The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:SO bear with me here for a moment, folks. I have had a thought.

In typing my last post in which I noticed that LC is doing the very thing that SVS ALWAYS jumps on me for doing, and noting her lack of response, I began to wonder. And wonder pretty hard.

Long Con has done a good job of portraying himself as SVS's greatest adversary, but is he really? Let's look at the votes.

Day 1: Long Con cast the third vote for SVS after MP had seven. No danger to SVS there.
Day 2: Long Con voted for juliets. SVS took 0 votes. No danger to her there.
Day 3: Long Con cast the only vote for SVS after Made had three. No danger to SVS there.
Day 4: Long Con cast the 13th vote for Made. SVS took three votes. No danger to her there.
Day 5: Long Con, after talking about no one but SVS for ever, suddenly abandons his suspicion of her to come after me HARD for what seems to me to be no reason at all.

Now, it is possible SVS is keeping quiet just because she is thankful that attention has shifted away from her, but I submit to you that Long Con and SVS have been on a team this whole time, and engaging in some very clever distancing.

This is based on a) Long Con being vocally against SVS, but not actually voting for her when it could have made a difference. and
b) SVS staying silent about behavior that she consistently goes bananas over when others do it.

I would love to hear others' opinions about this, but as for me, I am going ahead and trusting my gut. Voting for SVS now.

llama, this logic is pointless. Okay, so maybe LC has suddenly waffled on SVS, but SVS has never been in danger of being lynched. You are absolutely manufacturing this idea from nothing. If SVS and LC are teammates, what good would it be for LC to place the 13th vote on Made if SVS is a safe vote?

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: Oh, and we also don't even know if baddies have BTSC.
Really? Why wouldn't they?

There's no indication in "The Knight Who Says Ni"'s role description, so we can't just assume such a thing. That's the only 'baddie' that's flipped so far.

I know baddies usually do, but that doesn't mean we can assume as such.

thellama73 wrote:The "llama suspects people for trivial reasons" thing is ridiculous. Where are the detailed, well thought out cases behind LoRab's votes? Or Ninjablooper's? Or Dana's? or Bea's? Or Boogs'? or Hedgeowl's? or Mongoose's?

I think that reason is contrived. Just because Made was civ doesn't mean the case against him was not a good one. I don't know why people don't understand that.

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I missed your thoughts on Canuck, Keterman. Now that I go back and look at them, they are astonishingly astute. I've been increasingly suspicious of Canuck this game as well. Her posting pattern alone indicates someone who spends most of their time in a chatzy and occasionally pops in to contribute when needed.
I feel like she has been very active (but that is probably because she keeps wanting to discuss me, haha).
She has been active, but there have been long pauses between her activity, as one would expect from someone who checks into a chatroom before posting.

I think you assume all baddies check into the chatroom for instructions before they post. As if every time they come online, they are given a list of keywords, phrases, and ideas they must talk about that day.

Is this how you run your mafia chatroom llama?

Oh, and we also don't even know if baddies have BTSC.

S~V~S wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:RIP reywaS

Pardon my ignorance once again SVS, but what is a "ninja" in mafia terms?

Dana, the cat in your icon is ADORABLE. Is he/she yours?
Once again? Have I been condescending? I apologize if this is the case.

A ninja is a civvie killer.

Not necessarily. Or maybe not, I don't know.

In my experience, a ninja is a killer that cannot be blocked, nor can be tracked, followed, or watched. It can have any alignment though.

Dana wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?
I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Yes, but Enrique had the ability to survive death once. I doubt that he wouldn't use it.

This increases the likelihood of there being two baddie teams too.

Roxy wrote:

reywaS is dead. He was the Trojan Rabbit - a civvie.
it is now Day 5

They should have built a marmot.

Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

thellama73 wrote:
Dana wrote:Friends, let me present to you my prime suspect: thellama73
Awesome. Let me address both your points in turn.

Dana wrote: So the day that Made was actually lynched, it may seem like SVS led everyone to vote for him, but don't forget that it was Llama who planted the seed. I feel like Llama could now being using SVS (who I don't think is bad) as cover to get yet another good guy lynched tomorrow.
I never tried to conceal the fact that I wanted Made dead in the slightest. I said so more than once. I never tried to pretend I wasn't leading the lynch. I have been his strongest adversary all game and did nothing to hide that. It is all out in the open.

Dana wrote: Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.
What have you been using to pick your suspects? At least I am trying. Let's take a look at your voting record shall we?

Day 1: missed vote.

Day 2: missed vote.

Day 3: Last vote on the MR bandwagon, which resulted in a civ lynch.

Day 4: missed vote.

Not exactly leaving us much to hold you accountable with, are you?

And yet you've voted in every night poll, despite having half as long to do so.

Million dollar question: What sort of role tends to be more active at night than during the day?

Answer: A bad one, particularly one with a sinister night action, such as a kill to send in.

Well if she does have the ability to kill, wouldn't she lose it each night she missed the lynch vote?

Linki: Agreed.

My logic against the lynch switch directly after it happened was that it typically requires each party to have at least one vote. AP did not receive a vote until the very last second of the day period, so Made could not have known when he would ask for the switch that AP would have been a viable option.

But this was countered by the argument that anyone can have the lynch switched to them.

Linki: How could Made affirm such a thing? That would easily be rule-breaking and get him MK'd anyway.

Let me add what I do remember. I recall a lot of discussion over Concorde possibly having a lover. I never did read his role, so I just passed on it as speculation. It wasn't until LC's comment that I decided to actually read the role and understand what it was saying.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm not sure how you missed that, tbqh. Or am I misunderstanding your exchange with LC?

No you understood correct. Maybe because it was so oblique that I didn't notice the allusions before.

That's interesting, if some people thought it likely, why vote for Made anyway?

Dana wrote:
Canucklehead wrote: while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

If I may direct your attention to page 53, you can see where I stand and how I feel about pretty much everyone.

Some of us have our settings set differently. For me we are currently on page 52.

Links or quotes work best.

LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.
You're my next suspicion, so...

I'm not going anywhere. Suspish away...

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.
Agreed, and there was so much doubt surrounding the whole situation, we couldn't just let him go. Feels off that you'd say you "believed" me... I didn't know anything, it just seemed like it was still a good possibility. What are your next moves here... Suspicions?

Well, here was my post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:I understand that Made has to be lynched, but if there were wagers on the outcome, I would put a small bet on him being the Civvie role that A Person's lynch alludes to. A small bet, as in I'm not super confident, but I still kind of think it.

Too much reasonable doubt though.
So you think that maybe the secrets to AP's role are that he would sacrifice himself for the surival of Lancelot? That fits with the movie description. I am actually very inclined to believe this.

This would mean that Made is Sir Lancelot though. Hmm...

I don't recall anyone else offering such a hypothesis, but it made complete sense as to why AP was lynched. I never did read the details on AP's role, which clearly would have helped.

I was picking up what you were laying down.

I'm going to do some more reading today. SVS looks like a notable target, but that seems to me like an easy way out.

Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

Long Con wrote:I understand that Made has to be lynched, but if there were wagers on the outcome, I would put a small bet on him being the Civvie role that A Person's lynch alludes to. A small bet, as in I'm not super confident, but I still kind of think it.

Too much reasonable doubt though.

So you think that maybe the secrets to AP's role are that he would sacrifice himself for the surival of Lancelot? That fits with the movie description. I am actually very inclined to believe this.

This would mean that Made is Sir Lancelot though. Hmm...

Made wrote:
Long Con wrote:I understand that Made has to be lynched, but if there were wagers on the outcome, I would put a small bet on him being the Civvie role that A Person's lynch alludes to. A small bet, as in I'm not super confident, but I still kind of think it.

Too much reasonable doubt though.
Ok this argument is the type of argument any mafia can get behind. It's hedging your bet. If I flip mafia, then they voted me so they're happy they voted me, but when i flip civvie, they're safe from criticism as they believed I was civvie the entire time.

If you think that I am less suspicious than someone else, then pursue that person and vote for them. Don't just vote to kill a civvie. It shouldn't matter if I come up in discussion. In any other game, If you thought someone was suspicious, but another person thinks someone else is suspicious, you don't agree to have them lynched to prove them wrong??? If other's are misguided, push forward your theory instead. A civvies most powerful tool is their vote, and if Mafia can take that from them, then civvies lose all power and mafia wins.

Mafia isn't going to start cooperating and listening to town because i'm dead.

There are easily enough doubter to keep me alive, but even if you don't see me as innocent enough to vote to save me, vote who you think is guilty.

MM, Canuck, BWT, LC, and Bullz: Either admit I am mafia and vote for me, or vote who you think mafia is.

(Also i still need Who people think is suspicious if(when) I flip civvie. I only have them from llama(SVS) and Dana(Llama), and I already directly asked MM and Canuck.)

Made, I do think you are very suspicious. I have said so countless times since Day 1. I have voted you every single day (though may Day 2 vote changed later to Enrique). The thing that is making me less suspicious now is some game mechanic logic, NOT from your playing. I'm really uncertain as to what you are asking of me (and everyone else) in this post.

Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Out of curiosity everyone, Who would be your number one person of suspect if I turn out to be civvie?
Enrique was before he died. Tbh, I don't have another one right now, which is why I'm not discussing you right now and observing more than anything else. I voted you and am expecting you to die today, and so am focusing my attention away.
Fair enough, but before I died( inb4 lynch switch) you should say in thread who you'd suspect when i'm dead. think on it!

You will hear from me about it before the day is over.

Made wrote:Out of curiosity everyone, Who would be your number one person of suspect if I turn out to be civvie?

Enrique was before he died. Tbh, I don't have another one right now, which is why I'm not discussing you right now and observing more than anything else. I voted you and am expecting you to die today, and so am focusing my attention away.

S~V~S wrote:Yeah. Enrique was the person I thought of as Mades biggest cheerleader. On Day Zero, before Enrique could have possibly been recruited, Made made a comment about how there could be BTS other than baddie BTS. I asked him if he were implying that HE had civvie BTS, and Enrique basically slapped my wrist and told me not to target paint, somewhat more subtly than that, but that was his point. So that was when I backed off of Made, and got into the whole me vs MP thing. Then after that, Enrique & Made started making little suspecting motions towards each other, then suddenly stopped (that was when Made started saying he just said he suspected Enrique to gauge peoples judgment, or something to that effect) and that is when i started suspecting Made again. Civ BTS partners don't need to distance, or throw each other under the bus, or revise their opinions of each other.

So yeah, Enrique coming up bad had a big part in my change of heart. It's a theory; I don't know it to be true, but given the fact that people were overtly defending Made makes it seem a reasonable theory to me.

Here's what I think.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Linki @ Made, you're really gonna die this time aren't you?
SVS- Knowing this game, probably not.

linki- It's very encouraged

linki- QFT??

Also, I would like to point out how, suddenly SVS isn't interested in examining what Enrique's said this game for clues as to his alignment. Once again conflicting with her general play this game. (The first time being the very strange vote with ketterman.)
I think the time his stance changed on you was right around the time he was recruited. Those two events coincided.

This happened on Day 2, when Enrique started waffling on his stance about Made. I was trying my darndest to get a read from him, and he wouldn't give me anything.

SVS, what are your thoughts on me?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:What was your opinion of voting to save me? I'd be willing to change my vote to MM, another vote from JC (I think she also spoke suspicions of MM) would be enough to at least tie it.
But I will address this comment. You've made cases against other players, but not against me. At one point, you even said you suspected me only because I suspect you. This doesn't gel. But I guess being a potential lynchee, you'll put your vote anywhere to save yourself. I will not fault you for that.
Made, would you mind answering this question I asked yesterday? Thanks.

Hey Made. ^^^

Linki:

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Linki @ Made, you're really gonna die this time aren't you?

He's got that desperation thing going on, instead of trying to defend, he's trying to distract.

"Me? Why i am an upstanding citizen, don't look at me....What's that over there? A wild SVS with crazy theories? BURN HER SHE'S A WITCH"

Linki~ what clues? HE WAS A BADDIE. And QFT=Quoted for truth

I haven't developed a complete view on you yet. You've been playing a mighty fine game, but I'm waiting to see what happens with Made.

Made wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Linki @ Made, you're really gonna die this time aren't you?
SVS- Knowing this game, probably not.

linki- It's very encouraged

linki- QFT??

Also, I would like to point out how, suddenly SVS isn't interested in examining what Enrique's said this game for clues as to his alignment. Once again conflicting with her general play this game. (The first time being the very strange vote with ketterman.)

I think the time his stance changed on you was right around the time he was recruited. Those two events coincided.

S~V~S wrote:Linki @ Made, you're really gonna die this time aren't you?

fingersplints wrote:Do we HAVE to do the list? I know it was asked of us, but not sure I am able to yet.

Do whatever you want, don't listen to anyone else.

Or you could not listen to me and do as I say.

thellama73 wrote:My ego refuses to let me believe that SVS would not have recruited me, so I think you are the recruiter, Made.

Hey guys, remember the last time Made was up for a lynch and he totally weasled his way out of it? Yeah, let's not let that happen again.

I plan on voting him again.

I'm not completely caught up, but do you still believe that SVS is on Made's team?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:What was your opinion of voting to save me? I'd be willing to change my vote to MM, another vote from JC (I think she also spoke suspicions of MM) would be enough to at least tie it.
But I will address this comment. You've made cases against other players, but not against me. At one point, you even said you suspected me only because I suspect you. This doesn't gel. But I guess being a potential lynchee, you'll put your vote anywhere to save yourself. I will not fault you for that.

Made, would you mind answering this question I asked yesterday? Thanks.

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:hmm... I just realized something. If MP killed on even nights, and I'm correct in assuming there's only one mafia, then we might not have a kill tonight.
The Knight who says Ni might have a baddie partner who does the killing. Somebody killed Epi last night. Or there's a second mafia.

...here comes the French speculation...

Linki: Ok Enrique, first my post about the French pings you, and now you propose there is another mafia team to balance the game.
To be fair, most full games these days (and even a lot of speed games) feature more than one baddie team. It's not a huge leap to assume that here, especially when a baddie was NKed on the first night and we don't know exactly who by.

I don't think you understand. I DO agree that there is more than one baddie team. The problem is that I'm being unjustifiably ridiculed for saying so while the same people, including you, are on board with the idea. Can you explain that one?

Made wrote:hmm... I just realized something. If MP killed on even nights, and I'm correct in assuming there's only one mafia, then we might not have a kill tonight.

The Knight who says Ni might have a baddie partner who does the killing. Somebody killed Epi last night. Or there's a second mafia.

...here comes the French speculation...

Linki: Ok Enrique, first my post about the French pings you, and now you propose there is another mafia team to balance the game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is the original post I made. Here with the next 10 posts or so, is the brief discussion that followed.

Here Dana, fixed the links.

LoRab wrote:Right, but that doesn't answer my question. I'm familiar with the source material, I get the gist of your feelings about him. What I don't understand is when you say, "While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way."

How will we soon find out that we need him dead to win and/or how bad he is (was)?

linkitis: @God: Awwwww. Thanks. You're a kind and compassionate God, clearly.

And I agree the Rabbit was bad news.

Indies are wild cards, their win conditions sometimes align with civvies and sometimes don't. That's what I'm getting at. I thought we might find out, and fortunately God has told us.

Dana wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dana wrote:Metalmarsh - People have brought up a few good points about MM. The most suspicious things I’ve seen so far are the French thing and the Epi thing (was that MM? I think I might be getting confused. Also side note do we know for sure that Epi’s role was a bad one? I didn’t see it in the first post.) I am considering voting for MM, but it would be a half-hearted vote, so I’ll probably hold off until I look through everyone else.
I think both of your pings are a bit pedantic, being as they are both about characters from the movie that I was hinting at. The French joke I made and expounded on was in reference to SVS's comment about people having civvie BTSC. I followed it up with, "Hey maybe they're French" with the suggestion that hey, maybe it's not the civvies. Essentially I was saying, "Hey, maybe they're bad." Also, with llama's comment and many other's support that this might be the ballsiest mafia ever, I think it's hypocritical to take my comment and say it's that of a baddie, when his more extreme suggestion is so accepted.

As for Epi, here you will find his death. He was the rabbit who killed several of Arthur's knights in the film. While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way.

Omg linki: I still have 3 other pages to read first, but this read from Dana needed addressing from me.
This definitely makes more sense now that it's explained in the context of the movie. Maybe I should get to watching it so that I can try and understand everything better. I don't remember exactly what you said in the original French post, but when Bullz(I think?) brought it up again a few pages ago it seemed like you knew for sure that there was a French team, which was a little odd. It makes much more sense to be a joke, though. Because if you were actually on a French baddie team, then why in the world would you say so in the thread?

Here is the original post I made. Here with the next 10 posts or so, is the brief discussion that followed.

GOD wrote:The LORB may have a change of heart. Today I want groveling. And toast.

How does ham and jam in Spamalot toast sound? It even include a reference to the film you starred in.

LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: As for Epi, here you will find his death. He was the rabbit who killed several of Arthur's knights in the film. While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way.
What do you mean by this?

What will we find out soon enough and how? And how do you know this?

His role just appeared in the OP, as I suspected from previous trends. However it's hard to say which way he was aligned, but since Brother Maynard is a member of King Arthur's court in the film, I'd be willing to bet that at least he is good.

Epignosis had the worst possible role,

“*squeaks angrily*”

Rabbit of Caerbannog - That rabbit is dynamite! - In addition to killing on odd nights on even nights you will search for Brother Maynard. If you find Brother Maynard you won't/can't kill him but will earn (1) instant kill to be used whenever you wish (day or night). LMS

Enrique wrote:The French thing? Yeah, that's worth keeping in mind, I think. I haven't watched the movie so I don't know if it's really that obvious, but do the French have to be a baddie team? Because the roles we know make no mention of them at all. DF's role implies thre was only one Knight who said Ni, right? So why do the French have to be different? Are they the only "bad" faction in the movie worth having as a team? I jus tdon't get it. It's one thing to speculate, but to work on that assumption and just casually mention "the French team" like it's nothing. I really think MM is bad and will be voting for him.

Sorry, but you all are blowing this out of proportion. It was not an assumption, as I stated specifically here. Rather then discuss it, people jumped all over it. Anyway, the point is, it doesn't have to be the French. I was specifically responding to a post from SVS that some civvies might have BTSC, in that hey maybe the unknown baddies do. And as I later explained, it was an idea, not a base for cases I was making or any such thing.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:MERRILY MARVELOUS MYSTERY MOMENT

What is the sum of all people who got Zoot, Galahad, or Robin in the survey?

PM both hosts your guess.

I'm trying to respond to posts, and you and the LORB are distracting. grrr

thellama73 wrote:SVS, can you elaborate on your vote for LC? Do you agree with me about his "who do you think will get lynched?" question?

As you may have gathered, I do agree.

Canucklehead wrote:My only hesitation re: MM is that he hasn't seemed to have had any sort of reaction to all the "I think I'm suspicious of MM but I have no reason or evidence for why" talk (including my own) that has been tossed about in the last few days. When I'm a civ and my name keeps coming up for absolutely no reason at all, I get CRAY CRAY bothered by it and make a big fuss. Maybe that's just not the way MM rolls, but I do find it a little odd that he isn't at all bugged by the really flimsy accusations about him and the repeated resurfacing of his name.
(If such a response exists, please someone point me to it....)

I did say that I might not be on before the deadline, and I did ask MR why he voted for me.

Votes sometimes bother me and sometimes don't. I do worry a little bit, especially after what happened to AP yesterday, but votes are going to come and go. I'm not going to explain my meta here though, because that will probably be used against me.

Made wrote:What was your opinion of voting to save me? I'd be willing to change my vote to MM, another vote from JC (I think she also spoke suspicions of MM) would be enough to at least tie it.

But I will address this comment. You've made cases against other players, but not against me. At one point, you even said you suspected me only because I suspect you. This doesn't gel. But I guess being a potential lynchee, you'll put your vote anywhere to save yourself. I will not fault you for that.

Well that's all the posts I feel like responding to at the moment, but another couple questions.

@ Keterman, give me a good reason I shouldn't vote for you tomorrow?

Bullzeye wrote:As for MetalMarsh, I find his comment about the French to be quite pingy, for lack of a better term. It struck a chord when I first saw it and just gave me a bad vibe. I hadn't really thought of MM before that but the one assumption was enough to set my mind on him for whatever reason. He does seem to have done a fair bit of baddie hunting, and after day one has put himself out there. The only other thing that makes me wonder about him is a fairly minor thing but it's this:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I do not feel bad anymore for my speculation of Epi on Day 1. Goodbye Epi.
Initially I had misremembered this quote as suspicion instead of speculation but I think my opinion of it stays fairly the same. All he said about Epi was that it was strange he was so quiet, and then seemed to accept Epi's explanation for why that was. Throwing out a comment like this after Epi is revealed to have been an indy seems a bit shady to me, like he wanted credit for baddie-hunting or something? I don't know. I am suspicious of MM but the only case I can really come up with is shaky at best - based on vibes and a couple of comments I found relatively strange. It's more gut than anything at this point.

The way it went through my head was much different than you explained it here. Before I voiced a suspicion of Epi, I made a joke to him and he gave me a virtual finger. That bothered me, but then I thought that I may have taken the joke too far? I don't know. Then I made my statement later about his lack of activity, and again, a blunt response, and so I took it kind of emotionally and just left it alone. Then after seeing Epi's role after his death, I decided that maybe I was actually right, and had no reason to feel bad.

I realize after the last post that it that it might seem odd, but didn't feel like explaining it unless someone asked. Please don't look to deeply into it, as it was definitely a situation I didn't handle correctly, nor is it important to the game.

I guess I'll find out soon emough when I go read those posts as to why everyone voted for MR.

Mongoose wrote:Oh, and yes I am female, btw.

Linki: I did know I was addressing Dana, I just quoted your misquote.

Made wrote:Metalmarsh - People have brought up a few good points about MM. The most suspicious things I’ve seen so far are the French thing and the Epi thing (was that MM? I think I might be getting confused. Also side note do we know for sure that Epi’s role was a bad one? I didn’t see it in the first post.) I am considering voting for MM, but it would be a half-hearted vote, so I’ll probably hold off until I look through everyone else.

I think both of your pings are a bit pedantic, being as they are both about characters from the movie that I was hinting at. The French joke I made and expounded on was in reference to SVS's comment about people having civvie BTSC. I followed it up with, "Hey maybe they're French" with the suggestion that hey, maybe it's not the civvies. Essentially I was saying, "Hey, maybe they're bad." Also, with llama's comment and many other's support that this might be the ballsiest mafia ever, I think it's hypocritical to take my comment and say it's that of a baddie, when his more extreme suggestion is so accepted.

As for Epi, here you will find his death. He was the rabbit who killed several of Arthur's knights in the film. While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way.

Omg linki: I still have 3 other pages to read first, but this read from Dana needed addressing from me.

I don't know if I'll be on before the deadline. I'm going ahead and putting my vote on Made again.

Welcome fingers. I hope we can all get along.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Speaking of MR, he's voted for me, yet I don't recall him talking about me. Is it forced? I'll take a look back now.

This is the closest conclusion I could find.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I'm gonna have to vote soon, since I'll be driving out to Buffalo at 3 and don't wanna miss the lynch.

I don't love how Made immediately dropped his vote on me and took a vow of silence, but the discussion about why AP may have been lynched has given me pause in voting for him. I've never felt totally on board with lynching him in the first place.

Either MR's vote was forced, or he randomized, or he has a hidden agenda.

Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Long Con wrote:When I get a chance, I want to go over Made's case on MR... I might have done a tl;dr on it the first time, and I feel bad since he said it took him hours to put together and it has gotten little response.

Who do you THINK will be lynched today?
Not to get all metaphysical on you, but I believe in free will as opposed to determinism, so I don't think that is predictable. The person who will be lynched today is the person the most people decide to vote for (barring any more lynch switchy monkeyshines.)

Why did you ask that question? Seems a bit weird.
I asked because I asked it of myself and didn't know. There's been Metalmarsh talk here and there, and of course Made, and I think there's some MR lynch proponents out there... but right now it seems like a pretty unpredictable lynch.

Are you looking for a bandwagon to hop onto before it forms?

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:MM, made laid out a case on him and was surprised that he got no reaction from the rest of us. I need to re-read him and then re-read made's case because it did not make an impression on me.
He did? When did this happen?
No, as I mentioned above I got you confused with MR and it was MR he laid out the case on.

I see it now. I wasn't caught up at that point.

Speaking of MR, he's voted for me, yet I don't recall him talking about me. Is it forced? I'll take a look back now.

Also, maybe AP's vote was forced by mafia's hand, followed by a lynch switch. I don't know if we're discussing such things now, but it's another thought.

juliets wrote:MM, made laid out a case on him and was surprised that he got no reaction from the rest of us. I need to re-read him and then re-read made's case because it did not make an impression on me.

He did? When did this happen?

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:See, now this is the part that bothers me. Do like 4 or 5 civvies have BTS? Becasue it feels like several people are trying, ACTIVELY trying to keep Made from being lynched.
Maybe they're all French, and using the fact that we don't know the roles in their favor?
Why would you specifically say French here?
The French were essentially the antagonists of the Holy Grail film. I'm being careful with my words, but I hope this explains it.
I know they're in the film and aren't friendly. I just think it's odd you seem to assume they're the/a baddie team (and mention them specifically) when the only known baddie role has no affiliation with them.

There are 25 players in this game; the parity has to exist somewhere.

And no I'm not assuming that anyone who has BTSC is bad, I'm putting the idea up for discussion.

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:See, now this is the part that bothers me. Do like 4 or 5 civvies have BTS? Becasue it feels like several people are trying, ACTIVELY trying to keep Made from being lynched.
Maybe they're all French, and using the fact that we don't know the roles in their favor?
Why would you specifically say French here?

The French were essentially the antagonists of the Holy Grail film. I'm being careful with my words, but I hope this explains it.

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