The Syndicate

is that really everyone who's still alive from cerberus? wow

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] why do you think spacedaisy is more likely to be even than Scotty?

do you think the details in the rule lists implying changes in alignment after death are just red herrings?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:28 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:13 pm Boomslang, insertnamehere, Kylemii, Scotty, Sloonei, and Spacedaisy.

One of these right here had to have killed Scotty.

If you are voting Scotty, which one of these names killed Scotty Night 2?

Less than two hours ago.

oh. it wasn't addressed to me so i thought you were just asking everyone in general

from that list i'd have to say inh or boomslang

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:16 am3. Why have you not applied the thinking that someone has turned to any other person who has been Night killed until now?

oh i see.

basically cus it's never actually been relevant. Scotty being in the pool of suspects for sprityo's killer means there's potential for him to be on the evil evens, the fact that he was killed by the evens reduces the probability that his first role was even stevens, but the chance that his second role is remains.

The same thing is potentially true for all players who've died once, but it hasn't been relevant for other players because of how the lynches have gone.

*sigh*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 amWho is the Cerberus member who killed Scotty Night 2?

give me a list of what players originated on cerberus that are still alive and we can talk about it. i don't remember everyone who was there other than like.... Scotty, and Sloonei.

Why aren't you hunting for that Cerberus member?

im not interested in doing everything all at once, I mostly just want to solve this garbage fire, drawing that connection hadn't even occurred to me until you mentioned it. if scotty became an even in his second life after being killed by the evens then it makes logical sense that one of the members of his tribe must have been an even

And why have you not applied this thinking to any other person who has been Night killed heretofore?

i don't understand this question, you asked me to analyze the kill

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:58 pm I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

No interest in a civilian win. If you are good, your priority should be making your ideas and opinions clear. You have not done that. You have said the most obscure shit I've ever seen in Mafia.

You are bad.

And if you aren't bad, it still won't be Scotty lynched. It will be Spacedaisy.

This is the kind of attitude that makes me okay with dying.

A win will happen with or without me being alive for it. If I need to die to prove that Scotty is the one who killed sprityo then that's okay. That's an acceptable and pragmatic sacrifice, and ultimately better for my mental health than pounding my head against a brick wall which is seemingly the only alternative.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:53 pmScotty stayed in Cerberus until the button was pushed. Like everybody else there. Him getting killed didn't usher him on to Pikachu, as your comma implies.

"Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever"

What does "Scotty becomes Cerberus" even mean?

jesus fuck dude

i think you can figure out based on context that I meant Scotty becomes an evil even.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:51 pmI also think you are the Pika2 killer by process of elimination. And I'm not sure I buy that you didn't think there would be any potentially information-gathering roles in a 40+ role madness Game of Champions.

name one other info role we've seen

I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 pm @Epignosis please chill out.

your question was ambiguous, that's not my fault.

Which question was ambiguous?

The one where I asked "Who killed Scotty Night 2?"

yea

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 pmWhat in the hell are you going on about?

A Cerberus member killed Scotty Night 2, not NIght 1.

okay.

Scotty stayed Cerberus.

Scotty definitelt moved to Pikachu. You already know this.

He moved to Pikachu along with others in accordance with the first button push.

are you okay?

Who is the original Cerberus member?

dude I don't remember what players were in which tribes at the start it's been like 3 weeks

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] please chill out.

your question was ambiguous, that's not my fault.

my phone died while I was responding to this I'll summarize

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:57 pmBecause if you're trying to understand why I might be treating a certain player a certain way, there should be some level of consideration into that player's position in the game: what the source of my treatment of them is, how they might be treating me, and also maybe what their alignment is. You seemed to just jump from"Sloonei is acting weird toward Spacedaisy" to "Lynch Sloonei". I suppose it's less to do with the specifics, and more about a perceived lack of critical examination on your part of the merits of the case you were making.

ok I guess I see where you're coming from but please remember that this has been a 2 month long game with 0 precedent for info roles. my assumption has been that there weren't any, I don't automatically assume that any player who has a town read on another player could have mechanical information on that player. It didn't even cross my mind until Quin's comment

Like I said before, it seemed as if you might just be looking to work your way onto the bandwagon, rather than trying to suss out the best possible vote.

I think you might have a problem with confirmation bias here. I think you assume because you know something that it should be obvious to everyone else, but that's not the case. My reasons for suspecting you were legitimate despite the conclusion they drew me to seemingly being likely wrong. You did the same thing in fiddler.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

"Better paths to search?"

What?

"But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess"

What?

it's math, Epignosis.

Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

"Better paths to search?"

What?

"But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess"

What?

it's math, Epignosis.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:51 pm And since I'm bombarding you with questions, what is your take on Kylemii?

Eh. I feel like the dude's playstyle is at odds with other people's playstyle, and that's causing him a lot of grief. I don't really scumread him, but I'm not gonna really defend him all too much. I find Kyle hard to read, and nothing he's said, or any point made against him is enough to break past my own self-doubt when it comes to him.

what part of my playstyle puts me at odds with others styles

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:45 pm i'm in full-on fuck-it i'm-gonna-probably-be-lynched-but-at-least-i'll-be-hella-smug-when-i'm-right mode

hell yeah

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:06 pmHe denied that Daisy's alignment matterer at all, despite claiming to be profoundly concerned with my treatment of her.

It didn't. Am I missing something? Explain how it did. Why are you still so adamant on this point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:41 pm I'm also going to call attention to the shift in kyle's attitude from yesterday to today. Yesterday he prioritized self-preservation in his vote for me:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:02 pm voting for [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for self preservation I guess, and also in the hopes that he's the pika2 killer

Today he is willing to play the sacrificial lamb:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:10 am i don't mind going first if it's necessary for PiE

the difference is that then my life would have used up two lynches to narrow things down from 4 to 3. Narrowing things down from 2 to 1 is mathematically better and more acceptable. I don't mind dying if it's as a stepping stone to victory.

I also still have unanswered questions about the actual motivation for his vote yesterday. When it came time to place it, he emphasized self-preservation and a vague prayer about my potential badness (yuck). But he also spent some time picking up on one particular talking point about me and framing it negatively. We had a lengthy exchange about this after the day, but I never got a clear sense of whether he was actually suspicious of me at the time of his vote. It seemed to me like he wanted there to be justification for his inevitable sloonei vote, but has been unable to produce any.

If you have new questions then you should ask them, I already answered everything you've questioned.

you act as if there should have never been any reason for you to be considered suspicious. sloonei, my survival and well-being in this game hinged on me ideally finding the pika2 killer and lynching them instead of me. the only tools in my toolbox were my subpar case-making skills and the knowledge that it was probably you or scotty.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:33 pmWhat do you think of Boomslang, Kyle? Enough about me and you for now

idk dude I've mostly been focused on the pika2 thing recently. boomslang's behavior and treatment of sig(?) irked me early on in cerberus before the merge. I could see him being one of the remaining badboys

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

already explained this. you were instrumental in lynching Nutella and LC, Sloonei is unlikely to have used his role in a nefarious way, and spacedaisy is less likely to be even by extension. That leaves Scotty

By extension of what?

extension of sloonei's role and their mutual trust, in addition to some other things that have happened

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:59 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Sounds good!

i dont really understand what your plan is for after I flip, aren't you just going to die the next phase? how does this benefit you at all

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

already explained this. you were instrumental in lynching Nutella and LC, Sloonei is unlikely to have used his role in a nefarious way, and spacedaisy is less likely to be even by extension. That leaves Scotty

uh.... what is The Math. Has anyone done The Math recently

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

that being said, aubergine [VOTE: Scooty] aubergine

i don't mind going first if it's necessary for PiE

we've got one Even Steven narrowed down to a small group of people and then beyond that there can't be more than like... 2 Strex Armstrongs and Even Stevens left in total... right? compared to 12 living players?

I have confidence that this game can result in a win without me being part of it, so I don't really mind being a broken egg in the process of omelet creation, if it's necessary.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:47 pm I’d even be willing to agree that if we lynch Kyle all the way and he’s not bad, lynch me next to clear the PoE. But not me before Kyle kthnx

that's my line 0:

the*

oh did you mean to opposite thing

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:16 pmTruth is, we are looking at a game with probably 2 civs left, maybe 3.

hey what??

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pmIf we don’t go Pika2 route tomorrow again (I like the name Kyle)

thank you, it's good cus it rhymes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:00 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:48 am it literally says right there in the post you quoted that the thing that bugged me was the discrepancy in your treatment of Scooty and SD

Yes. I know. My point is that I still don't see why this was suspicious in the first place. You're just saying that it bugs you. I don't know why.

And I'm trying to understand why you voted for me beyond self-preservation. I'm struggling. You've referenced this, and you've referenced that you felt vaguely bad about me, but then you've also said that you were just trying to dispute my claims about my behavior needing to be civilian-indicative. I'm not sure what your thought process was at the end of this last day phase.

was I genuinely suspicious, or was I not? what were the reasons one way or the other?

when i see people propping themselves up on faulty arguments it irks my buttons. it looks bad. that's what i saw happening with you. you were saying "I would only do ____ things as a civ and never as a mafia" even though there was still clear benefit to doing those things as mafia. it wasn't the fact that you did the things at all but the fact that you insisted that they were things only a civ Sloonei would do that irked me, along with the contradictions in your treatment of Scotty versus Sloonei in your PoE list. I thought your dismissing SD from any possibility of being sprityo's killer despite her being basically in the same category as Scotty was contradictory and a sign of you not caring about the roof at best, and opportunism at worst. the possibility of SD being removed from your pool because of background knowledge didn't occur to me until like 10 minutes before the end of day.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:03 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:56 am okay

so like are you done now or do you want to keep typing at me

I should be done, it's 3 AM and I'm very tired.

sorry for getting all fired up at you. It's more just vengeful excitement than anything else, and I feel like I needed to inject some emotion into my gameplay and you're the nearest target.

I also really do not know what you were thinking though, and anything you can do (now or later) to clarify that would make my time reading you a lot easier.

it's really okay and emotions are fine i guess

its good that you're finding a way to be involved again even if it's kind of inconvenient for me

I legit thought you were a good candidate for being the pika2 killer so I pushed that option. maybe i was a little too driven by the fact that if i didnt manage to figure out who it was asap then I was the most likely to get chopped off the PoE chopping block. maybe that led me to what I now see was probably a wrong conclusion or whatever. Its not the first time it's happened and it probably won't be the last.

okay

so like are you done now or do you want to keep typing at me

it literally says right there in the post you quoted that the thing that bugged me was the discrepancy in your treatment of Scooty and SD

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:31 am Kyle, I am increasingly ready to lynch you. Your arguments make no logical sense to me. Why would Sloonei include himself in considering who his personal PoE pool has been limited to? That was what Sloonei was doing, not posturing, he was the playing the game. Neither Civ nor mafia in their right mind would ever include themselves as possibly being a contender in their own personal PoE pool of suspects.

that's not what im saying at all

obviously sloonei didn't need to include himself in his own PoE. I was saying that Sloonei avoided being in the PoE pool in general by jumping in and leading the charge on the whole PoE thing early and pushing specific narratives so that he was out of the firing line. Wilgy was lynched because of Sloonei's PoE. Scotty and I were put into the fire because of Sloonei's PoE etc etc etc.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:13 amI think mafia members are inherently inclined to give reads that they don't believe in, and thus are more likely to tell lies, yes.

in what scenario would a mafia member ever lie about a town read, barring the scenario where the read in question were their teammate? by definition mafia members are almost always telling the truth about their town reads.

I see possible scenarios where a mafia member can earnestly town read a player. But I don't see how you could have arrived at a suspicion of me based on a behavior of mine without any consideration of its level of authenticity.

sloonei you were citing your specific behaviors as being purely indicative of civ alignment and they weren't so I disputed it directly because i was putting your level of authenticity into question. that was kind of the whole point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:42 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:02 pm voting for [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for self preservation I guess, and also in the hopes that he's the pika2 killer

what the hell was your read on me?

I was fairly convinced there was a good chance you were bad up until quin posted something about having an idea what was going on between you and SD that made me think you might have been masons or something. i was getting ready to suggest a cfd on like a 3rd player or something but there wasn't enough time left.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pmhhhhfuck

this was the actual moment it hit me

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:03 pmI'm talking about your argument which is based on my treatment of daisy but which gives no consideration to why I might honestly town read her.

your being honest or dishonest ... has very little bearing on anything.

That's... that's what this game is about. what?

...no? do you think that mafia members only exclusively tell lies about their reads?

do you see no possible variation of events where you would ever townread a player while being a mafia member

you clipped out the context, that was specifically referring to your level of honesty re: your read on SD.

i'm glad that "pika2 killer" has caught on

i think we should start calling the mafia teams "the Strex Armstrongs" and "Even Stevens"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:03 pmI'm talking about your argument which is based on my treatment of daisy but which gives no consideration to why I might honestly town read her.

your being honest or dishonest ... has very little bearing on anything.

That's... that's what this game is about. what?

...no? do you think that mafia members only exclusively tell lies about their reads?

do you see no possible variation of events where you would ever townread a player while being a mafia member

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:06 am what does this even mean and where am I guilty of doing it?

you postured yourself so you were never in the PoE pool by putting 3 players as lynch priorities,

this is no longer important.

I find it disconcerting that I've been the only one speculating about the possibility of cross-tribe kills. I don't currently believe that it was in play, but we don't know that it wasn't. I'm going to bring that up 100 times out of 100. Also this is a convoluted plan and bad sloon would have just not said "Hey, we still don't know who killed sprit" after wilgy flipped strex when no one else seemed to want to acknowledge that fact.

what?

I wanted to get people to consider my motives because I felt I was being tunneled. I'm vindicated now, right? we can accept that I was being tunneled and that lynch was an errant one, can't we? I was trying to push people off of me. I was hoping others might arrive at the civilian indicators in my behavior if I guided them there. You misconstrued these actions to justify a vote for me, it seems. I get self-preservation, but you pursued me in a way that I'm not sure I like.

your motivations re: spacedaisy only make sense now with the context of your role, there was no reason to believe that was the case prior to the flip. we hadn't seen any pseudo info type roles so i was under the impression that there just wasn't anything like that in this setup.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:17 am"Potentially self-serving... shouldn't be a reason to trust him." It seemed more like you were denying any potential for good-doing on my behalf because my actions were "potentially self-serving". First off, all my actions are self-serving. Second, of course there's potential for nefariousness in things. But there's also potential for honesty in those same things. My beef with you here, which I was desperately trying to get across while also running around at work, was that you seemed to be turning a completely blind eye toward the other side of this argument. I don't see you leaving the door open at all to consider that I wasn't doing the things you were accusing me of, and that you were even willfully ignoring the points which would work against you (ie, my town read on Daisy).

i wasn't accusing you of being bad for doing the things you did, I was explaining why your explanation for how you couldn't possibly be bad because you were accusing some players more than others was faulty.

Yeah, see? This is bullshit. For one, Scotty is one of my top town reads, which is the reason I've been so damn conflicted about this whole thing for the last week. But I'm not certain about him, so he's not someone I felt comfortable dismissing right away. And then you go on to deny the relevance of my read on Daisy to your read on me. It seems like it should be a central aspect to all of this, but you're just denying that it means much of anything here and continuing to push forward with the one-sided view of me. Either you are trapped in a tunnel due to circumstances, or you're bad and trying to force a justification for the vote you know you need to put on me.

Ok but see? don't you see the contradiction there? spacedaisy were both top town reads for you but you ONLY considered the possibilities of a bad Scotty and never considered the possibilities of a bad spacedaisy.

I don't really understand the insinuation that Spacedaisy's actual alignment should have had a logical direct correlation to yours. my issue with you was related to your treatment of your spacedaisy read in relation to your other reads, not the actual read itself.

again, all of that makes sense in light of current events

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:54 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?

SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.

I have to go to work but I'll answer this in more detail later when I'm off for the day and have had time to review some important details regarding timing and whatnot but right now I'm strongly leaning towards Scotty. like 85%

Well of course you lean that way- if not you then me. Sloonei shouldn’t be lynched tomorrow, and SD looks civ as fuck.

I’m strongly leaning towards you, like 100%.

no. that's not actually it. I mean... yeah the fact that I know I'm innocent informs my decision but it's more than that.

sloonei's flip and his ability in particular puts some things in a different perspective in kind of an important way. I think he's actually much less likely to be mafia, and spacedaisy is... moderately less likely I think? Epignosis is still the least suspect based on his interactions with nut and long con. I know its not me, so that leaves you, with maybe a very niche chance of it being Space Daisy.

Sea Salt is my real name IRL

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?

SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.

I have to go to work but I'll answer this in more detail later when I'm off for the day and have had time to review some important details regarding timing and whatnot but right now I'm strongly leaning towards Scotty. like 85%

sorry give me a minute i might be jumping the gun lol

something important just clicked, but i want to do a little bit of backreading to make sure I'm not just jumping to a wrong conclusion

i..... think.