The Syndicate

Meaning Mac is almost assuredly a wolf. Him calling her townie today with his only other content admitting that he knows nothing about this game is kinda hilarious

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:54 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:43 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:05 am

This shows Porcha could be wolf. She is taking back her town read of me

This is a lazy read, why are you voting for me and not Porsche then?
That's easy. Because he's wolf

Vote Porscha

Porscha or Rondo?
pretty sure flanders is just trolling here too btw since he hard TR's me
Including his vote?
if he's voting me he's for sure trolling or actually just wolf but I don't think flanders would be that obvious b/c that's a blatant mistake

Actually, this post right here looks very much like Porscha reanimated Flanders. Calling Flanders' post a blatant mistake does look like a bread crumb.

Which would indicate Flanders is town, and LP isn't

[VOTE: LP] aubergine

Has anyone checked Porscha's ISO for breadcrumbing?

Now that I've read LP's roleclaim, it's so specific it could be true I guess.

Still reading though.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:39 pm Honestly I already suspected Seanzie was the one who attacked me night 2. They were suspiciously quick to start pushing me day 3.

Attacked?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:56 pm @MartinGG99 can I get some updated reads and thoughts on the game? In particular, I think it is still best to elim among the never-deads, so your thoughts there would be appreciated.
I kinda screwed heavily with my sleep, and last day phase ended 24 hours earlier than I expected it to.

So I haven't been here much for awhile, but I'm back now. I do recall seeing some sort of post yesterday that I felt was notable, but idk if it was Porscha or LP.

Also kinda wondering why we got votes on Marmot & Rondo and yet practically no one went to wagon other possibilities such as Cobalt or Creature (except Creature themselves). At a glance it makes me feel like scum want Marmot as a wagon to kill an original townie, for whatever reason.

I've seen people say they suspect Marmot because he's been nearly chopped twice now, but I don't think that's entirely reasonable. I do recall a mafia game run by ddl where he was nearly chopped the whole game, but I haven't looked at it yet to see if there are similarities or differences. Actually the quote in Marmot's signature is from that game if anyone wants to look at it before I do.

I am mischopped often. And it happens more often as town.

Spoiler: show

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:50 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 am But the Mafia don't appear to be working together at all since no players have really any connections. Which leads me to think my original theory of the indy being Town who self revives as Mafia being true.

In which case it would mean Mac is Mafia with Seanzie and probably Cobalt.

And that I think is my only real plausible read. Otherwise this game is weird and I clearly do not understand the setup.
If you believe the 3p is someone who flips town and then revives to mafia, why would that mean it is Mac, rather than Flanders or Rondo?
Well Mac was very much not revived by Town which makes it hard to believe he is Town.

I suppose I don't really need to hide my role anymore, but I'm the one reviving Town and I'm out of revives so that's the end of that.

Furthermore my role being Civ Reanimator implies that there is probably a Mafia or Indy Reanimator which seeing Mac was revived yeah that is probably the case. The way people have been talking also seems like there is only the 2 reanimators in the game and no more which one being scum and one being town makes sense.

It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.

I'm past the point of caring if I die or not, I just want it to be clear when I die and flip Town that the other reanimator is scum and that both Mac and Rondo are not to be trusted since they were revived by scum who probably changed their alignments.

I feel like I'm missing something since you have a wagon on you and you've also claimed this role.

Guess I'll keep cathing up.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 am But the Mafia don't appear to be working together at all since no players have really any connections. Which leads me to think my original theory of the indy being Town who self revives as Mafia being true.

In which case it would mean Mac is Mafia with Seanzie and probably Cobalt.

And that I think is my only real plausible read. Otherwise this game is weird and I clearly do not understand the setup.

Uh...

Seanzie? Why Sean?

At My Aunt's.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:22 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:16 am I'm an arborist, work outside, and speak in 3 word phrases. I find it nice to write complete sentences for a change lol.
Thats cool. I have 6 fruit trees on my property, and do all the pruning on my own with some advice from friend, who's an arborist. I also grow a wide variety of veggies, Cannabis, and care for a smallish collection of bonsai.

But I work in the purchasing and logistics coordination side of the supply chain world, and as such, get the honour of writing tons of shit no one reads.

Oooh what kind? We have a couple cherries at my house (I rent though). I want to convince my landlord to plant one or two more at some point.

Speaking of which, i need to go to bed. Will be around tomorrow.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:21 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:10 am I looked back, and at least according to posts, Flanders wasn't on Marmot as long as I thought during the original Marmot v Rondo tie that I broke. This gives me some pause because my tiebreak means a lot less if the VC wasn't as stagnant at the time.
I was in rondo most of the day, already told you that.

Sheesh

And fwiw, I can actually express my thoughts and type proper sentences. I just choose not to because I'm a lazy ass stoner, and I actually have to write "properly" at work.

So quit bugging me, my first name is Stupid.
I'm thinking about your other post, but before I get lost, I'd like to say that it wasn't me that said something about sentences.

That was me.

I don't mean to call you stupid Flanders (even if it's in your name), I was just commenting on your choice of expression is all.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:17 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:15 am I agree with Flanders' case tbh.

I was confused why he was voting for Porscha when he was, but I don't really see how it was specifically evil. Porscha recognized it better than anyone else did.

The fact that LP chose to sus Porscha there instead of Flanders (who made the vote), isn't good.
See, and if that situation was playing out in my homesite, we'd typically have at least one other town, or wolf trying to be town, participating in pressure votes.. but also bait votes.

Anyways. If I'm being pocketed, it won't be the first time.

We don't do bait votes really. We just talk at each other until everyone has 1,000 posts then kill LHF.

I was a little suspicious of Sean pointing me to look Flanders the way he did (and more specifically kind of sidestepping my point about Mac), but I do think it's a little townie that Sean reread what he saw on Flanders and backpedalled on it.

But could you still explain what you saw there Sean?

most of the time

I'm an arborist, work outside, and speak in 3 word phrases. I find it nice to write complete sentences for a change lol.

I agree with Flanders' case tbh.

I was confused why he was voting for Porscha when he was, but I don't really see how it was specifically evil. Porscha recognized it better than anyone else did.

The fact that LP chose to sus Porscha there instead of Flanders (who made the vote), isn't good.

I do think we're going to have to kill Cobalt at some point, because we're going through townies one after another. The numbers don't make it necessary yet, but if we end up in a potential lylo situation, having Cobalt there would be terrible.

Apologies for not being very involved this game. Keeping up with 2 games if hard for me.

Same tbh

Ok I'll just accept my death today so I can get drafted to the mafia team :wowee:

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:55 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:50 am Flanders, who were your strongest three townreads yesterday? You said it was the people on my wagon, but I don't know who they were now.
Porscha, Sean and Mac.
Porscha due to herplay, and the situation where she cleared up a misunderstanding on my behalf.
Sean due to the fact everyone seems to town read him.
Mac because of circumstance. Doom was reborn town, I was reborn town, and just assumed Mac did too.

So you think that you and Mac were both reanimated as town in the same night?

I guess there was only on dead player Night 1, which explains why only DOOM was rezzed. But Rondo and falcon were dead last night (and DOOM too, but I wonder if you can't be rezzed more than once) and only one was rezzed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:50 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:46 am Like if one of Flanders/Mac is not town, I'd look at Mac at this moment. He made a naked vote yesterday, and his case today is lacking. Flanders bothering to do anything at EOD is more rand!town.
I don't disagree that Mac is... lacking. However, Flander's EoD I think is telling.

I don't know what you're seeing.

Flanders' speaks in short bursts rather than sentences, so it's a little hard to follow, but I can see a townie struggling to decide between voting someone that's mildly scummy, and voting someone that's more townie, but has a wagon that they think is full of town.

Flanders, who were your strongest three townreads yesterday? You said it was the people on my wagon, but I don't know who they were now.

Not that it matters, because we're not killing in that group today. We're killing in:

Cobalt
Creature
LP
Marmot
Martin
Sean

I think that's the original group of players right?

Like if one of Flanders/Mac is not town, I'd look at Mac at this moment. He made a naked vote yesterday, and his case today is lacking. Flanders bothering to do anything at EOD is more rand!town.

In the end it was t/t wagons, so I'm not sure how much us it'll be.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:40 am @Marmot what do you think of Flanders' movements at EoD yesterday? Were you surprised when they unvoted you?

I didn't read it beyond when I had to leave, but I'll look.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:34 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:28 am Ok. Fuck the kill.

Still two mafia and a 3p in the original group. My initial scum read on Marty probably worth exploring, but could go to Marmot because he keeps being the cc to lynched town.

Creature, cobalt and LP. Hm
Marmot is mafia and you are probably mafia for pretending it's not obvious
I'm just hung up on why, if he's mafia, didn't he just vote to bury me D2. He was in the thread and active at nightfall, but not paying close enough attention to the votes to notice we were tied?

It weighs heavily. However, I did say my strongest town reads were all voting Marmot, and it felt weird to be on the cc last round.

I knew that the votes were close, but tbh I didn't realize I tied with you in the end.

I also thought that falcon was less townie than you at the time so I did what I thought was best which was to vote for the player more likely to be scum (which is usually the best option when voting).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:13 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:47 amlol
What is funny? How much have you read since you came back?
i have read all the parts where marmot is outed mafia
Care to point me to said parts?
the parts where he died to an obvious town in a 4/4 split in which he was voting on said town

the parts where he was mafia when i was paying attention earlier

and that's it rly

Wouldn't you normally vote on your c/w if you were being rung up?

This case is pretty bad Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:13 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:47 amlol
What is funny? How much have you read since you came back?
i have read all the parts where marmot is outed mafia

Spoken like a true mafia draftee.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:29 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm Now what are you doing Sean?
Eliming you, obviously.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm Now what are you doing Sean?
Eliming you, obviously.
We should be elimming Rondo, why are you voting for me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:22 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
so sean were you just meme'ing on voting for marmot or were you truly and honestly swayed by marmot's post to be convinced to move to rondo?
if he's voting me he's for sure trolling or actually just wolf but I don't think Seanzie would be that obvious b/c that's a blatant mistake
I see you're a very clever man marmot

I'm off to clean up dinner dishes, if I die today and don't come back, please kill Rondo tomorrow, and Creature too if that's a hit.

I still have misgivings about Sean. If Rondo is a miss though, that means he was the deciding vote in t/t wagons, so the fact that he is here and switching votes is probably townie, so those misgivings are probably misplaced.

I feel fairly good about the rest of the game (excluding rezzed players) with the obvious exception of Cobalt, and also LP

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:38 pm This time my vote on Marmot is for real.

If trends continue, I'll be back tomorrow.

And probably just as lazy :wowee:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:28 pm The only person I can think of that Rondo can be paired with if he's a wolf is Creature.

Coincidentally, both of them have pushed Cobalt today at different times.
You don't think Rondo could be paired with Cobalt and trying to create some distancing posts in case we eventually decided to resolve the empty slot?

I guess that's possible too. He seemed to push that idea far more than anyone else did on Day 2 (and tbh I though it would have been a good idea Day 2, just thought of it way too late, and didn't realize there was even a push for it). But he wouldn't have much to gain from elimming an afk slot, and would lose a partner.

An explanation I can think of is if the mafia can rezz a player after they lose a player, in which case I could see him bussing the afk player to get an upgrade.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:58 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:57 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:55 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:53 am Has anyone played with wolf!Rondo?
as in the possibility I am wolf this game or any game where I have been wolf? First, a couple, second no one on the forums yet
You never had a wolf game here?
I am pretty sure, I keep randing town, I could be wrong. I know I have had some 3P games but I dont count 3P town as not town personally or weird joat roles with not anti-town win as not town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:04 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:38 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:29 pm Alright. I just didn’t see a stated reason other than you asked others their opinion in him.

Moving onto a different question then. Does any active player catch your eye? Or is it that you’re just wanting Covalt dead because it’s a frozen slot and not really having any other reads?
I remember townreading you, Porscha and Seanzie, but these townreads still feel weak and would like more reassuring reasons.

Rondo I was sorta townleaning but I never saw him play wolf.

I'm unsure on Martin. I don't really get the townreads on him.

Marmot I can see being wolf, but meh.

Cobalt not posting is pissing me off and I feel like we should get rid of a non-posting slot.

Meanwhile, Rondo//Creature interactions mostly look like this. Not much game-related lately, and quite a bit of Creature kinda commenting on how he's never seen wolf!Rondo and Rondo not having much to say in response.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm Now what are you doing Sean?
Eliming you, obviously.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm Now what are you doing Sean?
Eliming you, obviously.
We should be elimming Rondo, why are you voting for me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:22 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
so sean were you just meme'ing on voting for marmot or were you truly and honestly swayed by marmot's post to be convinced to move to rondo?

if he's voting me he's for sure trolling or actually just wolf but I don't think Seanzie would be that obvious b/c that's a blatant mistake

The only person I can think of that Rondo can be paired with if he's a wolf is Creature.

Coincidentally, both of them have pushed Cobalt today at different times.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:21 pm I see that you voted Rondo earlier, so you probably wouldn't be paired with him
Who is this to?

This is a response to a thought in my head that you could be paired with Rondo lol

I see that you voted Rondo earlier, so you probably wouldn't be paired with him

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:15 pm Now what are you doing Sean?
Eliming you, obviously.

We should be elimming Rondo, why are you voting for me?

Now what are you doing Sean?

blink

Now THIS is podracing

Oh I see, Flanders has bad aim :wowee:

Assuming you're right Porscha, i'm less concerned though, because trolling is fine. But I disagree on a Porscha scumread.

Which means that Flanders has an unexplained vote and he should explain it.

Well Mac and Flanders were rezzed at the same time, so the odds of one of them not being town is pretty decent.

I don't think we should pursue that avenue yet while there's still two wolves in the original pool, as we should kill them and see if the game ends first, but it's something I just thought of atm.

:shocker:

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:43 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:40 am I also didn't like rondo's eod yesterday but i'm not sure if it's bad enough to make me feel like he's a for sure yeet already when hardly anything has happened today
This shows Porcha could be wolf. She is taking back her town read of me

This is a lazy read, why are you voting for me and not Porsche then?
That's easy. Because he's wolf

Vote Porscha

Porscha or Rondo?
pretty sure flanders is just trolling here too btw since he hard TR's me

Including his vote?

Mac scumreads me in every single game, so asking for his take on me is unreliable tbh

Porscha doesn't strike me as scum rn. She does seem like she's actively trying to find town as well as scum (as evidenced by her comment about Sean), although I do want to know why she's voting for me.

Flanders, why do you think Porscha is scum?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:21 am [VOTE: marmot ] aubergine because I just noticed Mac is

Mac is _______?
because mac is voting you and rondo has been sheeping mac

Yeah I thought that was an incomplete thought at first. I didn't realize Mac was voting for me at the time since he hadn't posted it, but soonafter realized he was.

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