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It was under an hour left and nobody else was budging, so what?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:43 pm there's barely even any justification for it. it's just "I think the poe is tsp/speed but I'll vote for Made too"
What do you mean? What would he have done if it's 3?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:25 pm it's a derpclear in the sense that if he thought it was 3 and were a wolf he would have acted on it, no?
That's not really a derpclear, it's not like that information was available outside of that post.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:48 pm why not speed? you ask? well, I don't believe that speed would be the kind of person to fake derps. simple enough.
You said something about post count, but it didn't feel like an answer.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:55 pmi did not I thought I said something
I have been here. I asked Tony what he wanted to do today and he ignored me.
What do you want to do today?
^^Mafia listen to this guyLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:38 pmMarmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:23 pmDid you skip my name since you're going to kill me tonight?chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 am i think that LC, and Martian are more town looking then Speed, and Tony.
im not sure what else i have to say atm, will probably have to reconsider somethings tomarrow.
except clearly I will die tonight.
Did you skip my name since you're going to kill me tonight?chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 am i think that LC, and Martian are more town looking then Speed, and Tony.
im not sure what else i have to say atm, will probably have to reconsider somethings tomarrow.
Hopefully it's Made and you can sleep easy tonightMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:04 pm
I honestly hadn't thought to check for this.
But I don't know which weighs more heavily on me, Chuck or Made.
I think and feel atm if Made is town then yes we certainly go for TSP/Chuck.
I'm not sure if I want to live through a world where Chuck flips town though, before Made flips, and having to live through that because knowing Made's flip (IMO) will help solve TSP's slot and by extension Chuck's as well since they're both voting the same person.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm Man the baddies are really coming out of the woodwork to jump on lil old me.
You guys have grievances you wanna talk about? Those would be good.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:18 pm Jeez I forgot this game existed for like 24 hours.
To respond to the question someone asked, I'm vanilla at the moment. Maybe that changes, maybe I have an ability and don't know what it is, but right now I'm vanilla.
This game doesn't feel very bastard. I was honestly expecting a clusterfuck and here we are actually solving at things.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:22 pm Don't know anything about Martin's meta but I'm inclined to disagree with LC a little.
The "Yeah you think I'm scum but for dumb reasons and I am indignant about those reasons" thing isn't universal. It's something some players do, but I'm not one of them. I don't like the 'I'm a high poster' defense, but I could see a town person making it.
It's still sus for him not to break the tie on D1, but I don't see a scum motive for doing it either.
Martin could be scum. He's a little overdefensive, but I think the self-righteous defense rings genuine. It's like he got obsessed with the tunnel and was building up for an 'I told you so' if he flips.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:26 pmSo (I was looking at Char and remembered this:)chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.
I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.
-/-/-/-
Ill lookit LC tomorrow.
The 'maybe OP lies and ties aren't mafia choice' is just the worst thing. -EV. Not a helpful observation. It's like observing that 'Maybe Esoaa was scum and the flip was a lie.' It's unhelpful for town to consider calling those bluffs, because it's what we have to work with.
Don't remember the context, but if Made was going 'Eh, don't worry about the Tie,' that's bad. If they were being subtle about it, that's worse.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:29 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine
Seeing a lot of egging on from the sidelines to push people in direction, not a whole lot of leading or genuine consideration of points? It is hilarious, but I have no idea where Made stands.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:30 pm Iduno maybe I should just say 'Vibe' I'm having trouble articulating why Made's ISO is meh to me
I'm paranoid about this now too. Everyone has either voted for you or expressed interest in voting for you except for chardonnay.
Meh.Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:20 pmI town read cuz he thought he had a red peak, and the wagon looked too easy. I feel like I wouldn’t be the first person making this argument if he weren’t town, cuz it’s a fairly easy argument to make in good faith as chuck’s teammate.
Given, I was mistaken and the end of the day wasn’t yesterday, so I’m more comfortable putting faith in the deep than the easy get out of jail
I think I see it if I'm squinting, but can you explain the agenda.Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:02 pmdis one!MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:02 pm1. His vote is currently on a no-kill vote, as he's re-evaluating or evaluating people.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:42 am Sort by character count become WW expert?
Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog
Also, I believe he explained his reasoning on Marmot. After all, he was right in that it did happen in that game he hosted where Marmot is scum. I don't see a reason as to why not he would look to that for possible analysis on Marmot.
2. Speedchuck had an almost inexorable hand in helping to raise the chance that Esooa was executed on D1 instead of Marmot by tying the wagons....and Marmot is a scum-read of Chardonnay's at that time.
Its not surprising for him to put more effort into speed chuck because of that. Besides, soon after his read on you he goes off to enquire about you.
You're doing a fine job. I just disagree with you. I have more qualm with Made for his popping in with the "I kinda wanna vote Martin" drive-by.
Mine doesn't.Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:49 pmit's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:38 am I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything
Well, I know he's not my partner, but if we were partners, I think Martin would've tried to bury esooa instead of waffling and voting off wagon.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:16 pmMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:13 pmHere's a very good question for you:
If wolves decide ties, and I can vote to resolve that tie ***anyways***
Then why did I not simply make a vote and place it on the theme of "Martin is lost D1"?
I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?
There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.
I have more trouble believing in a villager who would willingly give the Mafia the choice between two players to yeet. If one were a wolf, then even if you choose wrong, you haven't lost anything. And the 50% chance of not choosing wrong results in the Best Possible Outcome.
We are but the playthings of destiny. Though you asked not for the burden to be placed upon you, upon you it was placed nonetheless. All that is left to us, is to choose how we use the time we're given. This reveals our true character.Why leave it up to me in the long-run anyways?
Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?In fact, I don't think I've even pushed the fact that Esooa died instead of Marmot anywhere, and not many other people have either.
Responding to this because the big post before it is too big.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:47 pm to clarify that's not an insult "they're not thinking" that's a "I think they're scum" "they're not thinking"
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:52 pmDisagree.
The fact that you bring up mod lies and the possibility of this being mountainous
only to go this route
Doesn't really make much sense to me.
In addition it seems like your basing the whole n0 vig shot thing as your basis for scum-reading Made, without presenting any evidence (that isn't the n0 vig shot) in the thread that is scummy for him to do or say ITT.
Here:
I believe that this part in pink is him guessing based on the information given by the first line above in the quote. Since he doesn't recall doing it.Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:57 pm i was informed that I took a n0 vig shot against a player because i thought they were talking fun, and that they were mafia.
I don't recall doing this, and from what i can tell everyone is still alive, BUT if i were to of taken a N0 vig shot, it would of been at Mac.
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:33 pmwell given that I've been lost for most of D1chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:40 amTSP/Chuck team? hmmmMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:16 am Wait actually TSP is just voting me =_=
and Chuck is voting Marmot rn
how likely a world do you see this as Martian?
and *perhaps* I could be missing some things
I'm not very confident on it and I'm speaking about it so that people may agree or disagree with me on it
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:42 amchardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:24 am D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.
I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.
I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).
Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.
So yes, i do scum lean Speed.Sort by character count become WW expert?chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:35 am Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.
Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.
Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.
Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog
He called for a Marmot/Speed scum team in rvs, then backed off.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:44 am Speed is largely persona non grata. No reason to think it’s Speed/Marmot because Speed doesn’t need to tie up the votes to save Marmot if Marmot is voting off wagon
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:29 pmYou tell mechardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:50 pmwhose his partner?
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:30 pmlittle early for consolidation innit?chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:25 pm @Martiangg99 consolidate onto marmot please?
I could also support TSP/Esoopa
Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments.
I don't support a TSP lynch at this time.
If I felt my survival was important, then yes I would've voted someone I thought was town. I didn't feel that way though.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:22 pmYou could have at least tried a vote that takes the power away from the mafia team. Unless you mean it was just an accepted assumption that if you voted for her, she would instantly vote for you?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pmYou're not wrong about Martin's vote. Although Martin is the towniest player in the game to me aside from his vote location at EOD.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:28 am The end of Day 1 was entirely ridiculous. Everyone involved seem to be making the worst possible decisions.
It ended with Marmot and Essoa tied.
That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.
It looks awful for Esooa, just based on general understanding of the rules of the game.
It looks awful for Marmot, survivor of the tie he could have very easily broken.
Martin is a wolf. [VOTE: Martin] aubergine
Why are these the worst possible decisions? We appeared to be the only three around at EOD, meaning the wagons were hardstuck at 3-3 aside from our votes. What else could we do that would've looked better in your eyes?
Sure, but I also think I'm a Vote Trap and after a few "fake-claims" I figured my role is not a tough one to lose.
You're not wrong about Martin's vote. Although Martin is the towniest player in the game to me aside from his vote location at EOD.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:28 am The end of Day 1 was entirely ridiculous. Everyone involved seem to be making the worst possible decisions.
It ended with Marmot and Essoa tied.
That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.
It looks awful for Esooa, just based on general understanding of the rules of the game.
It looks awful for Marmot, survivor of the tie he could have very easily broken.
Martin is a wolf. [VOTE: Martin] aubergine
It was more of a "I think I'm Vermin Traps, so I don't really care if I die here over esooa" kind of vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:18 amSo Marmot cast this vote after voting Esooa and making it a 3-3 tie between Esooa and Marmot.
So he decided to make it 3-2-1 for Marmot-Esooa-TSP.
That feels like an action that is designed to make us say "Why would a wolf do that? Probably just towny." It's a tactic that has won me game sin the past as a wolf.
What does this mean? What's Vapor Trails? Is this connected to Vanity Towels? Oh goddammit I get it now never mind. Bah.
Ok solve. I'll watch and take notes.