The Syndicate

Yea, DP even swooped in with the missed post! Hard to believe it was his first time hosting he did so well!

LoRab wrote:I <3 my team!!

I assume Boogs got the same info as I did every other night (although I don't see it written in his role, but I only skimmed). I was rather amused when I figured that out.

And I would argue that he didn't really info dump because the information was pretty ambiguous, and may or may not have been true.

@LC: How did you know I had tried to kill you?

Yes, as Rox said, I got that info too. Hence the more than a feeling video Had I survived I would have not trusted LC as much since I found it a bit weird he put together that it was some sort of hint, but didn't say anything about it after I was died and revealed to be that role.
Well played to all the finalists, and great game hosts!

Being dead sucks.

Hedgeowl wrote:omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

I've only seen episode 1, but I've finished all of book 1. I'm 1/4 through book 2. so good so if you want to discuss as you watch feel free to PM me!

I don't have the greatest feeling about her either. I still don't like her comment about Enrique being bad half the time (again why specifically half?) Maybe I am reading too much into it, or maybe it's that I feel she is the most likely to recruit Enrique, but her just disappearing like this makes me believe she is just lying low now and letting the civvies go at each other.

maybe she was silenced too? haha

I could get on board with a Mongoose lynch as well. I just feel a bit stronger about bullz at this point.
(if I make it through the night)

Something I have been meaning to mention but keep forgetting, Keterman was NK'd right after calling out juliets. Do we think it's more likely someone was setting it up to look like her or that she actually did it?

linki - I agreed with you Bullz as you quoted me doing. iirc YOU presented the "it's weird such a low poster was targeted idea" in my mind because as you so helpfully pointed out people would associate you with cursing high posters.

or you mean with the ability. I get you now LC

Roxy wrote:llama has been lynched he was Dennis' Mom - a Civvie

It is now night 7

Are you saying this is not llama's role/alignment?

Well potentially Mongoose and I can't remember the other I thought may have been atm (maybe Ketterman? idk). I replaced in so my notes are incomplete, which is why I already asked for help with this. Since no one responded it will have to wait until I am able to go through the thread again and compile this information. It won't be today (wed) that's for sure. I might have time tomorrow but idk yet

I will get back to you, and I do still want to discuss other people. I just have to get ready and set off to do stuff. Not sure how often I'll be able to get wifi today to check in

All the same, he got lynched for people thinking he was. it's doubtful he would even self target with a posting restriction again after that.

I thought he was llamas teammate at the time. Llama has since been lynched and proven a civvie.

I did think it was weird, but I have since reconsidered. i'm not going to pretend to be a Boogs expert, but he was lynched in the Hobbit for lying about a curse specifically. (You had btsc with him that game I think so you should remember it well)
Maybe someone who knows him better (other than bullz) can answer me if he seems like that kind of risk taking player that would immediately try it again? Because no offense to him, he doesn't seem like that player to me.

linki - While a game where you silenced high posters is good, I'm not accusing you of having a silencing role. Cursing (choosing any posting restriction) is very different than just being able to silence someone.

To be fair, Boogs has also made it incredibly likely he will die soon as well. He has painted a large target on his back. As much attention as he is getting, baddies won't want to keep a possible info role in the game.

And I think Boogs is telling the truth. I have already pointed out that I think the curse maker is likely to be able to choose the curse based on the variety we have seen. Which you tried to discredit him by saying that we hadn't seen that curse before. In retrospect, you were one of the ones who pushed that it was weird such a low poster was cursed in the first place. Therefore, I think you knew he was cursed since your team probably did the cursing.

I would expect a civvie to be mad too, but your tone and responses don't read to me like a mad civvie.

I think you are bad, because you are acting bad bullz. Plain and simple. Your little outburst at Boogs yesterday screams baddie.

like I said, I don't think you are on the team that recruited Enrique.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote: She's right though. Rox loves her some crazy mechanics, and Indies, and yeah, recruits.

I was 50% pointing out a funny coincidence and 50% seeing if Splints would overreact to me pointing out said coincidence and make me suspicious of her. I wasn't really saying it meant anything.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote: bullz - Since you will rightfully ask, it was the comment about the recruit and the subsequent comments about how you were seeing how I would react. I understand that that may be what you were doing, but I tend to overreact a lot so a part of me wonders if you were trying to set me up to react a certain way to make me look bad. I do not feel strongly about you, so I think you are just on a watch list atm for me.

Fair enough. I haven't played with you in ages and honestly don't really remember much about your style so I can promise I wasn't trying to set you up at all. When Enrique's role was first revealed I remembered someone had said something about a recruit but I remembered it sounding more nefarious (in hindsight) than your comment so I went back to check what it was. I found yours and just thought "Ha, what a funny coincidence" but knew that if I were bad and had made a comment like that, and then someone pointed it out, I would get really defensive. So I brought it up partly just to say I found it funny but with the intent that if you'd gotten defensive or been awkward in your response I'd have had someone new to suspect. As it happens you've yet to give me a reason to find you suspicious.

^ Here he promises he wasn't trying to set me up because he doesn't remember how I play well enough. My point being he specifically wouldn't have to remember me play style well enough, just have a teammate who does. It just read to me at the time, and especially now, like trying to bait me to overreact, without stirring the pot too much. I'd look super suspicious and he didn't do anything.

bullz, I will get to you later ( your last response to me) It's late for you anyways and I have two Boardwalk Empires to catch up on.

I voted for pig dog in honor of my loud snorty boy Chico. I think he was a pig in another life. Seriously. You should hear the noises he makes.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Your opinion of me is apparently based on Llama's alignment when he and I have had little to no interaction of any importance. The only thing we did was win the latest challenge together (along with Dana). Other than that, barely anything. I don't remember ever going after him.

Yes that's right. Based on the number of baddie spots I have in mind for a Rox game of this size, and that you two seemed on opposite sides of everything, I had it as either you were bad or him. (I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of you would have had much reason to recruit Enrique.)

I need to do some reevaluating, but I truly believe you are the best spot to look. Based on my earlier feeling that you may have been setting me up with your comment, I think one of your teammates knows me better than you do. I'm thinking Bea.

Enrique wouldn't be the first person I'd try to recruit. I can't comment on your maths because I have no idea but there are other people I've not interacted with much if at all who are still alive so if (since) I'm not bad, are they? I've forgotten what you mean by setting you up, if you ever mentioned it in thread.

I did and you said something like you don't even remember how I play. I'll find it later if you'd like.

Obviously there are other people besides you who are bad. I'm interested in finding all of them. You and Boogs attacks against each other make it seem like both of you are only interested in getting the other out. That doesn't seem very civvie to me. Why don't you humor us a little and lets discuss people other than Boogs? I still believe there to be two teams so I will take what you say into consideration.

Bullzeye wrote:Your opinion of me is apparently based on Llama's alignment when he and I have had little to no interaction of any importance. The only thing we did was win the latest challenge together (along with Dana). Other than that, barely anything. I don't remember ever going after him.

Yes that's right. Based on the number of baddie spots I have in mind for a Rox game of this size, and that you two seemed on opposite sides of everything, I had it as either you were bad or him. (I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of you would have had much reason to recruit Enrique.)

I need to do some reevaluating, but I truly believe you are the best spot to look. Based on my earlier feeling that you may have been setting me up with your comment, I think one of your teammates knows me better than you do. I'm thinking Bea.

^^^ pretend that makes more sense and my wording isn't weird

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Linki - that makes no sense.

Was that to me or Boogs?

You.

How does it make not sense? I feel bad for you that this was presented this way, but it doesn't change things.

Bullzeye wrote:Linki - that makes no sense.

Was that to me or Boogs?

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:goddammit. I'm really sorry llama. I'm also sorry Boogs. I wish I had listened to you. bullz had me fooled. I now know better.

Bullzeye wrote:Well that was the most excruciating day ever. I can't believe nobody seemed to pick up on the fact I was silenced. I'll get to that in a minute but right now everyone better hold on to your butts because I'm about to violently (and boy do I ever mean violently) shake this thread in a manner similar to what might be expected of a wind hitting force 12 on the Beaufort Scale.

Shocking.

Splints I hate infodumping with a passion. If I'd been able to post when he first came out with that fake shit I'd have probably sworn a lot at him. I wouldn't have faked being silenced. I'd have SCREAMED so loud he'd actually hear it in the US.

I wish it could be different, bullz. But it isn't.
Make no mistake, I have my own reasons for suspecting you. I'm not just following Boogs. I said llama's lynch would solidify a few things for me and it did, unfortunately for you.

goddammit. I'm really sorry llama. I'm also sorry Boogs. I wish I had listened to you. bullz had me fooled. I now know better.

Bullzeye wrote:Well that was the most excruciating day ever. I can't believe nobody seemed to pick up on the fact I was silenced. I'll get to that in a minute but right now everyone better hold on to your butts because I'm about to violently (and boy do I ever mean violently) shake this thread in a manner similar to what might be expected of a wind hitting force 12 on the Beaufort Scale.

Shocking.

thellama73 wrote:I've been attacked by everybody, over everything. I legitimately don't know which attacks you're referring to or I would answer them.

Attacked? really?

This "everyone who votes me is a baddie" isn't helping you at all.

And I am not doing this because God said so. I have my own reasons for believing llama is bad. I really hope I am not wrong, but I have to go with what is most likely at this point.

A bandwagon, to me, is everyone piling on a player suddenly out of nowhere. llama has been on the verge of being lynched for days, hedgeowl.

I'm in such a lousy mood if I sound pissy its not at you llama or anyone else, and I apologize if it is coming across like that.

This lynch will be telling at least. Whatever the result I know who I am voting for next.

juliets wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I tend to trust Boogs on this, because I don't think he has a strong incentive to lie right now. He was not taking any attention, so he doesn't need to save himself. If he were bad, he could simply stay silent and still have a good chance of seeing a civvie lynched. I don't think anyone was in such immediate, inevitable danger that this kind of hail Mary would be necessary.

But he WAS taking attention with the smileys and his unusual silence. I suppose you mean he's not taking lynch attention on himself this round so far?

I'd like to believe that he's telling the truth, but people are making good points about why this sort of "info dropping" is being allowed (e.g., a curse). But then again, as others have said, why Boogs? And why twice? Which is the more logical - that the same quiet person is cursed twice by two different people, or that Boogs is actually in his right mind this round and has a genuinely good reason to suspect Bullz? Or just in his right mind and suspects Bullz without a genuinely good reason?

Yeah, that's not exactly pinpointing anything, but it's helping me get my thoughts out, and perhaps someone could bounce ideas off with me?

Well, I was thinking of something that might be just the opposite - what if boogs was pretending to be cursed yesterday and today is really cursed. The thing I keep coming back to though is what Long Con said and that's why would anyone curse boogs to begin with.

Maybe I should move away from boogs and ask if anyone has seen anything about bullz that looks baddie? I haven't seen anything.

I am undecided on bullz. Leaning civ, but if I am wrong about llama than I will reconsider that. (and my distrust of Boogs )

Roxy wrote:everyone: sorry I have not been here yesterday or yet today. i had to help my sister who was in crisis. things are calming down except my nerves are shot. i will try later and see how I feel..

fuck the game. take it easy tonight and relax. you know how to get a hold of me if you need me

votes can be changed though Canuck. He always could change his vote if the lynch switched to llama

I agree with this assessment. ^
In fact I will vote llama now

Juliets - yes I would think he is forced or would be punished. It's all a bit weird though. As bullz pointed out, why would someone curse a player who is barely posting? Let alone twice in a row? That is assuming there are two cursers (I'm operating under the assumption double targeting isn't allowed here.) I haven't been cursed at all, nor have a bunch of the alive players, so it really seems weird one of the quieter ones would continuously be targeted. It doesn't add up.

I'm beginning to feel like this is like the SVS vs Made lynch but worse for me. LC and llama have both been compelling, but I feel like I trust LC more. All of this reminds me of a civvie LC. (Actually it reminds me specifically of a game, I can't remember which, where a baddie splints thought it would be fun to try and instigate a quieter LC, and instantly regretted it haha)
Unfortunately for llama, my opinion on several other players depends on me finding out his affiliation.

I am pretty sure that llama and bullz aren't teammates.

How many curse makers are there? Because he was cursed yesterday I thought

Keterman

juliets wrote:Should i know who Herbert is?

Do you?

Boogs, you are going to have to give us more to go off of then that. I don't necessarily trust bullz, but I feel better about him than you atm.I'm trying to work with you but coming in here and saying someone is bad and refusing to back it up with anything doesn't make you look great either.

I agree bullz. Doesn't make sense to me. Like I said it's too convenient. The only reason I can think is that it is his role or a teammates role. He couldn't have anticipated half the players being off the poll. Maybe someone assumed he would be getting some attention that day period

juliets wrote:

fingersplints wrote:EBWOP: I'd add Boogs to list.

I still have him in the bottom of my middle group if that makes sense.

I get you. I just feel like he is falling under the radar with a convenient posting restriction.

EBWOP: I'd add Boogs to list.

mine is the same juliets. My only concern about llama is that Mongoose, I believe, is friends with llama and am worried she took advantage of that and the suspicion on him to buddy up to him in thread. (I don't mean that at all malicious since "take advantage" can sound that way. I'll be the first to admit as a baddie I always find a civvie ally in the thread to try and stick with) Signs are pointing to teammates, but that is just my one concern atm.

(sorry if you are not a he, Keterman)

juliets I think he means that post of his about voting for you was posted clearly after the lynch was over and MM was lynched.
I just assumed he had meant to post it earlier but forgot to submit but from these comments I guess not.
Not sure why a civvie or baddie would do that tbh :/

RIP MM. I felt like some of the votes there were a bit suspicious, and seemed like it was out of nowhere to save Mongoose. Lorab was talking about him for a while, so I think hers could be genuinely misguided.

Actually f it, I'll just vote now and change it if something drastic happens. I might be busy tomorrow and I don't want to risk missing another vote.

vote = Mongoose

I'll likely be voting Mongoose too. Even if I am right about the posting restriction possibly being up to the owner of the role to assign that doesn't explain the weird comments of today. Plus, we don't know if the curser is a civvie or baddie role, so her being targeted doesn't really change my feeling on her behavior.
Plus it seems like she made a mistake and has just given up at this point. (Sorry of this is wrong and it is just that she is busy or something)

Has anyone been keeping track of all these forced votes/posting restrictions? Boogs has only posted a couple smilies today and I'm just interested how that falls in line with the past ones claimed. (Sorry Boogs, not sure I trust your being cursed after you cursed yourself then lied about it in the Hobbit )

I can try and go back and look but if anyone has anything documented already it would be a big help

S~V~S wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I remember back when rabbit played (maybe he still does? haven't heard about him in a long while though) and I used to love to make him post nice things about people.

Ha ha, I remember when your avatar at Hedville was a picture of Rabbit wearing a tiara. Good times He has not been around in a while, he was a monstrous pain in the ass at times, but his awesome outweighed it.

I remember that was when I first joined Hedville and you or Bea said I was going to have some competion for rabbit battles with diggz and PGH. I knew I had to do something big to make my entrance and I found that picture of him in the pictures thread. It was just too perfect to pass up. good times!

I remember back when rabbit played (maybe he still does? haven't heard about him in a long while though) and I used to love to make him post nice things about people.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Now Mongoose voted Canuck... Such weird!

Except the opposite because Canuck's not on the poll.

I haven't been getting the civviest feelings from Mongoose's posts, but my real problem is llama. I have been pretty sure he is civ, but reevaluating if I am super off. People said Mongooses defense of him was strange and possibly forced, but I haven't seen a forced defense before. I do remember in Supernatural being forced to do the opposite and make a case on Tranq. Juliets were you the trickster role in that game? Have others seen roles with forced defense before?

I'm trying to remember which game it was (or games for that matter) but I've definitely seen people be forced to post a lot of ways. It could be we are looking at it wrong and that she wasn't forced to defend llama but only just forced to talk about only him - I have seen that before. (or could be llama has that role and is making up the restrictions and wanted some help in the defense department)

My problem is her posting already seems off today, so if she was restricted in some way the last day period she can't be again today (unless the hosts allow double targeting.)

Boogs wrote:

Nothing else to say??

I'm with you on this one LC. I don't get how she is only "pretty sure" that's where she was going. Wouldn't she know what she was getting at? I'll wait for Mongoose to try and explain more but this doesn't make me feel good about her.