The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:42 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:45 amI'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.

oh wow

I had no idea there were lost wolves at the time.

I enjoy that people thought Long Con town-spewed me after his lynch regardless of his attitude from this.
What were you trying to communicate?

Nothing, just posting random nonsense to see if any interesting reactions come from it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:45 amI'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.

oh wow

I had no idea there were lost wolves at the time.

I enjoy that people thought Long Con town-spewed me after his lynch regardless of his attitude from this.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:29 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:19 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:12 am Great game, team! I was also a lost wolf. I stayed unspoiled until the end. I was sure Marmot was going to flip scum!
Some things never change in mafia I suppose.
No, I thought you were a lost wolf for sure because you said, "I am Mafia. I think I'm the only one."

I don't know how you didn't get insta-liminated for that once Sloonei's death revealed the presence of a lost wolf.

I totally did!!

I completely forgot about that, I'm glad you're the only one who noticed it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:12 am Great game, team! I was also a lost wolf. I stayed unspoiled until the end. I was sure Marmot was going to flip scum!

Some things never change in mafia I suppose.

But, um guys, TSP was scum-spewed on Day 1!

It appears he doesn't accept votes after the deadline, so it's just a tie I guess.

Lol at TSP for being leery at Hyena for not voting, then switching to a no vote before the deadline.

So we technically have 0 minutes, and the poll is in a weird state.

So we have 5 minutes, and the poll is in a weird state.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:41 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 pm He was leading by two with two undeclared votes or something, you and FG, and I had expressed my intention to switch if both landed on poison
I don't really get why you would've done that.
Looking at your Day 1 posts, you maintained that Poison was a better chop. Fine.

Why then would you switch your vote from Poison to Vulgard if Poison took the vote lead?
Pragmatism

How is that pragmatic?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:41 pm Also, he was leading by one vote not two before I placed mine.
Yes I wish we had vote counts. I think Poison hadn't self pres-ed when I said this?

I don't explicitly remember, I just remember that I voted very, very late, and I assume Poison had voted before me, despite the listing the host has.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:41 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 pm He was leading by two with two undeclared votes or something, you and FG, and I had expressed my intention to switch if both landed on poison
I don't really get why you would've done that.

Looking at your Day 1 posts, you maintained that Poison was a better chop. Fine.

Why then would you switch your vote from Poison to Vulgard if Poison took the vote lead?

Also, he was leading by one vote not two before I placed mine.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 pm He was leading by two with two undeclared votes or something, you and FG, and I had expressed my intention to switch if both landed on poison

I don't really get why you would've done that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:31 pm Remember that one time i sealed the deal on vulgard?
he was already dead you couldn't have unsealed the deal

He wasn't dead when I voted for him silly.

Remember that one time i sealed the deal on vulgard?

but it's not

Also [mention]Quin[/mention], do you have anything more to add other than a drive-by vote?

Also, where's [mention]Hyena[/mention]? We need your vote.

I mean, I agree that it's better to have that info now in a scenario where nutella is mafia, I just don't think she's mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:16 am We may have to pull the trigger now.
Why would you have to pull the trigger now?
the "shoot alison" thing. It's a dangerous power for nutella to have going into F5 and we get info on if it's true. If one of nutella/alison is a wolf as hyena has suggested then it is necessary to shoot alison today or else nutella can just do it in f5 and win

Meh, I'm willing to assume that nutella is town rather than make a last ditch effort in these final minutes of Day 4 to be certain about hitting mafia.

I also don't think Alison is a wolf, another reason I'd prefer not to do that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:56 pm The lost wolf info then becomes key: we know that there's a wolf in the punk game, eliminate punk gang til find wolf.

Why is this necessarily true?

It's a reasonable assumption based on probability, but we don't "know" this.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Libido] aubergine

This is the best option for me right now, and fortunately aligns with one of my lynch options for the day.

By deleted, I mean I closed the tab and couldn't recapture it

So I deleted my iso post like an idiot thinking I was hammered.

But hey, we can still win this.

Omg, I should pay more attention, I thought it was 4 to hammer.

I don't have time to finish iso, but look at TSP please. I'm concerned he's mafia based on his Day 1 behavior. He exhibited some suspicion of Vulgard and Long Con, but didn't commit to the Vulgard vote when it mattered (his vote was on Poison at the end of the lynch), and I think that's in part because Long Con was vigged that day.

Alison and nutella are town. They look far too clean on Day 1 not to be.

Hyena is likely town.

I don't like some of Quin's actions today. In particular, I don't like his driveby vote.

TL is my other suspicion for the second wolf. It's either TL or Quin, but I lean TL.

Wait wtf?!?! I asked you not to hammer!

Can I still post?

Seriously, don't hammer yet. I'm in the middle of a TSP Day 1 iso, but I have to run out for a couple hours.

Don't pull the trigger yet, I still have things to say.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:16 am We may have to pull the trigger now.

Why would you have to pull the trigger now?

You should all be concerned about the lack of resistance to my votes today, as well as after the explosion of discussion we had at the beginning of the day, that things have fallen off to a lazy wimper.

I did some reading back through Vulgard's Day 1 posts. He had a lot to say about both TSP and Alison

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?
Why are you Marmotvoting?
Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, @Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.

This post in particular, he offered extended reads on the both of them. Vulgard did not however have much to say about Long Con, a pattern that we can also see with his handling of nutella. He really had nothing to say about her until he townread her for killing LC.

That said, nutella's handling of the Vulgard vote is a very good look for her,

I'm honestly having a hard time seeing any of the original players in this thread as being mafia right now.

*kill on Alison

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:31 pm So, like, if we yeet someone today, we end up in LyLo tomorrow if a mafia kill goes through, right? Which means if Nutella is scum and Alison is town, all Nutella would have to do is shoot Alison and the mafia will win right?

Her kill only Alison only applies to today I think. I imagine it would be a different person tomorrow.

I don't think the group block is all that powerful.

The group side chat on the other hand is, especially since we get to chat at night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm "At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.
I mean the alternate is a vast conspiracy to deceive like two of us, since Alison seems to be in on it. And apparently Nutella might be in on something too. I'm the only person not in on anything. Weh.

Yeah, but why would four of us lie about something like that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm I'm voting for Marmot because his ability to unilaterally control the RB is kinda dangerous. TL chop is more likely to hit a wolf. I'm prepared to lose to nutella, I think I will lose to Hyena. Alison is a weird case. Not claiming is bold and Alison has great spew off Vul plus decent mechanical non-wolfiness. Alison /could/ be a lost wolf but again, not claiming is bold. "Quin is town for defending me" is something that I think is not particularly good but it's good enough to chop TL over Quin if we're chopping in the punk gang.

I don't think you'll get much from lynching me today, which is unfortunate. Nobody is trying to defend me.

Also, is my ability really that dangerous? One could argue I have a roleblock in which three other people can see who my target is.

"At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.

So we should really talk about who we're voting today because it's probably LYLO tomorrow if we get it wrong.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am it’s established that 1) marmot is a wolf only with one of punk chat,

No it's not

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:48 am I also think it can rather easily be a cover but eh

The host revealed to us our target (you) last night despite me secretly changing it. He did not do that on previous nights when I didn't change it. I believe that's enough information to prove I'm not lying, but if a punk wants to clarify this with the host, I'd encourage them to do so.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.
Lying about what?
Blocking me N2

Like I said, I can't do anything to th punks' roleblock that the punks wouldn't be aware of. They should be able to confirm this. As far as we know, our roleblock was successful N2.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.

Lying about what?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:42 am Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight

No, but I once bet him a fiddle of gold for my soul, and won.

Guys, lynch nutella, I saw her yeeting with the devil

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:37 am What is an order?
Lethal or non lethal I know sorta what lethal does

I'm still very confused. What does that mean?

What is an order?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:36 am If Marmot is a wolf, everything actually works

?

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