The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:32 pm @Sabiplz any thoughts on my last exchange with Nanook?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:51 pm

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Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:49 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:33 am Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:25 am Finished reading day 1. I'm kinda tired of reading posts so I skimmed/wasn't absorbing much of the EoD, but should be fine

anne - will talk about more after, generally pretty whelmed by her posts but I've liked it more than not. The biggest thing for me was her SPF read about big posts, where she posted it going like "the scummiest thing about spf is her post size," was pressured on it and said it wasn't really serious, then after being pressured a little more explains the read with like 2 decent paragraphs. It's a read that I've had on SPF before too so I kinda understand it, but mostly I think the treatment of shirking on the read by saying it's not really serious but actually having the opinion (cause she explained it and seemed decently serious) makes me think it's just genuine, it's something I've felt a lot where I'm like "yeah I don't really want to give this read cause people won't like me for it so it's just kinda a joke"

cassandra - Talked about for the most part, I thought while reading EoD briefly that her thread positioning fits a wolf who's just kinda riding consensus (which I do think is a problem right now) which also would involve going with the flow and bussing JJJ day 1, but her posts really just don't read like a bus. Even if Alexa was intending to deep wolf this game which isn't really implausible imo, I doubt she ever goes out of her way to get a partner killed when he wasn't really in contention that EoD until she talked about him a lot

DrWilgy - honestly got close to nothing from his day 1 posts. He's posted a few decently lucid thoughts this day phase that I liked, but I don't really know how he plays as wolf. Everything I've seen from him seems in line with his town games from before, though. The biggest problem I have with him is mostly other peoples posting about him, lol. People saying "the MR shot was good for him"

Like, it was on a towny, and it's not rly like he's just going to out to shoot someone outer PoE imo. Radishes is also someone who can contribute pretty well but is also a low accountability kill, like I think it's a scummier kill than not tbh.

Though I just remembered specifically his posting about calling Anne town, that was pretty good and I generally agree with the thoughts, would add those to my reasons to town read Anne

Dyslexicon - Liked their vibes but their recent reads list really pinged me

They read all of day 1 and just dropped a PoE going "Mac Anne Esooa" and it made me really just go like

This is actually just the consensus PoE for the past 24 hours and no one has cared, like hello pls why is this a thing

Particularly don't like it irt mostly in annoyance because I think I'm PoE only for being a sub, but I think it's a pretty good demonstration of what I mean. I have 88 posts in 24 hours already and I still feel like I'm being treated as a nothing slot and nobody really cares that much about my placement, the people who really do I think are decently likely town regardless. And the same thing is being done with Mac/Anne where they're just... existing as PoE and nothing is being done about it. No one's being pushed, Anne has been decently wagoned but there's no one really convicted she's a wolf, it's just kinda like.. yeah she's vaguely scummy, and votes are just placed on her

I think especially because I'm town and no one is taking any interest in movement it decently raises the others chances of being town, btw, but I digress, going back to Dizzy;

The way they engaged with the reads just felt shitty and made the thread state particularly hit me. They read day 1, which like yeah that's good, but then afterwards just dropped their fully consensus PoE with no real interest in actually solving these slots. I've posted around Dizzy a few times and liked that we had similar thoughts, but they don't even seem to have registered that fact. They said "Mac's day 1 was pretty lackluster, hope he picks it up day 2," but doesn't talk about or investigate his day 2 at all. The drive to solve from Dizzy just feels non-existent and I really didn't like it

I was gonna say their recent clap back against Illario was good, though, mostly for it feeling like a kinda towny "get the fuck off me," while I think wolf Dizzy would indeed be more of a smooth talker/etc, but I dunno I'm feeling they're decently wolfy now, prob just going to say they're null becuase idk about the Marmot interactions and think Marmot is decently wolfy

falcon45ca - Pretty confident he's town, like very. Green checked by Mac which I agree isn't ever w/w (his wolf equity probably actually increases if Mac is town cause I still kinda feel like the check is fake) but mostly has just been genuinely towny in giving like, hard hitting reads lol, as in when he explains his wolf reads they just have good conviction, and he pushes on things with determination the way he does as town, etc.

iaafr - Probs town. Had some slight paranoia from reading EoD he could be a wolf because his JJJ vote seemingly came out of no where, but I possibly just don't remember his previous stance on JJJ. I think the way he flip flopped on the read still is good but doubtfully hard clearing just cause I've pointed out this thing before and there's enough people with "iaafr meta" that I think he'd possibly be aware enough to try and subvert it like he did, more leaning to town still though. Generally just based on vibes, way he's posting, so I don't have a specific "this is town" thing from him. Some random thoughts on him I put down cause why not are that I actually did really like the way he approach SPF, he mentioned to me in DM's recently that he thinks SPF has very AI openers, and without me in the game too he brings out this read in specific about SPF, paying specific attention to her opener. Another thing I liked was the way he defended Nutella but didn't want to commit to it mostly because it reminds me of his thoughts about Limestone from a previous game, though I'm kinda eh on that particular read as the days gone longer

ilario/leetic - getting town vibes from both atm. Leetic is funny to me but the way he's pushing things seems more like a towny committed to their processes than a wolf trying to be obtuse to sow division, particularly got this feeling around EoD1. I haven't cared to read either much but Illario has just been really towny imo. Approach to NAA was good, like saying a player is mafia because they're town siding too much. Biggest thing I have in his favor was from EoD1 when he was like "why is (x person, I forgot) a wagon, I hope I get night killed."

Classic Illario town moment

Lime Coke - honestly haven't really been trying to solve him at all. His recent posts about "this day phase is weird" have made me :? slightly because he's mentioned it a few times but hasn't even talked about and is just... saying it. I also just kinda find the posts funny because NAA was saying he always goes into lost mode as town mid-game lmao but yea. People are generally reading him town, I'm fine with it don't care, if he lives another day or two will just ISO then and be able to get a decently confident read probably

MacDougall - think Mac is more likely town than not. Usually when I see him try to dig himself out of holes as mafia he does it more so trying to emulate his town style. Posting reads off the cuff, throwing his ego around, kinda thing. He's done some of the ego stuff but not as much, and the biggest response to pressure from him was just writing a big iaafr case that I liked the spontaneity of and I don't particularly think he'd be casing iaafr here as a wolf cause just.. why

Tbh, thinking this is less strong of a reason than I had in my head now that I write it out though. I do agree that sitting around doing nothing comes from wolf Mac a lot more often than town Mac, too, so yeah.

Marmot - I've explained this one, already wrote enough in this post. Kinda having doubts about him mostly because of volume, I don't really know how capable he is of that as a wolf, but like, I don't really like the way most of his volume is made anyways tbh. It's all very disconnected, and especially when he explains his previous thoughts they're very empty. Like, when I asked him about the Nutella stuff, he gave very generic reasoning for the posts I quoted... but also didn't mention the thought processes going into some of his posts he made about Nutella around that time that I *didn't* quote

And like, if he's actually going thought his thought processes, it feels weird he wouldn't talk about that? Or just have more going on in general, tbh

I kinda thought his response to pressure earlier was wolfy, I don't know how much I care about that now. Not much but I may as well mention

Basically he was pretty aggro about wolf reads on him, calling them really bad, but then he immediately switched into like, cooperative mode, going "I don't think this day phase has been going in a good direction for town, we need to come together to fix the problem." It just felt skeevy but meh

NotAnAxehole - I think he's had a few towny posts but I'm going back and forth on him. I guess he's PoE, but not really a priority at all. His post earlier about me not having thoughts on spew from the wolf was good, mostly because in one of the most previous games we played I read his spew pretty in depth to push his wolf partner Alison, so it makes sense he's expecting me to look at those kinda things again. It's mostly a minor point, though. He had some posts day 1 that were like, snap read kinda things, just posting thoughts on a fair few things in quick succession. I could be wrong about this because I didn't read much of backwards mafia where he was a wolf, but I recall his reads being a lot more formulaic/stilted in that game, not as flowy as there.

I think by far the worst part about NAA is his JJJ read. He talked a lot about JJJ, and basically seemed to put a strong emphasis on JJJ's influence in his game, but at the same time claimed... no read on him. I don't really understand how you can not have a read on someone who's a focal point of your game, and it felt like an excuse more than anything. I also think him being on the wagon is actually bad considering his earlier stuff in the EoD about not voting JJJ

nutella - have felt like she's slightly towny in terms of her reads. Have some minor gripes but meh. I think the pressure against her SoD2 was jumped on by a wolf, which helps, tbh I don't remember who all did that but I know Marmot did at least which I didn't like, lol. I do agree with Iaafr's opinion that Nutella's posts about JJJ don't look partnered but I kinda expected more? Like the one Dizzy quoted earlier and said they liked was good, but I didn't really see much else from Nutella about JJJ that I went like "yeah this is someone without TMI on JJJ"

I also just barely lost to wolf!Alexa due to associative reads lol, (Gira was the one who pulled the trigger on that but I was thinking the same while alive), and kinda was thinking after seeing that, that I shouldn't be clearing partners off of like... individual posts that can really intentionally be wifomy. Nutella's thoughts about JJJ extend past one post but not significantly.

Do agree that her having no tunnels is a bit but eh. Town leaning her

staypositivefriend - Pretty conflicted on SPF this game which I don't like, leaning her wolf though. I have a lot of stuff that I'd need to pull posts for that I don't really want to do right now because I've spent a lot of time writing this but basically, I don't really agree with Alexa that SPF's EoD was that good. She did venture off the wagons temporarily that led to JJJ being in contention, but I don't think "I don't want to kill JJJ today" is something SPF wouldn't be able to post as a wolf. It's like, not that hard to think as a wolf considering it's a pretty common thought, and she did a few things I didn't like EoD. Immediately after saying she thought JJJ was wolfy but she didn't want to kill him that day, she made a really, really really wolfy post; I'm actually going to go find it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 pm i think that wilgy is the type of player that people might find easy to push on regardless of his alignment, and i also would be lying if i said that ive gotten anything alignment indicative out of his posts

the real reason that im voting for him is because he has a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in this game, but he does not appear to have a vested interest in solving the game. when someone cares a lot about a game but that "caring" doesn't translate to any visible scumhunting, then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

So, in the first paragraph she says "I would be lying if I said that I've gotten anything AI out of (Wilgys) posts"

But then immediately after goes,

then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

while saying something he's done that's wolfy. Saying, like, someone is null to you (the first paragraph), then going into "but here's something they've done that's wolfy actually, and I want them dead today" just reads so awful to me

Other random stuff I didn't like is like, her post earlier saying "I think this PoE from Mac was possibly made to wolf side,"

Which is such a weird sounding thought to begin with, but reading day 1 with that thought in mind I just go... really? Like, this Mac is making PoE's trying to hard wolf side?

He didn't do anything or push anything, and then a wolf died. I really don't think that's a wolf-siding Mac, wolf!Mac here is pretty obviously just doing nothing

I also disliked how disjointed SPF's EoD was. She threw out like.. 4 or 5 posts that were just paragraphs of her posting a thought, without much interaction. It all sounded rehearsed to me, too

I have the p403 is partnery from SPF I'm not gonna find it so there's that

Anyways what I was gonna write after all this is just stuff like, I think the gamestate rn is pretty bad just in the sense there's no real pushes and the votes on PoE are really consensus and basically no one cares, all the people who I see doing non-consensus stuff I think are town, and it's just not good imo

Current people I want to look into more are like, Marmot first of all, probably actually SPF second there, then Dizzy

Though this is a confusing amalgamation of people in terms of interactions but eh lmao

@JaggedJimmyJay
@Marmot @falcon45ca @DrWilgy

Can you look at these two posts and tell me what you get from those vs like this post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6229364

I was the one to point those out!

Did I compare them? No I forgot, will do that

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:51 pm

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Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:49 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:33 am Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:25 am Finished reading day 1. I'm kinda tired of reading posts so I skimmed/wasn't absorbing much of the EoD, but should be fine

anne - will talk about more after, generally pretty whelmed by her posts but I've liked it more than not. The biggest thing for me was her SPF read about big posts, where she posted it going like "the scummiest thing about spf is her post size," was pressured on it and said it wasn't really serious, then after being pressured a little more explains the read with like 2 decent paragraphs. It's a read that I've had on SPF before too so I kinda understand it, but mostly I think the treatment of shirking on the read by saying it's not really serious but actually having the opinion (cause she explained it and seemed decently serious) makes me think it's just genuine, it's something I've felt a lot where I'm like "yeah I don't really want to give this read cause people won't like me for it so it's just kinda a joke"

cassandra - Talked about for the most part, I thought while reading EoD briefly that her thread positioning fits a wolf who's just kinda riding consensus (which I do think is a problem right now) which also would involve going with the flow and bussing JJJ day 1, but her posts really just don't read like a bus. Even if Alexa was intending to deep wolf this game which isn't really implausible imo, I doubt she ever goes out of her way to get a partner killed when he wasn't really in contention that EoD until she talked about him a lot

DrWilgy - honestly got close to nothing from his day 1 posts. He's posted a few decently lucid thoughts this day phase that I liked, but I don't really know how he plays as wolf. Everything I've seen from him seems in line with his town games from before, though. The biggest problem I have with him is mostly other peoples posting about him, lol. People saying "the MR shot was good for him"

Like, it was on a towny, and it's not rly like he's just going to out to shoot someone outer PoE imo. Radishes is also someone who can contribute pretty well but is also a low accountability kill, like I think it's a scummier kill than not tbh.

Though I just remembered specifically his posting about calling Anne town, that was pretty good and I generally agree with the thoughts, would add those to my reasons to town read Anne

Dyslexicon - Liked their vibes but their recent reads list really pinged me

They read all of day 1 and just dropped a PoE going "Mac Anne Esooa" and it made me really just go like

This is actually just the consensus PoE for the past 24 hours and no one has cared, like hello pls why is this a thing

Particularly don't like it irt mostly in annoyance because I think I'm PoE only for being a sub, but I think it's a pretty good demonstration of what I mean. I have 88 posts in 24 hours already and I still feel like I'm being treated as a nothing slot and nobody really cares that much about my placement, the people who really do I think are decently likely town regardless. And the same thing is being done with Mac/Anne where they're just... existing as PoE and nothing is being done about it. No one's being pushed, Anne has been decently wagoned but there's no one really convicted she's a wolf, it's just kinda like.. yeah she's vaguely scummy, and votes are just placed on her

I think especially because I'm town and no one is taking any interest in movement it decently raises the others chances of being town, btw, but I digress, going back to Dizzy;

The way they engaged with the reads just felt shitty and made the thread state particularly hit me. They read day 1, which like yeah that's good, but then afterwards just dropped their fully consensus PoE with no real interest in actually solving these slots. I've posted around Dizzy a few times and liked that we had similar thoughts, but they don't even seem to have registered that fact. They said "Mac's day 1 was pretty lackluster, hope he picks it up day 2," but doesn't talk about or investigate his day 2 at all. The drive to solve from Dizzy just feels non-existent and I really didn't like it

I was gonna say their recent clap back against Illario was good, though, mostly for it feeling like a kinda towny "get the fuck off me," while I think wolf Dizzy would indeed be more of a smooth talker/etc, but I dunno I'm feeling they're decently wolfy now, prob just going to say they're null becuase idk about the Marmot interactions and think Marmot is decently wolfy

falcon45ca - Pretty confident he's town, like very. Green checked by Mac which I agree isn't ever w/w (his wolf equity probably actually increases if Mac is town cause I still kinda feel like the check is fake) but mostly has just been genuinely towny in giving like, hard hitting reads lol, as in when he explains his wolf reads they just have good conviction, and he pushes on things with determination the way he does as town, etc.

iaafr - Probs town. Had some slight paranoia from reading EoD he could be a wolf because his JJJ vote seemingly came out of no where, but I possibly just don't remember his previous stance on JJJ. I think the way he flip flopped on the read still is good but doubtfully hard clearing just cause I've pointed out this thing before and there's enough people with "iaafr meta" that I think he'd possibly be aware enough to try and subvert it like he did, more leaning to town still though. Generally just based on vibes, way he's posting, so I don't have a specific "this is town" thing from him. Some random thoughts on him I put down cause why not are that I actually did really like the way he approach SPF, he mentioned to me in DM's recently that he thinks SPF has very AI openers, and without me in the game too he brings out this read in specific about SPF, paying specific attention to her opener. Another thing I liked was the way he defended Nutella but didn't want to commit to it mostly because it reminds me of his thoughts about Limestone from a previous game, though I'm kinda eh on that particular read as the days gone longer

ilario/leetic - getting town vibes from both atm. Leetic is funny to me but the way he's pushing things seems more like a towny committed to their processes than a wolf trying to be obtuse to sow division, particularly got this feeling around EoD1. I haven't cared to read either much but Illario has just been really towny imo. Approach to NAA was good, like saying a player is mafia because they're town siding too much. Biggest thing I have in his favor was from EoD1 when he was like "why is (x person, I forgot) a wagon, I hope I get night killed."

Classic Illario town moment

Lime Coke - honestly haven't really been trying to solve him at all. His recent posts about "this day phase is weird" have made me :? slightly because he's mentioned it a few times but hasn't even talked about and is just... saying it. I also just kinda find the posts funny because NAA was saying he always goes into lost mode as town mid-game lmao but yea. People are generally reading him town, I'm fine with it don't care, if he lives another day or two will just ISO then and be able to get a decently confident read probably

MacDougall - think Mac is more likely town than not. Usually when I see him try to dig himself out of holes as mafia he does it more so trying to emulate his town style. Posting reads off the cuff, throwing his ego around, kinda thing. He's done some of the ego stuff but not as much, and the biggest response to pressure from him was just writing a big iaafr case that I liked the spontaneity of and I don't particularly think he'd be casing iaafr here as a wolf cause just.. why

Tbh, thinking this is less strong of a reason than I had in my head now that I write it out though. I do agree that sitting around doing nothing comes from wolf Mac a lot more often than town Mac, too, so yeah.

Marmot - I've explained this one, already wrote enough in this post. Kinda having doubts about him mostly because of volume, I don't really know how capable he is of that as a wolf, but like, I don't really like the way most of his volume is made anyways tbh. It's all very disconnected, and especially when he explains his previous thoughts they're very empty. Like, when I asked him about the Nutella stuff, he gave very generic reasoning for the posts I quoted... but also didn't mention the thought processes going into some of his posts he made about Nutella around that time that I *didn't* quote

And like, if he's actually going thought his thought processes, it feels weird he wouldn't talk about that? Or just have more going on in general, tbh

I kinda thought his response to pressure earlier was wolfy, I don't know how much I care about that now. Not much but I may as well mention

Basically he was pretty aggro about wolf reads on him, calling them really bad, but then he immediately switched into like, cooperative mode, going "I don't think this day phase has been going in a good direction for town, we need to come together to fix the problem." It just felt skeevy but meh

NotAnAxehole - I think he's had a few towny posts but I'm going back and forth on him. I guess he's PoE, but not really a priority at all. His post earlier about me not having thoughts on spew from the wolf was good, mostly because in one of the most previous games we played I read his spew pretty in depth to push his wolf partner Alison, so it makes sense he's expecting me to look at those kinda things again. It's mostly a minor point, though. He had some posts day 1 that were like, snap read kinda things, just posting thoughts on a fair few things in quick succession. I could be wrong about this because I didn't read much of backwards mafia where he was a wolf, but I recall his reads being a lot more formulaic/stilted in that game, not as flowy as there.

I think by far the worst part about NAA is his JJJ read. He talked a lot about JJJ, and basically seemed to put a strong emphasis on JJJ's influence in his game, but at the same time claimed... no read on him. I don't really understand how you can not have a read on someone who's a focal point of your game, and it felt like an excuse more than anything. I also think him being on the wagon is actually bad considering his earlier stuff in the EoD about not voting JJJ

nutella - have felt like she's slightly towny in terms of her reads. Have some minor gripes but meh. I think the pressure against her SoD2 was jumped on by a wolf, which helps, tbh I don't remember who all did that but I know Marmot did at least which I didn't like, lol. I do agree with Iaafr's opinion that Nutella's posts about JJJ don't look partnered but I kinda expected more? Like the one Dizzy quoted earlier and said they liked was good, but I didn't really see much else from Nutella about JJJ that I went like "yeah this is someone without TMI on JJJ"

I also just barely lost to wolf!Alexa due to associative reads lol, (Gira was the one who pulled the trigger on that but I was thinking the same while alive), and kinda was thinking after seeing that, that I shouldn't be clearing partners off of like... individual posts that can really intentionally be wifomy. Nutella's thoughts about JJJ extend past one post but not significantly.

Do agree that her having no tunnels is a bit but eh. Town leaning her

staypositivefriend - Pretty conflicted on SPF this game which I don't like, leaning her wolf though. I have a lot of stuff that I'd need to pull posts for that I don't really want to do right now because I've spent a lot of time writing this but basically, I don't really agree with Alexa that SPF's EoD was that good. She did venture off the wagons temporarily that led to JJJ being in contention, but I don't think "I don't want to kill JJJ today" is something SPF wouldn't be able to post as a wolf. It's like, not that hard to think as a wolf considering it's a pretty common thought, and she did a few things I didn't like EoD. Immediately after saying she thought JJJ was wolfy but she didn't want to kill him that day, she made a really, really really wolfy post; I'm actually going to go find it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 pm i think that wilgy is the type of player that people might find easy to push on regardless of his alignment, and i also would be lying if i said that ive gotten anything alignment indicative out of his posts

the real reason that im voting for him is because he has a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in this game, but he does not appear to have a vested interest in solving the game. when someone cares a lot about a game but that "caring" doesn't translate to any visible scumhunting, then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

So, in the first paragraph she says "I would be lying if I said that I've gotten anything AI out of (Wilgys) posts"

But then immediately after goes,

then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

while saying something he's done that's wolfy. Saying, like, someone is null to you (the first paragraph), then going into "but here's something they've done that's wolfy actually, and I want them dead today" just reads so awful to me

Other random stuff I didn't like is like, her post earlier saying "I think this PoE from Mac was possibly made to wolf side,"

Which is such a weird sounding thought to begin with, but reading day 1 with that thought in mind I just go... really? Like, this Mac is making PoE's trying to hard wolf side?

He didn't do anything or push anything, and then a wolf died. I really don't think that's a wolf-siding Mac, wolf!Mac here is pretty obviously just doing nothing

I also disliked how disjointed SPF's EoD was. She threw out like.. 4 or 5 posts that were just paragraphs of her posting a thought, without much interaction. It all sounded rehearsed to me, too

I have the p403 is partnery from SPF I'm not gonna find it so there's that

Anyways what I was gonna write after all this is just stuff like, I think the gamestate rn is pretty bad just in the sense there's no real pushes and the votes on PoE are really consensus and basically no one cares, all the people who I see doing non-consensus stuff I think are town, and it's just not good imo

Current people I want to look into more are like, Marmot first of all, probably actually SPF second there, then Dizzy

Though this is a confusing amalgamation of people in terms of interactions but eh lmao

@JaggedJimmyJay
@Marmot @falcon45ca @DrWilgy

Can you look at these two posts and tell me what you get from those vs like this post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6229364

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:18 pm

Congrats @Marmot !!!!!!!!!!!

Your prodigal son bringing honor to yalls name

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:03 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:34 am like if Nanook dies town we're going to be on day 4 that's basically day 2, one day from lylo with nothing to show for it for an entire week. But I guess that isn't the best reasoning to not want to kill Nanook. Sabi's posts about me still are p bad tho

if Nook dies town then we are on day 4, I don't understand. Why is removing players that we can't get a solid town tell on a bad thing? Does narrowing down to the last remaining wolf, not make solving better as we go?

yea I thought about that and I'm more fine with him dying, not entirely there just more fine with it. But I still don't really think he's a wolf

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:40 am I'm not sure entirely if I do. One of the things I didn't like him from was me misreading something. I'm not sure on him being town, though

And Nanook announcing he's sheeping Wilgy before Wilgy was doing things like voting OW then doing exactly that doesn't really seem like a problem to me, don't get that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:48 am

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:54 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I sense in this post Nanook is more willing to actually chat with someone about game content than many other points in the day. I'd like opinions on this.

Nanook later sheeps Wilgy's vote on Sparkles, before jumping to OW.

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:01 pm [VOTE: sparkles] aubergine

Sorry sparks

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:09 pm I have no idea what sparkles alignment is but wilgy says to kill them so I say yes boss

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:30 pm [VOTE: ow] aubergine

This vote looks terrible, especially given Nanook didn't talk about OW once all day lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:35 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:34 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:22 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:18 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:39 am Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

That's not how we got to chopping Nanook though.

Do you tihnk he's posted wolfy things?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:23 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:21 am How are you weak Sabi? I don't think of you as weak

Because, as Alison mentioned several times, I fall for ate from others. Also I don't do well when pressured because I start second guessing myself.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:22 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:18 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:39 am Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:13 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:09 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:32 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:29 am No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Well, you have been asking us to listen to you, and though I don't feel as strongly on esooa as you do, I'm trying to give it a fair shake.

I know I just get paranoid sometimes.

What is your take on her pop in and assessment on the votes on her? Esp her take on you, saying you weren't accurate about her?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:53 am Deeper review of Wilgy

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:03 am Alison W

Nook T
Falcon T
Sabi T

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:06 am JJJ W.

We've been in RVS too long for a Jay game.

These are, as far as I can tell, the first true content posts Wilgy provided (his 14th and 16th posts overall). So perhaps he did fluff a bit before getting into things. That's not a charitable interpretation, I grant. These reads generally seem believable given the context in which they arrived, albeit without explanations.

If there's one read here that raises questions, it would be the Nanook read. To this point, Nanook had made six posts, none of which really amounted to solving content. Wilgy, if you can remember this moment, any kind of expansion on that read would be super.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:25 am I do think we've found a good portion of the town so far.

Gut says wolves are in the non-present.

As of this post, I believe most players had been in the thread not including Sparkles (her first post came about three hours later). That's a nice look, as it implies a pretty restrictive POE that hit at least one mafia.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:34 am Jay, however, what do you make of Marmot?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:35 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like your thoughts on Marmot as well.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:40 am Ty for the takes. I agree.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:24 am Wilgy: I think jjj and Sabi are town

Nook: I think jjj and Sabi are scum, also wigly town

(I infer that nooks wilgy read is a townread)

:/

I raised the subject as this was the 2nd thing that I assessed as off.

Too early for the :/ face. That's like a day 2 post flip on a town yeet you really wanted to sheep reaction.

It's a small moment, but this progression does display some inkling of investment by Wilgy in moving his own hunt.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:22 pm After the game I might change Wilgy's undertitle to "Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore"

A slanking menace from the deep.

I would like for everyone to place a vote regarding their favorite new DrWilgy undertitle:

1. Ancient Creature of Syndicate Lore
2. Slanking Menace from the Deep

They're both class. Let's get it right.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:38 pm I find all of Jay's analysis so far to be correct.

Whether or not it derives from TMI and is well hidden behind truthful towny review or not, I think is very much pro town and thus they have earned a TR.

This could be called a rather frivolous town read of me. It's cool to agree with my analyses, and that's okay as a starting point for a town read. The progression from this point will be a matter of interest for me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:41 pm Sabi
JJJ
Falcon
Marmot
Nook
OW
Alison

Per my memory of this stretch of the game, I think these reads were a decent blend of consensus and counter-culture. The Alison and Marmot reads might have been relatively controversial, but generally it's about where the flow of the game was (including my own reads sans Alison). I appreciate that blend, because it doesn't imply either of the two more blatant agendas that a mafioso might pursue -- status quo boredom or total revolutionary contrianism. The balance is okay.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:45 pm Falcon and JJJ are I think the most flexible of my green reads rn for the simple fact that they are day 3-4 catches if they are W.

I'm more confident in my Marmot and Sabi read.

Jays read of Marmot I think just kinda town firms them. It's not a W/W interaction and I trust Jay's read if he's town.

This is a post I quite like. The Marmot read in particular adds a layer of nuance via gamestate awareness that I think fits congruently with a Wilgy mindset bent on sorting that gamestate.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:51 pm There is utility to what Alison has done over the last page or so independent of falcon's involvement (that sort of ties in with the "I'll take on the Mac role" mindset). I won't expand on that for the moment; I'd prefer she continue to engage the game her way before I speak on it further.

Generally, from a strategic standpoint, this is token Alison. And that's fine. I would expect to see a set of strong, principled posts from her regardless of alignment. My focus isn't on the strategy being employed but rather on the motivation, and I am inclined to perceive that motivation as genuine for the moment. I will expand when it strikes me as pertinent.

This comment is largely NAI towards Alison which is odd.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:08 pm Unless I'm misunderstanding, but it felt like you posted without stance there Jay.

Is token Alison a W or T statement?

I suggested before that I wanted to see Wilgy's progression on me, and this sequence is promising. After having dropped me in the town bucket he still paid me close scrutiny and sought clarity.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:06 pm who is outed wolf

Jay is outed wolf, vote him imo

k well your reads seem bad

Good thing I'm sheeping wilgy then innit

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Wilgy didn't accept Nanook's sheep votes with open arms. There's wifom in that, but at least it suggests the potential for critical assessment of Nanook's motivations.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:45 pm To expand a little on some of my prior Alison commentary:

I think that she must be interpreted for motivation (at least before results-based assessment via flips can provide additional insight), because her principled strategies and application of her views of logic to the game are going to be consistent and generally unrevealing. For her to turn the day into a combative thunderdomy mess, ham-fisting the "murder falcon" narrative wouldn't be especially productive on its own power unless falcon is exactly mafia; indeed, it'd even remind me of Halvosen Ridge Day 1 between her and Rondo (both mafia).

Alison's handling of this incident was considerably more nuanced and more balanced, in that she seemed to understand and intend the greater function of her attacks -- to turn the game thread into something pro-town regardless of falcon. This is the kind of thing I think she associates with MacDougall, validly, and I have behaved similarly in many past games. As soon as folks began to interact with her calls to murder falcon [and then her if he flips green etc], she took inventory (e.g., #240) and morphed it into different reads (e.g., #267, #330) stemming directly from that origin combat. I think that's a nice sign.

Aye, that's where I was yesterday before I had to step away.

The Falcon strong arm is appearing to be utilized and thus I'm good with it being pro-town. I would like to add that half my bickering at it was because I wanted to see it move, but I will say that trying to be a movement pressure is so far is so far out of my crouching moron hidden slanker that I didn't know if I was assisting in a way that wasn't distracting. I think it moved in a proper direction, BUT I'm not sure if I'm correct on how to read as it moved with mechanisms that I added not knowing if I did so correctly or not.

What I'm trying to say is I agree and the outside perspective helps.

After having previously listed Alison as a red read, and then after getting into that lengthy dialogue about "ego" with her, he was willing to move his perspective as seen here. That's decent from the standpoint of narrowing POE.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:38 pm I think everyones hould stop posting

This is a meme ass post and I like it. Nai but I like it. Not even sure if the contextual humor between the lucy/falc post count thing was intended or not, but that's how I read it.

Suppose I can use this moment to put reads as of this post in the thread:
Still thinking:
JJJ
MARM
SABI
FALC
ALISON

are town or pro town enough to not put in PoE.

NOOK will just inevitably need to be clipped if he doesn't stop shitposting.

Lucy's feeling off, like yes I get Lucy's relatively soft d1 meta, but something is off from the get go and idk how to describe it.

Esooa is null
OA is null

Sparkles is w lean

And in so doing, Wilgy produces this reads list that POEs Sparkles all by her lonesome. That is quite a clean progression that ends in precisely the right place.

~~~

Otherwise, refer to my prior assessment of Wilgy. That contains what would essentially be the counter-case, relating primarily to his vote for outed wolf.

When I raised questions in this review, I felt like I was nitpicking (and the case regarding his outed wolf vote kind of gives me a similar vibe). When I gave credit, it felt like credit earned. I still think Wilgy looks town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:52 am there is literally no one in this game who is thinking more than "well nanook I guess can be voted and Esooa said good things about the wolf once so end it there and kill her too I suppose," it's like literally the worst game possible to play lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:32 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:29 am No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:42 pm Here is the brief summary of why everyone else is town. Ping me if you need specific explanation on each case.

Sabiplz - Out of their wolf range, gains nothing by pushing me yesterday. Tried to veto one of the only other alternative exes to Sparkles. Sparkles blatantly tried to pocket and manipulate them.

DrWilgy - Broke out of their slanker meta, unlikely for them to do so as wolf. Signal boosted my scumread on Sparkles. No reason at all for them to do a complete 180 on their read on me (from wolfreading me to townreading me) when Sparkles was in danger and I was scumreading her.

Esooa - Had the exact same reads as me all game, shielded me when people were distrustful, tunnelled lucy all day but switched to Sparkles on a dime. My personal sense is that she'd powerwolf in this scenario too.

falcon45a - Absurdly townie, voted a mafia. Both me and Esooa godread him town.

Marmot - Sparkles was practically on her knees begging him to switch his vote from her (mafia) to me (town)... and he responded by saying "that's manipulative, ima vote you". Obvious town.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:42 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:39 pm BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

Hi DrSabie, what should we do in this game state?

One of yall mentioned how wolves were fine with the t vs t mess of lucy vs Alison. Which makes me think either wolf was encouraging/flaming the fire or just not acknowledging it.

Aka time to reread D2

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:39 pm BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:34 pm (why is anyone townreading Esooa)

Mainly because Alison did

And Alison was dead set on lucy being wolf.

Alison can be wrong.

What is your read marmar

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:37 pm Does W nook, actually bank on making it to F3 with a difference check?

I am actually baffled, and I think this is mostly to merit how poor I am at reading Nook. This doesn't feel like the T Nook that Shielded me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:34 pm (why is anyone townreading Esooa)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:30 pm Jay has spent much of today being a goofball which I'm inclinded to call "IDONTHAVEAFUCKINGCLUE"

Did sparkles not spew JJJ town in your eyes?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:54 pm The other half of it is just that it's not easy to say vote jjj and get people to do it

At least not in my experience

But I'm not that inclined to vote anyone else unless someone actually provides good reason to

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:07 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:56 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Why does my treatment of Sparkles as a bus make sense compared to anyone else's?

In this case, I'm talking about Jay, falcon, and esooa.

Her reaction to it primarily

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:07 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:56 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 pm Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:04 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:02 pm Why not?

Because I am a good boy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:02 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:01 pm Jay are you a wolf?

No Marmot, I am not a wolf.