The Syndicate

keys just shared this with me. Thought some of you guys might find this interesting as well:

Epignosis wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Epi was I that stupid spider the whole time or did I ever get upgraded?
Russti came this close to upgrading you to Moblin (he didn't know which person he was upgrading) the Day MR got lynched and did not. I believe that was the ultimate turning point in the game.

I did actually look at some of the puzzles and stuff. I'm just embarrassingly bad at figuring stuff like that out when I feel pressured too :/

I just went on in that speed game about how I hated vanilla civvie roles too! haha I pouted for like a day and swore I was going to play this game less invested because of it. Didn't last

I did get over it and enjoy myself in the end.

I defended llama for a bit for no other reason then I didn't believe he would kill the most talkative players first.

I gotta look back now because I want to see what went down with that triforce. I hadn't really bothered with them, but after I decided I wanted that one, it was all I could think about haha

Epi was I that stupid spider the whole time or did I ever get upgraded?

Snow Dog wrote:Anyone, what time is it now EST?

almost 6:30. post will be about 12 GMT

me.
lame.

good game guys

Snow Dog wrote:
Made wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Made wrote:Holy fuck, Russ is mafia.
Please explain
I rather stall for time I'll explain it at day, if alive, if dead, it's not too hard to figure out from what've said so far.
shame. I need to know now.

My best guess is maybe because no one died in the Dom/Russ lynch? but idk there are other explanations for that as well

I'm not sure I'm willing to ditch faith in Russ now that I've finally abandoned my stubborn suspicion of him

Well I was worried I was going to get NK'd, but it would be such a poor choice for the mafia in light of that information :/ Now I have to worry about the ties

I just noticed this is now my most active topic

I don't know how well the puzzle solving scheme will work Made.

I don't even know why I keep going lol I can't stop myself :/

Ok. There are several people certain at this point. Do you think we all have btsc?

thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Has that always said Murder Park. I think he is toying with us.
It has said "Murder Park" ever since I visited Mongoose in Florida. Inside joke.
Alright well I believe you about that one. I guess I still think that this lynch was pretty telling, and that you have to be bad
I'm not surprised you think that. But I'm not.

When asked who is bad you said "probably" this person. "Maybe" that person. If you were good, there would be no doubt in your mind like the rest of us. I could see maybe questioning who one person is. But to not be sure of any of the three baddies at this point? lol no

I doubt her teammates will agree to lynch her.

thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Has that always said Murder Park. I think he is toying with us.
It has said "Murder Park" ever since I visited Mongoose in Florida. Inside joke.

Alright well I believe you about that one. I guess

I still think that this lynch was pretty telling, and that you have to be bad

? not .

Has that always said Murder Park. I think he is toying with us.

I believe its probably a matter of if the kill goes through tonight.
And don't get enough money to buy items for tonight.
Or items for tomorrow.
So.. umm... yaaaa fingers cross they make some poor choices.

thellama73 wrote:I am so confused.

why bother?

Russtifinko wrote:Ugh. I am so freaking frustrated right now.

Can we FINALLY all agree that I'm on the up-and-up and that Elo is bad? And that Ninja Blooper and llama are extremely extremely likely to be? It might be too late, but we should at least try.

i agree with all of this.

damn I really was hoping peopl would show up in that time :/ gotta go now. here's hoping for the best

I just noticed your guys talk of MR. I'm leaving work soon then will be afk til after the lynch. So need to know what to do

Russ I will never trust you again if you screwed me over :P

I'm switching to Elo now.

When I brought up Elo days ago, it was "I was trying to set her up." Now all of a sudden she is a major lynch candidate. Just seems like its coming out of nowhere. (I know process of elimination at this point yada yada.)
meh I am so unsure atm. Have a couple hours still

I doubt I will be :/

@ Made: There is a difference between people thinking you are a civvie and being confirmed. I think you are; I do not know you are.
I have told you Made, civvies CAN win, but it does require trust and I hope mine is not misplaced. I just worry by acting like everyone knows you are a civvie you are putting off those who may be unsure

@russ: I was annoyed last night and am willing to change if a better argument comes up.

Not really. The strategy he says he is using does not require multiple mafias to be valid.
The mafia won't waste their time NKing someone they think they can lynch in the thread. So you have to straddle a fine line of having some suspicion as to avoid being NKd, but not so much as to be lynched.
unless you mean you don't understand why even make the comment at all? Then I can't help you there. As I said I think made is a civvie, but I also don't understand a lot of his reasoning this game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I was questioning you yesterday for possibly trying to set up someone who I believe to be a civvie. You blew me off then, and are doing it again today when I wanted to discuss and evaluate the suspicion. You said "You don't care about my read on you". How is that civvie minded when our numbers are this low now? Straight up dismissing the thoughts of someone you yourself felt confident enough to want to give a piece of the triforce.
I apologize for making such a stretch yesterday. I was looking for something, and I felt clueless at the time. I don't know why you say that I blew you off. We interacted, and I finally submitted because I agreed that you were probably right. Or are you talking about something else? I'm talking about the llama debate we had.

I'm not trying to blow you off now. But what more can I say aside from "Don't lynch me I'm civ."? I think it would prove better for everyone if you made a case on me and or brought up points for my baddieness. Expecting me to go back and offer evidence of being civ is not something I will do. I believe it is unproductive. Yes I will argue points other players bring up, but that's for you/them to step forward and state first.

I will acknowledge the case you've made. It is brief and unclear though. I know what's going on because I've been involved with our interactions, but others don't necessarily know what's going on. Baddies can take advantage of that, and clueless civs can fall into the trap too.

What "case" this game besides the one that Russ made on me and then abandoned has been very clear and detailed?
I already said when he presented myself that case making and long detailed posts isn't really how I play.

I don't understand why I would bother when I said I didn't feel good about you and your response was you don't care what I think. Or how you don't understand how that is unenecesarily dismissive. I didn't ask you to bring up points why you were a civvie. But i don't see why one wouldn't care why someone they thought was a civvie would think about them. It's a close numbers game at this point and civvies need to stick together. it doesn't make sense to me

Snow Dog wrote:
Made wrote: <snip> Normally I like to not play overtly Civvie in order to avoid death, but this game i decided to just say what I'm thinking, and try not to obfuscate my own allegiance to the civvie cause.
<snip>

This game there is only one mafia team and they know who you are. Either civ or indy but whichever, anyone not them is a target. So this statement makes no sense to me.

I believe he is saying he likes to seem a little suspicious to avoid being NK'd. I do this too sometimes. I still don't believe he is the confirmed civvie he seems to think he is :P

I'm going to bed now. My time to discuss has passed.

I was questioning you yesterday for possibly trying to set up someone who I believe to be a civvie. You blew me off then, and are doing it again today when I wanted to discuss and evaluate the suspicion. You said "You don't care about my read on you". How is that civvie minded when our numbers are this low now? Straight up dismissing the thoughts of someone you yourself felt confident enough to want to give a piece of the triforce.

Alright. Sorry for trying to discuss and figure out who is mafia when I am home tonight then

votes MM
in case I am not able to come online at work tomorrow.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because I'm more worried about catching baddies than I am about defending myself.

Yes, but if you get lynched, you wouldn't have caught any baddies unless you are one

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I have not sent in a single puzzle in for rupees.

The mafia can just pool their rupees right? So the players don't all have to be active, but it seem like at least one would be.
No they cannot

Epignosis wrote:Items
These are items the members of Hyrule can purchase, and are permanent upgrades except where indicated. The Hyrulians cannot pool their rupees.
lol Thanks for a honest answer. Doesn't help me feel good about you but thanks anyways!
I don't care about your read on me at this point. I just want to lynch the right person today.

So why wouldn't you care about my read on you? I might vote for you

Russtifinko wrote: fingers, you should start puzzling! And mafia are the only ones NOT pooling rupees, according to Epi's roles section.

Ya I know. I don't have the time and I am awful at riddles though. I know it isn't an excuse but that is why I made sure before I signed up it wasn't mandatory I did them.
I don't think Ganon is getting enough rupees and I know I am partially to blame for this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I have not sent in a single puzzle in for rupees.

The mafia can just pool their rupees right? So the players don't all have to be active, but it seem like at least one would be.
No they cannot

Epignosis wrote:Items
These are items the members of Hyrule can purchase, and are permanent upgrades except where indicated. The Hyrulians cannot pool their rupees.

lol Thanks for a honest answer. Doesn't help me feel good about you but thanks anyways!

I have not sent in a single puzzle in for rupees.

The mafia can just pool their rupees right? So the players don't all have to be active, but it seem like at least one would be.

Alright. If you want to keep giving unhelpful answers. I'm trying to figure out why you suspect me so maybe I can ease your suspicions a little. Have fun with that I guess

I was talking to llama. You have mentioned me lots, I wasn't be surprised by yours, if only a little bit that I wasn't higher.

linki. but why llama

when did I get to your third spot?

If you are convinced MM and MR are civvies, then who is the third baddie in this Elo/ninjablooper scenario?

Also, thanks for cutting that for relevance. I thought about doing it myself, but I'm pretty lazy like that.

Russtifinko wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Elohcin wrote:RIP Dom.

@ Splints: Maybe Elo what?

Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.
Except the dead ones.
Nope, If there were any dead ones, the piece would be put up for competition to be won again.
Excuse my ignorance (I know I say that often) but is the reason we know Ganon is still alive because the "piece" has not gone up for competition?
I'm trying to figure out who else could be baddies in the highly unlikely situation that MR, MM and Russ are baddies. I still feel good about llama. Made, while I dont always understand his motivation, I can't think of any possible baddie rational behind it. I was serious when I said civvies can win. They just need to work together and I hope I am not misplacing my trust here. (being right about Dom is a small comfort )
so if not those three. You, SD, or ninja

The baddies would have had to get incredibly lucky to get all the guardians by now, Made. So while I agree with your assertion that Ganon is still likely alive. I don't understand your point for making it.
The logic here is pretty great imo.

Hey fingers, on a side note, I don't see a vote from you in the last lynch, nor any explanation about why not. Care to explain and/or state whom you would have voted for?

Are you being sarcastic?

It reads like it could be, so just checking to make sure.

It's been a really busy weekend for me. I only just got "home" I don't get to see my family and friends much since moving out of the country. I'm working full time when home, and since people know I only have a couple of weekends left everyone is scrambling to do fun stuff with me before I leave! I am trying to sponge off people's wifi and post when I can.

I did say who I would have voted for though:

fingersplints wrote:rip Liz. not sure how you got lynched today. really seems random
to whoever said I was teammates with MM, I am absolutely not. When I was questioning him on the llama thing it's because I think he is a baddie, and would have likely gotten my vote today had I not missed it

Elohcin wrote:RIP Dom.

@ Splints: Maybe Elo what?

Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.
Except the dead ones.
Nope, If there were any dead ones, the piece would be put up for competition to be won again.
Excuse my ignorance (I know I say that often) but is the reason we know Ganon is still alive because the "piece" has not gone up for competition?

I'm trying to figure out who else could be baddies in the highly unlikely situation that MR, MM and Russ are baddies. I still feel good about llama. Made, while I dont always understand his motivation, I can't think of any possible baddie rational behind it. I was serious when I said civvies can win. They just need to work together and I hope I am not misplacing my trust here. (being right about Dom is a small comfort

)
so if not those three. You, SD, or ninja

The baddies would have had to get incredibly lucky to get all the guardians by now, Made. So while I agree with your assertion that Ganon is still likely alive. I don't understand your point for making it.

I didn't think the "baddies" could win by triforce. I thought an individual won regardless of affiliation for getting the triforce. Have I been understanding this wrong the whole time?

Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.

Why would people think Ganon is not alive?

RIP Dom. so that Liz lynch clearly wasn't to distract from him? Russ then? seems pretty silly to kill Dom since he was taking heat. So was it actually Russ or did hyrule want me to think it was Russ :/
I also don't feel great about MM and MR.

could all 3 be bad? do you think they are all going to push for each other now for a bit of civvie cred? it's either that or I am seriously wrong about someone else.. Maybe Elo :/

And like I said yesterday, SOMEONE is winning hyrule rupees. One of these guys who has been working hard on these puzzles has to be bad. I'be been pretty lame at earning rupees, and I haven't kept track of who has possibly earned what.

so, it's a bit weird the lynch yesterday. it went from a tie between Russ and Dom to Liz. I think that we should look at who started/subtly pushed the Liz suspicion. We're they saving either of those guys?

Made wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I can get a clue, but I'm not sure what info I want. are we solving it in the thread this time? no one is working on it
I'm 95% sure that giving your hint in chat would be against the rules as you can't share host info, but iunno.

As it stands, there is one question that would all but tell you exactly where one item is.

I kinda wish i knew what the reward was for this, if it's even worth getting...It's annoying because, at least by the way i was able to put the info together, there's a few option for who had what when.

I didn't say I was going to share it

was just curious if we were going to work on it together. I doubt I could do it on my own. but I ran out of time to try anyways ;(

I can get a clue, but I'm not sure what info I want. are we solving it in the thread this time? no one is working on it

zeek wrote:I picked Dragon!

me too!

I hate no lynches as well, but with how man civvies we have lynched I don't think we can just use lynches to gain information at this point.

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