The Syndicate

I voted DF.

Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: You know I love you, right Marshy?
Indeed.

Flash Mafia was 12 days of complete mind fuckery and I feel like this game is heading in the same direction.

How do you like my shiny new banner?

I want one.

S~V~S wrote:I was kind of hoping for MMs opinion. But thanks for yours, everyone seems to trust Golden except me, i guess.

I still feel the same way. I don't trust him, but also have no clear reason to distrust him.

I don't think anyone feels threatened by me.

Question to anyone: why are golden and sloonei still alive?

Spacedaisy wrote: You know I love you, right Marshy?

Indeed.

Flash Mafia was 12 days of complete mind fuckery and I feel like this game is heading in the same direction.

Sloonei wrote:Well then metalmarsh remains a top suspect.

I know, let's lynch Metalmarsh again and see what happens!

Sloonei wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@ SVS, Dom's lynch message seemed to give us a pretty strong hint about what metalmarsh's role is.
I don't see a win condition listed for that role though.
Fair point, but we can at least assess that he's probably not on either of the mafia teams.

Actually, I'm not the role you're thinking of. I didn't even realize Andrew Lippa was a role in this game.

Spacedaisy wrote:Because my vote was obviously going to MM, I debated if I should or not because it seemed like a wasted vote. Then I decided to at least put it there until I decided for sure. Next thing I know two people come out of the blue and with very little conversation regarding MM before this, throw their votes on him. Suddenly, he is the leader. Why would anyone not find that unsettling?

And frankly, I get that Golden trusts you two, but I don't. I only trust him and myself right now.

Did you second-guess your read on me, or the players who voted for me?

Sloonei wrote:Who is this burrs?

By golly, that was fun.

Sloonei wrote:I am sorry if I was wrong, really. You've played an excellent game either way, and it would suck to go down like this.

Tell me about it.

Sloonei wrote:I didn't expect my vote to stay on you all day, but as things wound down my gut kept telling me to stick with it. Let's hope it was right this time.

You're not even close to right dude. I say I'm not going to be around for a day, and you all get together and put votes on me. Hardly a chance to defend myself, nor anything to even defend myself from.

I thought we had a productive discussion to start the day, so I honestly have no idea what curtailed those ideas.

And again, I am furious that you guys didn't bother making a real case. I told you, I'm not getting lynched without a real case.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Heres to a pointless lynch.
Any thoughts on those of us voting for you?

Yeah, I expected a case and I didn't get one.

So frankly, I am not happy with it at all.

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:I think that is more likely than gumshoe or devin. Also reinforces that B & C is not the silencer, and that the phantom is.
I suppose JJJ and I are also on the same baddie team then?
This post makes no sense at all.

You said it is fairly likely (or more likely) that Jay is the Phantom and the silencer.

You said it is unlikely that that I am on Team 2.

You voted for me.

So yes, these assumptions would put myself and Jay on the same baddie team.

Heres to a pointless lynch.

I am in afuckong terrible psotions to degend. Lynch me or not.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You guys know how to make an end of the day interesting.
Convince me that you are town.

I am on my phone right now, so that would be difficult even if I wasn't.

But lynch me if you must. I will do what I can to make sure this day doesn't end in a tie.

Golden wrote:I think that is more likely than gumshoe or devin. Also reinforces that B & C is not the silencer, and that the phantom is.

I suppose JJJ and I are also on the same baddie team then?

You guys know how to make an end of the day interesting.

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone have another suspect they think we should be looking at today? Or maybe someone has a strong #2 after faraday? I'm feeling good about this case, but i haven't been right the previous two days, plus we've still got a bunch of time left. It would be a shake to continue letting that go to waste.

SVS because NOU.

I still think Spacedaisy is worth looking at. I also have been very busy yesterday and today, so I apologize for my lack of participation. Fingersplints is on my list too, but I need to give her a proper look first.

I'll leave my vote where it is though.

I'l

Golden wrote:SVS, I think this probably an agree to disagree in terms of whether it would be role hinting, but putting that aside I would note that there is pretty decent evidence that there isn't another recruit out there.

We know they were recruited by LC, who died after only three nights and could recruit on odd nights only - giving him exactly two opportunities. He also could only recruit three specific roles. I calculate the odds of him successfully hitting would be 0.08%. Add to that, we had specific evidence in the night post of LC recruiting BR (the two hooded figures shaking hands on night three).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think LC could only recruit one player, but there were three roles who were recruitable.

fingersplints wrote: JJJ

dfaraday is my strongest suspect atm so will place my vote there for now. Sloonei I am right there with you with still finding nijuu suspicious. I don't know why MM is trying to push her as a confirmed civvie. I don't trust him at all though, so I am not really surprised by that. I would consider voting for him or nijuu as well.

nijuu I'm positive I have had more then 3 votes actually with the changing votes. (off the top of my head the two you mention from DF, some from nutella, you at least once I think, one from Golden when silenced, and another from JJJ) Just because they changed off of me doesn't mean they weren't cast.

Golden, I vote as late as I can every single game (I feel like a broken record as I know I have said this before), but have needed to especially in this one where I have been under considerable suspicion for days. I'm not sure how anyone can fault me for holding my vote to possibly save myself.

I believe niju was only talking about official votes.

Suggestion for you, and anyone else for that matter. The singer appears to still be active and alive. Who do you suppose it could be? I'm not looking for an answer from anyone, but it's worth looking back at the songs.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.
JJ wouldn't be a bad kill from the perspective of DF.
It kinda changes your theory though. You had DF listed as the Phantom and fingersplints listed as B&C. I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Is it vote records?
If anything, I think it would be the other way around. There is a noticeable trend among the nightkills.

Team Webber has nightkilled Epignosis, Sloonei, FZ., timmer, Scotty, and Epignosis 2.0. All solid mafia players who contribute consistently and don't miss votes.

Team Longhorn has nightkilled Golden, Bass_the_Clever, Sloonei, Canucklehead, and JaggedJimmyJay. A couple solid choices, but Bass and Canucklehead are both much quieter players, making for odder nightkill choices.

So to me, I think whoever is making the nightkills selections for Team Wildhorn is not paying attention as much as the player from Team Webber. Factor in the 1 or 2 missed nightkills, and the theory gets a little more support.
i'm not sure i agree with this assessment. There could be any number of explanations for all of these nightkills. The Bass kill attempt could have been an attempt to cause confusion or (perhaps) a reidrection, if such a thing exists in this game, or something else. Canucklehead was a widely accepted town read from what I remember of my time earlier in the game, so it's possible that peron just wanted to get her out of the way on a night where they thought she'd be a safe kill and a more obvious choice would likely be protected.
niju has been a pretty accepted town read by everyone. DFaraday does not seem to realize this, and coincidentally, niju is still alive.
i don't seem to realize this either :o

You're so bad.

:P

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm also only 300 posts behind you two.
we better lynch you before you catch up.

Aw shit. I'mma stop posting now.

But seriously, Jay is missing out on all this activity.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.
On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.
JJ wouldn't be a bad kill from the perspective of DF.
It kinda changes your theory though. You had DF listed as the Phantom and fingersplints listed as B&C. I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Is it vote records?
If anything, I think it would be the other way around. There is a noticeable trend among the nightkills.

Team Webber has nightkilled Epignosis, Sloonei, FZ., timmer, Scotty, and Epignosis 2.0. All solid mafia players who contribute consistently and don't miss votes.

Team Longhorn has nightkilled Golden, Bass_the_Clever, Sloonei, Canucklehead, and JaggedJimmyJay. A couple solid choices, but Bass and Canucklehead are both much quieter players, making for odder nightkill choices.

So to me, I think whoever is making the nightkills selections for Team Wildhorn is not paying attention as much as the player from Team Webber. Factor in the 1 or 2 missed nightkills, and the theory gets a little more support.
i'm not sure i agree with this assessment. There could be any number of explanations for all of these nightkills. The Bass kill attempt could have been an attempt to cause confusion or (perhaps) a reidrection, if such a thing exists in this game, or something else. Canucklehead was a widely accepted town read from what I remember of my time earlier in the game, so it's possible that peron just wanted to get her out of the way on a night where they thought she'd be a safe kill and a more obvious choice would likely be protected.

niju has been a pretty accepted town read by everyone. DFaraday does not seem to realize this, and coincidentally, niju is still alive.

I'm also only 300 posts behind you two.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.
On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.
JJ wouldn't be a bad kill from the perspective of DF.
It kinda changes your theory though. You had DF listed as the Phantom and fingersplints listed as B&C. I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Is it vote records?

If anything, I think it would be the other way around. There is a noticeable trend among the nightkills.

Team Webber has nightkilled Epignosis, Sloonei, FZ., timmer, Scotty, and Epignosis 2.0. All solid mafia players who contribute consistently and don't miss votes.

Team Longhorn has nightkilled Golden, Bass_the_Clever, Sloonei, Canucklehead, and JaggedJimmyJay. A couple solid choices, but Bass and Canucklehead are both much quieter players, making for odder nightkill choices.

So to me, I think whoever is making the nightkills selections for Team Wildhorn is not paying attention as much as the player from Team Webber. Factor in the 1 or 2 missed nightkills, and the theory gets a little more support.

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.
On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.
JJ wouldn't be a bad kill from the perspective of DF.

It kinda changes your theory though. You had DF listed as the Phantom and fingersplints listed as B&C. I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Is it vote records?

Sloonei, should we assume it was Bonnie & Clyde though? Every other even night kill (and the odd Night 5) has been via gunshot or car.

I like the theory of natural causes better.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.

On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.

Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.

Golden wrote:I don't feel the need for a consensus because I had B & C narrowed down to JJ and splints and now one is dead.

I'm pretty sure its splints.

Like, really

Phantom: DF or MM
B & C: splints

I'd call it 95% sure.

Which side of the fence are you on? Do you think that Scotty was nightkilled by Wildhorn team, or do you think they missed the kill, and someone else tried to nightkill him?

It's a normal thing here, depending on the host though. A normal game wouldn't require any kill flavor since it is obvious who is performing the kill. But in a semi-closed setup, the flavor plays a very important part I believe.

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.
You were? I asked before and you said you weren't.
If I did I misunderstood the question. It was day four, the day LC was lynched. I do remember saying that I didn't think it was necessarily fact that they were working together, and that it wasn't the same role (I had specifically clarified that).

I think you are correct. I do know I did not get the extra vote against me since my target was lynched (in case anyone was interested).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand
I don't have it handy. I just have the Day 8 votes handy. I can look it up though.

Of the living players, only Golden, myself, nijukyugou, and S~V~S made the vote. Devin and Gumshoe were obviously inactive. Spacedaisy had not yet replaced the inactive DREAM. DFaraday and fingersplints both missed the vote, and Sloonei was still dead.

I think before we take this further, we need to figure out a consensus on the Night 8 kill. I still think it was not Team Wildhorn, but I don't know who it would have been.

@DOM: Who performed the nightkill on Night 8. Are we permitted to learn this?

Sloonei wrote:When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

I honestly don't remember the insanifier. This game has just been so long.

Golden wrote:I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.

You were? I asked before and you said you weren't.

Sloonei wrote:For people who know musicals: which role(s) seem like they could be possible matches for the silencer? I ask because why not?

No idea. My original thought was Bonnie & Clyde, because I've only been silenced once this game, and that was simultaneous to being targeted by Jekyll & Hyde.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.
night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand

I don't have it handy. I just have the Day 8 votes handy. I can look it up though.

Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.

Hold on, let me pull up my spreadsheet.

Sloonei wrote:It also does not escape me that some scum players could have been nightkilled at some point during this game. I am not going to operate under that assumption, but it's a possibility and it is in my mind.

If you don't operate under this assumption, that means we are currently in LYLO.

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm right here. Reevaluate me now.
Who's getting your vote?

I voted Spacedaisy for now. I still think she is on Team Wildhorn.

Dom wrote:
Act One, Scene Thirteen
ENTER JAGGEDJIMMYJAY. HE SITS ON THE APRON CS.

A CAR FLIES FROM ABOVE AND SMASHES HIM INTO BITS.

JJJ has been killed.
It is now Day 13. You have 48 Hours to lynch someone.

Oh damn. Well bye Jay, and thanks for joinging.

I'm right here. Reevaluate me now.

I will respond as time allows. My weekend grew rather busy.

Oh geez, did everyone wander away when I reminded them the night phase doesn't end for another 2 days?

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: What is to stop a pair (assuming there are two left) of fingersplints and Jay being the last two members of Team Webber? Or you and I? Or you and Spacedaisy? Or fingersplints and Gumshoe? Or DF and Jay?
Nothing. What do all those teams have in common?

One of fingersplints, DF and you is on them all.

Before your approach to me raising this yesterday, I had it very firmly pegged as DF and it still could well be. I've just read back the roles and I can see perhaps where you are coming from as well, so...

Can you see this, though:

If you are civilian, you should be comfortable with me pursuing this theory, provided I lynch splints and DF before you, because you would likely be able to see I'm right.
If you are bad, though, you'd attack the theory at its heart, since you'd know it would catch you eventually.

I do think you have finally understood where I'm coming from. The second member of the team could be literally anyone. It could have been neverwhere, it could be devin or gumshoe. But if it is an absentee, then once we take out the 'phantom' (and yes, call this the permanently active teammate if you like), the kill will stop happening, and we can lynch the absentees last if the game keeps going with no kills.

Understood. Perhaps I got caught with my blinders on, but I still think Jay deserves it. Nobody deserves a free pass at this stage in the game (with perhaps one exception).

Golden wrote: And you attacked the concept of absenteeism, and not me ruling out myself and ninja. This is what I found completely bizarre and, frankly, very bad about your entire response to my initial case.

I did not understand your reasoning for the absenteeism. I think I do now.

I will be honest. I went into this day phase with very little motivation, and voted early because I didn't think I would care. But then I looked at Jay's vote record, and notice his consistent trend of voting off the main lynch targets. I then looked at his posts, to see that while voicing suspicion of lynchees, he's done this voting off in addition. That is what I saw, so that is what I cased about. I realize it is completely unrelated to my vote for him, and I understand why you suspect me for that. I also realize this is a pretty damning comment here.

I have not responded to his defense post yet, so I am not up-to-date on his responses to my accusation. But I also just noticed we have another 48 hours before the night period ends, so there is certainly time to do it.

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