The Syndicate

Congrats juliets/Lizzy. I didn't realize you were Smaug until it was too late. Nor did I have any idea you would be that killable.

Epi, who'd you target? We lost consecutive BTSC late in the game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

I had about 2400 when I died. If I'd been careful I could've been unlynchable at the end. How much did everyone else have? If I sent someone cash it basically meant I liked things they were saying or was trying to hint to them. I sent Snow money on night one to apologise for the random vote during the day, and TH (maybe Dom too?) got some for defending Boogs.

After surviving my first kill, I kept buying leather vests. I was, after my the first attempt on my life, un-NKable. I wasn't expecting MM to fuck up the numbers like he did. Had I never bought another vest, I could have amped up my voting, which might have changed things around.

After juliets tried to kill me, I figured that I didn't need votes, but that someone would NK me again soon. That never happened, and it cost me.

Actually, I was perfectly okay with being lynched, because I knew that I could take two players with me. FYI, the last player that voted me, as well as the player who voted me of my choice were the ones who would die. Juliets did survive the fireworks only because she wasn't chosen, not because of her role.

And to be fair, I would have chosen juliets, but I didn't know I was going to be lynched. Because I wasn't online when the lynch post was made, Russti picked a random player (between juliets and Spacedaisy) and SD happened to be the one. Just my luck.

I'm not upset about this, but I just wanted to make it clear that things may have turned out differently.

I had you pegged as the mayor Snow Dog, your vote when Llama was lynched made it obvious to me. Why didn't you join us then when we tried to recruit you? Did someone else already nab you?

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

I had about 2400 when I died. If I'd been careful I could've been unlynchable at the end. How much did everyone else have? If I sent someone cash it basically meant I liked things they were saying or was trying to hint to them. I sent Snow money on night one to apologise for the random vote during the day, and TH (maybe Dom too?) got some for defending Boogs.

After surviving my first kill, I kept buying leather vests. I was, after my the first attempt on my life, un-NKable. I wasn't expecting MM to fuck up the numbers like he did. Had I never bought another vest, I could have amped up my voting, which might have changed things around.

After juliets tried to kill me, I figured that I didn't need votes, but that someone would NK me again soon. That never happened, and it cost me.

Actually, I was perfectly okay with being lynched, because I knew that I could take two players with me. FYI, the last player that voted me, as well as the player who voted me of my choice were the ones who would die. Juliets did survive the fireworks only because she wasn't chosen, not because of her role.

Russtifinko wrote:

The Misty Mountains Goblins have been eliminated.

Bummer

Snow Dog wrote:So why fingersplints? Because she agreed with me? Also it's gone quiet here

I would talk with you, but there's not much I can say.

Epignosis wrote: I'm not sure if Bullzeye got his wish or not. I hope he's laughing at me regardless. Laughter is the best medicine.

I most definitely am.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Metalmarsh89 has been lynched. He was the Goblin Sapper (Goblin Town Goblins).

Dom AND MetalMarsh?! I thought I was trusting my gut too much. Really, I wasn't trusting it enough.

This has been fun. Can't wait for the postgame.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, is there really a point to me even playing this game? I don't have time to post, I don't have time to vote (Although today, we found out my grandma's surgery to remove her gallbladder got moved from mid-July to today at 3:30 so that's the main reason why), but still. So unbelievably pissed with myself.

Not sure who I would have gone with. Not like it matters, given I don't contribute anything worthwhile to this game. I'm really sorry everyone!

Thanks. I'm feeling a bit better. I need to get my head wrapped around this game before it ends though.

Snow Dog wrote:Holy cow! I mention voting MM and votes come in!

Color me bewildered.

Snow Dog wrote:Of the people I suspect are bad I am least sure of Spacedaisy and Juliets. I will give them the botd for now.

So that leaves metalmarsh.

Just a moment ago, you were uncertain about those three. What changed your mind so quickly?

Linki: what changed your mind SD?

Linki: what changed your mind juliets?

I was starting to wonder where you'd gone BWT.

I'm putting my vote on Bullzeye.

Epignosis wrote:Look:

A Person (Kylemii)
7
thellama73 (16), Dom (18), Hedgeowl (19), Bullzeye (20), fingersplints (21), Turnip Head (22), Metalmarsh89 (23) 29%

Boogs
7
Spacedaisy (3), Captain Bunny Killer (8), Leamiteo (10), A Person (12), insertnamehere (14), Lizzy (15), Snow Dog (24) 29%

++++


On the day Boogs was lynched, TH2 tied it up. If Kylemii / A Person were a teammate of TH2, that would be an unnecessary risk. Also note that on the day TH2 got lynched, Kylemii voted himself (A Person). He could have saved his vote to save a teammate (or distance hard), but he didn't do either.

At the time of Kyle's self-vote, TH only had one vote to Snow Dog's 4. But I understand your point on the Boogs lynch. Bullzeye's vote doesn't make sense if Kyle is a teammate, nor does TH's vote.

If you were a civvy, why would someone else manipulate the lynch so that llama would die and you would survive?

kneel4justice wrote:That's definitely not the result I expected.

And where from this reaction do you get the idea k4j knew what was going on?

You survived a lynch. That cannot be taken lightly.

I've already put points forward before of why I've thought you're a goblin. They are not a thing of the past.

I took a look through Kyle's posts. Not once has he interacted with you. He did vote you yesterday, but even with a 5-2 lead in the polls (he put you up 4-2), you weren't lynched. You say that you don't know why you survived the lynch, or why llama took the brunt, but how often does a player survive a lynch without actually knowing what's going on? I do not believe you here. I have read your discussion with Epi today, but Epi was convinced you are Smaug (which is still a possibility).

And considering what fingers may have said, there is a clear difference between Kyle 1.0 and Kyle 2.0. Kyle 1.0. In the first couple days when he was alive, he'd put more effort to catch up and post/vote based on his own thoughts. The new Kyle seems less interested, which considering the number of players has been cut down to 30%, the game should be easier to keep up with.

Kylemii wrote:er... i voted for bullz *crosses fingers*

just fyi there's no option to change votes in this poll

Also concerning his vote on Bullz, I feel like Kyle should have known he could only vote once. He had played earlier in the game.

You see a difference between Kyle 2.0 and Kyle 1.0?

Spacedaisy wrote:You look back over all my poss and I doubt that the word agreeable is really one that can be used to describe them, lol.

I'm sure you're right, but I also know you listed Kyle as a player you didn't realize was still playing, because he's hardly posted. Tbh, I should say the same about you. I've hardly heard a peep from you before today, but I guess your flying under the radar is your style. It is something I would expect of a baddie (Kyle possibly), but the timing of your resurgence does not indicate baddie to me.

I could see Kyle as a teammate of Bullzeye.

Spacedaisy wrote:I do believe Splints is bad. Her posts of late have been very buddy buddy with people who seem to be more influential in the thread.

I agree here, but...

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that makes a difference. Then I would leave him on my list obviously, lol

This and that look kinda the same.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I do what works?

See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.

Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.

But you don't have any reason for why me over anyone else. For all I know you've literally randomized to find the person who you'd next push for a bandwagon on. You have explained nothing and given no reason for why anybody should vote for me so I don't know what you expect. I could say the exact same about you.

You could, but I'm not sure how you'd work this little tidbit into your narrative.

Do you know why that NK attempt was not listed at the bottom of the night post as "Epi survived a night kill..." while juliets' NK attempt from the goblins was?

Oh come now, you should know how many there are.

Snow Dog thinks the thief is dead too. The lunifier is clearly still alive (unless it was , but who knows about the other two.

Snow Dog wrote:Bullz could so easily be bad and I have thought about it myself before Epi brought it up. I see no solid evidence though and am uncomfortable with the way this lynch is going.

How many civs and how many mafia are remaining do people think?

I'm leaving town soon and won't be on later today or tomorrow. So I voted now. Epi is crazy. He probably assumed that there wouldn't be much discussion without him being involved. llama, well I don't know why he voted so early.

Linki: It is not in our objective to kill Gollum, if he is still alive. The mayor is clearly an entirely different ball game since his alignment can change, as can the elves. But, Smaug and the Goblins are on different teams, so this game is still far from decided.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:um Just that we did talk? I posted before I was ready on accident. I had another one too that I was just about to post too but I won't bother.

Yes but I said that (mistakenly) because I was denying Epig's supposed connection between us. We both know there isn't one. If I'm lynched that will be made obvious and perhaps get Epi off your back but it seems like by pointing out my mistake you're trying to disagree with me about us not being connected?

Who do you think is bad Bullzeye? It sounds like you are supporting fingers here.

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm placing my vote on Bullzeye. I think he's a goblin. I don't know if I'll be able to get on again before the deadline.

Epi, what is the relationship you see between fingers and Bullzeye? I know you're crazied, but maybe you can give us something?

Care to back that up with something other than "Because Llama says his votes make him bad despite having cast the same ones" or "Because Epig says so and admits he doesn't really have much reason to think it"? There isn't a relationship between me and Splints. I don't think we've even spoken to each other all game.

I assume Epi saw something there that I didn't, because he thinks you're Smaug and fingers is the Mayor. It sounds like he thinks you're teammates. I saw he brought up a point about fingers a while back too about his late addition to the game and what role he might be based on that. See that here. I don't think that is what he's talking about though.

And I don't know why you keep saying that I'm following llama's lead. Looking at your vote record was Epi's suggestion anyway, but I do think he is partially incorrect in his hypothesis. And I guess I don't technically agree with llama, because even though he thinks you are a goblin, he agrees with Epi who says you are Smaug.

I'm placing my vote on Bullzeye. I think he's a goblin. I don't know if I'll be able to get on again before the deadline.

Epi, what is the relationship you see between fingers and Bullzeye? I know you're crazied, but maybe you can give us something?

^^^Botched the quotes on that one.

Bullzeye wrote:I figured you would. I wonder how many else will mindlessly follow you and Epig into failure. Anyone who doesn't want to make a mistake is welcome to vote someone else.

My decision won't be a result of mindless sheepery.

My preference would be Snow for reasons I've already gone over but if I'm where the bandwagon wants to point today then I honestly don't mind who dies in my place as long as they're bad.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this statement doesn't make any sense to me.

• Day 1 - Bullzeye random voted Snow Dog. It's day 1, so whatever.
  
  Day 2 - Bullzeye voted in the lynch of FZ. FZ as we know was a member of the Moria Goblins. Nothing wrong with that. But I did find this post slightly amusing. Bullzeye tells sawyer to follow his gut not the crowd, but then follows the crowd, not his gut.
  
  Day 3 - No posts or votes, seemed to be out for IRL reasons.
  
  Day 4 - Posted once, but didn't explain his vote, or even state it. Voted at the end of the Mongoose lynch. Mongoose escaped the lynch, but was later lynched and turned out to be Bilbo.
  
  Day 5 - Voted Mongoose again. I think many of us were convinced that Mongoose was Smaug after surviving the previous lynch. There's a good chance Smaug is one of the voters on this Mongoose wagon. I also noted that Epi did not vote this day.
  
  Day 6 - Cast the deciding vote on Vompatti, who flipped to be Thorin.
  
  Day 7 - Voted A Person, though Boogs was lynched while these two were tied. Boogs was the Elf Gaoler.
  
  Day 8 - Voted Snow Dog when TH 2.0 was lynched, though these two were also tied. TH was the Misty Mountain's Great Goblin. He does say he trusted TH. If he is Smaug, I doubt this means anything. If he is the Mayor, his vote is worth three, so I don't see how TH 2.0 could have been lynched.
  
  Day 9 - Place the first vote on INH, who was lynched. INH was Dwalin.

Looking at Bullzeye's voting track record, I'm in partial agreement with you Epi. Both Bullzeye and fingers voted for Snow Dog on Day 8. Snow Dog and TH 2.0 were tied at seven votes, but TH was lynched. If anything, the mayor could have been on the TH wagon, also meaning that he is doubtfully in cahoots with the Misty Mountain Goblins. The mayor could be in league with Smaug, but my belief from this is that fingers is NOT the mayor as you suggested.

Back to Bullzeye. He has been more active since about Day 6 or so. Before that, he posted just as much at night as he did during the day. With the night periods being half as long, that's a curious pattern. Bullzeye has voted on several bandwagons, which may be what you were looking at Epi. Not only this, but he claimed trust of TH here, a day before TH was lynched. I think that if Bullzeye is bad, llama is correct, and that Bullzeye is an inhabitant of the Misty Mountain. This is a claim that I would support.

I guess fingers could be a Goblin too. Are you seeing signs indicative of them being teammates, Epi?

Linki: lol

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

How come he can talk to us then?

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BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

I'll take a look at their votes in a little bit.

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So you think Bullzeye and fingers are the mayor and Smaug?

I self-voted. I know I've solved the riddle, so I feel a little more comfortable doing so.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Well, I'll vote BWT to go in.

Thanks! Because I've always wanted to tame a fire-breathing dragon!

Linki: So what's the theory behind MM being Smaug? Because this is the first time I remember that connection being made. Of course, my memory is also terrible at times.

They probably forgot to post in sarcastic-orange.

kneel4justice wrote:So, do you think the poll is voting for someone we don't trust?

I don't know. I'd rather risk a baddie getting gold than risk roasting a civvie.

Who's Smaug? We should send them in.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Who has solved the runes?

Snow Dog wrote:Seems to me a dagger was bought and used. Dom attempted a NK and was stabbed in return.

Also has anybody had their gold stolen at all recently? If not it is possible the Goblin gtheif is dead.

I don't feel comfortable with this observation. I agree with it, but the motivation for it seems questionable. What suddenly gave you the idea that the goblin thief might be dead?

And I have not been robbed of gold either.

Kylemii wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Kylemii wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I was all set on a K4J lynch, but his defense was strong enough to change my mind. Then I was all set for a Dom lynch, and once again, he came across as sincere and genuine, so that I no longer want to lynch him.

Now I am leaning either in INH's direction or in Kyle's direction, based on the case Rob made about him.

Snow Dog remains an enigma. I don't quite know what to make of him.

Wait what case? :-? who is Rob?

The correct question here is "What is Rob?"

A Rob is an Epignosis right?

Kylemii wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Kylemii wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So INH was bad in X-Men and Harry Potter. In X-Men, he didn't even post on the day he got lynched. In Harry Potter, he started posting nonsense.

In Willow, INH was civilian (he also responded in orange then for what it's worth), and it was the most focused game I've ever witnessed him play.

I don't know what to make of INH this time. He is not my #1 suspect though. I'm eager to look back at A Person / Kylemii 2.0. No Moria kills for a while, then he subs in, and boom, the kills start again. That's a hell of a coincidence.

My only qualm about this is that AP wasn't that inactive. As I said earlier, he only missed one lynch vote. Do you really think he was missing all the PMs?

hmmm is that the case? if a person were a moria goblin and i were replacing him if anything the kills would just become less frequent... i haven't caught up all the way

have i seriously been back in the game for 5 days??? sorry guys I need to get my shit together and get all caught up

wait shit i guess i missed the poll... does that mean Dom was the last Moria Goblin? RIP INH

Yes you did miss the poll... And as for Dom being the last Moria goblin, I'm convinced. Russti didn't say exactly that in the event post, but I can't figure out any other possibilities. I still wonder why we didn't learn Dom's role though.

I don't know how long you've been back, but I'm not even going to try to figure it out. Llama says I'm bad at math.

I think based on Dom's post death comments he was probably the last moria goblin. unless INH was a seemer, or the team death announcement was delayed

There is that slight possibility with INH, but I don't think that's the case.

As for the team death announcement being delayed, the last Moria goblin could have been killed no earlier than Night 8, because they made a kill that night. That would leave CBK as the other option. Player reads aside, I don't think that happened.

Kylemii wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I was all set on a K4J lynch, but his defense was strong enough to change my mind. Then I was all set for a Dom lynch, and once again, he came across as sincere and genuine, so that I no longer want to lynch him.

Now I am leaning either in INH's direction or in Kyle's direction, based on the case Rob made about him.

Snow Dog remains an enigma. I don't quite know what to make of him.

Wait what case? :-? who is Rob?

The correct question here is "What is Rob?"

Kylemii wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So INH was bad in X-Men and Harry Potter. In X-Men, he didn't even post on the day he got lynched. In Harry Potter, he started posting nonsense.

In Willow, INH was civilian (he also responded in orange then for what it's worth), and it was the most focused game I've ever witnessed him play.

I don't know what to make of INH this time. He is not my #1 suspect though. I'm eager to look back at A Person / Kylemii 2.0. No Moria kills for a while, then he subs in, and boom, the kills start again. That's a hell of a coincidence.

My only qualm about this is that AP wasn't that inactive. As I said earlier, he only missed one lynch vote. Do you really think he was missing all the PMs?

hmmm is that the case? if a person were a moria goblin and i were replacing him if anything the kills would just become less frequent... i haven't caught up all the way

have i seriously been back in the game for 5 days??? sorry guys I need to get my shit together and get all caught up

wait shit i guess i missed the poll... does that mean Dom was the last Moria Goblin? RIP INH

Yes you did miss the poll... And as for Dom being the last Moria goblin, I'm convinced. Russti didn't say exactly that in the event post, but I can't figure out any other possibilities. I still wonder why we didn't learn Dom's role though.

I don't know how long you've been back, but I'm not even going to try to figure it out. Llama says I'm bad at math.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to be picking a person I don't feel comfortable with to "volunteer" to go through the door.

I was thinking about voting for you.

Russtifinko wrote:Another host post coming. A few important notes:

1. As you may have, noticed, this NIght will last 48 hours. That is partly due to special events happening tonight, and partly due to scheduling conflict's in your host's life. I do not believe it will cause inconveniences for anyone, since you're actually getting MORE time, but I do apologize for the inconsistency. I will be back in the U.S. next week, and thus I hope this will be our final schedule-related disturbance.

Is tonight's special event on its way?

Linki: Hedge got third though.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

It was fun while it lasted. I snicker at you, Logan!

Can't wait to talk post-game!

Goddammit.

I don't trust this statement.

I can't believe I didn't notice that before. Dom wasn't around on Night 4, hence no kill from the Moria Goblins. And no one killed on Night 6.

But Epi, that doesn't mean your theory about Kyle is completely hosed.

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
The INH discussion has generated input from several parties. You, llama, and Epi have all made rather simultaneous cases, and even BWT offered a controversial suspicion. Actually, llama hasn't really made a case, but he's definitely prodding. I'm staying objective at the moment, because INH did mention IRL issues which I'm expecting him to expound on a little.

I think this is the second time that llama has wanted to vote for you this game, but you've 'changed' his mind. And you're not the only one it has happened to. Does llama always waffle this much? Or is it his poor track record in this game?

What you seem to forget is that Llama's suspicion of me has always been compounded with a suspicion of you (based on MP, if I am not mistaken). He has dropped it twice. Therefore he has dropped BOTH of us twice. In addition, I do not think this is indicative of a baddie Llama. I think we are seeing a civvie llama who is unsure of his actions.

However, your post is unsettling to me, tbh. Why are you prodding ME on what LLAMA has done?

I was looking for feedback on llama's meta and its presence in this game, and asking llama directly would not be a good course of action, especially if he is bad. And you are mistaken about his suspicion of me. He's only mentioned it once that I know of, but for entirely different reasons than his suspicions of you. He just threw our names together on Day 1 because we happened to be number one and two on his list (in no particular order). And this recent resurgence of it has nothing to do with me.

Linki: Ok so we're on the same page there.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, let's do the time warp.

I usually post and vote in a thread a few hours before the poll ends. See any game I have ever played for proof.

Very well.

In X-Men (a full game, 48 hour Days), you were on an evil team of 7, and you had a total of 23 posts in the span of eight game Days, and I don't think you were hosting a game at all during any of that time.

In Willow (a speed game, 24 hour Days), you were civilian, and you had 85 posts in the span of nine game Days.

To be fair, INH was hosting the Stanley Parable game for much of that time.

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:But you're suddenly plenty chatty when people start talking about lynching you, I see.

OK, let's do the time warp.

I usually post and vote in a thread a few hours before the poll ends. See any game I have ever played for proof. So, me checking in on the thread before a lynch, seeing that people have suspicions of me, and then responding to those suspicions, is suspicious to you?

You checked in last night too, but never posted. There were people talking about you too, primarily llama and Dom.

Linki @ Dom: You are all 'seemingly' ganging up on INH.

Who is "all"?

In addition, discussing someone is NOT ganging up on them. Did we gang up on TH? A Person? Snow Dog? Mongoose? MP? Elohcin? FZ?

The INH discussion has generated input from several parties. You, llama, and Epi have all made rather simultaneous cases, and even BWT offered a controversial suspicion. Actually, llama hasn't really made a case, but he's definitely prodding. I'm staying objective at the moment, because INH did mention IRL issues which I'm expecting him to expound on a little.

I think this is the second time that llama has wanted to vote for you this game, but you've 'changed' his mind. And you're not the only one it has happened to. Does llama always waffle this much? Or is it his poor track record in this game?