The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:32 pmKyle is...I dunno what sort of jar of pickled yams Kyle is.

Bread and Butter

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:33 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:28 pm Mac, I'm always glad your instincts are there.

For now my town core is

You
epi
scotty
daisy
Me
(Quin)
(nutella)

And I'd probably be willing to add Kyle, his earnestness over TH seems real.

That's half the players, it's a good place to be at.

Tinfoiling is healthy but PoE works.

I think I agree with most of this list, I'm curious about why epi quin and nutella though

and also scotty?

Do you think quin and nutella vanished themselves?

And scotty because *cough* my entire role is to townfirm him, something I've mentioned before.

i forgot they died x_x

what about epi?

[mention]sig[/mention] did the dead have any theories on who alive might be bad

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:41 pmAlso like I said winning the election gave me the ability to send someone else back, so I assume it's a twist on an already existing power.

you think it's a twist on your power?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:33 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:28 pm Mac, I'm always glad your instincts are there.

For now my town core is

You
epi
scotty
daisy
Me
(Quin)
(nutella)

And I'd probably be willing to add Kyle, his earnestness over TH seems real.

That's half the players, it's a good place to be at.

Tinfoiling is healthy but PoE works.

I think I agree with most of this list, I'm curious about why epi quin and nutella though

and also scotty?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:28 pm Mac, I'm always glad your instincts are there.

For now my town core is

You
epi
scotty
daisy
Me
(Quin)
(nutella)

And I'd probably be willing to add Kyle, his earnestness over TH seems real.

That's half the players, it's a good place to be at.

Tinfoiling is healthy but PoE works.

I think I agree with most of this list, I'm curious about why epi quin and nutella though

i mean obviously it would include tentacle porn right? it's not weird to assert that, it's the ocean. it's basically the default.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:23 pmlinki: You believe the sex cave?

it isn't an actual sex cave but there has been some discussion of christmas themed spongebob fanfiction featuring tentacle porn

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:26 amSure- I’m out skydiving at the moment (omg) so I’m out of pocket most of today!

what the fuck dude don't text while you're skydiving that's worse than texting while driving

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:05 ammy computer pukes every time i get @ mentioned so please just quote me each time instead, thanks, also kylemii is my best friend and i appreciate his effort to be sensitive towards my computer problems

epi if u get the thing what are the chances tomorrow ends in a mafia lynch? more or less than regular?

wait do you think the polls do nothing at all unless the person who sent in the time period wins them? why would that be a thing

golden what's ur confidence rating on ur idea resulting in a mafia lynch day 3? scale of 1-10

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:11 am Everybody in this game trusts everybody. It’s kinda pleasant.

do you think there's a player who should specifically be trusted less

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] a/s/l?

*jokingly makes this post in the signups thread*

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:21 pmlet's get this game started so I can bus turnip head

*instead ends up mix-masoned with him and fighting for his dumb wincon to happen*

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:31 pmWell firstly, “Becoming unlynchable” = “a crazy game winning power”.

I’m not saying we lose the game if TH gets his way. But there are plenty of ways things can go south if he’s lying, even if it’s not unlynchable. The hurricane in U-Pick for example. I’m sure all of who you have played a zillion games can think of others.

do you think that's realistic? you have a similar role charging technique, do you think predicting 2 elections is worth something that dangerous when it's super easy to

hey guess what i just realized i don't care about this basically at all actually. my whole point in helping turnip head achieve his wincon from the start was to call his bluff in case his weird claim was fake. i still think we should absolutely test his wincon before considering lynching him but it's not really that much of a priority i guess

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:22 pmYou’re totally putting words in my mouth, but ooookay.

i'm really not. mafia turnip head becoming unlynchable after predicting just 2 elections is the only realistic way he lives past the end of day 3. isnt that what you're worried about? what else could go wrong

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:07 pmI think possibly it could mean not dying immediately somehow.

i'm getting kinda tired of arguing this cus turnip head should probably be the one fighting for his own wincon but if you think an indie having a wincon as easy as guessing two elections correctly is unlikely, a mafia member having a crazy game winning power that he only wins after guessing two elections should also seem unlikely.

regardless of whether or not TH is bluffing, giving him his win con takes him off the table as a variable, and gives us the capability to deal with him with confidence.

that's my pitch. Vote Golden for alcohol consumer, 2020.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:07 pmOh, well your way of phrasing that was weird.

i think you just read it wrong lol

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:00 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:57 pm essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

My concern is that he’s not fighting for a wincon, but something else (read: bad). My preference at this point is to ignore him.

what is "something else"? do you think "something else" is something strong enough that it would be worth him dying immediately

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:57 pm essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

I am not dealing with TH's claim by letting him win an item.

If he wanted to successfully guess tonight he should have picked someone other than himself. This is like the part that Daisy opposed strongly, and on this I agree. I'm fine testing his claim, but I'm not electing him to have other advantages. I'd sooner have lynched him yesterday and not tested his claim at all than let him win an item, and for him to think he could win an election under current circumstances is his own fault.

he didn't pick himself (Turnip Head), he picked you (Golden)

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:55 pmWe are going around in circles. You don’t understand me. I don’t understand you. The rest of the game apparently doesn’t give a shit. Oh well.

i understand you i just think my idea is a more practical solution that's eats up fewer resources.

it seems like sig and/or lunalee might have been mafia so it's not super dire if we do end up using a lynch on turnip head just in case, I just think it'd be cool if we didn't have to do that, without it being necessary.

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:44 pm You are constantly jumping at the chance to tell everyone how nice Turbup is and why we should line up to give him a big sloppy kiss. You’re more interested in preserving him than you have been in lynching scum.

you're funny

do you expect me to just drop everything the moment you say you think turnip head is mafia? i've been incredibly clear with my views, we can lynch him if his very easily testable claim turns out to be untrue. I don't understand why you're so opposed to just doing it? just testing his claim? it takes 0 effort to do?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:36 pm th's prediction getting the pip legassi is pro town at the very least in that i think the recipient would be town

What has he promised you in that infernal sex cave to make you his damn press secretary?

im doing this on my own cus it's the practical and humane way to deal with turnip head's claim

Who did TH predict should win? Did he predict someone sensible, or did he predict himself?

he predicted you actually

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:36 pm th's prediction getting the pip legassi is pro town at the very least in that i think the recipient would be town

What has he promised you in that infernal sex cave to make you his damn press secretary?

im doing this on my own cus it's the practical and humane way to deal with turnip head's claim

th's prediction getting the pip legassi is pro town at the very least in that i think the recipient would be town

alright you guys want to test turnip head's shit or just kinda let him flounder on his own and possibly eventually become a complication

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] how many teammates do you have left

lie

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:53 pm hey luna

um

why did you lie just now?

100% lie, and I'm about to demonstrate it.

which one is the like quin or luna?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

OK. You’re not seeing my position and haven’t attempted to do so. I do the same thing as Turnip Head without the super easy wincon. Mechanically, how does it make sense that he wins the game by doing something I am expected to do via my role with better-than-average frequency?

i see your position, trust me, Colin, I've been debating the same exact question since he told me about his shit on day 0, none of these ideas are really new to me. the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter if we think he's telling the truth or not. we don't need to trust him because we can just definitively learn if he's telling the truth as early as real life's tomorrow.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:31 pm kyle who you gonna vote for today

idk probably lunalee, i want to review some shit before night dawn

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:55 pm Tables must be flipped, especially if they are

Spoiler: show

times tables

this is so much better than obscure baseball trivia

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.

if it makes you feel any better you've given me a lot to think about in regards to trusting or not trusting TH.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:46 pm did sig claim to be unlynchable?

Yeah, but he pretty much walked it back under pressure and in the end I think 'unlynchable' was simply code for 'can trigger an event where he vanishes and restarts the day'.

is sig not really dead then?

I see what golden is seeing in lunalee, if sig was mafia then luna makes sense as a teammate

I don't agree with her meta defense, if she were teammates with sig then she would still have to respond to the sig quin inh thing in some way, it was the main topic of conversation for a big chunk of time. avoiding discussing it completely would be weird.

im also realizing i skipped reading like 6 or 7 pages of content at some point whoops

did sig claim to be unlynchable?

nevermind i see she did

has Luna responded to Golden's big post on her yet

okay like..... alternatively what if we just wait and also don't let him get his election predictions

would that be an acceptable compromise or would that just be the worst of both worlds

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:37 pmINH hasn't claimed indy - he's expressly said that he isn't, and honestly I never bought there was any chance it was a deliberate claim. There's a chance he slipped indy, but he's claimed town, and town is what I believe him to be.

I suspect sig because all of his behaviour around Quin's claim looked like a member of the mafia.

Don't attack me for assumptions unless you are willing to have a counterproposal to making assumptions, because it's not like you are presenting any ideas to replace 'assuming sig is mafia' with anything better right now.

I'm not attacking you I just want to make sure we're not making the same mistakes that made us lose in that game. I'm not saying don't make assumptions i just want to make sure they're being made with care. I didn't read the part where inh definitively announced that he was a civ. if that happened then it's reasonable enough to assume that sig was bad

if it seemed like i was attacking you then I apologise, that was never my intent, just due diligence

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:03 amLooking through Luna's iso as a whole, I tend to find that she is team compatible with sig, and that's where my vote is going for now.

how confident are you that sig was mafia?

a long time ago in a galaxy far far away we played a game called phenon 2 that had no flips like this one and we lynched someone early who we assumed was mafia for the rest of the game and made the rest of our decisions based on that assumption and then jay won and was a little smug about it, I'd lke to avoid that. so are you sure about sig

Reasonably confident given Quins info. But what’s your counterproposal to assumptions in a game with no flips?

assumptions are fine if they're backed up by reasoning sure but wasn't the logic behind quins info broken as soon as INH claimed indie? if inh is indie then quins info doesn't say any thing about sigs' alignment at all.

outside of that do you still suspect sig?

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] meet me in the sex cave i have a question for you

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:11 pmany deep personal questions for myself?

do you like breakfast?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:03 amLooking through Luna's iso as a whole, I tend to find that she is team compatible with sig, and that's where my vote is going for now.

how confident are you that sig was mafia?

a long time ago in a galaxy far far away we played a game called phenon 2 that had no flips like this one and we lynched someone early who we assumed was mafia for the rest of the game and made the rest of our decisions based on that assumption and then jay won and was a little smug about it, I'd lke to avoid that. so are you sure about sig