The Syndicate

Wasn’t there some talk of someone being a mason earlier? It couldn’t have been Mac since his role said he couldn’t talk about it.
I don’t remember much of the conversation because I wasn’t familiar with the term.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:05 pm tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:52 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:49 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think we should do about Dom? I don’t know how to read him from such little content. I mean this thread is a lot, but how much time do we give? I don’t want to give someone not posting a free pass either. I don’t know the answer here

I don't hold his disinterest in keeping up with this game against him. I kind of expected that once it became clear he wouldn't make it here until it was already an exploded game.

Likewise I don't give him a pass. He's a candidate to be mafia in that I have no reason to call him a civilian.

I guess we cross the Dom bridge when we get to it.
(As in maybe once all the obvious suspects are gone, before we start turning on the more town reads) I don’t know

@JaggedJimmyJay what do you think we should do about Dom? I don’t know how to read him from such little content. I mean this thread is a lot, but how much time do we give? I don’t want to give someone not posting a free pass either. I don’t know the answer here

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:12 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:44 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:30 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:18 am i think it’s unlikely w!alison works herself into a position where she’s almost surely going to be nk’d though. alison is extremely conscious of her thread position when she wolfs and i can’t really see how she would think making a claim that ensures she’ll either die or effectively be outed of she doesn’t is optimal. if she’s a wolf she knew the game was multiball. that means both teams likely have kill power. why risk drawing kp from the opposite team by making this claim? it seems unlikely

Well the joke's already been made that Alison has drawn a NK if she's town, so that's neither here nor there.

She'll get solved, so I'm past it for now.

Take a look at fingersplints ISO and tell me what you think

i don’t really think much of it. splints is poe for me but i wouldn’t really be surprised to see her flip village. shrug

I don’t mind being in anyone’s PoE for now until I have more chance to prove myself. I’m getting quite paranoid at how many people are being town cleared. It just seems like there aren’t enough people left for how many potential mafia spots there are. We should all be considering all options. There are a lot of good players in this game that can easily fool us. I’m not saying I’m ready to completely abandon any good feelings I have, but just that I’m open to exploring all possibilities.

POEs aren't static and change as the game goes on and the bar to be a confirmed town becomes higher and higher. The way you are approaching this game is disorderly. You do not begin by trying to uncover the deepwolf or throwing mistrust across the town. It is never the case that we will try to hero shot out the deepwolf before resolving slots like ted or TSP. Rather, you begin by methodically resolving every slot in the POE. Some will flip scum, others will no doubt flip town. Using that information from the POE flips, you are then able to begin extracting the deepwolf from the towncore by repeatedly raising the bar to be townie over and over. Currently we are in the mode of solving where we issue townreads freely and easily. For example I am giving the Canucks players a two or three day pass to produce results. Once the easy exes dwindle, we use the information gleaned from those exes to analyze the remaining players. Deepwolves are not solved with blind guessing, but rather more information.

tl;dr - townclear freely for now, change your mind if/when the POE runs dry.

I think you are misconstruing my approach here. I’m in no way saying “let’s lynch some of the townie reads tomorrow in hopes of getting a deep wolf!” Nor am I in any way in favour of resolving anyone before tsp or ted. Tsp especially as I am not sure my brain will move on completely until I get an answer there.
As for some of the rest I think I’m going to just have to leave it as open to different approaches. I don’t see how it’s so “disorderly” to allow yourself to question your top town reads. Again, I’m not saying vote for them right away, but as you said PoE changes and that only happens by questioning your town reads as well.

@falcon45ca my view on tsp remains unchanged. Still my my strongest suspect.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:30 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:18 am i think it’s unlikely w!alison works herself into a position where she’s almost surely going to be nk’d though. alison is extremely conscious of her thread position when she wolfs and i can’t really see how she would think making a claim that ensures she’ll either die or effectively be outed of she doesn’t is optimal. if she’s a wolf she knew the game was multiball. that means both teams likely have kill power. why risk drawing kp from the opposite team by making this claim? it seems unlikely

Well the joke's already been made that Alison has drawn a NK if she's town, so that's neither here nor there.

She'll get solved, so I'm past it for now.

Take a look at fingersplints ISO and tell me what you think

i don’t really think much of it. splints is poe for me but i wouldn’t really be surprised to see her flip village. shrug

I don’t mind being in anyone’s PoE for now until I have more chance to prove myself. I’m getting quite paranoid at how many people are being town cleared. It just seems like there aren’t enough people left for how many potential mafia spots there are. We should all be considering all options. There are a lot of good players in this game that can easily fool us. I’m not saying I’m ready to completely abandon any good feelings I have, but just that I’m open to exploring all possibilities.

Hello all, I’m home now but still rather busy. Going to be trying to casually respond to things and catch up, but if there is anything you would directly like me to answer @ me so I can get to it more quickly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:42 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

The only time finger even says Marmot's name is in hero big player reads list post, she has him (and a lot of others) in the null/mixed feelings/bad list...which is another thing, but whatever.


Never mentioned him before, never talked about anyone else (tsp included) talking about Marmot, nothing...even tho she thinks we're in a good lynch position, implying she does think he's scummy. But if so, why never talk about it before?

Votes TSP, but a big part of this sus is that TSP moved their vote off Marmot...which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP. Again, never once quoted or engaged or really mentioned at all Marmot before, not until 1 hr to lynch time when Marmot is a clear fav to be eliminated.

Most of the rest of her ISO looks soft and not very game solvey, she's got kids so I get that a bit...anyone else care to take a look at her ISO, tell me what they think?

While I do have limited Marmot mentions, it is simply not true that I only mentioned him that one time, especially in relation to tsp. I’ve included some posts in spoiler tags below where I talk about Marmot in relation to tsp. You said

which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP.

. I don’t see why that would make Marmot MORE scummy than tsp. To me the logical procession would be to lynch tsp first, and then if/when they come back bad, Marmot might be teammate. Tsp was suspicious to me not just for the Marmot interaction but how they were trying to paint jjj as bad (who I think it townie) for that suspicion then later completely changed their tactic and voted Marmot for no reason.

Hello all, I’m home now but still rather busy. Going to be trying to casually respond to things and catch up, but if there is anything you would directly like me to answer @ me so I can get to it more quickly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:42 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

The only time finger even says Marmot's name is in hero big player reads list post, she has him (and a lot of others) in the null/mixed feelings/bad list...which is another thing, but whatever.


Never mentioned him before, never talked about anyone else (tsp included) talking about Marmot, nothing...even tho she thinks we're in a good lynch position, implying she does think he's scummy. But if so, why never talk about it before?

Votes TSP, but a big part of this sus is that TSP moved their vote off Marmot...which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP. Again, never once quoted or engaged or really mentioned at all Marmot before, not until 1 hr to lynch time when Marmot is a clear fav to be eliminated.

Most of the rest of her ISO looks soft and not very game solvey, she's got kids so I get that a bit...anyone else care to take a look at her ISO, tell me what they think?

While I do have limited Marmot mentions, it is simply not true that I only mentioned him that one time, especially in relation to tsp. I’ve included some posts in spoiler tags below where I talk about Marmot in relation to tsp. You said

which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP.

. I don’t see why that would make Marmot MORE scummy than tsp. To me the logical procession would be to lynch tsp first, and then if/when they come back bad, Marmot might be teammate. Tsp was suspicious to me not just for the Marmot interaction but how they were trying to paint jjj as bad (who I think it townie) for that suspicion then later completely changed their tactic and voted Marmot for no reason.

I just woke up, and haven’t read anything yet. But wanted to let everyone know I wouldn’t be around most of today. My daughter has a lot of activities to go to. I’ll be back in the afternoon/evening for thoughts/questions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm Is mason a role?

Yeah. Masons are civilians that know each other and usually have BTSC.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:14 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm Is mason a role?

yes. masons are villagers who are confirmed to each other and share btsc

Thank you both. I really need a cheat sheet for most common roles and what they are called nowadays

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

What about Al?

Posts haven’t seen especially townie, but not my top suspect. I wouldn’t be opposed to the lynch, but not sure I’d be ready to vote there

Is mason a role?

I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:49 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:48 pm I got nothing for Dom yet. Hope we get more content from him soon.
This game must be really tough to enter at this point. I really feel for him and Hally

Only if you're Maf

I usually don’t like to sub into any games because I hate catching up. This one? I wouldn’t even need to see the role. My answer would be no. Too many pages

I got nothing for Dom yet. Hope we get more content from him soon.
This game must be really tough to enter at this point. I really feel for him and Hally

I don’t know what slanking is. I feel like it may have been asked so perhaps I forgot

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm i will say that i subbed into this game completely on a whim without realizing how large it was AND i have another game starting within a week that’s also kind of big

i tend to thrive in smaller games and feel out of my element subbing into such a massive thread so i don’t expect myself to become an obvious villager quickly or nail immediately nail wolves left and right. if it happens it happens but don’t hold your breath

I completely sympathise with this. I too thrive in smaller games.

I’m still unsure what to make of tutuu/Hally. I don’t have any comparison to say whether the frustration was more likely town or scum. There were posts I liked, and posts I didn’t. The main one of didn’t coming to mind was the trying to paint either me or spf as having to be one of us as wolf, when there is a town/town possibility. Having said that I don’t know if the scummier moments are chalked up to different play styles, and I wasn’t planning on voting there today anyways so Hally has time for me

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:24 pm fingersplints is being hesitantly GTHed town by most of the playerlist. She has not had many glaring scumtells in her posting, but she also hasn't been massively town. The people who know her seem to think she is town. SPF has outed a scumread on fingersplints accompanied by a case in which she argues that fingersplints has had lukewarm posting that is specifically designed to agree with consensus and be bland and hedgey. There has been some pressure on fingersplints but I think most of those people were just pressing buttons or sheeping SPF. Of note is the fact that she was blindingly obvious consensus town in all the other games she's been in where she is town, and she isn't here.

I’d like to point out that those two games I played with you are literally the only ones in my mafia career that I was consensus town.

Welcome to the game Hally and Dom. Good luck catching up!

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:38 pm [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I will not be around much today. I feel vaguely interested in pursuing a fingersplints suspicion, but I won’t have time to see it through. I’ll try to dig up a few things for discussion’s sake.

Interesting, I hadn't felt suspicion of her. Looking forward to the discussion things.

I also haven’t felt suspicion of her and look forward to the discussion.

Also a “Joseph” has been mentioned several times. Who is that?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 am For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.

TWTBW?

Thanks

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 am Now imagine the opposite: a game where everyone’s town! What an experience that would be.

Too soon

What’s the deal with the salad again?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:10 pm I think KZA's recent play has seemed decent. I want to keep the standards high here so I'm still thinking on that read.

I don't think I am comfortable with BoKnows, and post count doesn't move me much.

I really don’t like post count arguments. Especially in a game with high spam content.
And how do you rate it when some people post single sentences while others post whole paragraphs.
Maybe I’m biased as a “low poster”. Quality over quantity I’ve always said

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:13 pm Who's here right now?

I’m around; kid 1 is asleep now so just relaxing before bed.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:47 pm i extremely dislike that tutuu is aggressively trying to pit me and fingersplints against each other, especially because her reasoning to wolfread me in the first place feels absolutely bogus

I agree with this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:38 pm She could stand to fall either way on Long Con. That wasn't clarified much in her reads list today. @fingersplints perhaps that ought to be a point of emphasis.

I want to reread the Oddmerta vs long con conflict as I told LC earlier I would. GTH take on it from memory is it was making me feel better about LC and worse about Oddmerta.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:14 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:45 pm good morning. i am gay.

hi why fingersplints maf

i had mentally sorted strawhenge and fingersplints into the same tier of: "back after a long absence with towny openings". as my townread on strawhenge grew more confident with time, i decided that i wanted to re-evaluate my feelings about fingersplints as well

i took a peek at fingersplints ISO and got pinged by this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 29#p760229 . it felt to me like fingersplints was trying to "establish" his position in the game without actually believing in the stuff that he was saying. i was turned off by him outing a bunch of consensus townreads with the reasoning of: "this person feels genuine". i also felt that he had some strong reasoning on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 63#p760363 that he immediately invalidated by going out of his way to emphasize that he didn't have any ~actual~ read on long con

those two posts were enough for me to park my vote on him overnight and see how the thread played around it. i'm not sure about him being a wolf, but i do have some concerns about him. i am relatively lukewarm about his most recent posting

I don’t have a lot I can say to you feeling like I didn’t believe what I was saying. It was a quick post as I was just attempting to get started on reading the thread and figuring out how I was feeling about the players, and those three stood out most to me at that point from a vibes perspective. I tend to gravitate towards trying to read players I know first unless something stands out to me, which is why JJJ and Sloonei were some of the first as I played with them prior to my five year break and they seemed most obviously townie at that point. Falcon stood out to me for seeming to start the scum hunting, which I would find a mafia to be a bit more hesitant on.

As to the second part, I’m not sure what the strong reasoning you say I had was, as I was literally just trying to ask a question. I seem to talk to and about LC a lot in games. Perhaps there is just familiarity and comfort there, as I have been playing with him the longest. (Exception to Dom who is a no show but also comes from the same show forum as LC and me). I’ll always be wary of LC. He is a formidable player with a bit of a zany approach to mafia that can hide both his mafia and town game especially early before he is very invested.

Also, I don’t usually correct this but my pregnancy hormones are crazy today, so I’m a she.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:40 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
MacDougall

Thanks for the list, splints. I isolated a few names that I'd be interested to hear more about when you have the chance.

Esooa and BoKnows are both my gut feelings based on how they played in Bee Mafia. Admittedly this is a limited comparison, so always could change. Especially since Bo deceived us all that game. I’m naturally a bit wary of any trust there now

JPIC - for now I just feel is asking genuine and insightful questions.

MacDougall - I recall a lot of people saying this is their town game, but I can’t recall why or any posts that strike me as particularly townie. Having said that, I don’t recall any that stood out as scummy either, so that ones more on the neutral side.

I’d still like to see their response but I’m [VOTE: voting TonyStarkPrime] aubergine for now.

@JaggedJimmyJay I need some more work on the last group, but right now this is where I feel right now. Sorry making dinner and can’t do colours

These people I feel very good about
JJJ
Sloonei
Alison
Falcon
Strawhenge

These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

This person has not posted
Dom

These people I feel ok but sometimes wary about due to posting styles
Nanook
Long Con

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
Tedextr
Staypositivefriend
Oddmerta
KZA
MacDougall
Marmot
Tutuu
Michelle
Al Sama

This person right now is my biggest suspect
TSP

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:31 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:28 pm Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

If you read TSP posts they are a bit all over the place in their feeling on Marmot. Suspecting you for your vote on Marmot, next calling their read on Marmot null, before voting for Marmot themselves.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am [VOTE: fingersplints
] aubergine

this is a wolf. i will explain tomorrow. goodnight!

Has this suspicion been explained yet?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:52 am Everything is worth thinking about.

I knew you would like that.
Don’t worry. Reviewing the you/oddmerta situation is on my to do list.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:39 am Jay is definitely try harding, whether you think that's mafia or not...ymmv

What does “ymmv” mean?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:37 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 pm A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at

yes I know. His tone is way too serious, as if he's very much tryharding.

I think I’ve finally reached the one you were asking why i didn’t comment on.

If you haven’t answered it already - why is a serious tone a bad thing? Do you think a serious tone is abnormal for jjj?

I prefer more serious to more fluff posts, so I don’t find anything wrong with jjj posts, and I find the content quite normal and similar to other town games I have seen from him.

Everything is worth thinking about.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:36 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:55 am Odd, you honestly think that scum like to vote together in a situation like this?

Why would that be a thing? What logic are you supposedly employing here? This is suspicious.

Why wouldn't mafia vote together in a situation like this? What kind of situation is this?

One reason mafia wouldn't vote together is that they don't want to be associated, but that's neither here nor there - your reverse question isn't pertinent.

The situation is voting for a player who has no other votes, in the first half of day 1.

In the last game we played, Bee Mafia, two mafia voted together for their third mafia member Day 1. This allowed them to win.

I’m not saying this is exactly the same situation, but I definitely am rethinking what “mafia wouldn’t do” after that game.

That's probably a good thing, but do you suspect two players that vote for the same player because of it, moving forward?

I wouldn’t suspect two players for ONLY the reason of voting for the same person

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:34 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:31 amIn the last game we played, Bee Mafia, two mafia voted together for their third mafia member Day 1. This allowed them to win.

I’m not saying this is exactly the same situation, but I definitely am rethinking what “mafia wouldn’t do” after that game.

Howdy splints, would you be willing to throw together a reads list for everyone, or at least name a top 3-5 town and top 3-5 mafia? It would help to frame your current view of business.

I still got lots of pages to catch up on, but I’ll definitely try to get to it today because I think I probably have a lot of neutrals still, so looking at the list might help me.

I’m very slow today. It was a horrible night for me and today has been blah

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:55 am Odd, you honestly think that scum like to vote together in a situation like this?

Why would that be a thing? What logic are you supposedly employing here? This is suspicious.

Why wouldn't mafia vote together in a situation like this? What kind of situation is this?

One reason mafia wouldn't vote together is that they don't want to be associated, but that's neither here nor there - your reverse question isn't pertinent.

The situation is voting for a player who has no other votes, in the first half of day 1.

In the last game we played, Bee Mafia, two mafia voted together for their third mafia member Day 1. This allowed them to win.

I’m not saying this is exactly the same situation, but I definitely am rethinking what “mafia wouldn’t do” after that game.

@Esooa I still haven’t read everything yet. But I don’t have a problem with anyone suspecting someone I have a town read of, if the reasons feel genuine to me. It’s always good to question what we think in mafia, as it’s so easy to be fooled.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:31 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:15 am Up to page 24 now, I don’t agree with the suspicion of Jay (from TonyStarkPrime) and Alison (from staypositivefriend).
Both seem pretty townie to me right now.
TonyStarkPrime’s seems more flimsy out of the two, but I still have more to go. We’ll see

What was flimsy about it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 pm A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at

The talk of jay’s tone and being hesitant both of which I’m not really seeing. Not really sure I understand the Sloonei comparison as a negative. They’ve always played kind of similar to me so it’s not really something I find suspicious.
I’m also not really sure I understand the Marmot vote comment. It reads to me that it’s making him also suspect marmot while simultaneously suspecting jay.

I didn't really get that from TSP's post in regards to sussing marmot from the voting comment with marmot/JJJ, it read like he suspects JJJ for voting Marmot. It's worth noting though that TSP elaborated later that he didn't have a read on Marmot.

That makes more sense. I was confused why they would want to follow someone they suspected. I still don’t really like the vague suspicion of Jay, and I’ll need to see more about his later comments about Marmot that you mentioned, because I’m still not sure why if you don’t have a read on someone a vote against them would be a factor. But I’ll see how it’s explained as the thread progresses

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:15 am Up to page 24 now, I don’t agree with the suspicion of Jay (from TonyStarkPrime) and Alison (from staypositivefriend).
Both seem pretty townie to me right now.
TonyStarkPrime’s seems more flimsy out of the two, but I still have more to go. We’ll see

What was flimsy about it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 pm A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at

The talk of jay’s tone and being hesitant both of which I’m not really seeing. Not really sure I understand the Sloonei comparison as a negative. They’ve always played kind of similar to me so it’s not really something I find suspicious.
I’m also not really sure I understand the Marmot vote comment. It reads to me that it’s making him also suspect marmot while simultaneously suspecting jay.

Up to page 24 now, I don’t agree with the suspicion of Jay (from TonyStarkPrime) and Alison (from staypositivefriend).
Both seem pretty townie to me right now.
TonyStarkPrime’s seems more flimsy out of the two, but I still have more to go. We’ll see

For instance if someone had a suspicion during Day 0 that really stuck it’ll probably still be being talked about.