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by Marmot
Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:33 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

S~V~S wrote:I don;t trust anyone at this point, MM. I am just trying to survive. I might trust you more if you stopped saying stuff like TH is bad, or I am bad. I just want to live.
Well I'm sorry your little Buddha has lost its golden glow. :llama: And perhaps you are right about DP and fingersplints, I did think the same way you did about fingersplints, but not previously about DP.

How do you feel about a LizKeen lynch today (misplaced nurturing feelings aside)?

And what do you think about Dom, the guy who has been hounding you more than I have?


Linki: What of it? It's nothing personal. You have just been slow on the uptake for the lynch of both baddies so far.
by Marmot
Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:18 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

S~V~S wrote:There is only so much fighting I can do being Easter & a big family weekend for me. I will be leaving in about 2 hours, but I can take on all comers before then.

Bullz made an awesome point. Those of you who see what I am saying, especially if I get lynched, see who pushed it the most. Becasue I have been So Obvious, it is even my new rank. These baddies have done nothing but take everything I care about in this game (except one ;) thing ) and everyone I trust (except one person) and I don't particularly care what they think of the game I, and others, have played. Sometimes you get a role that allows obvious, and I think I did. And the more punishment there was for it, the more obvious there was.

Personally, I think that DP & Splints were killed, suspicious as they were, as their lynches would give too much info to the thread. So While I do not particularly want to die, I think it will be OK if I do. It will lay some things out there. God knows I have tried all alone in here :(
But you don't trust me. :mad: :llama:

I feel like Marmot 2.0 has given you reason to trust him, but perhaps I am wrong about that.
by Marmot
Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:24 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

LizKeen wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:What I want to know is what can you accomplish from a group of us telling you where to put your vote that you couldn't accomplish by placing your vote somewhere yourself?
2 mafia have been lynched. If I was mafia and gave my vote away that would make me the worst teammate ever. Me just voting how I want to vote would prove nothing.
:llama:

What would you prove to everyone else by conforming your vote to the player of their choice? Giving the responsibility of your vote to seven other players to handle doesn't seem like a good idea to me. If you are a civilian, you should vote the person you find most suspicious.
by Marmot
Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:03 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

EBWOP: :llama:

Linki: Precisely. It is a weird time in that there is not much activity right now, so that could be the main reason why. But with only three baddies left, I feel like I would have gotten at least a little push back if she was one of them.
by Marmot
Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:00 am
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Black Rock wrote:Interesting. Right at this moment how are you feeling about Liz?
Right now, she would get my vote.

I feel less certain about her than I did about Epignosis, I will say that. On the other hand, nobody has denied the points I brought forth, and I don't know how I feel about that.

I'm still trying to get a feel for who the Celestials are, and I am pretty certain she is not one of them.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:56 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 1]

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LizKeen wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
You stole my line. :fist:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know if baddies can transfer items around between teamies, but my guess is that the vault keeps papers safe from thieves.
I don't think so:
thellama73 wrote:How Items Work

Some items can be used to confer benefits, some cannot. Some items will be consumed when used, some will not. Most items can be stolen. When someone is lynched, all of the items they possess go to the people who voted for them, in order. So the first vote gets the first item, etc. When someone is NKed, whoever performed the kill gets the item. Items may not be voluntarily traded between players.

Transfer and traded are two different things. So I would say it could be possible for a teammate to give an item to put in the safe.

I'm baffled as to why the stock certificate would start a fire. Why would anyone want to burn stock? Unless the stock market crashes.

I'm off to bed but I hope tomorrow doesn't find the whole city burned down. :flamed:
Who had the safe? Epignosis. The other baddie had a vault.

On Night 1, LizKeen could not have possibly known this unless she was a baddie. :llama:
Metalmarsh, how do we know that it's true that other baddies could put things in the safe and vault? I mean if its true, then yeah Liz's comment looks bad. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying here.
@juliets. LizKeen asked this question on Night 1. My point here was that LizKeen said that "it could be possible for a teammate to give an item to put in the safe". Everyone knew that Epignosis had a safe because he voted for it on Day 0. However, nobody would have known that Epignosis was bad at that point in time unless they were one of his teammates. Regardless if it's true or false, it looks like LizKeen asked this question with the knowledge that a "teammate" even had a safe. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:49 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 2]

This is what I was referring to.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I saw this post from SVS, and want to bring it back up.
S~V~S wrote:Top Posters (I doubt they silenced A Person, lol):

Metalmarsh89 160 Dead
Golden 155 Talking
Epignosis 124 Talking
Turnip Head 120
S~V~S 109 Talking
rabbit8 105 Talking
Long Con

So it is possibly someone else, but likely LC or TH. Both usually post overnight, so we should know soonish. I also wonder if TH could have been silenced, since Epi was insanified. They both had a similar suspicion. I would guess either they are protecting Liz with an implied frame or actually framing Liz.

The post in the NP about the will also leads me to be more leery of Zomba. This post intrigues me immensely. After I read it, I PMed the host to double check that I had the will. And I did. So either it is another will or...

I have a theory that the person who was supposed to be NKed may have been me since the killer is supposedly in possession of the will in that message; had I died, the BB of Bremen WOULD have had the will. The baddies can't steal items, they have to kill for them. Now there is not a gossip/message to the thread type role. So it must be a function of the Doctor, or of Gilchrist. Who is the person the message purports to be the writer of the will.

I really, really doubt Llama would allow Gilchrist to make this post, if it is his power, since a PLAYER name has been attached to the will. So I think this is a message from the baddies, tbh. The main sticking point here is that how would they know the real Gilchrist would not say, "SHENANIGANS!!!"

Have not figured that out yet.


So less than 90 minutes after Day 4 starts, SVS introduces a theory that Epignosis and TH were simultaneously targeted with a curse and a silence specifically by the same team. That sounds premeditated to me. Sure Epignosis was targeted with a curse, but is it really that likely that it was a baddie who did it? And also, it just seems so early for SVS to deduce that TH was targeted with a silence, just because he had the same suspicion as Epignosis.

LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Oh and welcome Bass.


And this (finally) is the first time that LizKeen mentioned any suspicion of Epignosis. This happened Day 3, just after SVS mentioned the theory that TH and Epignosis were targeted together, in agreement with SVS's post.


:llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:44 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Black Rock wrote:Get back here MM.
I'm still here yo. :p




































:llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:43 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Belated linki: Yeah, I don't understand either...

:llama:

My initial thought is for her to place her vote on SVS, but I dunno what that will do.

Why SVS?
I still think S :llama: V :llama: S could be bad based on multiple circumstances.

1) Defending the millionaire when blindfaeth did his thing Day 1, then going after Zomba after her name was revealed.
2) The last point in the list I brought forth on LizKeen, in which LizKeen suspects Epignosis based on reasoning brought forth by SVS.
3) Defending Epignosis yesterday
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:35 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Belated linki: Yeah, I don't understand either...

:llama:

My initial thought is for her to place her vote on SVS, but I dunno what that will do.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:34 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Less than 24 hours left in the day, and still waiting on these people to post.

Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Canucklehead
Turnip Head (possibly silenced since he voted already)

And hardly a word from these people. (1-2 posts)

Black Rock
DFarady
Dom
Elohcin
juliets




That's a lot of quiety quietness. :llama:
It's Easter weekend dude. Like I said I have to vote today because I won't be around at all tomorrow. I just hopped like a bunny rabbit all over the house so the kids wake in joyful moods. I am here now to decide what I want to do with today's vote.
I didn't think about this until after I posted that list, as you may have noticed.

:llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:31 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

EBWOP: :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:31 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

LizKeen wrote:The host has no problem with it so I'm going to try it. The only way I can think of to get you guys to believe me is to hand you my vote at this point. So here's the deal: Tomorrow's Easter and I won't be around until late, however, if before I go to bed, (and I'm an insomniac so that will be a while), if enough people can come to an agreement on where I should place my vote tomorrow I will put my vote on that person. First, second, third vote, whatever I really don't care. (Obviously not going to vote myself of course.) I won't go off just 3 people because that could be mafia, I think to be fair I need at least 7 people in agreement.
I don't really understand.

What I want to know is what can you accomplish from a group of us telling you where to put your vote that you couldn't accomplish by placing your vote somewhere yourself?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:39 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Do the Celestials and/or the mafia have BTSC? :llama:
What's the reason for you asking why? I guess I had just assumed the Celestials had BTSC.
I have too. :llama: But I just realized that it was not explicitly stated, unless I missed it.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:11 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Do the Celestials and/or the mafia have BTSC? :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:58 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I do not think Vomps is bad, and anyone who votes him a second time today should be seriously looked at as possibly being bad. I think people looking to vote him today are just grasping at straws.

:llama:



Do you think vomps is not bad because of the Zomba lynch, or does he read not bad to you?

Linki: I've never heard that before. I also try to read each game separate from another. If someone else brings something like that up, I'm willing to talk about it, but I don't usually go out of my way to compare a player's behavior from one game to another. Every player adapts and regresses to the game, just like a pitcher in baseball.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:04 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

juliets wrote:Metalmarsh, it is saturday which is a busy day for me and it's easter. I will be sure and comment on your posts. Also, don't forget you are an ultra high poster so try not to judge by your standards (I don't know if you were so if you weren't just ignore my comment). I do think it's odd that some people haven't posted at all in the new day. (Except TH because I feel sure he is silenced).
I'll try not to.

And if/when other players do start popping in to comment post, there are at least some things for them to talk about. :llama:

I do remember Canucklegoose saying recently that she would be busy with some things IRL. I also would like to hear from Bass.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:44 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

I listed you in the 1-2 posts list, because at the time you had 2 posts. ;)

I think there is some decent reasoning to lynch LizKeen. However, I don't think doing so without some quality discussion would be a good idea. I brought a bunch of quotes and points forward that I thought were worth looking at and talking about, and SVS is the only one to comment on them, and I guess rabbit too.

If you honestly have nothing to add, well thank you for at least being honest. :llama:

I guess I am also forgetting it is Easter weekend, and some people tend to be busy during such times.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:22 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Less than 24 hours left in the day, and still waiting on these people to post.

Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Canucklehead
Turnip Head (possibly silenced since he voted already)

And hardly a word from these people. (1-2 posts)

Black Rock
DFarady
Dom
Elohcin
juliets




That's a lot of quiety quietness. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:02 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Just checking. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:28 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

rabbit8 wrote:I agree with everything you're selling SVS. I have a large family, I will be less active, MM, but i think all your posts are on point.

Everyone is awesome, and I love rainbows and stuff....
You have a large family, your username is rabbit8, I see the correlation. :llama:

You'll get no reciprocal feelings from me either.

rabbit, do you think I am bad?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:13 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:What do you think about TH right now, SVS?

Also, what do you think about LizKeen?







:llama:
I think TH <3 civs :cloud9: and I think baddies fear him :srsnod:

I have spent most of the game thinking Liz is bad, tbh. But right now, seeing everyone else (and I trust none of you tbh, lol) closing in on her, my misplaced nurturing feelings are kicking in. But she has struck me as bad pretty much most of the game. My main interest today is saying what I have to say since who knows if i will be silenced or dead tomorrow.

I miss Splints :( I did think it was interesting that she brought up Faraday again before she was killed. What do you think of Faraday? And Rabbit, you buying what i am selling yet? I will give you a reduced price :)
No opinions on either of them right now, except that rabbit seems quiter to me lately. Should I be looking at them?

Misplaced nurturing feelings?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:47 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

S~V~S wrote:I dunno, you seem to be implying it has something to do with being a baddie :shrug:
You (generally) read to me as civvie, but there's been a lot of circumstantial stuff that say otherwise. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:42 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
Replies: 4158
Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

What do you think about TH right now, SVS?

Also, what do you think about LizKeen?







:llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:37 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
Replies: 4158
Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

S~V~S wrote:MM, what if there was some other way I deduced that TH was hit with a silence? ;)
Ok, what if there was some other way? ;) :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:40 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 2]

Disclaimer: This is not a case (well not intended to be anyway). These are speculations that I would love some feedback on.


LizKeen wrote:Well that was quick, I like a host who's on it :)


I'm guessing SVS's will wasn't stolen because they were too busy stealing my ear tubes. But not before I overheard something. I don't know much but my advice today would be: Zombarella - be very careful who you put your vote on today. And everyone should be on the lookout for easy lynches.

I hope I was allowed to say all that. I only confirmed that I could say the tubes were stolen.


Also- RIP BR

And those pictures are great!
This is the one post from LizKeen that made me feel good about her at the time. This seemed like a civilian thing to say. I guess the baddies could have concocted this idea to help steer the suspicion away from Zomba on Day 2, and that still might be the case, if LizKeen is bad.



Moving on, we also have this post made a little later on Day 2.
LizKeen wrote:Mr. Fung, do you know if the ivory, jade and amber would be dangerous if they were in the hands of the wrong team?


Is there usually this much requoting in Syndicate games? I'm really wondering if it's a mafia tactic just to be a massive distraction. If so then you're doing well.

I'm assuming that Golden has been silenced because I can't imagine him being this quiet for this long given his day one posts. I'm rather bummed if that's the case because I was interested to hear what he had to say. I feel he would have at least commented on my previous post because everyone else seems to be ignoring it. I would expect that from mafia but not everyone can be that. Granted it wasn't a super helpful post but no comments at all? Really? Except Zomberella heeding my warning.

I'm going back and re-reading (a task I dread) everyone bf was suspicious of so he won't have died in vain. The mafia would have most definitely wanted him so and I'd say there's at least one if not more of you in those 8 votes. Black Rock is off the hook obviously and I'm giving Zomb the benefit of the doubt now so that at least narrows it down to 6 for me.

I think if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a goose. (No reference to Mongoose/Sophie intended)
Paragraph 1: Thinking back on this, LizKeen seems to be implying that she wants to know what happens if the Celestials get said items. In my opinion, the Celestials are not a threat to the civlians. This could be speculation from a baddie perspective, to whom the Celestials do pose a threat.

Paragraph 3: LizKeen is persistant that people pick up on her warning.

Paragraph 4: LizKeen said Zomba is off the hook for some reason. I don't really understand why.


LizKeen wrote:No, before. I put it out there because as I no longer have it that is probably the most useful info I will have. I thought mafia had stolen it but I see that is not one of their abilities so I can assume it's in the hands of the celestials.

I have been rereading since my last post and had several posts I had quoted and commented on up to page 15 and then screwed up and lost it all. :sigh: I'll have to start again tomorrow. :pout: Based on what I had reread I would say my current suspicions are SVS, rabbit, LongCon and Vompatti. But I'll have to go into that further tomorrow because it's really late and I'm tired.
Noteworthy: At this point, near the end of Day 2, SVS, rabbit, Long Con, and Vompatti are LizKeen's top suspects.


LizKeen wrote:But didn't you just ask me to do that earlier? When I decided to focus on SVS and leave rabbit, LC and Vomp til later? (I'm going to wait until after the lynch to make that post because it may lead me in new directions) It appears that MP is seeing some of the things I was seeing. MM could be bad, I'm just a little scared to put a vote there since I know (and said in an earlier post) that the mafia was going to go after an easy lynch today. On the other hand I previously said it looked like SVS was trying to avert lynching MM and if she would turn out to be bad then it would seem she's trying to help a teammate. Whichever way MM flips is going to be very telling.
LizKeen introduces a theory that SVS and I could be bad. :llama:
LizKeen wrote:I'm so very sorry I missed today. My kids are on spring break and I was just epically busy today and I left without my cell phone so I missed the vote. TBH, I'm not sure how I would have voted as anything I said about SVS doesn't seem to hold water with anyone else but at the same time I warned about an easy lynch target so I wouldn't have voted MM either. I've spent the last 2+ hours just catching up on today and making notes.
Then after the lynch, says she would not have voted for me. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but I prefer honesty over "looking correct", and I think civilians should in general.



Here, LizKeen quotes some posts from rabbit and vomps. It seems she had backed off of rabbit, and considered vompatti not useful. I don't think this is indicative one way or the other. This post was made on Day 3. Up to this point, LizKeen still has not voiced any suspicion of Epignosis, even though she has recently emphasized that she's been suspicious of him since Day 2. Strangely enough, she also skipped over Long Con, even though he was on her original suspect list.



I saw this post from SVS, and want to bring it back up.
S~V~S wrote:Top Posters (I doubt they silenced A Person, lol):

Metalmarsh89 160 Dead
Golden 155 Talking
Epignosis 124 Talking
Turnip Head 120
S~V~S 109 Talking
rabbit8 105 Talking
Long Con

So it is possibly someone else, but likely LC or TH. Both usually post overnight, so we should know soonish. I also wonder if TH could have been silenced, since Epi was insanified. They both had a similar suspicion. I would guess either they are protecting Liz with an implied frame or actually framing Liz.

The post in the NP about the will also leads me to be more leery of Zomba. This post intrigues me immensely. After I read it, I PMed the host to double check that I had the will. And I did. So either it is another will or...

I have a theory that the person who was supposed to be NKed may have been me since the killer is supposedly in possession of the will in that message; had I died, the BB of Bremen WOULD have had the will. The baddies can't steal items, they have to kill for them. Now there is not a gossip/message to the thread type role. So it must be a function of the Doctor, or of Gilchrist. Who is the person the message purports to be the writer of the will.

I really, really doubt Llama would allow Gilchrist to make this post, if it is his power, since a PLAYER name has been attached to the will. So I think this is a message from the baddies, tbh. The main sticking point here is that how would they know the real Gilchrist would not say, "SHENANIGANS!!!"

Have not figured that out yet.


So less than 90 minutes after Day 4 starts, SVS introduces a theory that Epignosis and TH were simultaneously targeted with a curse and a silence specifically by the same team. That sounds premeditated to me. Sure Epignosis was targeted with a curse, but is it really that likely that it was a baddie who did it? And also, it just seems so early for SVS to deduce that TH was targeted with a silence, just because he had the same suspicion as Epignosis.

LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Oh and welcome Bass.


And this (finally) is the first time that LizKeen mentioned any suspicion of Epignosis. This happened Day 3, just after SVS mentioned the theory that TH and Epignosis were targeted together, in agreement with SVS's post.





This is what I've got so far. I stopped a little into Day 3.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:34 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Long Con wrote:Interesting point on Lizkeen, Metalmarsh! It's like she knew that a baddie or Celestial had the Safe, isn't that right?
Possibly, yes. :llama:

I've got some more points I'm putting together right now.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:49 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't blame you, I need to do some studying as well. :llama:

LizKeen: what are your thoughts right now on her?
Thought you'd just been reading my posts? :P Yeah, I still think Liz is bad. I just can't add up a bunch of things she's said with the idea she's civ. I think your latest point is quite interesting too. As far as the Vomp thing is concerned, it's not a battle I care too much about and I'm not going to waste much effort since he's not interested in defending himself, but I still think that when you look at all the factors from day 3, he probably isn't bad. How do you feel about that? Is there anyone else you're looking at?

Yes I have been reading, I just wanted to know how you felt now, as opposed to before. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:28 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

I don't blame you, I need to do some studying as well. :llama:

LizKeen: what are your thoughts right now on her?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:19 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
Replies: 4158
Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

It's Saturday! :llama: Won't somebody come in here and chat with me?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:15 pm
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Topic: Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]
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Views: 90326

Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 1]

LizKeen wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
You stole my line. :fist:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know if baddies can transfer items around between teamies, but my guess is that the vault keeps papers safe from thieves.
I don't think so:
thellama73 wrote:How Items Work

Some items can be used to confer benefits, some cannot. Some items will be consumed when used, some will not. Most items can be stolen. When someone is lynched, all of the items they possess go to the people who voted for them, in order. So the first vote gets the first item, etc. When someone is NKed, whoever performed the kill gets the item. Items may not be voluntarily traded between players.

Transfer and traded are two different things. So I would say it could be possible for a teammate to give an item to put in the safe.

I'm baffled as to why the stock certificate would start a fire. Why would anyone want to burn stock? Unless the stock market crashes.

I'm off to bed but I hope tomorrow doesn't find the whole city burned down. :flamed:
Who had the safe? Epignosis. The other baddie had a vault.

On Night 1, LizKeen could not have possibly known this unless she was a baddie. :llama:
by Marmot
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

After rereading you Bullzeye, I don't see anything, with the possible exception of your Day 1 defense of the "Millionaire". But even that makes sense in the context of the argument.

Per some of your more recent thoughts though, I'll be rereading LizKeen next. I'm definitely overdue on a reread of her.
by Marmot
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

It doesn't do anything. :(

Well that's a bummer. :llama:
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:42 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

Another theory that I have regarding the safe. And this one could be a stupid theory, but we'll see. :llama:

Long Con did not get a single item from the Epignosis lynch, meaning that all of Epignosis's items were stolen (aside from the safe), or that Epignosis was able to put one or more items inside the safe, as Long Con suggested.

To me, fingersplints seemed like an odd kill choice last night, but perhaps the baddies only killed fingersplints to get the safe back? If the safe is empty, this doesn't seem like a great idea, especially since there were at least three other players I would have expected to be killed instead. So I think that the safe did have something inside.

And this leads me to the Iffy part of this theory. What if there is a key that is required to open the safe? What if the person who voted for the key still has the key? This brings us around to Bullzeye.

I'll do a reread to see if there is anything that might support this theory.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:20 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

LizKeen wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
LizKeen wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Being useful and being a civvie are two entirely different things though.
Ok, what is it about Vompatti's post that you're finding civvie?
His posts are the usual Vompatti stuff.

Well that would drive me batty.


I wish I knew how to convince you people I'm not bad. Does it even make sense I would be on a team with Epignosis? I've thought he was bad since about Day 2. And he was trying to steer people towards me Day 3.
That doesn't make you civvie at all you know. :llama:

I don't think you're bad, but I do plan on a reread to figure out where to go next, and see if Epignosis left any bread crumbs for us, though probably not.
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:17 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

By the way Long Con, :llama: who are you looking at today?
by Marmot
Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:16 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

I did not pen it. :llama:
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:50 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

And also, RIP fingersplints. Sorry to see you go. :(
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:52 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 6]

I feel like I suddenly have some big shoes to fill. :llama:
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:21 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.
I'm getting just as tired of his votes for me as you are. :suspish:
I know I suggested everyone vote for you on Day 2, but he really seems to enjoy it. :haha:
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.
What do you think happens when the millionaire gets more power? Maybe his vote becomes more?
That's one possibility.

Another one I thought about is that every vote against him lets him steal an item. That might help explain the unaccounted items.

Then again, all the safecrackers knew Epignosis had a safe, so he could be an easy target in that regard.
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:46 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:19 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

In addition to the safe Epignosis picked at the beginning, here are the other items that he should have obtained at some point in the game, along with their current location, if known.

Black Rock 1.0 ---> Two Headed Elephant - We know DP ended up with this though, so it is moot here
Metalmarsh89 1.0 ---> Bottle - TH claims to have it
Golden ---> Green Jade Hand - ???
DisgruntledPorcupine ---> Two-Headed Elephant - ??? / Possibly another item or two that DP stole if he was a thief - ???
Epignosis ---> Safe - fingersplints should have it, but ???
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:36 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Long Con wrote:I got nothing. Perhaps fingersplints got the safe WITH a few items in it?
Well, I guess that's not a big deal then if that's the case. I don't know if I should expect her to tell us what all the items are or not, if there was more than just the safe.
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:10 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Turnip Head wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I have the bottle.
Is there a message? :pirate:
A message would make more sense than what the bottle actually does :grin:
Indeed.

And after I think about it more, I do think you are telling the truth. But at this point, I don't see any harm in checking just to be safe.
by Marmot
Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:08 am
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis was the killer right? So potentially, he would have had 3 items from killing players, plus 1 item from my lynch, plus 1 item that he got at the start of the game, his safe. That's a total of 5 items.

Since I did not receive an item from the lynch, that means that Epignosis had no more than 2 items, since player's items from a lynch are distributed to the players in order of votes. I am most interested in finding out here the bottle is, because my suspicion of TH hinges entirely on that. I realize this puts TH in a bad spot if this doesn't incriminate him, but he's not the only one.
I'm pretty sure that TH had already said he had the bottle. Not too sure how he got the bottle since I don't think he's a thieving role, but I am pretty sure it was mentioned with the curse.
I know, I know TH said that. But he could have lied about it to try to clear himself. If he and Epignosis are on the same team, I could certainly see them doing that. Let us also no forget that DP ended up with the elephant that your original role obtained. Since DP was killed Night 4, I am more inclined to believe that he stole it from Epignosis, and they killed him to keep him quiet about who he got the elephant from. I also think it is pretty evident at this point that DP was some sort of thief.

The first part of this theory is a big IF, but the rest of it is more likely.
by Marmot
Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:27 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Epignosis was the killer right? So potentially, he would have had 3 items from killing players, plus 1 item from my lynch, plus 1 item that he got at the start of the game, his safe. That's a total of 5 items.

Since I did not receive an item from the lynch, that means that Epignosis had no more than 2 items, since player's items from a lynch are distributed to the players in order of votes. I am most interested in finding out here the bottle is, because my suspicion of TH hinges entirely on that. I realize this puts TH in a bad spot if this doesn't incriminate him, but he's not the only one.
by Marmot
Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:51 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

Hey Long Con. If you don't mind me asking, did you get an item from the lynch of Epignosis?

I didn't get anything.
by Marmot
Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:49 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [NIGHT 5]

S~V~S wrote:Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.
Not me.

No. No. No. No. No.

Don't mind me, just relieving myself.




Btw, nice job everyone. Thank you for believing LC and myself.
by Marmot
Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:42 pm
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Re: Harry Stephen Keeler [DAY 5]

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

Smash her face then!!!!! :D
Cyber-smash. Here I come SVS!!!!!

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Excuse me? :scared:
Yes.

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