The Syndicate

Damn

wrong call

Good game all

Alright, I can’t keep agonising over this. Ender laid out some decent points before the hammer about interactions and came to the conclusion falcon was most likely, and I agree. Plus I also don’t see why Tran roleclaimed if not last ditch effort to save a teammate. Makes no sense otherwise for timing. So gotta go with my instincts here.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Sorry town if I am wrong

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:53 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:51 pm I want to hard clear Fingers but I should do some diving before commiting
That's ridiculous you would hard clear fingers. Don't dive, what's the reason for the hars clear right now?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:58 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:52 pm I can't be w/w with Alison due to the fact her claim put me in hammer range and If i was a wolf I would be considered "deep" so her claim would of done nothing but kill me and her d2 and d3.
Part of my TR on you

This was your posts the last day. It really does feel like quite a change from your tone today. I appreciate Sean flipped green, but no one else did a complete reversal on their suspects like thus

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:34 pm If fingers is the last Maf, we're screwed

I wish I was the last mafia. Being the game deciding vote sucks

I’ll read a little bit later. Can’t read back at the moment

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:50 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:46 pm It does read a bit like you wanted to hold it In case Kami said me not gonna lie
I knew Kami was going to say me, she's been on me all game. I was the chop if Tran hadn't messed up his claim. Kami was voting me, so I was fairly certain she'd wheel around on me when the RD started. Also helps that you've been scum reading me much of the game as well.

Tell me, what do you think the 20% chance is she votes for you? Why would she hedge like that?

Possibly same reason I am hesitant to say I am definitely voting you either

Paranoia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:47 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:46 pm It does read a bit like you wanted to hold it In case Kami said me not gonna lie
Do you feel I've had a fake tone this game?

At times, possibly disingenuous. You might the wolf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:46 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:20 am That said, ali!wolf feels good cause it likely clears finger and epi

But is the reality too good to be true

Idk
Alison wolf clears finger and epi, but later he has kami as TR higher than finger, despite Alison's wolf flip

TR went back and forth on his supposed suspicion of me the entire game. It’s clear he was just waiting for the tide to turn against me so he could jump on it.

It does read a bit like you wanted to hold it In case Kami said me not gonna lie

So what’s the theory

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:23 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:21 pm I’m not scum and I’m very disappointed that Seanzie wasn’t the last. Thought for sure this game would have been over by now.
Curious what your theory is
I know you think I'm Maf. Have you read anything that changes that opinion for you?

Haven’t reread anything since last day. I want to fairly evaluate both you and Kami

I do think we should all hold our votes for a little bit. One town votes wrong, scum quickly jumps on it and it’s game over.

I’m not scum and I’m very disappointed that Seanzie wasn’t the last. Thought for sure this game would have been over by now.
Curious what your theory is

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:05 am My thoughts haven’t changed at all today, so if not Seanzie who I think it is, falcon>Ender>kami

I forgot about Ender’s role claim this morning when I wrote this, so I guess my thoughts have changed a little bit.

I should say that while I think Sean absolutely is the last wolf and his comments today have done nothing to make me think that is wrong, IF he is not, while I still feel worse about falcon than Ender and Kami, IF I make it to the next day I will revisit whoever else is left. I’ve been playing mafia for a decade and I’ve never actually been in a final three situation so I’d want to take my time and evaluate all my reads.

My thoughts haven’t changed at all today, so if not Seanzie who I think it is, falcon>Ender>kami

Seanzie is being opportunistic here in this last comment, not that I blame him given his current position but I got a chuckle.
“Doesn’t recall me doing much” well I went through EoD2 and proved that his reasons for voting for Kami were false. Saying she was the only one who didn’t express intent when I provided quote proof that he in fact quoted her intent with his. His defence that is was 15 minutes before instead of two minutes before is weak.

I’m as convinced as one can be in a mafia game with no info that you will flip red, but I wanted to give you the chance to defend yourself anyways, even though it felt like it was forced out of you. I would have voted already but I don’t like being in charge of the hammer and ending day early. Just want everyone to have their chance to say everything they want.

@EnderWiggin feel free to vote/hammer if you want when done.

I actually did try to tell you but the thread was locked before I was able to because of the abrupt day ending.

I don’t know what that means pretend like I am IC

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 pm But that makes you also aware of their intent to vote Rondo. And you loved around a lot and talked about voting others like me too

That should say moved. Although loved is fun too

But that makes you also aware of their intent to vote Rondo. And you loved around a lot and talked about voting others like me too

Your intent to vote rondo is literally quoting Kami and saying you’d also vote rondo

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:46 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:45 pm I'll vote in rondo/sean/ender/alisonn

no one else
I'd also vote Rondo.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:35 am [VOTE: Rondodimbuckle] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:44 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:43 pm Trans never voted seanszie, so yes if anything EOD2 looks like an attempt to save seanszie
At this point you are either wasting your breath or you have nothing to offer after I flip town.

I'm dying today. Move on.
If you're town, why aren't you trying to solve?
Because I haven't read enough of the game to give a reasonable opinion, the one opinion I have no one is really considering, any time I talk about it, people just shove "No, you're a wolf!" back down my throat, and so I'm tired of trying.

I'm dying today. If I'm a wolf, you win regardless of what happens today. If I'm not, you have to play tomorrow. So focus on tomorrow.
Tell me the theory.

I'm not reading back, because and I don't want to explain.
EoD2 was clearly a scum-coordinated wagon, Rondo went from 1 vote to 7 votes extremely quickly after a few people announced they would vote there. Transcend and Alison were both part of that push. Alison was possibly going to be killed, so this gives them clear motivation.

Based on everything that happened that EoD, I think Kami looks the worst. Kami was the only one whom did all three of the following:

1.) didn't announce their intent to vote Rondo (scum must have seen at least a few town were thinking about moving to Rondo - I know me and Syn did) before doing it,

2.) was a potential wagon (this gives scum further motive to do something bold like a coordinated hammer), and

3.) voted Rondo at the same time as like 4 others.

Wait a minute,

This is false

Gimme a moment guys

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:52 pm I dont like this change while Ender is asleep and you know it Tran. Why?

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:54 pm Is there any more intent to vote ender

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:50 pm I think I want Ender in these two

Pushing Ender

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:49 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:45 pm Yea the switching without thread voting makes it tough to compile how it actually went down. Also there were times when I’d look at the poll and see a number then vote and it would be changed so much because everyone doing it at the same time
Wish there was a vote history tracker

That would be so helpful

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:41 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:39 pm We're not fucking lynching kami
I want to see what happens with Alison and her PR claim during the night, so I'm never lynching there today.

Falcon also not wanting to vote Alison. Tbf there was the claim there that was easy to prove that night, so can’t really fault him for that stance.

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:39 pm We're not fucking lynching kami

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:41 pm UNVOTE KAMI THIS FUCKING INSTANT

SHE IS OBVIOUS TOWN

Tran was also heavily defending Kami EoD2. Was it because he knew she’d flip green or teammate defence

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:39 pm @RondoDimBuckle why aren't you voting?
Because you keep switching so I am watching the final tally

Yea the switching without thread voting makes it tough to compile how it actually went down. Also there were times when I’d look at the poll and see a number then vote and it would be changed so much because everyone doing it at the same time

So rereading the end of Day 2, to see what to make of Kami vs Sean,

And it seems like at one point the vote was 4 Alison Kami 3 and Sean voted Kami to tie it up (save Alison and let mafia decide?)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:30 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:24 pm @Esooa @Seanzie @Syn Dont forget to vote
Why did you move to yourself?
4 on Alison 3 on Kami, not leaving it swing vote tie-able
Well now it is tied.
why did you switch back?
Because I felt like it.

Then Epi had this to say:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:32 pm I'd vote out either Alison or Seanzie at this point. They don't even seem to be hiding their connection.

Not to the end of day yet

Does anyone have the screenshots of the votes? I’m looking around and I’m either missing it or idk but I don’t remember who was at what at each end of day honestly. There was too much vote switching around

Alright well, I’ll give @Seanzie a little time to provide anything, because I’m still willing to hear him out before voting. But if he keeps up with this attitude then I don’t see any choice but to vote there. I’m a bit confused why he is unwilling to even try but

what are you going to do

When is the last time you even mentioned a suspicion? Who do you think is the last wolf then?

It’s kind of on you to try and convince people otherwise. We have all literally given you a chance to at least try and you have basically just been like “oh I don’t feel like it”

Still unhelpful then

Transcend outed himself, and most are in conclusion you are most likely to be the last remaining wolf. I’d recommend catching up on the thread if at all possible, so you can respond to some of the things said about you.

I don’t usually like to hammer early, but I don’t know that I have much else to say at this point, so I’d be ok with ending day today if there is a general consensus that that is ok. If others have more reading they want to do I’m also ok with waiting.

Taking Transcend and Syn out of the list:

Kami
Epi

Ender
Falcon

Seanzie

In the event I am the one night killed this is where I stand. In case it wasn’t obvious

Having an absent partner might explain why Trancsend decided to fake claim like that though, so it makes sense to me.

I’m definitely on board with the Seanzie vote next day period and hope it’s game over

Transcend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:31 am me and fingersplints (i wish u a safe delivery <3)

Thank you

good game

Anyways, going to leave the rereading of transcend for now,because I feel like I’m reading it a bit biased towards Sean=wolf Ender=town and I’ll see what others think.

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:58 pm so why exactly was trans called inno child

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:58 am huh I kinda feel really bad now

transcend is basically IC and it's impossible to say otherwise

I don’t think Esooa ever answered why

That looks obnoxious and long. Sorry. It’s why I don’t quote a ton

Okay so I got bored of that day and went to the beginning to switch it up

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmguys made
I agree Made deserves scrutiny, and even though I don't remember any other posts from you, I'mma guess this one comes from town.
how do u not remember any other posts from me

every post made by me has a cute lil pupper avatar

wouldn't that compel u to read the post?

This just doesn’t feel like an organic interaction to me

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:32 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:23 am Am I remembering wrong or is Epi one of those old school Syndicators who hate bussing?
There is no Syndicate preference against bussing.

I just hate it because it's bad strategy most of the time.
Sounds to me like you look great if Made flips scum then.
Haven't you also pushed Made a bit, and would look good?

Or am I misreading, it's been known to happen
Well yeah but in this case I was responding to Transcend's argument that Epi looks like a Made partner.
if u don't think that epi is a wolf do u think anyone that is or was on the wagon has any wolf equity? ik u tr me and lime but what about ender or syn?

Directing thread attention to Ender and syn.

Then just lots of mentions of Ender. I mean idk would a wolf just casually chat to their teammate this much?

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:09 pmenderwiggin

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:20 am He disappeared :o

Come on ender i don't bite

Spoiler: show
very hard

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:15 am Once upon a time there were 4 ppl, all looking at this game thread

Two of them were mysterious guests, of which their identities will never be unmasked

One of them is me who is a bored insomniac hoping something interesting happens

And the other is ender who hasn't done a damn thing

Sup ender

Here he takes a lot of issue with my Sean/Epi town read without actually giving an opinion. Is this so if Sean were to flip scum early

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:47 am
fingersplints wrote: I’m finished reading now. Still need some time to think, but immediate reactions are

I think Seanzie vs Epi is probably town vs town. Just a feeling if one of them was a wolf they would have moved on or let it go sooner or something.

In all seriousness, I really just don't like this call. I don't really recall them taking too long to move on from their little spat. I don't think this is a genuine take because it doesn't really tell me that you're sorting their alignments as much as making a call. I'd be much more willing to believe ur read has merit if u discussed how their posts were towny but saying something like "they'd just back off from each other if scum" doesn't display much genuine thought behind it imo.

fingersplints wrote: I’ve never played with Transcend before, but I think they come off all right so far.

I think I see some of what I associate with town Alison. Not enough to defend or vote to save or anything at this point, but I think she’s ok for now.
While you have a 100% conclusion, and another one that I'm pretty sure is accurate, these both feel very level 0 and tbh kinda appear as pocket attempts. Nothing u say here really goes against thread consensus and it makes me doubt that ur reads come from a genuine place.

fingersplints wrote: I’ve seen some decent points made about Made but at least one I disagree with ( the posts about him conveniently returning to the thread as if scum buddies told them to get in. That’s almost never actually the case. People just post when they want to) did I read correctly he had 6 votes at one point though? That seems a lot for this early.
This one was the very worst imo. U don't highlight any of the points u agree w on Made. To me it seems like ur sugarcoating the suspicion here, but u have no actual conviction behind it. As for the return at the convenient time, he already addressed that he was @'d by Alison so that theory has been long dismissed, and in the end u also point out that the early bw was in your words "a lot for this early". It seems like u don't think he's mafia here, but the beginning of ur post throws shade towards him.

fingersplints wrote: EnderWiggin seems very different then the last game I played with him when he was town. Just something I’m watching.

I’m trying to remember if there was anything else but my kids demanding attention
I don't rely on meta that heavily but honestly u could have pointed out why he is appearing different, instead of just saying that he appears different.

TL;DR u have a lot of shallow, unexplained takes most of which don't really defy general thread consensus and show a alarmingly high lack of thought and conviction behind them. U throw shade on certain ppl but don't back it up either.

I'm aware that u seem to have kid(s) and that ur full attention might not have been devoted to the thread at this time, but to me it came off pretty bad and imma need u to do a better job at convincing me that what u said actually had true conviction behind it cause rn it definitely doesn't.

I'm sure this isn't a birthday present u really want but that do be the way the cookie crumbles.

[VOTE: finger] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:09 am [VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

He voted Ender during the Alison lynch though
Idk could be bussing but just seems like weird timing

Idk there is bound to be a lot more in the 700 something posts but it’s a bit tedious as I’m getting the same feeling from it all so far

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:53 am i think sean and syn are both town and enderwiggin is poking holes between the two i really think enderwiggin is mafia

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:06 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:06 am i unironically would be okay lynching ender today

but i know that's not going to happen

just putting it out there
Explain how this is a good thought.
if ur mafia then we have an outed and only one left

and i think ur mafia

but 9/10 the outed dies

Puts Ender out there as candidate over outed wolf

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:07 am do u think u r at all in ur scumrange seanzie

fwiw i wouldn't know what that is

but i see it very unlikely for u to be maf here

Unlikely to be mafia. Defence, but still hesitant so if Sean flips not solid defence

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