The only vote I have found suspicious thus far is Mongoose's, but this is Day 1, so some sympathy is required. I believe llama's "gambit" was not malicious, and he was merely trying to get Mongoose to play.
*Cue Mongoose deflection accusations.
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- Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:32 pm
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- Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:29 pm
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I was looking for a reaction from SVS. The question was not shifty, nor was I trying to set llama up.DFaraday wrote:I have found MM rather shifty, particularly his questions of Llama that seemed to be setting Llama up.
I also am wary of DH, but I've never been able to read him.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:21 pm
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I thought that just the fact that I hadn't moved my vote would be answer enough. I don't know yet.S~V~S wrote:You didn't actually answer this yet, did you? Who are you planning on moving your vote to?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't plan on voting you, but I am certainly unappreciative with your approach today. You've maintained that voting early is suspicious, but somehow forget to bring up my name in that discussion. Players are bound to draw connections there. I do not want your vote, but being ignored is worse.DharmaHelper wrote:To whom are you planning on changing your vote?Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.
Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.
But I can assure you that by the end of the day, my vote will not be on you.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:18 pm
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No. I was logically proving that Boomslang's theory is inaccurate.Roxy wrote:Are these Maths a joke too?Metalmarsh89 wrote:According to your theory, the only thing that will matter are overall numbers. Let's take a look.Boomslang wrote:Metalmarsh, I'm not arguing about conformism. I'm arguing that, because there are more civs than mafia in the game, any given group of players is more likely to be composed of more civs than mafia. The largest, i.e., majority, group is thus most likely to contain the most civs.
Given a group of maybe 20 players who vote one way, or specifically act one way, 58% of them will be civvie (about 11-12) and 39% will be baddie (about 7-8). But these percentages will apply to any behavior or vote pattern according to your theory, which means that same ratio will exist even if only two players exhibit a specified behavior. Sure there will be more civvies in larger groups, but there will be more baddies to keep the percentages even. Especially in a game where we have two four-player baddie teams and four indies, we have a lot of free-thinking going around, and by proxy, a lot of conforming without hesitation.
So I don't think looking at behaviors is important. Actually, I lied. If there is a behavior that you think is indicative of baddie, of course it's worth looking into. Otherwise, I believe looking at player-specific behaviors is a better bet. Oh and vote patterns.
Linki: What llama said.
I disagree with a good portion of this.
Tbf a lot of your posts make my nose twitch.
So you disagreee with llama and agree with Boomslang?
Linki: ture
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:24 am
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According to your theory, the only thing that will matter are overall numbers. Let's take a look.Boomslang wrote:Metalmarsh, I'm not arguing about conformism. I'm arguing that, because there are more civs than mafia in the game, any given group of players is more likely to be composed of more civs than mafia. The largest, i.e., majority, group is thus most likely to contain the most civs.
Given a group of maybe 20 players who vote one way, or specifically act one way, 58% of them will be civvie (about 11-12) and 39% will be baddie (about 7-8). But these percentages will apply to any behavior or vote pattern according to your theory, which means that same ratio will exist even if only two players exhibit a specified behavior. Sure there will be more civvies in larger groups, but there will be more baddies to keep the percentages even. Especially in a game where we have two four-player baddie teams and four indies, we have a lot of free-thinking going around, and by proxy, a lot of conforming without hesitation.
So I don't think looking at behaviors is important. Actually, I lied. If there is a behavior that you think is indicative of baddie, of course it's worth looking into. Otherwise, I believe looking at player-specific behaviors is a better bet. Oh and vote patterns.
Linki: What llama said.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:08 am
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Haha, my role in my last game was Little Fishes. How convenient.DharmaHelper wrote:No offense, but I didn't quite find you relevant enough to discuss. Comparatively speaking, I have bigger fish to fry.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't plan on voting you, but I am certainly unappreciative with your approach today. You've maintained that voting early is suspicious, but somehow forget to bring up my name in that discussion. Players are bound to draw connections there. I do not want your vote, but being ignored is worse.DharmaHelper wrote:To whom are you planning on changing your vote?Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.
Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:50 am
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Math is certainly not a joke, but that post was.Dom wrote:Roxy, to be fair, I read his math stuff as a joke-- did you not?Roxy wrote:Every time someone uses maths to make it "seem" like what they are saying is fact it makes me want to vote for them. idk why.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Logically speaking, you are correct. I had zero reason for my vote, meaning that Sawyer's vote has a value of say -1, and LC is somewhere between that and negative infinity.Black Rock wrote:I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.
But this maths seems like you are stretching a bit.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:47 am
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I don't plan on voting you, but I am certainly unappreciative with your approach today. You've maintained that voting early is suspicious, but somehow forget to bring up my name in that discussion. Players are bound to draw connections there. I do not want your vote, but being ignored is worse.DharmaHelper wrote:To whom are you planning on changing your vote?Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.
Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:42 am
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Boomslang, I have a more sound counterargument you can address.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I disagree. If anything, I think baddies are more likely to be conformists than civvies.Boomslang wrote:My reasoning is that, if the majority of players are civvies, then the majority/average action taken is most likely to be civvie. It's not perfect, but it's playing the odds.Dom wrote:Does being an outlier make them bad?Boomslang wrote:Excellent, game on. The Day 0 poll really doesn't give us much to go on compared to previous games, but those who failed to check in are certainly the outliers here.
- Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:37 am
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For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.
Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.
Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:41 pm
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And Mongoose has posted in other places.thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:49 pm
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llama is never lynched for being bad, only for being llama. So just like in Zelda, he might try to get SVS NK'd if he is bad, since she has good insight on his playing ability.Made wrote:Biggest ping so far. What are exactly are you trying to say here MMMetalmarsh89 wrote:So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:43 pm
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I've finally bought that album you've got in your avi. I look forward to hearing it onceit arrives.Snow Dog wrote:I'm not familiar with it. It's a term I've not seen in a mafia game I've played yet and now it appears written by two people.thellama73 wrote:"make a federal case" out of something is a common idiom in American English. I do not think two people using it is suspicious.
But I neither believe or disbeleive the notion. I merely observe
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:44 pm
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They are.Spacedaisy wrote:Are votes changeable in this game? I hate that...
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:20 pm
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- Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:18 pm
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Logically speaking, you ate correct. I had zero reason for my vote, meaning that Sawyer's vote has a value of say -1, and LC is somewhere between that and negative infinity.Black Rock wrote:I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:14 pm
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That is assuming I want to lynch SVS.thellama73 wrote:I think all the early votes today are weird. On Day One, more than any other day, we need as much time as possible to pick up on subtle pings.
Mafia tip #17: votes are not only useful for lynching players.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:59 am
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I disagree. If anything, I think baddies are more likely to be conformists than civvies.Boomslang wrote:My reasoning is that, if the majority of players are civvies, then the majority/average action taken is most likely to be civvie. It's not perfect, but it's playing the odds.Dom wrote:Does being an outlier make them bad?Boomslang wrote:Excellent, game on. The Day 0 poll really doesn't give us much to go on compared to previous games, but those who failed to check in are certainly the outliers here.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:54 am
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Voting for lynches is part of mafia. Everyone is expected to do it, therefore it is a task each player must undertake.S~V~S wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yay game.
Voting SVS for no reason.Explain how these two things go together.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Indeed.DharmaHelper wrote:In my experience, if someone gets a couple chuckles, and plays the court jester. it creates a mindset that "this person can't possibly be bad, look how ridiculous they're acting. Plus, they're funny so I want to keep them around and see what else they've got that is funny"thellama73 wrote:Do you think so? My experience is that people often get lynched wrongly for humorous antics in the early days of mafia games, while baddies lay low or pretend to be helpful.DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.
It's a common, effective tactic. Put your enemy at ease, make them either underestimate you.
I usually draw suspicion on day one for being out of tune. I think I am actually doing a fantastic job of staying on task thus far.
I believe you answered your own question in your question.S~V~S wrote:Voting for someone just to start discussion is on task how?
I did not know these things about you, but all the more reason to vote you on Day 1 and make something happen.S~V~S wrote:Perhaps a way to immediately deflect suspicion off of the low poster talk from Llama? Since everyone knows I am the person Most Likely to Start a Federal Case out of taking a vote? Or trying to put the Person Most likely to Become Defensive for No Reason Immediately on the Defense?
So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:28 am
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What changed your mind?
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:09 am
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Are you purposefully posing questions that llama will deem unanswerable?DharmaHelper wrote:The question then becomes are you staying on task to avoid suspicion or staying on task in order to legitimately contribute?
Regardless, it is up to the reader to decide. Voting a (presumably) active player will more likely garner a reaction than voting a (presumably) inactive player.
- Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:04 am
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Indeed.DharmaHelper wrote:In my experience, if someone gets a couple chuckles, and plays the court jester. it creates a mindset that "this person can't possibly be bad, look how ridiculous they're acting. Plus, they're funny so I want to keep them around and see what else they've got that is funny"thellama73 wrote:Do you think so? My experience is that people often get lynched wrongly for humorous antics in the early days of mafia games, while baddies lay low or pretend to be helpful.DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.
It's a common, effective tactic. Put your enemy at ease, make them either underestimate you.
I usually draw suspicion on day one for being out of tune. I think I am actually doing a fantastic job of staying on task thus far.
- Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:00 pm
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Yay game.
Voting SVS for no reason.
Voting SVS for no reason.
- Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:46 pm
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We could set a record for most modkills before Day1.
- Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:46 am
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DH's toasted buns?thellama73 wrote:I spread butter on toast. It's delicious. You should try it.
- Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:51 am
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I only spread your legs.
- Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:25 am
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May your 2015 be filled with many wonderful moments and your games go down in the annals of the Syndicate.thellama73 wrote:I have two in the queue, but because of you slow pokes they didn't get played in 2014.
Linki: Sometimes he eats mine too.
- Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:19 pm
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I dropped out of Film Noir. I played shitty in Occultism. And though Oblique was one of favorites of 2014 and most fun to play, I do not believe it translates to being a crowning acheivement for me.thellama73 wrote:I just looked back at 2013's Game of Champions, and note that nobody voted for the game I hosted in the Day 0 poll, just as nobody has voted for any of the games I hosted in this Day 0 poll. Why are you people not giving good performances (your best performances!) in games I host?
I notice that the more epic full games garner more votes than speed games. Their length does tend to make them more memorable, as it is definitely more difficult to play well and stay alive for 12+ days than for 6-7 days. I don't believe you hosted any full games this year, did you?
- Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:27 am
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I remember that game. Too bad Smaug became hungry for goblins at the end.Spacedaisy wrote:I was going to vote for Fight Club since it was my only win, but as much as I enjoyed the game, I really don't feel like I had any great part in winning it for our team. Instead I am voting for The Hobbit. Although I didn't win, I took out MP early. at least I believe that was the one in which I called his baddie alignment and people voted for him because both David and I were basically saying he was bad. I think. My memory is fuzzy
- Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:47 am
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Have we met?Boomslang wrote:Well, it's been a very long time since I've been on these forums, but I've gotta go with WWE. I remember some great BTSC, fun with roleplaying, and learning more catchphrases from The Rock then any one man should really know...
Vote Boomslang
- Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:58 pm
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Alas, I am an Aardvark now. To be, or not to be...bea wrote:Newt
- Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:15 pm
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Damn secret roles.Epignosis wrote:Really? Huh.MovingPictures07 wrote:Question for Epig: There are still only 30 roles listed but there are 31 players. Will a 31st role be revealed?
- Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:12 pm
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Being the rezzed role-checker who knew half your team, I also considered it my crowning achievement of 2014, even if I did ultimately lose. You just played an even better one.Turnip Head wrote:As for the poll question, I think my greatest mafia achievement in 2014 was in Harry Potter Mafia. It's like Day 10 or whatever and Epi rezzes the role checker, who then rezzes his BTSC partner, and they have intel on half our mafia team. I had to help convince Epi and the rest of the civilians that the rezzed players were recruited and that all their info was false. Somehow it worked and we won!
Strange year. I played better in some of the games that I lost than I did in the games I won.