the pressure of Bullzeye in the hopes that he respond to your request.
You're not my number one lynch option, my vote for you was in jest.Bullzeye wrote:I deserve to die because I intend to respond. Not necessarily tonight, maybe tomorrow during the day since there's plenty of time. I'm still reading and don't know how long it will take. I deserve to die for being tired and slow at reading as well as not psychic. My many failures are a great source of shame.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just returning to the status quo, and taking the pressure of Bullzeye in the hopes that he respond to your request.
If we're only counting pre-postgame posts, this post actually broke the Syndicate record. Way to go MP. You're the OT champ! :PMovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what just started playing on my Tangerine Dream playlist?
Yup.MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been listening to them chronologically, so I've already had the pleasure of hearing that one again earlier this evening.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Believe it or not, I'm listening to Phaedra right now.
The early stuff is really great, but IMO you just can't beat the run of Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, and Stratosfear. All of them are so amazing.
Ricochet wrote:I still think you should get that face adjusted.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've only skimmed your spews briefly Jay. I was actually planning on doing some myself (tomorrow), and comparing results.
This game got really intense the past couple of days for me, as in I put a ton into it, more then I'm used to putting into a mafia game. So I'm taking advantage of this extra-long day period to recharge a little bit.
That said, I'm here if anyone wants to "shove anything in my face", to quote a wise man who still lives in this game.
Ok, Bullzeye. :PBullzeye wrote:Guys, I deserve to die for missing the vote yesterday. I'm so ashamedI never miss votes! I was just so tired I forgot.
I don't quite follow you here. Could you explain it again?Ricochet wrote:Hi hi hi hi hi
JJJ, MM and... well, probably just you two... would you be willing to indulge in an exercise? I'd really appreciate a double check on this.
Take the polls, look at all the close results (such as LC vs b24, Devin vs. Sorsha, Mac vs. Diiny etc.) and make some process of elimination type calculation on which players currently alive, should you take away their vote from any particular close tally, would have potentially changed the result of the poll completely. Eliminate those players from the current roster and tell me which players might that leave, in your calculations.
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks. I'll think about it -- you've put into unique words the standard Mac/Jay link that I am sure it still a hangup for many people. Do you understand why I felt this was a discussion worth pursuing?Metalmarsh89 wrote:This is the post I am referring to.
I did not actually say I'd rather vote you. I thought I did, and I know at one point I considered the idea during the Day 6 phase.
This is the post I am referring to.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm not asking you to case yourself. You mentioned a post that has relevance to our current conversation and I've asked you to retrieve it so I can see it in proper context and decide what emotions it inspires in me. I could probably find it myself, but you know your ISO better than I do.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm looking for it, and asking you meantime.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why on earth would I broadcast that? You've seen how I play this game, make an educated guess. I've given you a fair request, could you please reference the post you mentioned?Metalmarsh89 wrote:What's your goal here Jay?
I know you're perfectly capable of painting someone bad by making them case themselves, and I'm checking to see if that is the case here. I have every right to ask you a question, so don't sound so aghast.
I also know you're probably probing for reactions. I'd rather it be this possibility.
I might be doing one of those things.
I'm looking for it, and asking you meantime.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why on earth would I broadcast that? You've seen how I play this game, make an educated guess. I've given you a fair request, could you please reference the post you mentioned?Metalmarsh89 wrote:What's your goal here Jay?
Because I'm attaching one read to another, almost regardless of your other input to the game. I did not suspect you at the time for anything other than your read of MacDougall, who I suspected was mafia, and actually even said at one point that you were a more suspicious player than Mac because of it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There's the rub. Why do you think it was wrong to aggressively link me to Mac?Metalmarsh89 wrote:If you are talking about this, I did intend to say what I said. I'm not afraid to acknowledge what I have done wrong, and I'm willing to point it out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Honesty is great, but I think you may have puked a little more into that post than you meant to.
If you are talking about this, I did intend to say what I said. I'm not afraid to acknowledge what I have done wrong, and I'm willing to point it out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Honesty is great, but I think you may have puked a little more into that post than you meant to.
I've already answered, what else are you looking for?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Underwhelming OMGUS. Answer to the suspicion I've cast upon you.Metalmarsh89 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay
I'll be back with my ISO sometime tonight or tomorrow.
Wrong term.Ricochet wrote:It's a smear job if it makes the civilians mislynch the smeared person.Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's only a fine smear-job if you're willing to lynch me after that flip. Are you?Ricochet wrote:I forgot that Straw's death also means he got suppresed from ever developing further thoughts on his MM is bad m'kay theory - if he ever planned to, that is :slightrolleye:. This makes me believe either MM has pumpkin-sized balls or it's a fine smear job by the real SK.
As for you question, I don't know.
Wait, after what flip? Straw didn't flip.
