The Syndicate

Here's a color-coded look at the lynches the past 4 day phases, all of which had either motel room or Dr. Wilgy as viable lynch candidates.

Blue = awesome civs
Red = Robb's noses
Orange = Mama's llamas
No color = all living players of unknown alignment

Day 7 Lynch

Boomslang
4
Draconus (11), Sorsha (19), DrWilgy (20), Metalmarsh89 (21)

Dr. Wilgy
4
FZ. (12), DharmaHelper (14), nijuukyugou (17), Boomslang (18)

Metalmarsh
4
Matt (8), MacDougall (13), bea (15), motel room (16)

Day 8 Lynch

Dr. Wilgy
6
DharmaHelper (8), Metalmarsh89 (9), Draconus (10), juliets (11), motel room (14), bea (18)

Draconus
5
MacDougall (3), DrWilgy (5), Sorsha (13), Matt (16), FZ. (17)

Day 9 Lynch

Draconus
4
motel room (13), Sorsha (21), MacDougall (22), Matt (23)

motel room
6
DharmaHelper (11), Draconus (14), FZ. (16), juliets (17), Metalmarsh89 (18), bea (20)

Day 10 Lynch

Metalmarsh89
5
MacDougall (2), Matt (7), juliets (10), motel room (11), bea (14)

motel room
3
FZ. (12), Metalmarsh89 (15), Sorsha (17)

Ricochet wrote:Anything to say about my new ISO on you? Anyone else even reading those? Or do you think I'm just some fried snow, hot dog selling prankstee? :holloweyes:

I read the conclusions. If I want to know more about the player in question, or it's something related to me, I check out the ISO's more.

I think we should be looking primarily at the voters of Draconus on Day 9. And they are...

Draconus
4
motel room (13), Sorsha (21), MacDougall (22), Matt (23) 17%

As for the night poll, I haven't decided yet.

I don't know!!!

Ricochet wrote:If the rezz poll is by any chance real, I don't see which players, except sig or Fuzz, can still help us on a one, two Night at most term.

It depends. Would you rezz someone for their role ability, or rezz someone who can and is willing to catch up on (most of) the game and offer educated insight?

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Then what of juliets dying? Wouldn't that hint at MM's role?

linki: ok, I lold'
I don't know what to make of the circumstances of juliets death.

Linki: I think it would be weird Mac. That means each team would kill every third night. That doesn't seem logical.
Don't buy it.

You hinted at your role being shrouded in secrets.
You must have received something by winning N9 yesterday.
You could be a bomb.
Motel had the skill to remove a vote, yet still lost 3 to 5 (or 2 to 5, if the case).

I don't buy that it didn't have something with lynching you.

If I did win anything from the result of the Night 9 poll, I couldn't talk about it anyway.

If a bomb was placed on me as a result, I did try to get voters to move elsewhere as much as I could. Still, this has nothing to do with my role, or any of my knowledge of this game.

Ricochet wrote:Then what of juliets dying? Wouldn't that hint at MM's role?

linki: ok, I lold'

I don't know what to make of the circumstances of juliets death.

Linki: I think it would be weird Mac. That means each team would kill every third night. That doesn't seem logical.

MacDougall wrote:My guess is that one of the people who voted for Motel Room had extra votes and Metalmarsh can remove votes off him as per the read on him earlier.

Metalmarsh I don't think you expected to live, so I don't think you removed enough off you. I'd say you had help.

Here's a crazy thought... three scum teams after all?

Anything to fit me into your baddie puzzle...

Don't tell Matt about this theory please and thanks you.

All of the potential Epic Noses roles came from games hosted by Epignosis...

Ricochet wrote:So does anyone feel the other baddies are Asian Scrabble Names from that Harry Keeler Peeler game... conveniently hosted by Llama?

If all this is true, one baddie left.

1 or 2?

Ricochet wrote:What did you do, Marmot?

Then again, BIH motel.

6 left before a night is still pretty tense, dense, though.

I... lived.

Linki: No I am not lynchproof.

Yay! Nice result.

MacDougall wrote:You don't know what I know Metalmarsh. I am trying to fit the balls into the holes. I could be wrong about you being on a team with Zebra, but then the fact is you are suspicious for saving Draco. Then there's you being scum via deduction as well as you best case scenario flipping indy.

There is circumstantial evidence everywhere against you, Motel Room isn't Kubrick, Sorsha has Matt vouching for her and Dom appears to have let on that he had civ info on juliets.

You're smashing the marmot ball into the baddie hole and I don't fit.

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Juliets, why do you believe MacDougall that I am bad and the only baddie left? Especially since he suggested you are the alternate option.
I believe because of the Dom evidence. He said you were bad and i don't know why he'd do that if you weren't. It doesn't affect me that Mac thinks I'm bad if you're not.

Ok, what happens if/when I get lynched and don't flip bad?

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I believe that the teams were/are:

Wilgy
Zebra
Metalmarsh or juliets

Dharmahelper
Lorab
Draconus
And again, why are people believing this post from Mac? Zebra basically outed herself as a teammate of DH here. I cannot possibly be on a team with her.
You are using the posts of a dead scum to defend yourself. That's gross as fuck.

So did you.

MacDougall wrote:Sorry dudes and dudettes I just got back from taking my kid to swimming lessons first thing on a Saturday morning after a sleep in.

I have to admit that the Zebra post does introduce an element of doubt to my teams but I am still very confident that you are bad and failing that we lynch an indy whose win con is totally questionable. I am quite sure we only have 1 baddie left.

Whether it's on a team with Wilgy or a team with Drac Metalmarsh you are the most likely bad guy left in the game + even on the very small chance you aren't lying we aren't lynching civ so there is far and away no better lynch candidate here.

Don't let the silvertongued marmot coerce you fellow civs. We are close to winning this.

It's not just an element of doubt. You even agreed with me that zebra was a teammate of DH here.

And that logic is not even logic to say it doesn't matter who my teammate is. That was your argument to begin with. To suddenly lose that evidence to support your case but maintain the case anyway is wrong.

MacDougall wrote:I believe that the teams were/are:

Wilgy
Zebra
Metalmarsh or juliets

Dharmahelper
Lorab
Draconus

And again, why are people believing this post from Mac? Zebra basically outed herself as a teammate of DH here. I cannot possibly be on a team with her.

Juliets, why do you believe MacDougall that I am bad and the only baddie left? Especially since he suggested you are the alternate option.

Are Mac or Matt going to say anything else, or just wait until I flip not bad?

Ture.

There's only 2 hours until the deadline. I'm probably going to fail surviving here, but by golly I'm going to ace the exam I'm about to take.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You think anybody's going to have anything to say? The baddies are getting what they want, an easy lynch on some awful cases, and folks don't care to address my disputes.
Well, to your credit, I think your last two posts on Wilgy connections read like solid legacy, if you do flip the way you are. Logic enough connections in there. Only person you left out is bea, which I just pointed out that her D8 vote was total whack.

Yeah, but my legacy is worthless to me if I am lynched.

You think anybody's going to have anything to say? The baddies are getting what they want, an easy lynch on some awful cases, and folks don't care to address my disputes.

You think you all can relax because a team was eliminated last night? Wrong.

Baddies deserve to win at this point.

This day has been a disappointment.

DrWilgy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Wot do you get when Temmie eats tooo many Temmie Flakes?
a... Temmie ache!

Wot do you get when Temmie eats tooo many Temmie Flakes?

In a wild turn of events, the marmot has switched his vote to motel room, the man who cannot be cased, for not being case-able.

This being Mac's post

Zebra, DH, and LoRab are most likely teammates. I'd put Draconus on this team as well, but his odds are not as strong (still strong though).

This leaves Dr. Wilgy on another team with unknown others. Why am I the one being accused of being on his team again? I think it stands in my favor that I did vote for him and support his lynch on Day 8.

Anyway, I'm voting Sorsha.

I don't feel great about MacDougall and Matt. In fact, I don't feel good about anybody who didn't vote for Dr. Wilgy on Day 8. My fear is that Wilgy's team wanted to make a move for supremacy, which is why he came so close to not getting lynched.

And also, lol at Mac putting zebra as a non-DH teammate in his hypothesis. How does anybody agree with that? Zebra all but admitted she was on that team when DH was killed.

MacDougall wrote:Considering this is a 24hr lynch it's a little disconcerting that there is so little discussion though I guess it might also be a good thing?

I had friends over for dinner last night and a midterm coming up today. I don't really have time for discussion.

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I understand your demand, FZ., but if today is mostly about getting rid of MM, I'd rather have it done in 24hours and then use the weekend for either further scum cleanup or damage control.
I don't know. I think DH flipping bad needs to be discussed. I followed him foolishly. Now, I think we should rethink everything. I want to hear from Mac why he thinks motel room can be trusted. I want to hear from Matt who else he thinks is bad. I want to hear from Sorsha. There seemed to be this thing where she questioned Mac. I want to know if there was something behind that. I can't make the decision like that when I can't talk to anyone. If I need to vote now, I might vote MM, but I'd rather we discuss things more.

I think the only person I really trust is Bea. I had a good gut feeling about her when she joined, but it changed later on. I'm back to trusting her and want to hear what she says. Since my later stages of the game have been so much worse than my initial ones, I'm going back to questioning those I initially suspected.

But guys, I'm not bad.

juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Not sure if Mac said motel is to be trusted now. Or wait, was it Matt that said motel is not off the table?
Well, he believes there is only one baddie left and that baddie is metalmarsh or me so that seems to rule out motel.

Why does this statement from Mac hold any water?

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:Sorsha, I don't think there's too much paranoid. Civvies should be paranoid.

That's why I want to hear from everyone what will they say if MM will flip indy before I decide to lynch him. If we had time, I think someone should look at the votes again. We assume DH and Drac were on the same team, right? Did MM vote only Drac, or did he vote Wilgy as well? He couldn't have tried to save Drac with the LC lynch because if DH and Drac were on the same team, that team is gone. That is why I think maybe we should not lynch MM and lynch motel room. Mac seems to defend him, I want to know why, because lynching MM might be the easiest option, but not the best one

So you mean zebra, LoRab, DH and Draco?

Do you disagree?

Given this option in the future, I will never side with the civilians again you backstabbing hooligans.

You have been a staunch defender of Sorsha. We don't know her role, but she has been linked to Dr. Wilgy.

Your voting me is consistent, but I want an explanation on why you still think I am mafia. With DharmaHelper nightkilled and a team eliminated, we have ruled out a mafia team, meaning up to 4 (I'll assume it can't be more than 4) of the 5 currently dead mafia members were on a team together. You've tried to link me to 3 of them.

Matt wrote:

A few thoughts...

1) DH was bad. Wow. Rih DH. However, hopefully this means we can lighten up on all of the Sorsha talk, thank you!

2) So Kubrick was never a real role? If that's the case, that doesn't auto clear motel IMO. He still escaped a NK and a lynch by who knows what, and he hasn't even bothered to address the thread about it.

3) Was Epi on DH's team? Also, "Team Epic Noses" = "Team Epignosis" ? Was he like, their leader?

4) Lynch Marmot, please and thanks.

Matt, before you place your vote on me (oops too late) why don't you please address my post to you with regards to Wilgy and explain why I am still bad after everything that has happened.

As I've already point out, many of the cases you've made against me are now moot. Answer up please.

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Stay determined.

MM, I've long established in your ISO that your LC late vote came after kinda wishy-washy on-and-offs around him.
Was his prior suspicion strong enough to justify the last second switch from Drac to LC?

Had he indicated any suspicion of Drac before that lynch?

I am asking you because I am at work and you are the encyclopedia of this game.

Did I even vote for Draco on that day? I don't believe I did.

Don't make shit up. It's Day 10.

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Follow me to victory friends, lynch the Marmot.
Why? 90% of the cases against me have been all but debunked.
You saved Draconus and caused Long Con to die with a shifty last second move. Your answer to why is [insert smiley].

Concede. You are scum.

I was suspicious of Long Con. Why does it surprise you that I voted for him?

Linki: Moving my vote is not that simple.

Ricochet wrote:MM, if you can't explain what you see in motel still needing to be lynched, post-Jezebel reveal, you deserve to get lynched today.

Why?

I did vote for him out of the gate. But I guess there is less reason to lynch him now.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why would DH reveal a fake role that would make folks not want to vote Position 1 if he and LoRab both had Position 1 powers?
Because we would be chasing a baddie role that doesn't even exist.

Why are you even defending DH on this? His flip has it all written out there!
Guess we'll agree to disagree.
Tell me what I'm not seeing. On paper, it all fits!

Also, LoRab didn't have position 1 powers. She only had powers.

I misread you when you mentioned LoRab forcing Position 1. Never mind then.

Linki: zebra's post looked like an admission. Epignosis' post? I think he would have said that either way, and am not sure if it matters.

MacDougall wrote:Follow me to victory friends, lynch the Marmot.

Why? 90% of the cases against me have been all but debunked.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why would DH reveal a fake role that would make folks not want to vote Position 1 if he and LoRab both had Position 1 powers?
Because we would be chasing a baddie role that doesn't even exist.

Why are you even defending DH on this? His flip has it all written out there!

Guess we'll agree to disagree.

Why would DH reveal a fake role that would make folks not want to vote Position 1 if he and LoRab both had Position 1 powers?

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:ok, so Kubrick is bullcrap...

goddammit why do I have to get burned so often at interpreting hidden meaning behind stuff...
If you can prove we were ever in Position 1, then sure.
We mislynched two times on D1-D2, so LoRab forced postiion 1 on Night 2, for DH to reveal Kubbait.

Kubrick happened on Night 3/Day 4.

Ricochet wrote:ok, so Kubrick is bullcrap...

goddammit why do I have to get burned so often at interpreting hidden meaning behind stuff...

If you can prove we were ever in Position 1, then sure.

I also get the feeling that zebra was on DH's team.

Ricochet wrote:I kid you not, DH grabbing a win out of this would have burned through my insides like no other loss ever did. Even more than MM grabbing a win out of this, whilst I lose.

...speaking of which, shall we lynch you, MM?

I don't know, do you think that I am on a baddie team?

My first impression is that Draconus and DH were teammates, and so the possibility of me being on either of their teams is next to none.

Good game and well-played DH.

Yet another Championship Game slips from your grasp (and with 666 posts no less).

Confirmed, I am not an Epic Nose.

Didn't see that one coming.

RIP Ricochet's coloring abilities.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:If a player created this poll, they put FZ in the first position.

So if it is player-created, it is probably not malevolent.
Lol, I'm thinking exactly the opposite.

Also, so much for perfect :23 Host post timing.

It's called a lynch poll. Nobody voted for FZ while everyone else has votes.

If a player created this poll, they put FZ in the first position.

So if it is player-created, it is probably not malevolent.

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