The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:Is "FZ is strong town" the new "Floyd is town"?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:DharmaHelper, why should we lynch you today?

Because it's opposite day.

Ricochet wrote:Start at the end.

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

juliets wrote:I had forgotten that Jimmy's ISO on zebra and metalmarsh reasoned that they were teamates because of the nature of their interactions. It was a good point. I saw a lot of jokey posts from MM, not very much that had any meat to it. I'm going to vote him now and see if anything else comes up during this last hours.

Ricochet wrote:I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I bought a vacuum cleaner today and I'm pretty sure I just broke it.

DrWilgy wrote:When I was upto date I thought she was slightly scumdoodle but I don't remember what triggered that thought process.

I voted JJJ the otherday simply because I agreed with HBB and LC, they are also the civviest to me so far.

What do you think of FZ. Marmot?

DrWilgy wrote:all I have at my house is mashed potatoes and salsa... But I feel too sick and don't wanna leave my beeed *Wilgy curls up in fetal position and begins to cry*

Maybe I'll order a pizza or something when my headache is gone...
I have no Idea what is happening in the thread at this point, I feel like I'm afew hundred posts behind. What do y'all recommend I do to get a good grasp on today's events? I saw that no one was lynched last night but that's pudry much it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I intend to spend 0% of this phase defending myself. It's clearly pointless, I'd be talking to a brick wall.

I'll endeavor to figure out who among my accusers is swimming in confirmation bias like a good wrong townie, and who is delighted by my plight like a baddie. I'll share my reads.

And then I will die. Oh well.

DrWilgy wrote:I havnt eaten in 24 hours... Send help...

S~V~S wrote:

Draconus wrote:Not a terrible result.

HOSTS: Did this result occur because of a tie? What is your policy for ties?

1) Not Saying

2) Still not saying

Nice try

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Golden, are you a member of mafia?

Nope, but I think you might be.

HamburgerBoy wrote:Jimmy

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:For Syndicaters, is it usually in the case of a double-day that any effects (e.g. silencing) on day X.0 would carry over to X.1?

Yes, I was cursed in Flash Mafia, and it carried over from Day 4.1 to Day 4.2.

Are you ok, marmot? You seem to have a massive gash on your head...

HamburgerBoy wrote:For Syndicaters, is it usually in the case of a double-day that any effects (e.g. silencing) on day X.0 would carry over to X.1?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks, Draconus.

I have a big case on Boomslang right now, but when I preview the post the format is all jacked up and the text is all over the left margin. WTF.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quick question for anyone who cares to answer:

What Syndicate game comes to mind first when you think "civilian llama"? I'll use this information to check some gut suspicions of mine against meta.

bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?

I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)

And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."

I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.

I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.

I'm really fucking broken right now.

Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh has voted for JaggedJimmyJay without posting, so maybe he's silenced.

That's also a lynch I would be happy to support.

thellama73 wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Lorab at this point. I haven't found the case on her compelling. But I have noticed that sometimes when a person keeps getting almost-lynched and avoiding it, they turn out to be bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra and Metalmarsh89

Spoiler: show

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:To be fair, I think I have only ever voted for you once, and that was in a game where I was bad, and it was still a joke vote on Day 1.

So I can wash my hands of this.

This is true. I'm not trying to implicate anyone besides myself as the cause for my frequent early lynchings, apologies if I gave off a different impression.

linki - Haha, I didn't even bother to check that. All I knew was that even if it were true, it's not alignment-indicative regardless.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
You know what's interesting about this whole thing?

1) The post Ricochet was talking about wasn't even your first post of the game. This one was.
2) Matt posted far closer to you in terms of time frame, but Ricochet never mentions Matt.

After clicking these links to verify, I think you got the first two switched. But you are correct, the one near bcorn's is not the first. I even "buddied" Rico before the post that he claims to be my first.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I posted "this is madness" because I had yet to catch up with the thread at that time but I still wanted to make my presence known.

Yes, you posted that because you had yet to catch up and wanted to make your presence known.

b24 also posted because he had yet to catch up and wanted to make your presence known.

It's called teamie coordination.

zeebz: Hey brian, let's go catch up on the mafia game.

brians: OK zeebz, I'm not caught up either (but posting in BTSC anyway).

zeebz: I have a great idea, let's state our intent to catch up before we do it.

brians: Good plan, you go first, I'll follow up in exactly 22 minutes and 17 seconds later.

zeebz: Fist bump broh!

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT THAT'S LINE-FOR-LINE WHAT HAPPENED

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head

Echoed.

Turnip Head

Epi's next on the chopping block, he posted RIGHT AFTER TURNIP HEAD DID!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!1!!!

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head

Echoed.

Turnip Head

Epi's next on the chopping block, he posted RIGHT AFTER TURNIP HEAD DID!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!1!!!

Omg, you posted after Epignosis did!

You're going down Day 3.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah booooo hooooooo booo hooo hoooooooooooooooo

linki - Oh? Why not? U BAD BRUH??? U HIS TEAMMATE BURH

a2thezebra wrote:I think MM is just being WIFOMy. I don't suspect him for it thought because for one, he's MM, and two, he's not trying to hog all the attention in the thread unlike my current vote.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.

But if that is his goal, it has been effective.

True, but it has also brought up suspicion from you, Mac, and others that perhaps he is deliberately trying to get lynched - and there's a possibility that if enough people listen to you, someone else will get lynched before the day ends. He could have (and would have) easily gotten lynched today without arousing that particular suspicion had he been more subtle.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.

But if that is his goal, it has been effective.

True, but it has also brought up suspicion from you, Mac, and others that perhaps he is deliberately trying to get lynched - and there's a possibility that if enough people listen to you, someone else will get lynched before the day ends. He could have (and would have) easily gotten lynched today without arousing that particular suspicion had he been more subtle.

I don't know if that would work in an epic game like this with so many players and unknown alignments. I think one has to be bold and stand out.

Do you think Ricochet is trying to accomplish something else?

Linki: Thanks Matt.

You have a point DAMMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I got nothing. You're right. He's trying to get lynched. Fuck me sideways, I'm convinced.

Boomslang

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:CFD JaggedCrypticJay

lol

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Told you he wanted to be lynched zebra.

Don't forget that you did convince me before the day was over that this was true, and I even changed my vote for less than half a minute.

I do still stand by that lynching Rico was the right way to go. Golden makes a good point that if a civ wants to be lynched, they should get what they want nine times out of ten.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

Nor would I.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

Juliets suggested I know what the mafia team names are. To have this knowledge, I would probably have to be mafia. But she didn't seem very convinced considering the suggestion she made.

Convinced that you were mafia? I think she was trying to gauge that without outright accusing you of anything (which, as always, leads to different and often less reliable results) so I still don't see how the suggestion of the teams having names is suspicious in any way.

a2thezebra wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Dharma. I have a question for you. What do you think MM is trying to achieve with his crock of total shit?

It could be that his question wasn't bait, but he's using the "bait" defense as an excuse after taking some flak.

Good point, that's possible.

You'll note that at one point Zebra suggests MM is just being WIFOMy as is sometimes his pleasure. I'd assert they were playing into WIFOM quite a bit, particularly when they were joking around about how STUPID and SILLY Rico's accusations were. We now know that in the case of Zebra, Rico's accusation was well-placed even if the reasoning was lacking. I don't struggle to see this as team mates being brazen in their WIFOM and dismissals of Rico's weak attacks. It's not as though MM left the door open to be linked to Zebra inadvertently -- the participation was always mutual.

Later Zebra does question MM a little, but it doesn't develop much and he also half-defends MM in the face of DH's "crock of shit" suspicion.

Spoiler: show

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.

But if that is his goal, it has been effective.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.

I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.

You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.

Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.

Zebra is confirmed town though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.

I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.

You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.

Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.

Zebra is confirmed town though.

The fark he is.

I can confirm that in my proffesional mafia opinion, a2thezebra is civilian, I do declare.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:That idea's worth noting, Mac. HamburgerBoy has replaced juliets on my list of the six to potentially be killed by me. Killed. KILLED.

linki - I'm not claiming to know how you play in general, only how you have played recently. Which is not this. Or at least, it wasn't.

linki - stop stop stop lemme post ugh

Confirmed town.

This is all more WIFOM. Joking around is fine. Being incorrect in a town read is fine. But this doesn't look like that to me, it looks like a concerted effort to call Zebra a town read for no reason. This obviously came before Zebra's flip, and I could easily see this being MM's deliberate "way too wrong to be fake" WIFOM. I think he's suspicious and a potential team mate of Zebra.

DharmaHelper wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just noticed MM hasn't posted this phase apart from this single thing:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And Oh shit Cincy! Just looked at the score. Who dey

Does this OT Bengals lamentation qualify as evidence that he can't be silenced? I don't know what's typical on The Syndicate. Do silenced players tend to post in OT? I don't remember seeing it.

I've never seen silenced players allowed to post in any capacity OT or otherwise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And Oh shit Cincy! Just looked at the score. Who dey

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:AAAAAHHHHH WHOOOOO DEEEEEEEEEY

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:No wonder Zebra was having the most fun observing my emoji frustration. :P

Should be some great opportunities for finding her team mates. She was highly vocal.

DharmaHelper wrote:I understand the question was bait, but at the time you asked it, surely you would have expected a response. At the time you asked, nobody knew it was a bait question. So given that, they would indicate to you "which team", how exactly?

The question itself is a poison pill, is what I'm getting at. You suspect JC for saying that you suggested the teams were named, which you didn't explicitly, but you can't in turn suspect her when "which team is he on" requires a distinction between teams.

Long Con wrote:Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.

This didn't answer my question at all.

Assuming you were going to get an answer to "which mafia team is X on?", How did you expect anyone to indicate which team?

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

juliets wrote:Metalmarsh here is the question I asked you. Note that I am not asking the same questions you already answered. I'm wanting to know what was in your head when you picked the word "which" when you framed the question.

juliets wrote:MM, your question to him was "which team do you think he is on?". That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were. What made you use the word "which"? And what did you expect in return from JJJ that would be an example of "which"? I hope you understand what I am asking. If not, let me know.

• 1) I have no idea how many teams there are. That was an intentional "slip" to see how folks responded.
  2) I did not know that the mafia team(s) have names. Your suggestion of that is very suspicious imo. I did not imply that I knew it either.
  3) I expected Jay to be far more aggressive in his response, since the number of mafia teams is unknown, and I implied that I knew how many there were. Then again, Jay was acting apathetic before I asked the question, so I don't know what to make of it. Different Jay =/= mafia Jay.

Matt wrote:Wow, cool result peeps.

Draconus, who do you think would curse you to ask questions?

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Just so you know, this is what it would have sounded like.

If you think I'm actually going to listen to that with other people in the room then you're kidding yourself. Also...if you think I'm baiting you just because I've somehow angered you enough to start swearing at me, then again...you're kidding yourself. Does that mean every other player in Star Wars was baiting you all the time as well? Here's a crazy thought...maybe you get angered relatively easily.

I thought I was pretending to be angry.

The vocaroo post is tongue in cheek Zebra lol. Also how am I supposed to know you have other people in the room. Lighten up.