The Syndicate

Yeah I think Roxy fleeced us all pretty good.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:38 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:36 am Honestly probably could've gotten a win if I tried harder. Sorry town. My fault honestly.
I fell off pretty hard on Day 4 which also contributed.

Tbh, I did not think the game would end with a miselim, I thought there were only 3 wolves.

EBWOP: I didn't think the game would end after the Day 4 miselim.

My reads were correctly set up to chop 3 wolves in a row (Epi, SVS, Kate) after the Rondo mischop if I'd bothered to do anything about it.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:36 am Honestly probably could've gotten a win if I tried harder. Sorry town. My fault honestly.

I fell off pretty hard on Day 4 which also contributed.

Tbh, I did not think the game would end with a miselim, I thought there were only 3 wolves.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:50 am Ah... C'mon man. Open night to lose in the morning. Big rip.

Oh well. I played like garbage this game.

No you didn't. I thought you were fairly townie and easy to find (which to me is anti-garbage)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:41 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:38 am Yay! Baddies!!! What a super fun game and a huge thanks to my teammates for playing it old school and saving my ass!
uwu

LMAO

I'm sure you could even enjoy In the Aeroplane over the Sea if you really wanted to.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:54 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:52 pmcry?
no elim them
How are we supposed to do that

You can do anything you want if you put your mind to it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm ok raise your hand if you're not on the role list
well roleclaiming isnt allowed

raises a frog instead
plz put me down...

marmot licks the frog and sets it down

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:57 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:53 pm But like ok let's set it aside and kill kate
why? I need reasons and proof. I have played many a game with her and have never read her correctly.
Off the top of my head

- I thought Kate was easy to read as obvtown in LGM, she hasn't been in this game.
- Dennis wanted to kill her, and he was nightkilled Night 2, which incriminates her more than anyone else.
- She was pushing Dennis, a confirmed civilian, the hardest, even after he began to settle into the game.

Then there is the possible pairing with Neon that's been observed by Epignosis and fingersplints, and I feel fairly good about fingersplints (although the jury is still out on Epi).
I didn't know you were little tsp. Only kidding.

Everyone was pushing Dennis iirc. I am sure I remember you voting for him at some point but then backing off as Epi was trying to give the kid space.
At least you have given reason, I do not think Kate would kill her own kid but you may be right about the Neon thing. I will have a look back as Neon is pinging me today.

TSP probably wouldn't give you a long explanation so I will

Also, SVS can join my townreads since she noticed what Wilgy hinted at, and he wasn't nightkilled.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:04 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:06 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:56 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:26 pm Mech spec = Mechanics speculation?

@Roxy i think it sounds like we have a 3P.

With this ratio, an extra baddie would be kinda overpowering. An extra civvie maybe not so much, unless the role had a power, then it might be overpowering too. And really, from a hosts perspective, what’s the point of a vanilla 3P?

No extra kills, so at least it doesn’t appear to be a Serial Killer
Yes speculating on game mechanics and set up. Not my thing.
Maybe speculating but you honestly have no thoughts at all about it? Ok thanks for the answer?
Not really any thoughts I had would be speculation and that's not my specialty

Let's kill Kate.

Well it appears modkills won't happen if we roleclaim, but I'm not gonna roleclaim or hint because if we all roleclaim the game will break and town will win and that's not really a fun way to win.

I think in Wilgy's case it kinda made sense because he might not be VT (as SVS pointed out), but I hope other players don't plan on doing that.

I'm willing to accept Neon's explanation that she doesn't focus on mech stuff in games, although I'm going to treat that statement as NAI.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:53 pm But like ok let's set it aside and kill kate
why? I need reasons and proof. I have played many a game with her and have never read her correctly.

Off the top of my head

- I thought Kate was easy to read as obvtown in LGM, she hasn't been in this game.
- Dennis wanted to kill her, and he was nightkilled Night 2, which incriminates her more than anyone else.
- She was pushing Dennis, a confirmed civilian, the hardest, even after he began to settle into the game.

Then there is the possible pairing with Neon that's been observed by Epignosis and fingersplints, and I feel fairly good about fingersplints (although the jury is still out on Epi).

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:53 pm But like ok let's set it aside and kill kate

yes

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm ok raise your hand if you're not on the role list
well roleclaiming isnt allowed

raises a frog instead
that's not a role claim and if it is a role claim then somebody needs to modkill wilgy

How did you know Wilgy was the frog?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:49 pm I don't think there's a 3P, I think this game was intended to have 15 players, but a 16th person signed up so Mongoose probably rolled with it.

My assumption is she just added another vanilla civ, but I doubt she would add a 3P without telling anyone, especially if it was an anti-town 3P.
but her response when asked directly left me worried. But I guess the new thing now is to ignore stuff.

I can't, sorry.

Ooooh, I'm not fully caught up yet, I've only looked at this page. I'll catch up then.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm ok raise your hand if you're not on the role list

well roleclaiming isnt allowed

raises a frog instead

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:44 pm oh you're old school I apologize I thought you were one of these MU imports

TSP would probably agree with a fair amount of your music taste.

I don't think there's a 3P, I think this game was intended to have 15 players, but a 16th person signed up so Mongoose probably rolled with it.

My assumption is she just added another vanilla civ, but I doubt she would add a 3P without telling anyone, especially if it was an anti-town 3P.

When did you vote Neon, Wilgy?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:05 pm Marmot, do you have an error with the Rondo yeet that I missed?
An error?

A rondo yeet feels like a shrug rn tbh
Kk. Same for me, but I like it more than Neon.

Was curious to see if Neon would build with you declaring your intent and me moving on there. Interesting that it didn't.

I read what Epignosis and fingersplints said about her today and I kinda agreed with it.

Whereas Rondo feels more like a bored townie than a wolf today. I'm not opposed to his chop, just didn't feel strongly about it anymore.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:05 pm Marmot, do you have an error with the Rondo yeet that I missed?

An error?

A rondo yeet feels like a shrug rn tbh

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:58 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:41 pm Having said that his self vote is kinda dooming him unless he’s around @RondoDimBuckle
Self voting should be policied honestly
On one hand I get it but like the pragmatic side is like it’s more harmful to vote off a shitty civ than a potential mafia member
Self voters flip scum far more often than town and is anti town if they are town anyways so *shrugs*
Not in my experience, but I also speak as a chronic self-voter.
I have stats somewhere that I recorded and it's like pretty high in favor of scum in general

I'd be curious to see them!

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:52 pm Let's not call other players shitty civs.
Oh on the contrary I don't think she's shitty at all, I think this game is causing chaos. I heart neon. She knows that

That was meant to be a response to a previous post haha, but alas linki

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:41 pm Having said that his self vote is kinda dooming him unless he’s around @RondoDimBuckle
Self voting should be policied honestly
On one hand I get it but like the pragmatic side is like it’s more harmful to vote off a shitty civ than a potential mafia member
Self voters flip scum far more often than town and is anti town if they are town anyways so *shrugs*

Not in my experience, but I also speak as a chronic self-voter.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:52 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:50 pm @kate thoughts on neon
Scattered, but a civ lean.

Maybe but I dunno

Let's not call other players shitty civs.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:44 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:41 pm [VOTE: Splints] aubergine
I don't think that's a hit.
That's okay I do.

Kinda thinking sig Splints right now

Why those two?

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:41 pm [VOTE: Splints] aubergine

I don't think that's a hit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm Is anyone else around for the deadline?
I'm working, but it's quiet. I'm here.
What do you think of Rondo?
Rondo is self-voting and has done nothing to help me figure anything out. Not sad if he goes.

Fair enough.

Apathy seems to be the theme for the Day 3 elimination.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:41 pm Yeah what's up?

hi

(I think Neon just moved her vote)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm Is anyone else around for the deadline?
I'm working, but it's quiet. I'm here.

What do you think of Rondo?

Is anyone else around for the deadline?

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:28 pm Well I'm going to bed, trying to will myself better.

The thing that sticks out most to me is the fake "check." So my vote is going to rondo. Not to mention I'm sheeping a tad on splints, and svs, who both seem civ minded at least in my quick catch up.

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

Good night and Merry Christmas to you and Dennis and the rest!!!

@Roxy I hope you can make it back to vote.

@Mongoose didn't ask but yes @fingersplints is right, Muppet Christmas Carol is the best Christmas movie.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:18 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:24 am Dennis was the nightkill?

1) Yes that is a huge surprise
2) I don't see this kill pointing at anyone but Kate

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

That might not be the correct answer, but I'm starting there because that feels like the simplest answer.
Because I'm just that bad of a player.

That was your second reaction to that post Kate, here was the first.
Yea I realized that I went back too far in rereading. Some of these posts I don't even remember making.

Yeah, I think you were still sick at the time so can't fault you for it.

I'd consolidate my vote onto Neon instead of Kate at the deadline. I like the theory put forth by Epignosis/fingersplints, a theory which makes Neon/Kate a possible pairing.

Even though I was pushing Rondo yesterday, I've kinda lost most of my belief from before that he's mafia, and don't really want to chop him today.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:58 pm @Epignosis @S~V~S @fingersplints

Do any of you remember Roxy’s mafia meta?

Since she’s either town or very deep wolfing. I can’t recall e if this was how she used to play.

Additionally given she’s just come back from hiatus I feel as if a mafia game would be harder for her vs town so I’m leaning town for sure.

She was mafia in the last game she played, LGM Mafia, and there's a pretty stark difference in this game to that Roxy.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:24 am Dennis was the nightkill?

1) Yes that is a huge surprise
2) I don't see this kill pointing at anyone but Kate

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

That might not be the correct answer, but I'm starting there because that feels like the simplest answer.
Because I'm just that bad of a player.

That was your second reaction to that post Kate, here was the first.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 9:13 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:24 am Dennis was the nightkill?

1) Yes that is a huge surprise
2) I don't see this kill pointing at anyone but Kate

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

That might not be the correct answer, but I'm starting there because that feels like the simplest answer.
Why would it point at me? Pretty wifom-y.

Still reading.

Ok

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:27 am Marmot and Neon, I have more complex thoughts on. Marmot's doing a lot of reads and is prompting a lot of discussion, trying to coax opinions out of people which is a good look. But it bothers me alot that he continued to imply my wordiness was AI when it absolutely is not, and I even pointed it out to him from another game where I was civ that it came up in discussion. I have very little conversational filter, so i over explain to soften things. It's something I do irl, it's a compensation mechanism. I posted the info from the other game, tagged him in it, and he did not respond, but still repeated the "too wordy" thing. When he put up his rainbow, he kinda wishy washy acknowledged it, but gave no other reason for reads. Perhaps I am just annoyed at him, because other than this I mostly townread him.

Marmot said in his rainbow list: S~V~S - I've talked about SVS at length already. She has been over-explainy, to which she has also explained this is normal for her (it's been so long since we've played together, I don't remember your exact playstyle), but at times to me it doesn't feel like it accomplishes very much. I would put her lower, but since this does appear to be the norm for her, I'm putting a little less emphasis on that particular style of posting in my read on her.

If you want me to acknowledge that this isn't that AI for you, I don't think it's fair to also accuse me of being wishy-washy of my read on you when I do.

I mean I hedging, but hedging isn't inherently a bad thing.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:26 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:28 am Oh wow, I had a feeling his flip would go this way if he was elimmed the other day.

I can say with all the certainty of my being that I will be voting my top susp. I should have never let go of it. I feel like somehow we keep overlooking the obv. Rondo.

Neon's idea that we were baited into a Lucy elim could be possible and feels better than admitting we were wrong. But I cannot sugar coat my involvement bc I really thought her un-involvement this game felt the same as last game hence her baddie-ness. I am woman enough to admit I was wrong. I am sorry Lucy.

Going to be doing a bit of driving so I will try to check in later this afternoon/evening.
If you really believed this you would have voted me. Second time double -ev

It isn't AI for Roxy to not vote until EOD (and sometimes not make it online to actually place said vote). Back when she was playing regularly, votes were locked every day, so players often didn't vote until near EOD.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:11 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:03 am Hello there... It's me, Wilgy.
congratulations on your retirement

Does this make him a post-doc?

@sig what do you make of lemonfairy beyond their opening post?

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:52 pm I'm here, but barely alive lol. I have covid so I'd really like a chance to address whatever is going on here. I'm civ incase my voters are interested.

I hope you get better soon!!!

Hmmm

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Where are you bronana?

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