The Syndicate

There has to be a way around this poll thing.

So TH? Because still no Timmer. Too bad I used that beacon. I could have blown up timmers square.

Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

I don't think we should trust them to do it either, but I don't know which team we would be better to lynch either.

Turnip Head wrote:Tell me how I've given up Tranq. Tell me how I'm timmer's teammate.

I thought you did too with that vote for golden

S~V~S wrote:I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.

It had to have been one of you.

who do you think tried to kill me?

Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.
How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.

Unless Tranq is lying...and I guess it's possible he killed me and then ran away. I know when I set the beacon off I was very specific about order of operations. Others could be as well. This was exactly the kind of answer I would expect from a civvie though. Well thought out and rational. Baddie Tranq is very capable of pulling off this tone but as it happens I already found SVS more suspicious of the two.

MM could be another contender for the killer. So I wouldn't put some SVS connection out of the question. I actually have to reread all this MM stuff. I'm the worst with roles. I have an idea for a role/affiliation based on the thread, but idk which one it is because I can't keep the names straight.

its my husbands birthday today so not sure how much I will be around will try to get a better grips on MM later

Also, it's very clear TH has given up as well. I'm voting th, although I wish I could return the vote Timmer

That is an acceptable answer.

Golden wrote:Looks like the trickster is a townie.

Tranq made a point.. how do you know this reval won't be a lie? But my gut says there is nothing in the trickster's role that would cause this host reveal to be a lie. And, I kind of wonder if some of the anti-trickster vote sentiment was from people who were a little afraid that we would find out the trickster wasn't bad.

I'm glad to see fingersplints survive, and I'd like to know if she has any inclination as to who tried to kill her.

I do actually.

I think it was SVS. But if not her, Tranq.
Made a mistake trying to NK me

Tranq - can you tell me why it was SVS and not you who tried to kill me? SVS - same question about Tranq

No, I have not and would not help him.

Matt - a combination of site issues/falling asleep lead me to miss the vote. Sorry hosts and players.

Sorsha - I think it's a little strange/suspicious that you seem to think pointing out to Golden someone may be fooling him should make you immune from suspicion. He can be pretty paranoid anyways, and it's a pretty natural assumption to make so not sure why you should have civvie credit for suspecting it.
It just sounds like you are upset he isn't trusting you anymore. He seems to trust me fine still so your point "he isn't trusting anyone" isn't true.

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Fine, Matt.

Matt is lying about a few things. Telling you what he is lying about requires me to out myself-- something I do not do. Matt has put me in a position where I either have to sit here and listen to him lie about the circumstances of his quest or I out myself-- but Matt's done quite a nice job doing that anyway.
Well I'm not lying about jack, so you're the ultimate betrayer.

Luckily for you, I believe members of this forum probably put more trust in you then in me, but for this game, they shouldn't.

I can't speak for all members of this forum, but I don't trust either of you this game.

I'm really disappointed Timmer is off the poll. Actually I hate this poll period. I hate limited option polls.

Matt: What is the "awesomeness" you are waiting to happen that you have mentioned multiple times?

This part bolded:

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Matt are you serious
Of course I'm serious. Maybe I'm not taken seriously, but I am serious.

Do you also believe the Spirit Oracle is phony? Do you also believe that I'm just making up on the fly my quest to save the Living Statueu? I've been doin' some hard work, people.

The rest of you are content to hide in the shadows and not reveal what you've learned. Guess what. To this second, I still have not received a reprimand for discussing what I've found on the map or revealed in the thread. At this point, I'm thinking as long as specific coordinates are not involved and talking about btsc chat, then you're good to go. Who else has been forthcoming with their knowledge? Oh I forgot the cool kids table has a super secret civvie plan that has already ended up with one civ lynched and if I'm lynched, that'll be 2 for 2.

C'mon peeps, for real? We need a town win and if you can just give me a few more days, I really believe we'll be that much closer. I don't know about Dom or Turnip, but IMO, what I have stumbled upon is probably more essential to a civ win then what either of them have to offer, civ or not.

Again, I can't make this up! Do you all really think I'm this creative? By golly, thanks for thinkin' I'm so smart, but I'm just bein' an open book as to what this game has put me through!

...doesn't sit well to me. You mention "civ or not" so you don't think either are bad, but would rather see them lynched because of some super secret side mission that is more important to a civvie win then lynching baddies.

Also, I know feel like your "poor me, I'm not included" doesn't seem genuine anymore, because you have a shit ton more secret knowledge then I have.

"Don't lynch me. Just wait a few days." K the game will probably be over if we wait though.

Matt wrote:A lot of you seem to be discussing "inside" things that are going over my head. Apparently this must be part of the exclusion SVS was talking about earlier.

I have no idea what the "inside" talk is either, so don't feel too excluded. What I have to think about it something totally unrelated to everything being discussed.

Voting for someone doesn't necessarily prove anything. In BoB everyone swore I wasn't on team Webber because of my votes and you know how that turned out

Re:SVS

fingersplints wrote:I think we need to look into other players than those three, so I don't think it is sidetracking.

I voted those three and Dom, because I feel least civvie about Dom outside of three still. I still feel that Golden is still likely a civvie, just wrong like a bunch of us about bass. I've been playing with Golden since his first Mafia game, and he can't fake that tone. I am more paranoid I am wrong about SVS with each passing day, but not enough to abandon that trust. And I still feel ok about MM. Sorsha is also still on my ok list from golden's vouch, but I have to also consider she could be the one he is wrong about.
Everyone else is leaning civvie/neutral/need to revisit

It's hard for me to articulate without rulebreaking. There is some out of thread stuff I need to mull over some.

Dom wrote:Splints, if you think I'm baddie-- what team am I on?

I don't find suspects based on what team they might be on. I find suspects by what thread actions I find suspicious. I rarely pay attention to "this person is on this team". It's just not how I play.

Also I don't for sure think you are a baddie. But by my process of elimination you are least civvie seeming from what is left. If I had more then 4 options I would have also voted for Lorab, Tranq, and Draconus as I want to revisit all of them too. I'm not a big fan of limiting poll options too much.

Same question to you.

I think we need to look into other players than those three, so I don't think it is sidetracking.

I voted those three and Dom, because I feel least civvie about Dom outside of three still. I still feel that Golden is still likely a civvie, just wrong like a bunch of us about bass. I've been playing with Golden since his first Mafia game, and he can't fake that tone. I am more paranoid I am wrong about SVS with each passing day, but not enough to abandon that trust. And I still feel ok about MM. Sorsha is also still on my ok list from golden's vouch, but I have to also consider she could be the one he is wrong about.
Everyone else is leaning civvie/neutral/need to revisit

Rip bass
I hate that we lynched a civvie, but I don't feel bad. We gave him many chances to list any suspicions or defend himself and he just didn't.

LoRab wrote:
Matt wrote:So in that case, those roles were occupied by those who voted Bass?

Hmmm. MM voted me.

Again, I'm obvi tired. Be back tomorrow, got two days off, let's rock this bitch town! BOOM
I think the roles were just story telling. Although all of the roles may be civ--but he could have also mixed them up a bit.

I don't think LC would make it that obvious who voted for whom in a lynch.

I think you are reading too much into the lynch post. And yes, it was a lynch.

^^^ this.

Matt wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Do you think bass makes himself more or less of an "easy target" by refusing to answer any questions or name any suspicions? I don't think it's fair to blame everyone for that one. He has been given enough chances.
I don't know. I just know throughout the years, I've heard that about him. And I know I'm one, too.

Honestly, I'm not really so sure about Golden. I've known him to be civ and get me wrong plenty of times.

But what do you think of SVS telling me I'm hurting the spirit of the game with outside the thread info, but defending Golden when he does it?

Oh, and Dom, Dom is either bad baddie or so unbelievable wrong about me it hurts. It really hurts, Dom. I thought we'd be besties.

I think SVS was being unnecessarily defensive over it given he had been clearly talking about map btsc. (Btw it wasn't that post. as I said it was the one where he went on about how he had traveled with Sorsha the entire game. That is without a doubt map btsc) I don't know what to make of that tbh. I had been thinking SVS was a civvie most of the game, but that post seems strange to me.

Here is the unfortunate thing though. Now I have thoughts based off Goldens comments on his map btsc, but I can't comment/question with staying in the rules. I agree with holding back information in some cases and this is pretty much why.

I still don't trust you either, and think your posts have been suspicious, but this one in particular is giving me pause.
I need some time to think about this.

Do you think bass makes himself more or less of an "easy target" by refusing to answer any questions or name any suspicions? I don't think it's fair to blame everyone for that one. He has been given enough chances.

Voted

Idk. I was hoping to know if changeable soon too. I think I'm still leaning bass. I'd say we can leave him for another day due to inactivity, except he is still showing up therefore still able to send in kills.

lc & br - HamburgerBoy is listed twice under players.

I'm not trying to make golden look bad. I think he is a civvie and I'd hate to see him get punished.

S~V~S wrote:He said roles,not rules. And what makes you think it is BTSC based? Some of it may be for all I know, but not allof it.

I misread a letter. Pretty defensive

The part where he said he travelled with sorsha for most of the game.

Dom wrote:
Matt wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.
How do you feel about Golden knowing the exact number of baddies left?
I feel that you need to read the roles.

I think Golden does too. Particularly # 5

Matt wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Matt I am not sure where you are going with this "Golden is SURE how many baddies are left." there are two baddie teams so how would he know even if bad. It honestly seems like you are grasping at anything to seem focused on a player as that was one of the suspicions against you
Are you ignoring Golden's quote where he says "...the last four baddies." Here, let me get it for you...

Golden wrote:Any one of those four is ok with me. I think they are all bad. I think they might be the last four baddies.
Golden thinks they might be the last four baddies. The last four.

Also, I have a theory on how he'd know for sure, but Dom has to be bad in this theory and Golden's teammate. I'm not ready to commit to that yet.

But yeah, disregarding me completely and spinning it by saying "I think you're just desperate", tell me what you think about Golden's claims of four baddies left.

I'm not ignoring it. I just don't agree with you. You even underlined the fact for me that he says he "thinks" there are four left. THINKS. Are you ignoring that? Like I said, this really feels like you heard everyone say this doesn't feel like how you pursue suspects in your civvie game, so you are trying to do that, but failing.
Also I never used the word desperate. Who is spinning now?

Matt I am not sure where you are going with this "Golden is SURE how many baddies are left." there are two baddie teams so how would he know even if bad. It honestly seems like you are grasping at anything to seem focused on a player as that was one of the suspicions against you

I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.

Usually when that happens to me, it's taking a while to submit or something so I had hit it again. Idk

bullz

Matt wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Think of it as Scooby Doo mystery. A lot of the fun of it all would be reduced if, during the first scene, you saw the monster mask hanging out of the creepy old caretakers pocket.
I suppose LC/BR were trying to take the fun away then by encouraging us to speak about map locations?

Linki - Lol. I think you're fibbing, SVS. I think if you were really upset at me "breaking the spirit of the game", you'd be furious and it would show. I think you're just trying to get a civvie lynched.

A couple posts ago, you even reference civvies sharing information but purposely excluding me, and the way it was said I feel like you were saying I was an excluded civvie, not an excluded baddie. This doesn't ring right to me.

Anyway, we'll see what our hosts say before we continue. Otherwise, circles.

there is ways to share info not in the thread. This game has the potential for a lot of civvie btsc.

Bullzeye wrote:I'm against any contest that I probably can't win.

Lol this was my obvious reason too

I don't stand a chance.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel being completely open about items as Matt is suggesting. It feels a bit out of the spirit of the game (although not technically against the rules) and I don't want to give the baddies a shit ton of item information they don't already have.
Fortunately for me, it doesn't matter, as the only item I have encountered blew up.

Timmers vote was weird. I knew something was going to happen after that. Why would he have voted TH to save himself when I'm pretty sure bass had two votes. Why put TH at two for a save when you could put bass at 3? This makes no sense to me and makes both bass and timmer look even worse.

timmer wrote:I've voted TH in a sad effort to save myself. Why I'm bothering I have no idea.

I voted no for the posting competition for obvious reasons.

S~V~S wrote:Am I on drugs,or is anyone else seeing what I am seeing?

Yes. It sounds fishy. Especially for Matt. I'm not sure I believe if he truly had this info he wouldn't have been on timmers ass sooner. Why now

Golden wrote:Splints - was your item called 'scintillating beacon' when you found it?

SVS - I did point out that bass said that he trusted you, but not because I suspect you for it. I found it is worth noting though for the reason you mentioned - he could be buddying up to you. As you said, it's something he has done when bad, so that combined with all the other reasons why I think he is bad. If he could express such trust of you, how come he doesn't have any suspects? It doesn't add up. And again, I know he is busy. I don't need him to have reads on everyone, but anything more.

If he is bad as I suspect and does have teammates left, I'd of course have to consider the possibility of you being bad. but even so, I'd still think buddying was more likely. at this point I have no reason to think you are and was still leaning civvie on you.

Yea I'm voting Bass. There is loads more then just "you aren't posting". First you tried to argue that 2 lynches wasn't the most civvie friendly choice, then waffled on that a bit when questioned. You Supported a Canuck vote over juliets. Didn't name any other suspicions. (Although I noticed you mentioned trust of SVS). followed by a no u for Sorsha. I get you are busy. I am too. I don't expect a lot from you but something would be nice.

I have a hard time suspecting Timmer based on this accusation though given other events. I get he could be lying, but I'm not sure yet. He seems distracted, so I could see him using an item he found without thinking much about it. I do agree with whoever said it though that Epi was a weird choice

No, I have encountered an item that had different, extra negative effects then the positive effect described, but it still was the same item. I'm pretty positive this was a cursecrafter item as it fits the description perfectly.

I'm still suspicious of bass, and am fairly sure I will be voting him. (I would now to try and motivate him to discussing but not sure if changeable today).

I don't know what to make of Matt. I agree with whoever said he is usually more focused on a player when he truly suspects them, so that is troubling, but I'm not sure if it's enough for me to vote him yet.

And he didn't mention me for a few days, but those were also the days of my absence. It halfway like most everything I say has been returned with an eye since that initial post I pointed out.

Also he said I was lying after I said he was on my ass since I questioned whether he was a civvie. We can debate all we want how much he was on my ass but the point still stands he didn't have a problem with me when I was defending him earlier. Only once I started questioning him did I seem "contrived"

I'm not upset he didn't suspect me earlier. I'm saying regardless of him not saying "I suspect splints" he has been seemingly throwing suspicions at me for a while. I don't agree that I was playing the victim. But I don't see the point in going back and forth with someone when it's obvious they aren't going to change their mind. I have other things I can be doing both in and out of this game.

Repeating I am lying does not make it true. I'm not sure what I was supposed to make off the tone of your posts like this one if it wasn't you suspect me.

Because you don't say "you are my suspect" doesn't mean you can't indicate suspicion. I'm not lying or rewriting anything. Everyone can read the posts for themselves. I think it is absolute BS for you to say you weren't suspicious of me until day 8 though.

How is it not true? This I literally your first mention/interaction with me:

Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:TH: Because I don't agree with your points on someone it does not mean I thought you were bad. I thought you were wrong, but that you had good intentions. I was looking forward to discussing Dom with you more before you were killed. I had reread him some from other games and I became less confident about him being a civvie. That suspicion seems to have dropped off anyways
Now I don't get the same feeling about you having good intetnions. I wouldn't say I suspect you yet. Hopefully the results of this lynch will help me decide about a few people.
This reads rather contrived to me.

What games didyou read?

I'm not playing the victim. This just isn't productive. You have been on my ass since the second I said I wasn't so sure you were a civvie anymore. I never said I was surprised. Perhaps you should stop putting words in my mouth.

I didn't backpedal either.

Alright Dom. Because that is what I said. There's no talking to you. No matter what I say you are going to find some way to call it suspicious.

Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
I'm probably voting Bass. I feel alright about the Wilgy vote though. like I said this seems more like his baddie game vs what I saw when I hosted him. I was hoping to reread the game this reminds me most of (90's Mafia on jtm) but haven't had a chance to, and seems it probably won't be necessary at this point.

What?
If Wilgy doesn't flip the way I think he will-- you might be my next vote.

"Wilgy is probably bad, but I won't vote there."
Why?
To avoid having responsibility for his death.

IDK highly contingent on Wilgy's allignment, but this post stank to me.

Umm except I did vote him before you gave me the eye, and already explained why I was reluctant to vote for him.

I really don't get what is that many

worthy. Wilgy is already getting lynched. It seems unnecessary to track down and read entire games at this point.

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