The Syndicate

zeek wrote:Interesting fact: This is my first loss

Thanks Epi

Whoa, you have as many wins as I do, and I've been here almost a year.

Well that's a testament to my mafia ability.

zeek wrote:Sorry I was killed so early, Epi! Curse of N4 it seems. I was just getting a bit more free time when I was killed as well. I was gearing up for a massive bribe as well.

Always wanted an indy role and I got one at the worst possible time.

Nobody took my bribes, apart from Boogs. Boogs then voted who I asked him to, so I didn't even get to kill him. I suck.

I might've accepted your bribes.

Thanks Rob for hosting. This was a dandy of a game.

I've decided that I hate secrets. My imagination runs wild when I'm trying to figure out what they are.

Russtifinko wrote:I actually came out even on the money-making game, I think! I was kinda salty you guys were gambling my money, though. :P

I spent a LOT of rupees on your Patra. I wwas really torn between it and a Wizzrobe. Looking back, I wish I could get a do-over on that. If anyone had figured out who the baddies and/or I were, they could've stopped all Night kills. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. I think I had like 60 Overworld and 80 Underworld rupees at the end. But I knew we needed voting power, and all my Overworld minions were dead.

I kinda agree with you. When I first got the role, I was excited, but as the civvies kept dropping, I realized my role wasn't going to do anything.

I'm glad you were Ganon too. Unfortunately, I was terrible in participating in contests after I was upgraded.

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:That was probably the most exciting game I have ever played in, day-to-day. I LOVED being able to figure some things out for myself, and not either being totally in the dark or handed info. I came home from work every day, and when the post came up I went to town with lists and rupee counts and logic trains. I really wanted to win this one for the civs. Thanks for the awesome game, Epi!
I can tell people now that I handpicked you for this role, hoping you would bring this kind of zeal to it. Thank YOU for that, Russti!

Russtifinko wrote:Linki: If we had lynched her yesterday, could we have still won?
Eloh's vote was worth 3 (she bought the rod and the book), and nijuu's vote was worth 2 (she had a rod only). thellama73 had a 1 the whole time. So if you all had lynched nijuu, there would have been no kill, but they would have still had a voting power of 4.

MM89 targeted Snow Dog the Night he died, so he would have learned SD was civilian, by the way.

Son of a bitch. So llama convincing Snowy to switch his vote was the deciding factor in the game.

I don't blame you Snowy. If everyone hadn't put their votes on Eloh already, I probably would have joined you, because I was suspicious of MR. The main reason was because I had rolechecked MR the previous night and the action failed. I assumed MR had a shield. I was bewildered when he flipped civ. That told us who all the baddies were at that point, but it was also too late.

How many rupees did you have left Russti?

Also, how many rupees did we cost you on the money-making game? :P

Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:And as MM asked, how was I killed? The recorder alone can't do it?
That was just story- you guys were outnumbered in terms of voting power.

Was Eloh rezzed, or was that also flavor?

Also, what was the answer to the lion riddle?

Epignosis wrote:And because I'm so disappointed that this didn't get to happen, I am putting Gleeok in the game of champions!

Elohcin wrote:Snow, I would have stayed alive if you hadn't made me vote myself

It was good fun guys!

That's so awesome.

By the way, did you actually buy a bomb when I suspected you did or not?

Made wrote:MM, MR. where your votes switched to vote for Liz?

Mine was never switched to my knowledge.

The night that I became Patra, Ganon's seventh guardian, was the night I realized Russti had to be civ. I don't know if he knew I was the one who was upgraded, but I was certain he was Ganon, or at least he was on his team somewhere. I'm surprised no one called me for backpedalling on that one.

Also, I rolechecked MR on Night 6, but for some reason it failed. Anyone know why?

Linki: I also thought Made was Zola

but I realized there was no point lynching him with such low civvie numbers, so I left it alone.

llama, I applaud your efforts. I don't know if it was a difference-maker or not, but you were able to convince Snow Dog to switch his vote to MR on Day 7.

I still knew you were bad though.

Made wrote:But I was Guardian?

The first or second time?

I am confused, what was Snow Dog killed with?

Good game everyone. Too little too late it seems.

That was fun though.

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oops, I meant to post this first.

I've returned to my previous opinion on Russti. I'm confident he is civ. Eloh voted him on consecutive days, including during the tie between Dom and Russti. Considering that Eloh (presumably) didn't know what would happen in a tie, he must be civ.
This is why I said Russti is in the clear.

I am surprised you doubt me as civ though. Who are we lynching tomorrow?
I said that Eloh's thoughts on you and bloops are equal in my mind. The difference was that my own read of you is civ.
Elo was bad. How can you trust her thoughts on anyone?

Her thoughts should still be dissected, especially something like this. If she still has two teammates alive, we need to look through her interactions and reads on everyone, because that can support any theories we have already. For example, she gave a relatively lengthy analysis on llama without really actually saying much. Her read on ninja was very noncommital, but so was her read on you. She said Russti could be bad, which was mainly for consistency since she's suspected him before and voted him twice. I don't think he's bad, nor does anyone else to my knowledge.

Linki: I'm saying that I don't think she's distancing with Made in this game. Eloh would not 'fake' contacting a mod to make a teammate look more civ. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Eloh had been pushing for a Made lynch since before we (except Made) decided she was bad.

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oops, I meant to post this first.

I've returned to my previous opinion on Russti. I'm confident he is civ. Eloh voted him on consecutive days, including during the tie between Dom and Russti. Considering that Eloh (presumably) didn't know what would happen in a tie, he must be civ.
This is why I said Russti is in the clear.

I am surprised you doubt me as civ though. Who are we lynching tomorrow?

I said that Eloh's thoughts on you and bloops are equal in my mind. The difference was that my own read of you is civ.

Oops, I meant to post this first.

I've returned to my previous opinion on Russti. I'm confident he is civ. Eloh voted him on consecutive days, including during the tie between Dom and Russti. Considering that Eloh (presumably) didn't know what would happen in a tie, he must be civ.

I'm definitely voting for llama tomorrow though based on Eloh's read of him.

I doubt that Made is Hyrulian. I'm a bit torn between ninja and Snow Dog from trying to sort out Eloh's thoughts. My own read has been civ on Snow Dog, which would leave ninja as the other option. Thoughts Russti?

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so I did my usual speed game read through. Here you go...

Dom - At first he was contrary in a playful way. Next was talked about not having much time/zeal for Mafia right now. Ten he gives SD the stink eye for talking about posting puzzle answers in the thread. He throws out suspicions here and there, but doesn't say anything to back up his suspicions. His voting record: no votes to the civs who have been lynched.

Fingersplints - She's been helpful to other players. She has explaind her suspicions. Nothing pings me about her.

Made - Replaced in, of course. He's invested, talkative which is good, but I feel he's been a bit cocky in feeling like he is completely trusted b/c he was replaced. He is one of my top suspects for this behavior alone.

Metalmarsh - seems level-headed, active and helpful.

Mr Rearranger - I'm not sure what to think after rereading him. He's hard to read...could be affiliated with either IMO.

Niju - She doesn't post much, but her posts seems to be meaningful/helpful. She is hard to read too.

Russ - He seems to have a lot of helpful things to say. He seems to be trying and coming up with suspicions, however I am not sure that his suspicions have much weight. So, I am pinged by that.

Snow Dog - Just overall seems like he is playing a pretty civ game.

Llama - I remember reading that some thought he wasn't posting as much as usual. May be true, but the page numbers seem to suggest he is about average for this game. He had four pages of posts like several other players. Anyway...his posts are helpful and he voices suspicions.

Nothing else to say, unfortunately. Rereading each player didn't really bring about any new pings, but there you go. Maybe you will be encouraged to do your own read through and post on everyone. I know many of us are getting discouraged by lynch results.

thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Does anyone think that little altercation that elo had with Made was set up? Was it distancing?
I've been confused by Made's behavior all game. It wouldn't surprise me.

The fact that she also quit Monopoly Mafia makes me think otherwise.

Elohcin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:He should answer.
Thank you Snowy.

Checking in to see the result. Good result. RIP Eloh.

I forgot to say so, but I thought he should have answered your question, and still can.

Snow Dog wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:This is such a weird point in the game. What do we talk about for the next six hours?

llama, are you a baddie?
Why made won't better explain his post.
We can also talk about what we are having for lunch. I made elbow noodles with a Parmesan/mozzarella sauce for my kid sand me.
@ Epi...we are out of Parmesan
I am cooking chicken thighs in a barbecue rub, mashed carrots and swede with Brocolli.

I have to finish writing a paper, then do a few other things I have been putting off. And it's too early for me to have lunch.

But Made, I think you should at least put your vote back on Eloh. I dunno why you'd want to back out now.

This is such a weird point in the game. What do we talk about for the next six hours?

llama, are you a baddie?

thellama73 wrote:No. Made is an enigma.

This ftw.

Elohcin wrote:Well, just b/c all of you think I am bad doesn't mean I should be ignored.I really want to know what he was talking about in the part that I bolded. Do you have any clue what he is saying there?

I'm guessing it's the question about tie lynches? I don't know what he means by "civvies already know/assume" though.

Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:No. Made is an enigma.

Anyways, switching my vote to Llama for the time being, Anyone else willing to follow, or are going to take the guaranteed hit, rather than risking Llama being civvie ( which i doubt)

I say we push for the lynch on Eloh. We're going to have to sooner or later.

EBWOP: Zola not Zora.

Made wrote:jokes aside, rereading Ninja, I can't say i understand/know everyone else's reasoning for suspecting Squid, but i have my own. rereading stuff.

I suspected bloops as a byproduct of my suspicion of Eloh and MR yesterday, but with MR being civ, the reasoning doesn't really stand.

At this point, and this is partially thanks to your revelation if it's true Made, I think Russti and llama are the other two baddies.

But after all this, where does Zora fit into the equation? Is that you Made?

Btw llama, I refuse to listen to you today.

Dang, fingers was the one player I trusted over anyone else.

RIP fingers.

Made wrote:Holy fuck, Russ is mafia.

I see where you're coming from, I think.

This makes some assumptions about Dom that I'll have to look into.

Carp, I lost track of time.

thellama73 wrote:I can't believe you guys are trying to blame this one me.

I can't believe you're trying not to take any blame.

thellama73 wrote:I am so confused.

And that's why I wanted a more unanimous lynch.

Sorry Logan, my vote stays.

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?
No. Why do you want a tie?
Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.
I'm not partial one way or the other, but I want it to at least be unanimous.
Unanimity means the Baddies agree with you, which is a bad thing.

For want of a better word, that is what I'm callig it.

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?
No. Why do you want a tie?
Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.

I'm not partial one way or the other, but I want it to at least be unanimous.

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

nijuukyugou wrote:And I've been pretty upfront about solving the puzzles in-thread when we've worked together, as well as my voting. So why can't that "somewhere" be Civ?

Nobody has been more up-front than Made has when it comes to the puzzle-solving.

^^^posts not votes

Mister Rearranger wrote:I can always switch back. I like ties.

I just worry about lynching a civ Eloh when I feel like I've participated less and deserve to go if any civ is going to go. :/

You have twice as many votes as Eloh though. I don't know what you mean by that.

Russtifinko wrote:Holy shit, who switched????

I did, because there was a tie. But I do realize there are 60 minutes left and 3 votes yet to be cast.

Linki: Well I'll be darned...

thellama73 wrote:
Made wrote:I like an Elo Lynch, and I liked an MR lynch, but the fact that it's now between an eloh vs a MR is making me wavery. logically, if baddies are attempting a save they're not going to try to try to switch a mafia for mafia. I'm gonna have to keep my vote where it is. MR and Elo both look sus, but i don't like the sudden switch to MR. IF Elo flips baddie, these events will look really bad for Llama....
I am not worried about looking bad. I am worried about lynching the right person, and I am far more confident about MR than I am about Eloh.

Lol, that's exactly what I told fingers earlier and she voted me for it.

thellama73 wrote:Eloh and MM, would you be willing to vote for MR if we could get a plurality?

Definitely, I'm confident MR and Eloh are both bad.

thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Oh, and llama I did elaborate somewhat on my trust of him when you asked last night. I think it's on this page or the last one. Idk if it helps you or not, but it puts some reasoning behind it.
Okay, thanks. I went back and read your post. I don't fully agree with you though. I have seen baddies make the kind of post you don't think a baddie can possibly make before, and I have been fooled by them before. In particular, Long Con and MP like to do these kind of detailed analyses when they are bad.

I will definitely consider changing my vote before the end of the lynch though. We still have time. Is Eloh your first choice? I tend to agree with Made that I don't think her "slip" was a slip.

The 'slip' aside, would you mind looking at the correlations I pointed out between MR and Eloh and tell me what you think.

Elohcin wrote:sorry for the triple post. I just noticed I now have 2 votes and metal has three. This is a crucial vote guys. I don't think Metal is bad. I think Made is.

linki: does that mean you are changing to MR? And if I haven't interacted with Niju, its b/c she hasn't really posted much. When I did my reread of everyone, she only had one page of posts.

Would you consider a vote for MR?

Also of note, not only has Elohcin not interacted with ninja blooper, but MR hasn't either. He's only mentioned her in the same breath that he mentioned Elohcin today in the post I quoted in my previous post.

On the other side of the table. MR has not interacted with Eloh once, and this is the one time that he mentioned any sort of stance on her.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Russ, this is difficult. The two at the top of my list are MM and Snowie.

For the third spot, I'm struggling with a toss-up of Niju and Eloh.

Splints and Llama after that, in my "not confident, but leaning civ" group. But I've wavered and swapped them with Eloh in my mind at various points during the past 2 days as well. :/

And finally, feeling nearly confident that you and Made are good.

Aside from this post, MR has not offered any useful observations today. There has been a ton of discussion already, but look at these posts.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Aye. It took me a lot of days to do a lot of things in this game.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
fingersplints wrote:when did I get to your third spot?
You don't fit with the Snow and MM scenario, in my mind.

Are you surprised?

Mister Rearranger wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I was talking to llama. You have mentioned me lots, I wasn't be surprised by yours, if only a little bit that I wasn't higher.

linki. but why llama
Oh, haha. I was looking at that like you were his 2nd group and my 3rd. Mia culpa.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Finicky - fussy about one's needs or requirements
I don't know if fussy is the best description of me, Made.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Made, I did give my reason for gettng more active at the time of the Courage event. Isht became personal. I don't know if you're purposely or subconsciously ignoring it to fit your narrative, but I mentioned it a few times.

Mister Rearranger wrote: I feel like we're all just walls yelling at each other this game.

This is indeed a crucial point in the game, but for someone who has been active up to this point, he is not treating it as such. These posts read more like they came from a relaxed baddie not a civvie.

Okay, here is a list of all living players Eloh has interacted with. llama, this should please you a little more than rupee-counting. :P

llama, Made, MM, Russti, Snow Dog, fingersplints. That leaves ninja blooper and MR.

Here are the only two times she mentioned MR. The first time, she listed him as possible baddie, after disclaiming that she is not very suspicious of anyone. The second time she decided he was hard to read.

Elohcin wrote:I feel the same way as these two and have said it before. The votes I have cast were based of suspicions that other players have brought up. I just don't see anyone as very suspicious so far. If I were to go with my gut (which is usually right btw) I would say...Russ, MR, and Made are the baddies. I am voting Russ today as I did yesterday.

Elohcin wrote: Mr Rearranger - I'm not sure what to think after rereading him. He's hard to read...could be affiliated with either IMO.

Well I finished my exam early, so I'm back.

Made, I am very confident that MR is bad. But I'm having a harder time proving that than I am for Eloh. I'm gonna take a look at their interactions too, that might be telling.

thellama73 wrote:linki: I did think it was a good point and worth thinking about. Then I thought about it and realized we couldn't draw any firm conclusions. You are determined to draw firm conclusions in spite of this, and I think you have a baddie motive for doing so.

I can't win. I'm going to class, I might be back on later.

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