The Syndicate

30 minutes, does that make it mine?

What are you gonna do about it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:That is a compelling case for MM being WW... I'll definitely consider putting my vote there.

You say he has vote manipulation; he has the +5, right? And probably the +2 as well.

I do have a +5, but nobody got a +2.

Turnip Head wrote:I really think it's MM you guys. He's the one who says with such certainty that I'm a pink, that DF was a railroad... I really don't see anyone else acting as much like Water Works as he has, given which players' roles we know WW has learned.

So why don't you vote for me?

Hanna, why did you suggest that MP or Bass might be a baddie?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dunno yet, but I'm going to look at Hanna now.

Well I was going to do this. Instead MP and I discussed a new mafia game for 5 hours. Totally worth it though. But now I'm exhausted.

No. And I still don't believe you TH. I thought juliets might have been on your team, but you said you thought she was green.

TH, Is Hanna on your team?

Dunno yet, but I'm going to look at Hanna now.

On a side note, LC do you have a record of SVS's lynch? I think TH and Hanna voted SVS, but I can't recall who the players who voted TH were. I do know there were six of them.

So... who wants to discuss things today?

Turnip Head wrote:DFaraday knew that only one person knew his role, and that that person was Water Works. But he can't just come out and say that, because it would mean that he was a baddie, too.

I don't know what else to say to you except that I was lucky. I had it narrowed down pretty far, and I think pretty accurately. I was also afraid my death was imminent which is why I used the RB.

Long Con wrote:TH thought Lorab was an RR earlier, and I thought that he might have been using the Utilities role-learn for that knowledge. But none of that panned out.

You also seem to have a lot of knowledge about what properties are alive and dead in this game. Then again I've trusted your intuition because I've had you pegged as a color all this time. But you were slow to accept the possibility of TH being pink.

DFaraday wrote:Well, I don't know what to tell you, MM. Maybe someone was able to protect you last night from the real killer?

EBWOP: 100 is an awful lot of percent, MM.

DFaraday wrote:Even if, as you assume, I am a railroad, I think everyone should think about who the real threats are. At this point, everyone who is not your color is your enemy, and I'm not one of the guys who've been hoarding special abilities. I have no tricks, no allegiance, and let's face it, no real strategy (I'm really off my mark this entire game).

2 posts from DF yesterday, and I'm not sure what you mean TH.

Linki: When did you call Lorab a RR?

Linki 2: That's because I roleblocked him TH. He must have known it, and his posts read like a cornered baddy.

Turnip Head wrote:It's also still possible that MM is Water Works. After all, WW learned DF's role on night 7:

Board movements wrote:10. DFaraday: Started on Kentucky Avenue. Moved 7 (2+5) to Water Works (3+3*4=$24 to WW from bank, learn role).

I am not. But I guess it's a possibility that I can't deny.

Oh, I guess my knowledge of how the jail worked was incomplete.

Linki: Yep, I reread it.

Turnip Head wrote:Bea was in jail this past Day/Night phase, I noticed, so she probably wasn't allowed to post.

She also paid money to get out.

If you go to jail, are you forced to leave after one turn or is it by choice. Either way, why would she leave of her own will? She only was sent there last turn.

Turnip Head wrote:The green is Llama's group. LC did take up the mantle of coming after me once Llama died. I was also suspecting juliets of being a green for the way she followed llama's lead during his lynch. I could see LC being a green, but I could also see him not having money to buy the hotels on his baby blue, since he spent so much on the Auto-Find and potentially more for the Beatdown. Either way he's probably in a group that hasn't bought hotels, so someone with him was either low on money or died.

It only would have cost $250 per person. Since no one else had hotels at the time, it couldn't have been that hard to drop the cash on it.

If Epig didn't have such carefree spending habits, the reds may have had hotels in a single turn.

The evidence was the bea replaced Mongoose who wasn't around Night 2 (bea replaced in on Day 3 I think). But BWT was still alive on Night 2, so if he did have an inactive partner it makes sense to have them make the kills. Also bea hasn't posted since Day 9, so I don't think that she would send in a kill without checking in. That's not like her.

I don't know, but I'd like to discuss it to narrow it down.

We can't completely discount bea actually, but I doubt she is WW.

Some players I don't have reads on or really even spent time observing are Hannah, fingers, and Lorab.

Another thought, I've been under the impression that LC is in a group, but I still can't pinpoint which one. I don't see him being a red or pink. You've said you think the reds are all dead MP. How certain are you? And since he's been hounding TH all game, he's probably not on his team. That leaves baby blues and greens. If he was in the baby blues, his team would have bought hotels way back when they had gathered their group. That leaves the greens.

What are your thoughts MP?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who could be WW though? Is there any theory or consensus on that front?

We can rule out you, Bass, TH and bea. You, Bass, and bea all replaced inactives who could not have killed on every other night, and TH is probably a pink.

I thought BR was on Epi's team, but my reasoning for that I realized was flawed.

I think we should focus on WW today, if no one kills tonight, that would be a good sign, though not for certain, that the beatdown was never claimed, or is gone.



4) Beatdown: This power allows anyone with BTSC to take over the night kill of one of the mafia teams. In order to do so, all members of the mafia team must be dead (at least 1 of them must have been killed with help from a member doing the beatdown), and then the night kill can be claimed. Can be played prior to the requirements occurring, but will only go through once they are met. Bids for this power can be done privately. - Starts at $200

We've already eliminated the RR's, so I don't know if the beatdown is around if they would gain both kills. Probably not, but I'd have to look it up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:No way! Don't tell me it's over. I was using the poll time of 9:07 and was going to swoop in at the last second.

Yup, 10 minutes before the period ends.

Linki: Dang, RIP juliets.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Damn you MM lol.

Dunno how I squeezed it in. I thought I missed it.

What?

$17 on Kentucky

$11 on Kentucky

Linki: You only come in here to get drunk. :P

Also, $3 on Kentucky

Long Con wrote:Great job, Metalmarsh, you took him out with good planning and excellent intuition.

Umm, thanks? Enjoy your brand new NK.

RIP DF.

$1 on Kentucky
$1 on B&O

I'm not letting TH get the hotel this time.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Has anyone bid on the plus ten votes yet?

I believe the bidding on it ended yesterday. Only a brief amount of time.

Turnip Head wrote:

boo wrote:Sale:
The 10 houses that cost $100 each and do not have to be used immediately after buying can be purchased now via PM. You can buy as many as you want, but they cost an additional $25 for each one you buy after 1. You can buy them for the next 2 hours.

10 extra lynch votes are for sale. They cost $50 each and it's 2 max per player. They will stop being sold (if they aren't sold out) in 5 hours.

Hmmm it looks like you're right. Boo didn't say that the votes were sold via PM like the houses.

And I'm pretty sure I saw you online reading the thread when the announcement went up.

I did check in briefly on my phone on the bus. I also tend to leave my browser open when I'm not home. Like how some players hide their online status, I do the opposite.

Turnip Head wrote:How do you know nobody bought them? I didn't because I don't have any money, but I definitely would have bought some if I was able.

I wasn't around, but it said houses were available for sale via pm, but not for the votes.

There were extra votes for sale yesterday, how come nobody bought any?

I'm voting DF.

LC did back off of you after I posted my case that you're pink, and he also has become very interested in lynching DF. Then again, that's not an isolated behavior. I and others have also switched trains of thought.

Turnip Head wrote:And I think Zeek was either red or baby blue. If he was a red and you're right about BR, then Epi and LC were not teammates.

Linki: I'm worried that LC bought Beatdown and that he has enough votes to run lynches, yes. He's also been gunning for me all game, mostly because he thought I was WW. Maybe he was hoping that was the case so he could get his grubby Canadian hands all over the NK.

That's a really good point. I'll think about it.

Would you mind making a list of who you think we should kill, as long or short as you like, even if it's just by player role?

Even if we lynch DF today, the beatdown would still get his kill tomorrow, if he is B&O.

Linki: I don't think LC bought it. If he did, there is definitely not a chance he and Epig could have afforded hotels, no matter who their other parter was. I originally thought SVS had bought it since she had asked questions about it, but she turned out to be a RR instead. And I know I don't have it.

Linki 2: Yes, the baby blues are a possibility. Here are our options then.


1) We search for and lynch the baddies, and see if anyone else starts killing. Then we adjust accordingly.

2) We focus on breaking down color groups (that puts you on this list TH) and let the baddies continue to kill.

If you are right, and the beatdown will become prevalent, then the sooner we found out who has it, the better. Lynching color groups probably won't tell us who has it; we can only hope that we lynched the right person.

Turnip Head wrote:Because the Beatdowns aren't going to NK anyone on their team while WW might. And with an NK the Beatdowns might start to feel confident in running the lynches. Especially if they have extra votes.

I know you've discounted juliets' thoughts, but I'd still lean more towards her view. WW has killed 3 times now, and acquired at least 4 properties as a result. What if MP and/or Bass manage to team up with WW? He still has the ability to learn roles too. Both factions would be dangerous with the kill.

My understanding is that you nor any teammates you might have own the Beatdown role. Which player do you think acquired the beatdown (if any)?

Also TH, why were you so keen to lynch SVS when you thought she was WW (and she wasn't), but now you are redirecting us from hunting for WW?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:Thanks MP - boo will you tell us who replaced who? My spreadsheet will be all goofed up if I have to guess.

I am willing to put a vote on Faraday today because I believe the role block story. I'll think about whether I want to force others to use their +5 votes - do we have evidence they are bad or are we just trying to get rid of the ability now while we can so it can't be used later? I'm a little confused about that point.

We don't have evidence they are bad. I think TH is just saying regardless of whether they're bad or LMS, the latter of which is more likely from a numbers standpoint, at some point they will have lynch control.

But I personally am leaning more towards just flat out lynching DF today, I think. The +5 is something to keep in mind, but it's not somethign we need to coordinate today.

My suggestion is that we look for WW today since that is the one that kills tonight, and DF is a solid backup option.

Linki: Oh that's right. Who killed on Night 7?

Turnip Head wrote:I just saw that BR replaced Elo. You think Elo and Epi had BTSC?

Yes, and I think it is related to the reason Eloh quit.

Look at their interactions from Day 1-2. I'm on my phone right now, so I can't quote effectively, but that's why I think they were partners.

Also, why do you think Epig is a red? I do agree that he and LC were probably on a team, but I don't think that they could have gotten hotels as early as they did, not with the cash Epig had. I just don't see him as a red.