The Syndicate

I do blame DDL. So cruel.

That was the only reason I didn't want to be lynched. Just wanted to keep my unlynched streak intact. But I didn't want to influence the game by saying as much.

I wonder if any of the Syndicate regulars was a mafia member if they would have nightkilled me. With three players from RYM as mafia, maybe they are not so used to role-hinting. Outing is very common practice there, so hint-dropping is utilized less.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Your messages were inspired, G-Man. Not sure how I couldn't tell they were from you earlier!

Awesome stuff, as always, Rico.

Hey, so now both Rico and Golden are at a win % of 57.14% (4 out of 7 games), right behind Nevinera's 63.64%.
Here's a little fun fact. I am the only person on the Syndicate to be lynched on Day 1 and still win in a game (Biblical Mafia).

Technically Golden did the same in Economics, but he replaced back in to a different role.
The Metalmarsh Phenomenon.

Wanna hear another one?

This was my 13th speed game on this site. I've been a civilian in every single one, and this is the first time I've been lynched of those thirteen games.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Your messages were inspired, G-Man. Not sure how I couldn't tell they were from you earlier!

Awesome stuff, as always, Rico.

Hey, so now both Rico and Golden are at a win % of 57.14% (4 out of 7 games), right behind Nevinera's 63.64%.

Here's a little fun fact. I am the only person on the Syndicate to be lynched on Day 1 and still win in a game (Biblical Mafia).

Technically Golden did the same in Economics, but he replaced back in to a different role.

I played a pretty shitty game. Too bad the civvies had to depend on a guy who had no chance of winning in the end.

Epignosis wrote:I am pleased that everyone who hinted lost.

I warn people not to do that shit. People do it anyway. And I don't have to lift a finger against them.

You didn't warn me.

Ricochet wrote:I deeply apologize to MM and DDL for being forced to deliberately target them for my last two lynches. Win con stuff. No hard feelings, I hope.

linki: G-Man was the first civ to target Russ.

I'm confused, how was I targeted?

Rezz please.

Oh, I am. Bye!

Am I dead?

Have fun in Day 10.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ugh I hate RNG.

Do you think a clean lynch of me will produce a better result?

If so, then just vote for me.

Could I convince you to vote Russ and let the fates decide?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Would it help if I pointed out this post I made to Scotty just before his death?
Maybe. It's very subjective. You mean you were implying that he'd die in the night?

At this point, I might as well vote MM for self-defense, since I'm leaving soon. And also because Occam's Razor demands it. I just don't feel like voting anyone else before MM.

I really do think you are Moloch. I just know it's impossible to lynch you today.

I voted Russ. I'll leave it to you two, but I'll be around to chat.

Would it help if I pointed out this post I made to Scotty just before his death?

I feel like I've offered you plenty of evidence DDL. Let's be hypothetical for a second and assume I am civilian.

What happens tomorrow? Who do you lynch tomorrow?

Ricochet wrote:Well then what do we do? Voting DDL won't result in his lynch. I don't have any real basis to vote Russ or Made.

Do you think Moloch will grant you the night kill, instead of exterminating one of those who might hunt him down for good on the last day? I know it's slightly selfish, but I don't want to die simply because Moloch won't grant either of us our partial requirement for winning (you being nk'd, me being alive).

linki: I also thought he actively avoided Rorschach out of fear of death, but then he said in a rebuttal what he said earlier, that he looking out for Rorschach's win con.

I honestly don't care about winning anymore. I've probably done enough damage this game as it is.

But I still don't want to be lynched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Why would you care about Rorscharch winning? Your wincon is already hard enough as it is.

It's one lynch and my vote was worthless since I was the only voter left. It didn't matter where I voted anyway.

Ricochet wrote:I really have a problem, MM, with you waking up to claim Comedian with "three minutes to midnight" (reference intended) to go. Even if I'm to believe you, why didn't you do anything about it (i.e. getting night killed) during the previous seven Nights?

linki @MM: do you still have a plan to vote for me? I can't commit to voting DDL, if you and him will then push me into a tie, since I strongly suspect one of you of being Moloch.

We've only just reached the point in the game where that strategy would work, since we've only had one baddie left for a very short time. Had I thought of that strategy sooner, I don't think it would have worked anyway.

I also thought G-Man was the one.

Ricochet wrote:I really have a problem, MM, with you waking up to claim Comedian with "three minutes to midnight" (reference intended) to go. Even if I'm to believe you, why didn't you do anything about it (i.e. getting night killed) during the previous seven Nights?

linki @MM: do you still have a plan to vote for me? I can't commit to voting DDL, if you and him will then push me into a tie, since I strongly suspect one of you of being Moloch.

No I don't plan on voting for you. That would be suicide to be honest.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:For all it's worth, you replied to my question pretty fast. It seems you had already thought of those posts before.

I know they were there. I've got a pretty good memory of what I have posted this game that's been game-related.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Anything else? I mean, I think you played a game that would help you avoid suspicions, but would also prevent mafia from wanting to kill you. Do you disagree with that?

Yes I have played a game to avoid suspicion, because I wanted to be nightkilled. But I also was not an avid mafia-hunter because I didn't want mafia to be killed too quickly, or I'd lose the chances to be nightkilled.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was at least one time where you voted to avoid entering Rorscrach's list. Why would you do that if you wanted to be NK'd?

That honestly did not cross my mind until just recently. I spent all of my thoughts regarding the mafia or Moloch to nightkill me, I forgot about that possibility.

Also, I did not vote off the wagon to avoid being nightkilled. I did it just to give Rorschach a more likely chance of winning. I think llama is Rorschach though, so it may not have mattered either way. The way he played on Day 1 matched the tenacity of a player who wanted to lynch all three mafia in the first three days.

What's the deal Ricochet and DDL? Do you believe me or not?

Do either of you plan on voting for me?

Ricochet wrote:Made just voted, which means DDL cannot be lynched today.

Nor you, for that matter.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm in a kind of complicated situation too. People seem to be divided between MM and me. I'm not sure whether I want to vote MM or not. But I won't be here by the end of the phase to throw a possible self defense vote, I'll go out with my family about 1 hour before.

Well I don't have any chance of lynching you now.

The best I can do is make a case on Russti or Made. But Made does not seem bad to me at all. Russti's vote today on the other hand feels less sincere.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:MM, any other things you have done in this game with the intent of being night killed?

Do you think the way you played would increase the chance of you being killed? How?

You want to be the comedian, show your game is consistent with that.

I was a bit pleased when Scotty was nightkilled on Night 1, since he was hounding me all of Day 1.

I was a bit worried upon his return.

I seem to be in quite the pickle now.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: remember that thing where I said I won something in the Day 0 poll? That was a lie.
Why did you lie, MM?

Because I wanted to be nightkilled.

Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
Ricochet wrote:@Made: Basically saying "the person who acted the civviest among us must be the indy who blended all along" or "the person who hunted must be the indy who has taken the lead in such activities". I don't know if it's actual reverse psychology, but that's how I've been putting it.

As for your criteria, I haven't stopped baddie hunting and haven't changed anything in my play. Moloch is bad for me and I've had him plenty of times in mind when hunting, not just now. So I wouldn't say I fit the bill.

Why were you going to save theories for "tomorrow", though? Won't the game end today if we catch Moloch?

linki: I think this is G-Man's last spreadsheet.

Then we'd have a full day to look for a change rather than a partial day

But someone gets lynched and someone gets nightkilled (perhaps), and then there are only three players left. Why give Moloch that chance?

That's why I said it now, duh.

Ok.

Made wrote:
Ricochet wrote:@Made: Basically saying "the person who acted the civviest among us must be the indy who blended all along" or "the person who hunted must be the indy who has taken the lead in such activities". I don't know if it's actual reverse psychology, but that's how I've been putting it.

As for your criteria, I haven't stopped baddie hunting and haven't changed anything in my play. Moloch is bad for me and I've had him plenty of times in mind when hunting, not just now. So I wouldn't say I fit the bill.

Why were you going to save theories for "tomorrow", though? Won't the game end today if we catch Moloch?

linki: I think this is G-Man's last spreadsheet.

Then we'd have a full day to look for a change rather than a partial day

But someone gets lynched and someone gets nightkilled (perhaps), and then there are only three players left. Why give Moloch that chance?

Ricochet wrote:Why were you going to save theories for "tomorrow", though? Won't the game end today if we catch Moloch?

That is a good question. I think we should play it that way.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Going to work soon....can someone please explain what is meant by "reverse psychology" i don't understand how it's being used. Are we just describing someone who is baddie hunting?

Also guys, I was going to save this theory for tomorrow, but I'll play it now. We can expect a drastic change in play for the indie today and here's why: previously, the indie could genuinely baddie hunt because they needed bf and his crew dead just like how we did. Today is different because they no longer have a target, but we do. I'd expect consistancy from all players but the indie, and after rereading mm, I think that's where I want to put my vote as of now. Going to re-read Rico too because I think he might fit that bill too.
You're doing it wrong. I'm not Moloch.

Russti fits your theory more than I do to be honest.

But still, I would imagine Moloch to at least try to baddie-hunt like everyone else. It's just a question of how genuine.

Made wrote:Going to work soon....can someone please explain what is meant by "reverse psychology" i don't understand how it's being used. Are we just describing someone who is baddie hunting?

Also guys, I was going to save this theory for tomorrow, but I'll play it now. We can expect a drastic change in play for the indie today and here's why: previously, the indie could genuinely baddie hunt because they needed bf and his crew dead just like how we did. Today is different because they no longer have a target, but we do. I'd expect consistancy from all players but the indie, and after rereading mm, I think that's where I want to put my vote as of now. Going to re-read Rico too because I think he might fit that bill too.

You're doing it wrong. I'm not Moloch.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Well, there's nothing I can do about that, unless I want to risk a modkill.

Honestly, I won't mind if you drop this and go back to reading me the way you were. That's better than the possibility of people suspecting me because I tried to pull a failed gambit or something like that.

I kinda wish people would go back and reread me too. It's not like my entire game-read should be based on a single comment I made on Night 8 and whether players believe it or not.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am to confused to believe what is going on right now.
wut
I don't understand this roleclaim you are talking about, and so I don't have reason to believe that it happened.
But DDL just confirmed he did.

LoRab also commented on it that day.

Oh no wonder, I was looking at Night 7/Day 8, not Night 6/Day 7.

I guess it makes sense. Well that narrows things down.

Made wrote:I mean actually tho, accusatory comments at night are like the easiest way to be night killed.

I know, right? My tinfoil hat theory is that Ricochet is just trying to spite me.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am to confused to believe what is going on right now.
wut

I don't understand this roleclaim you are talking about, and so I don't have reason to believe that it happened.

EWBOP: too

I am to confused to believe what is going on right now.

I don't see it.

He did? I must have missed it.

I'll look into it.

Ricochet wrote:In fact, why don't you suspect DDL for the same profiling on Moloch you said you look for: "active baddie-hunting"?

linki: I think so, too. The player who sends messages at Night never suspecting himself doesn't strike me a rule. Considering Bernard was very vast in his suspicions, why would he risk being read by never adding himself on the list?

He was my prime suspect until today. Then I thought that he was probably Bernard.

But after his comment that he thought you were Bernard, I guess I will have to re-reconsider. I don't see him assigning a role that he would have to you, especially since he suspected just the other day.

G-Man may have been Bernard. That might explain why he bet his mafia reputation on Elohcin being a civilian. Just a thought.

Russtifinko wrote:Holy fuck. I shocked Cookie was bad. Scotty I am glad you were able to convince me, but sorry it was too late for you.

People have brought up how to hunt Moloch. I agree with some analysis posted before, and clearly it seems Moloch would want to try to hunt baddies with the best of them. Then again, I could understand a quieter one too. Ugh I wish I wasn't so busy on Saturday, I think the next lynch will be pretty important

But then there is this very noncommittal post from Russti. His primary thoughts with regards to Moloch is that he agrees with my description, that Moloch would be an active scumhunter (before waffling on the idea). But then Russti votes for me today, who has not been an active scumhunter. I do think I am the easiest lynch target today, and I think everyone would agree with that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Why Rico, MM?

Honestly I was believing Rico was Bernard, because until last night he was the only living person that had never appeared in Bernard's messages... until he did this night.

There is Ricochet's vote record I pointed out a few days ago. Since I'd pointed that out, he has coincidentally voted for lynched players since that time.

He fits the description of an active baddie-hunter, which I believed Moloch to be.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Why Rico, MM?

Honestly I was believing Rico was Bernard, because until last night he was the only living person that had never appeared in Bernard's messages... until he did this night.

I was thinking you were Bernard after last night's message.

Oh, and I will not be voting for Metalmarsh89 today either.

I will not be voting Dragon or Made today.

So for me, it comes down to Ricochet or Russti. Probably Rico though.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Yeah MM is the strongest baddie read I have right now. All the other three would need to have played a very strong game to be bad.

The soft Comedian claim makes me doubt it too. I think it would be a somewhat risky play, since a comedian flip, or the comedian being alive, or someone knowing his role, could spell insta-death for MM. Then again, the probability of the comedian being dead for a long time is pretty high. For all we know, he could be llama. And MM could have made a gambit on that possibility, knowing he was pretty high on everyone's scumlists so he needed a way to avoid the lynch.

If he is Moloch, he might have killed G-Man in order to avoid giving us an useful name (which would make us lynch MM on D10 after that name flipped town on D9).

If he is the comedian though, the play from yesterday is easily explained as a desperate play from someone whose chances of fulfilling his wincon are near zero at this point. I wonder why the real Moloch didn't bite it though, I'd be afraid of MM having actual info if I were him.

The way I see it, it is probably a setup to lynch me today (which so far is working).

This may sound like a weird thing to say, but it is possible that Rorschach is still alive and he's the one who killed G-Man. Maybe I should have put myself on Rorschach's list.

Linki: remember that thing where I said I won something in the Day 0 poll? That was a lie.

EWBOP: G-Man was silenced Night 7 for the Day 8 phase.

Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: If I am still alive tomorrow (and someone else is nightkilled), I will do everything in my power to get you lynched Moloch. The floor is yours.
Talk.

I thought it was G-Man. Nobody was nightkilled Night 6 (but Big Figure silenced someone). G-Man was silenced Night 7 for the Day 9 phase. Cookie also voted for G-Man the same day, meaning she silenced him with the intent of getting him lynched. Then, G-Man proposed that Moloch has a night protection. I thought this all added up to G-Man being Moloch.

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