The Syndicate

Thanks for the tires FZ. You helped sway my vote to the only players left who could be bad.

So many confirmed civs at the end of the game, it's kinda difficult for the baddies to weasel out of that.

Thanks for the game Epig and Eloh, and thanks for allowing me to replace in and get a win.

Black Rock wrote:Holidays always kill threads.

I third that notion. I won't have much time either.

For now I'm voting LC.

RIP DF. And good game.

So now we wait.

Epignosis wrote:The Host post will be a tad late this evening. Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas to you too.

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.
But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?

If he is, he would certainly pick the civvie over the baddie to take the lynch. Otherwise, he might not have much of a chance to win.

The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?
Tink also said Splints was good. I'm keeping it in mind, but in my opinion, DF is the sure baddie, and then even though I have reasons to think MM might be bad, I feel DF is the safer bet.
Why did LC vote MM?

I'd bet that DF and LC are the last two baddies, one being Miles and one being Chick. I can't think of another good reason for LC to pick up a weak case on me rather than go with a stronger case on DF.

Linki: Oh, I see. No idea.

Linki 2: My experience with tracking is that you track a player, and you learn who that player visited, but not who visited them.

Oh, and Tink thought that LC was Professor Z, and that is false. Since the seemer is still alive, fingerZ is definitely Prof Z.

Linki: What do you mean? We would still have a night phase right?

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

You're taking a lot of things for granted if you believe it.

1) Tink said fingers was good. She was wrong about that.

2) Assuming Tink tracked me, there is no possible way to determine who Miles is, up until last night (when she died). Miles does not appear to have a night action, so would not have visited anyone until the kill last night.

3) That FZ's case is actually true. You said so yourself the you think it is a risky strategy, and that you would not do it.

So not only do you think it suddenly could have happened, but you are ignoring other pieces of evidence that discount Tink's suspicion. I know that she is wrong. I cannot explain entirely why she is wrong, but from my knowledge, I know that her statement is a guess, because there is no other logical reasoning for it.

DFaraday wrote:Voting MM because I know I'm civ, and there's still a chance he's not.

I thought you wanted to throw suspicion on FZ. Why vote me?

DFaraday wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm a civ and most certainly not self-voting. Snow Dog is civ. FZ is civ. BR is civ. So that narrows it down to you and DF.

Who would you rather I voted for?
You're acting as if everyone except LC and I have been confirmed civ, which is not true. You were indeed killed by the Lemons, but the baddies are playing a risky game, it seems. It's not outside the realm of possibility that you are, in fact, a Lemon.

And I still haven't seen anyone state why FZ is likely civ. She's been skating by pretty unexamined for most of the game.

What part of their game is risky?

FZ replaced Boogs, who was inactive for a period of time, so she is definitely not Chick. Also she has struck me as civ based on interactions and vote patterns.

I'm a civ and most certainly not self-voting. Snow Dog is civ. FZ is civ. BR is civ. So that narrows it down to you and DF.

Who would you rather I voted for?

DFaraday wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting DF for now.

Why is Snow Dog not drawing suspicion from anyone? Is he confirmed civ for some reason that I missed.
The main reason is that Snowy was insistent that Made was civ, so people think he was probably Made's BTSC partner.

EBWOP: A lot happened while I let this post sit here.

Indeed. Process of elimination, and you're the only one left to vote.

Ebwop: Did I say DF? I meant FZ.

Long Con wrote:Snow Dog defended Made with the tenacity of a teammate. Made was someone who likely has BTSC with someone.

Thanks. Btw, I was killed by the lemons and later rezzed. Do you still think that Tink was right? Do you support DF's admittedly wild case?

Long Con wrote: You, however, were fingered by Tink as Miles Axelrod, and then Miles Axelrod killed Tink. It's pretty suspicious, to put it mildly. And then you try to throw it over to Snow Dog. Tink was probably British Intel, if I'm reading the reasonably clear signs correctly.

Hmm, interesting. Tink may have tracked me then, but there couldn't be anything to learn that would point at me being Miles.

For the record, she also said she thought fingers was good.

I am not trying to put it on Snow Dog LC, I am trying to learn why he is "undeniably likely to be a civ role".

Answer the question please.

BR, penny for your thoughts on Snow Dog?

I'm voting DF for now.

Why is Snow Dog not drawing suspicion from anyone? Is he confirmed civ for some reason that I missed.

So Ambray was the real McQueen. I was defintelywrong about MP then.

FZ. wrote:Crazy question:
Have baddies ever NK one of their own, hoping that person would get resurrected? Because BWT was killed the second night the lemons had a chance (after failing with MP or DF), and a resurrecting civ wouldn't take a chance on someone killed by Chicks, so there's a high chance that civ would choose BWT, not wanting to risk being lynched or NK before resurrecting. Seeing that BWT wanted to be replaced, maybe they decided to take a chance and if he got resurrected, it would make him look like the epitome of civviness, and then, he could ask to be replaced.

How crazy does that sound? And has it ever been done? Keep in mind that MM was the last to vote for Splints, when it was obvious she was going to be the one lynched.

I do think it is pretty far-fetched. Not impossible, but it did not happen.

Linki: now that Tink is dead, I think she was Mr. the King.

DFaraday wrote:
FZ. wrote: DF not voting for Splints is weird. If he's the other lemon, it makes sense. If he's Chicks, why not vote with the civvies to look good? Either way, he's not looking good at this point.
I don't follow the second half of your reasoning. You're saying if I were Chick, I would vote for Splints, but since I didn't vote for Splints, I'm looking more like Chick?

I voted FZ because I found her more suspicious than Splints, as I stated earlier. If voting my suspicions instead of bandwagoning is suspicious, so be it. Also, SD, when there are only 8 players left, I don't think any vote can be said to be a "no vote".

I agree that FZ's logic there is inconsistent.

What do you suspect of FZ? Do you think she is a lemon or Chick?

fingersplints wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I'm telling you Splints is the way to go. I just know it. I'm more convinced than ever now. She hasn't even come in to fight.
there is nothing to fight against. because of all the info dropping and role claiming I have to be bad. it's wrong, but there isn't much I can say to defend myself.

Who is info-dropping and role-claiming? (Yes I know you're dead). It's rather obvious that BR is Lizzie now, and not because she said so.

And based on her role, she could not have information on you anyway.

Long Con wrote:Sorry I missed the vote guys, I had to work tonight and forgot to vote early. I would have voted fingersplints, and I'm not surprised she was a baddie!

Same story here, just happened to get home in time to vote.

Snow Dog wrote:Thoughts MM?

Sorry, I've been rather busy, but I've got free time tomorrow to discuss.

I'm voting fingers. I'm still wary of LC, but fingers looks like the only choice right now.

Addendum, I do not agree. I've also had a fairly civ read on DF this game.

Long Con wrote:I have not been contacted by Sally at all, so I would imagine she's been dead for a while... but again, if anyone can suggest otherwise, that would be a welcome thing to hear.

My vote will go to DFaraday today, for being Chick Hicks. Here's why:

- If you assume (as I do) that MP07 was a baddie, then it was DF who was targeted, and survived, on Night 1.
- I figured that meant he's Lightning McQueen, and that's why I have said that I trust him for a while now.
- Ambray was just lynched as Lightning McQueen, so DF survived for some other reason. I think that Chick Hicks can survive a nightkill in his Secret, and that's hat happened on Night 1.

Or Ambray was a seemer and we were all actually right. That's not a possibility I see you accidentally forgetting.

My belief was that MP is Lightning, and I think there is good enough reason to believe it.

Tink wrote:Long Con has to be Professor Z.

Why do you say so?

RIP Dom. I hope Chick made the right choice there.

According to the player list, you are dead, Boogs is alive, and I don't even exist.

FZ. wrote:RIP Ambray
I'm really sorry you got lynched, and I'm really sorry the civvies didn't change the votes after what I said.

There are 7 players left. It's Chicks Hicks' turn to kill tonight. The way I see it, there may be only 3 civvies still alive at this point. Chicks, if you kill a civ tonight, you lose because the lemons might become the majority and lynch you next day and win the game. If you stand to have some chance, it's if you try and kill a baddie tonight. The civvies only know about themselves, but the baddies know about all team, so the chances of getting you are higher.

There are nine players left.

RIP Ambray, sorry about that.

I thought I was in before the deadline.

I can't seem to change my vote.

FZ. wrote:Out of 10 players left, one being Ambray herself, 6 already voted Ambray and 3 haven't voted yet. Since I know I'm not a baddie, I have to wonder about this.
There are 3 options here:
1. This is a set up and Ambray is a civ
2. Since a baddie looks to be going down, one of team is bandwagoning, and if so, it's probably one of the last voters
3. Splints and Tink are the remaining baddies with Ambray.

# 3 seems the least likely. I doubt Splints is a lemon after how the last lynch went through. Not sure about Tink though. Someone said SImon vouched for TInk which would probably make them have BTSC. If that's true, then what happened to Made and SnowDog?
So I wonder if it's the first option or the second. I think BR isn't a baddie with MR because he was one of the first to vote him. So I'm at a loss

I agree with these ideas generally, but I don't have time to expound on that. In the waiting room at the eye doctor.

Just wanted to pop in and say I'm leaving my vote where it is.

I'm voting Ambray for now for observational purposes.

DFaraday wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:Now, I assume that if LC is a baddie too, he's not on MR's team...duh

Question is, who among those who voted for LC was trying to save MR.

Why do you think they are not on a team? I think it is still plausible.

If so, the baddies didn't try very hard to steer the lynch away from their two teammates. I'm guessing whatever baddies are left are some combination of Tink, Ambray, and maybe Dom.

I don't buy it, not for Tink anyway. MR followed her vote twice early one, both on Snow Dog, and Tink voted MR on Day 4 in a situation you would not expect a baddie to vote their partner.

FZ. wrote:Now, I assume that if LC is a baddie too, he's not on MR's team...duh

Question is, who among those who voted for LC was trying to save MR.

Why do you think they are not on a team? I think it is still plausible.

Dom wrote:He was civvie.

Did I say otherwise?

Dom wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dom wrote:
FZ. wrote:Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?
I believe he wanted MP and I to fight each other in the thread.
llama did that with you and I once, and he was civ.

Not to say that LC is civ. His continued suspicion of a dead player doesn't make sense to me.
what do yo mean????

Remember in the Hobbit when llama continued to pester you and I to fight each other?

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:LC, if not you, who would want me and MP to fight each other in thread?
I don't know, Dom. MP is dead, so you don't have to worry about getting into a fight anymore, I guess. When were you fighting?

I am confused as hell.

Dom wrote:
FZ. wrote:Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?
I believe he wanted MP and I to fight each other in the thread.

llama did that with you and I once, and he was civ.

Not to say that LC is civ. His continued suspicion of a dead player doesn't make sense to me.

Snow Dog, who are your suspicions when you are sobering?

Oops, never mind. He was killed by Grem, not Hicks.

Oh, and what was your read on BWT?

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other
How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?
Why didn't you answer my question?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Okay, time to started reading some thread content. Any pointers y'all can give me to start off?
Sorry, wrapping gifts with my lady right now, just got off work and having some drinks as well. Dom's thing was about me, so I responded; I didn't feel like going back and getting a recap set up for you.

There's been a lot of lynched Civvies. Could be some Chick Hicks killed baddies, if we're lucky. I personally believed MP to be a baddie.

I'll have to take a look at MP. Personally, I'm thinking he was McQueen from my skim through, but that's with some unanswered questions.

But for now, bed.

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other
How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Why didn't you answer my question?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Okay, time to started reading some thread content. Any pointers y'all can give me to start off?

I'm voting BR for now. Just a gut feeling. Many short brief posts, and her pursuit of others looks very timid, for example...

Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?
Oh, well, I guess the only time I voted him was N2, so "again" doesn't make sense.

I will be voting him tomorrow based on my suspicion that has persisted. Better wording now. Lol.
Sorry, had to call you on that as you switched your vote off him and never switched back. I think the best possibility for LC is Chick Hicks. That is just throwing out ideas.

Apologizing for calling MP out on an inconsistency. Why apologize?

Where's everyone else at today?

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:WElocome bask soy guys..younpeoplw
I can't tell if you're insanified or drfunk.

I wouldn't mind being Dr. Funk.

Okay, time to started reading some thread content. Any pointers y'all can give me to start off?

FZ. wrote:Hello. Did you miss me?
So, anyone care to give me the cliff notes?

I can't. I'm fresh out of the womb just like you.

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