The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 7:08 pm I want to see the Marmot/Seanzie chat where the mafioso spent hours complaining about me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 7:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:58 pm My goal this year is to get shot Night 1 in a game. I dunno if it'll ever happen though.

Recapture your Talking Heads energy and the sky is the limit.

There's probably some combination of being pro-town energetic and being "right" that I haven't quite captured yet.

My goal this year is to get shot Night 1 in a game. I dunno if it'll ever happen though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:34 pm Dana
Esooa
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
Marmot
tedxtr

---POE Line---

BoKnows
Gavial
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
TonyStarkPrime

Names within tiers are only alphabetical. We still have room for a POE of six, so that's what I have here. We would benefit from narrowing it further though, especially if I am right and end up dead early.

BoKnows and Gavial -- I have no personal reason to call either of these players civilians. Call them my "top two suspects" if such a thing need exist.

I can formulate suspicions of Mac, Nanook, and Tony if I want to. These three all have some kind of loose connections that might make them compatible with each other, but not necessarily problematic on their own.

Seanzie seems fine over the last page or so. I have room for six though so he stays put.

If I am wrong about a green name, my first guess would be Esooa. I don't feel strongly about that or have much concern at the moment, otherwise I wouldn't post this at all.

Jesus Christ Jay, is this game that easy for you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:21 pm can we gets dead chat?

Oooh yes yes me too

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:18 pm The marmot 100% read accuracy continues

Yayayayaayay we did iti!!!!!

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 5:00 pm Where is mac and nook dammit

It is like 7am for Mac

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:13 pm Yeah I'm lost TSP. Who's the wolf?

Also, can you share pictures from you chess game with sean?

Actually, don't do that. Posting pictures from out of thread content is probably not allowed.

Yeah I'm lost TSP. Who's the wolf?

Also, can you share pictures from you chess game with sean?

You're probably right, but clearly sean was actually a wolf.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:48 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:47 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 am who did you chat with today sean?

TonyStonkPrime.

I challenged him to a game of chess with the caveat that the loser has to out their alignment. He beat me in 13 moves...

and.....?

Ask him...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:51 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:48 am he's a wolf

yeah?

that's what he told me, anyways

Like how does TSP not vote for sean after this?

Also wtf!! Sean and TSP were playing chess in their chat, but sean didn't post in the thread for the final 36 hours of the day, how are we not talking about this?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:46 pm i abstain from voting and depending on the result I either was or wasn't on the wagon

He said this at the end of the day too.

@TonyStarkPrime why didn't you ultimately vote anyone Day 1?

I'm rereading TSP's ISO. He didn't have any scumreads by the end of Day 1 after 86 posts. Is that normal for TSP?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:11 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:34 pm tsp's brain: "did i vote and forget about it?"

as to Sean: I'm sheeping the general idea of "weird spelling read -> town". I discussed this some earlier, but it may be indecipherable and lacking proper nouns. To reiterate, I don't think I've ever seen falcon's wolf game and this could be sorta bs so it's not a particularly strong read but I think it's decent reasoning for day 1

It was an intentional misspelling based on an inside joke from another game, so I honestly don't think that's a good reason to read someone.

Suspicion levels rising for TSP here.

sean asked me why I townread falcon nothing here has anything to do with how i read sean

How do you read me?

I'm electing not to answer.

lol

I'm reading my chat with TSP Day 3 with the idea that TSP wanted to propose sean/ted as a scum team with the intent of mis-yeeting ted, and that approach does make sense to me.

At one point, I asked TSP who he wanted to yeet, and he said ted/sean. He said his main interest was voting ted because ted had the most compatibility with other players (this came after I explained to him my ted/falcon theory). When I asked him why these two, he explained that neither did anything he thought was townie. I did ISO sean after that and brought a couple posts to TSP's attention, to which he kinda just nodded his head.

I could just be conf-biasing myself though.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 1:32 pm Maybe im looking too much into this

Spoiler: show

Day 1:

sean voted BK
Marmot voted BK
JPIC voted BK

Nook voted offwagon on marmot
mac voted offwagon on marmot

TSP did not vote

Day 2:

Sean voted offwagon on TSP
Marmot voted offwagon on Falcon

JPIC voted Gavial
Nook voted Gavial
TSP voted Gavial
Mac voted Gavial

Day 3:

JPIC voted sean

Nook voted offwagon on Ted
Mac voted offwagon on Ted
Marmot voted offwagon on Ted
TSP voted offwagon on Ted

Sean did not vote

Day 4:

Everybody voted Ted (rip)

Looking at the previous vote counts, marmot and sean have the most similar voting patterns. They both voted BK d1, and they both ended up offwagon away from Gavial. Marmot does explain this by believing Gavial was town, but there was no real counterwagon to gavial so it is plausible both wolves did not vote on Gavial and just kept their hands clean from the mischop, plus marmot was one of the people voting to keep sean alive which is a point against in his favour. @Marmot do you mind answering why you thought Gav was town?

Everybody voting ted obviously doesn't tell us anything.

He didn't really seem like he had an agenda and but my main reason was that nobody was defending him. I figured if he was a wolf, there would be at last one person trying to slow down traction on his wagon or push elsewhere.

But I also didn't oppose his yeet, because I think he was talking a lot, but not really engaging with other people on their takes, and I felt that was hurting us.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 12:24 pm but then again, im reading back my chat with TSP and our discussions around sean felt pretty damn natural. I voiced suspicions of Sean to TSP and he didn't say anything to try and dissuade me from thinking that. He explained his reasons for voting ted because he believed he had higher partner equity with everybody not named mac and me.

Like I read it and I still coming away with thinking that TSP is a villager

How did he talk about sean in your chat? That was Day 3 right?

I knew you'd come around!

I'm currently at a point where it's TSP or maybe Nanook. I'm leaving my vote on TSP at least until he comes in and talks to us.


Pardon me for prodding you earlier in the day JPIC, but it's helped me feel a lot better about you.

Also, congrats on being number 1 poster JPIC!

I don't remember the order of things. I was just looking in the thread, and saw that I at one point had listed Gav as green, but than later in the day walked it back a little.

I'm not too concerned about that though. I don't think a Day 1 TR (or not TR) of Gavial helps us in any way today.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am imagine if we lose to a slanking TSP. Having GoC flashbacks again

He has 5 posts on Day 5, and 4 posts on Day 4, an a combined 210 posts on Days 1-3, the days Sean was alive.

No, I had Gavial town Day 1, or at least early on in Day 1.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:31 am At the beginning of the day I was concerned because Mac and I had opposite reads and now we have the same reads and I didn’t even say anything so mind meld

Can you expand on this @TonyStarkPrime, Mac's flip-flopped on everyone at some point today. What are the reads in particular you mind meld on? Do you townread Mac as a result?

Like there is just so many things in the sean/Mac interactions that point to it not being him, and the only reason I think it's Mac is that he's both still alive and wrong. Is that enough to think it could be Mac?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:41 am Mac thinks it is marmot
marmot thinks it is mac
im going to assume nanook thinks it is mac, and tsp thinks it is marmot

I'm leaning toward thinking it's not Mac again. In reading my Day 1 chat with sean, sean did call Mac's handling of sean "slimy" or at least more slimy than how Jay handled him.

I'd previously expressed concern about Mac in that chat, and sean came back to me with that later, so I think he was pandering to my own concerns, not just distancing. I dunno

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:04 pm What have I missed?

What's your name in the Syndicate discord?

falcon45ca

Are you sure you haven't changed it? You don't show up under the F's in the online or offline list on SyndicateChat.

Hmmm, perhaps I'm not a part of the Syndicate Chat? I dunno, I'm not uber tech savvy.

That is my user name tho, I'm pretty consistent with falcon45ca

What is your four-digit numerical tag associated with your discord account?

lol at this exchange

(I buy it)

I must've interpreted this as a townread for some reason lol, but I can't find another example

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:35 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:16 pm What's your favorite thing about Seanzie, Marmot?

I liked your observation about him and his entrance earlier.

We also share a DM, and he voiced thoughts on the game there that I had already been thinking and agreed with.

@Justplayingitcool this is why I townread sean on Day 1.

What were those thoughts

JJJ is probably town but we each tinfoiled him anyway.
Dana town
Gavial prob town
Mac kinda icky for his weird and kinda slow entrance to the game

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:24 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:22 am Mac and I talked nonstop for like 2 hours, I'm not summarizing all that in the thread lol.

Just say the important highlights

They're in my posts in the last few pages if you've been reading them

I'm talking about the stuff AFTER he called you a wolf. Do you mean to tell me you spent 2 hours of discussion hashing out old stuff again?

Why are you keen on the timeline of when Mac called me a wolf in our chat? Are you looking for something specific?

Because if you're a villager you must have some sort of unique perspective and must have been taken aback by the suspicion? If I was accused of being a wolf by the person I was in a chat with I would want to a) know why and b) defend myself and provide reasons why you aren't a partner and why somebody else is

Just humour me

I thought it was a joke. Also it came well before his vote for me in the thread, by like 45 minutes. When he voted for me and suspected me in the thread, he didn't say anything about it in our chat, but I was also away from the thread for the day at that point.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:16 pm What's your favorite thing about Seanzie, Marmot?

I liked your observation about him and his entrance earlier.

We also share a DM, and he voiced thoughts on the game there that I had already been thinking and agreed with.

@Justplayingitcool this is why I townread sean on Day 1.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:24 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:22 am Mac and I talked nonstop for like 2 hours, I'm not summarizing all that in the thread lol.

Just say the important highlights

They're in my posts in the last few pages if you've been reading them

I'm talking about the stuff AFTER he called you a wolf. Do you mean to tell me you spent 2 hours of discussion hashing out old stuff again?

Why are you keen on the timeline of when Mac called me a wolf in our chat? Are you looking for something specific?

But really they pretty much are. Mac and I discussed everyone to some extent. I didn't accuse Mac at all in our chat, I don't find that a useful place to do such things, because if I think Mac is scum, I don't need to convince him.

On one hand, Mac's been working hard, but his indecisiveness is throwing me off. That part of his behavior in the thread is more prevalent in our chat.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:22 am Mac and I talked nonstop for like 2 hours, I'm not summarizing all that in the thread lol.

Just say the important highlights

They're in my posts in the last few pages if you've been reading them

Mac and I talked nonstop for like 2 hours, I'm not summarizing all that in the thread lol.

His accusation was a single sentence and I can't really quote it so I paraphrased it as best I could.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:12 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:40 am What does everyone make of marmot this day phase. Pushed nook a bit, then me and now is on TSP.

I originally v read marmot for pushing me because i thought it was a genuine push from his thoughts. But marmot pushes nook after the spat between nook & mac. Pushes me after some encouragement from mac. And now pushes tsp when mac was on tsp again.

this game is cursed

Mac and I have been talking about the three of you in our private chat.

Tbh, I'm probably going to end up on Mac at the end of the day. He can't decide who the wolf is and that's something that surprises me from him. Unless that's just his later game town meta and we never see it because he's always dead by now.

Mac didn't say anything to you about his suspicions of you?

Mac said one sentence which was basically "well it can't be anyone else so it must be you".

That felt as much of a joke as an accusation, but we kept discussing beyond that.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:11 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:09 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:07 am I'd be sad if it is marmot. 100% read accuracy in tatters

You'll find out when I flip that you were right all along.

What's your counter to Mac's suspicions?

His suspicion of "Marmot saved sean therefore, Occam's Razor, ergo it's him"?

I told ya'll to yeet me yesterday for it.


I wasn't opposed to a sean yeet, but I was more interested in yeeting ted due to his higher teammate compatibility than sean. It may have looked like I was trying to save sean, but I was really trying to stimulate discussion, especially since the day was heading toward a tie.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:40 am What does everyone make of marmot this day phase. Pushed nook a bit, then me and now is on TSP.

I originally v read marmot for pushing me because i thought it was a genuine push from his thoughts. But marmot pushes nook after the spat between nook & mac. Pushes me after some encouragement from mac. And now pushes tsp when mac was on tsp again.

this game is cursed

Mac and I have been talking about the three of you in our private chat.

Tbh, I'm probably going to end up on Mac at the end of the day. He can't decide who the wolf is and that's something that surprises me from him. Unless that's just his later game town meta and we never see it because he's always dead by now.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:07 am I'd be sad if it is marmot. 100% read accuracy in tatters

You'll find out when I flip that you were right all along.

Yeah plz don't post on that account anymore, I don't know who's doing it lol

I forgot to add, I picked Mac today, and falcon yesterday

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:54 pm Is this gonna be the game like the simple arsonist when marmot tunnelled me all game until i convinced him to flash wagon the real arsonist

It would be even funnier if it was Nanook again.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:51 pm Why does mac now townread Nook?

He said he read sean's ISO and concluded Nanook is town from it.

Speaking of not trying to solveZZZZZZZZZZZ

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:45 pm Not trying to find the last wolf get out of here with that crap

I told you my thoughts. Yes they involve concerns about you, I'd be more excited if people were willing to engage me on them.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:38 pm Also, i never top post as mafia, just saying

You're not top poster. :P

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:31 pm What are your thoughts?

Nanook - Mac is trying to convince me in chat that Nanook is town, so I honestly believe that, because town-Mac is probably right about that and scum-Mac automatically means that Nanook is town. Either way. Nanook is probably town.

JPIC - I've generally toneread you as town this game, but I am concerned about your approach today. I don't get the sense that you're trying to find the last wolf, and I think you're hedging around and hoping something sticks.

Mac - Yes he could be wolf. He's a very good player, so yes it's a surprise that he's here. That aside, I still there there's reason to believe that he isn't the wolf, mainly his handling of sean Day 1-2, and also sean's handling of Mac. One thing I don't like about Mac is in our chat, he encouraged me to go after JPIC because he needs some pressure (I do agree with that), but then informed me that he woke up in the middle of the night Day 4, and swapped his vote to JPIC. That information isn't even useful, or at least the second part. Still though, Mac seems to have more WIM than anyone else right now. That itself is just easier to TR.

TSP - Still a big question mark. I wish he wasn't. Like he said he was gonna solve this game today, but I'm afraid he doesn't actually plan to. TSP did tell me on Day 3 he wanted to yeet sean or ted, but that he didn't want to yeet falcon (that's why I asked if he TR him). In the end, he did vote for ted though, and actually didn't even talk about sean that much, despite advocating for his yeet.



Current prefered yeeting order.

TSP
JPIC
Mac
Nanook

I was hoping for more than "we're in F5, therefore I suspect Mac".

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:23 pm Like does anyone here not suspect mac at least somewhat?

Sure, but I think there's reasonable evidence in the thread that he could be town.