The Syndicate

ARGHHHH so I'm all for lynching either MM or trice now, the latter a lot for this (among other reasons read, although not as compelling and beautifully tinfoil-y):

Boomslang wrote:Fun fact: Lorab only started posting in "sad" and "sadness" acronyms after Trice used the Donald Trump syntax.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Crooked Epignosis thinks he can keep throwing whoppers after a civvie insanified him, sad!

I have no idea if that means anything, but it's just funky enough that it tickles my brain.

Linki w/MP: And my half-baked theory is that Trice triggered Lorab's curse with that post.
Linki w/MP2: Uh, starting a lynch this late? Do you really not believe in either of the big trains going right now, or are you conveniently copping out of culpability?
Linki w/Scotty: DAMMIT I TYPE SLOW

Whoa. Nice catch! I refuse to ignore stuff that stands out like that, and this smells so bad. I see the other reasons (as far as I can tell) are for general snark and not doing much baddie hunting. Similar to MM, except I feel more strongly about MM from the last time I voted because of those reasons. My only reservation is the sudden train catching on for MM (like a possible save?), but...I think, because I'm starving and do have that stronger conviction towards MM at the moment (and he appears to have a convenient curse/"curse" on him), I'll go that way today.

Linki - DAMN YOU AND ALL OF YOUR LINKI

Okay what the hell, why are there so many cursed people? This thread is hard to read. Makes me wonder again (whether or not I posted this opinion) how many of these "curses" are real.

I'm going to read what I can, but I'm tired and starving and can only hold out for so long before I pass out. I see trice is getting votes, and am curious why. Still feeling an MM vote carrying over from last Day. Let's see what happens. Back in a flash.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I decided to check my data compilation to see if I could assess trends among the lowest contributory tier of players in Syndicate Mafia games, as a way of qualifying any assumptions about A Person in this game. He has made 6 posts and we're about to complete the 3rd day phase. If he doesn't post again through the night, that'd be 2 posts per cycle. This is a statistic I have tracked for nearly every game played so far in 2016.

Alignment counts for players who have finished a game at or below 2 posts per cycle this year:

Good -- 11

Bad -- 9

Independent -- 5

This is a count of 25 players in the games I have tracked (17 or 18) whose rate of contribution has been comparable to A Person's so far in this game. 44% of them were purely good and 36% of them were purely bad. The indies can be judged as a gray area since their win conditions vary so much. This ratio is a lot closer than it would be if non-contributor alignments were arranged at random in accordance with typical starting rations between good and bad. In that regard, it means people who play like A Person is playing have been baddies more often than randomness would indicate -- suggesting lynching him wouldn't entirely be a guess.

The sample size isn't large enough to make a concrete assertion and stamp it into Mafia law, but it's enough to make me reconsider my prior statement that baddies don't want to let their team mates down by giving nothing to the game. There's clearly a precedent for that.

Good or bad, dude, I just want to applaud this science That's dedication.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:timmer: the timing thing. Right now, it's the scummiest thing I've seen.

nijuu: her Day 2 vote. She voted Scotty because other people were talking about him, not because she read him as bad.
MP: He claimed that my accusation against timmer based on timing is historically inaccurate, but could not come up with an example (these two things don't go together)
sig: Similar to nijuu, his Day 2 vote.

Ninja suspicion - factually incorrect

nijuukyugou wrote:Trice: Seems like Epi vote was a placeholder at first, but morphed into a "real" vote (as in, one that stuck) after responding to people's questioning the train. I see his reasoning (Epi's lack of on-topic posts, frustration at the song gimmick, etc.) although I disagree with it. Appears like a genuine vote (I wanted to be more eloquent, but I'm running out of steam after a long day).

Wilgy: Errrrrr...why are people saying Scotty's vote is the most suspicious on this train? I get that Wilgy's a nut, but Wilgy offers literally no reasoning for his vote except #lynchepi. So, yeah, that first question is a genuine question. Answer it.

Scotty: From reading his posts on Days 0 and 1 (according to the headings), it appeared like he would vote one of his "gut-baddie" reads (JJJ, Sloonei, actually votes BWT as a changeable vote), but votes Epi. I see that he said vote "something that matters," which I assume is a vote somewhere that already had votes, and he didn't go with INH because...well, actually, I'm not sure why, more than Epi. Gave a bit of a vouch as far as INH's content, but said it could've been suspicious by trying to look good? Anyway, his Epi vote, as others have said, is pretty weird. However, he is helping insanified Golden currently, which looks helpful and civ to me, barring weirdness behind the scenes.

So, I suppose what I get from that is Trice's vote looks the most genuine, Wilgy's absolute nonsense (not helpful), and Scotty's disingenuous. Discuss.

MP suspicion - daft. I came up with an example immediately (LC hounding me about what I did in 17 minutes in Bullets Over Broadway). Why does MP need to come up with a different one? Especially when your Timmer suspicion is the most contrived thing that this game has seen (and is my primary reason for suspecting you) - you completely ignored everything else timmer had said and done.

Sig suspicion - apparently 'similar to ninja', but the ninja suspicion was wrong, and how similar was it?

It just felt like you pulled three names taking a little heat out of the air and said whatever you could think of.

Yeah, gonna have to agree with this real hard. You've been suspecting me (and others, but I of course notice attention on me more than anything, cheesecake ) all game, yet fail to produce viable evidence for the majority, and then post a "suspicion" that's blatantly false info. I was going to respond to it until I noticed Golden did the work for me.

I'll be hanging around a bit, but I'm putting my vote on MM right now.

Ugh. Long fucking day. Long fucking week. Thank god tomorrow is Friday. But it is Thursday, and it is the first half of the lynch day, and I don't want to go without posting and trying to keep up. I will respond to this tonight, and see where I go from there (I do, after all, have cookies cooling on the counter that need frosting in about 15 minutes :P )

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:nijuukyugou, both of your votes on the first two days have landed on outlier wagons which were unlikely to develop into lynches.

nijuukyugou wrote:My apologies - I've been busier/more tired than I thought the past two days, and am currently out enjoying tasty Mediterranean, so haven't had time to do the insightful investigation I wanted, nor do I have it now. Gonna vote JJJ because he's tricky and reactions to said vote may give me good insight/info. May the reactions commence!

Back to foods now.

nijuukyugou wrote:I agree with this today - I can at least vouch for the busy-ness as defense.

I've gotta do a thing for work for the next (hopefully NOT!) two hours, starting in the next 8 minutes, so I gotta vote. I also don't like the trains going on so far - votes for A Person, what I noticed, are either for being inactive or for a comment about "killing off the actives," which I took as a joke. Not good baddie hunting, IMO. The others with votes? Not feeling strongly enough about any of them to go their way, although I'd really like to take a look at slippery JJJ again, especially when he's not cursed/"cursed."

Anyway, going off my pathetic ISO (but at least it was an ISO of some sort), I'm going to vote Scotty (tough call with Wilgy in there, too). People keep mentioning that his vote for Epi was suspicious, but not acting on it, so I suppose I'll do it.

Now, time to monitor fundraising!

Linki - Really? Because it sounds like AP not wanting to read anything. Like, not for any particular reason - just that he doesn't feel like reading a massive thread. Quite a negative way to put it, though, I'll agree, but seems too easy.

In the first one, you assert there's a reaction-oriented directive and I don't believe you followed up on that. Questions:

~ What did your vote for me on Day 1 tell you about me or anyone else?
~ Why did you elect to vote for Scotty over Wilgy (you called it a "tough call")?
~ What are you referring to when you call me "tricky" and "slippery" in each of these posts? I feel like Hillary Clinton.

1) More than anything, with that vote (besides, y'know, catching a baddie), I was hoping to get stupid bandwagon-y/low-hanging fruit reactions for a "weird" vote. Reactions: MP called it a throwaway. Meh. Don't like that. No vote in a changeable vote system is a throwaway, especially at EoD. (I should say, I don't like that it's called that. I feel pretty good about MP, actually, which...now makes me feel like I should really look back at him, lol.) You reacted in such a way as to point out its "reaction-baiting" as being ineffective, which is a good point, I suppose. Then again, it did get you talking, didn't it? :P But as far as I can see, that's pretty much the reaction it got, probably because of your point. One of the downsides of being a ninja Blooper is not getting a reaction/response to ninja posts when I want them, alas.

2) Straight up, it was nearly a coin flip. I even nearly switched to Wilgy when I could check in later during that stupid work thing, but I kept it on Scotty. What tipped it, I suppose, was the fact that while Wilgy was being weird Wilgy (and, alas, good weird Wilgy), Scotty had suspicious behavior that I and others pointed out, yet not many people were acting on those suspicions, and I wanted to do so. I like going after what's under the surface because it's so easy to hide.

3) Transistor. Is it anything in particular in this game? Not at the moment, and I keep wanting to take a look back at you, but a) I am doing more work than expected before the holidays and b) you have a ridiculous amount of posts to ISO. I'd like to get to it. I plan to get to it. You give me the same vibe now that LC gives me after he bamboozled me in Monty Python, and I will never take the eye off of you. Ever. Take it as a compliment, you bad good baddie goodie whatever you are, you.

That's all for now. Hope to get more caught up in bits and pieces tomorrow if I get breaks, and have a more solid vote reasoning than I have been. Suggestions welcome.

Linki - Oooh, I see GTH! And colors!

Malt malt malt malt

(Will catch up and respond to inquiries later)

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I have to leave to take a final, but do you guys need any more than this?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Linki: Casual glance at timmer reads authentic to me as well. The "also" and "also also" construction in his post is more casual than a baddie might use when discussing the finer points of strategy.

Boomslang wrote:Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

Boomslang wrote:RIP, INH. Honestly, I hadn't spent much time looking at you or your case. I apologize for not further substantiating my thoughts on MM, but JJJ's explanation is pretty much my train of thought. Using a weak, time-based rationale that would've made the most sense for a timmer vote to vote me. I'll have to look at MM more closely in the next day phase.

Boomslang wrote:Arrrgh, I thought I could catch up tonight. Making a long story short, I have a surprise job interview in middle-of-nowhere North Carolina that will eat up the rest of my day/early evening. Gonna vote Timmer because I disagree with the main wagons and think it would at least yield info on MM. I know this is a drive-by, but I don't have time for more.

He read timmer as town yesterday and voted for me. Then today he voted for timmer, with the hope of getting information about me.

Jay can't talk, but he can pull quotes with the best of them.

Don't Touch the Boomerang...I'm Warning You Real Good

I agree with this today - I can at least vouch for the busy-ness as defense.

I've gotta do a thing for work for the next (hopefully NOT!) two hours, starting in the next 8 minutes, so I gotta vote. I also don't like the trains going on so far - votes for A Person, what I noticed, are either for being inactive or for a comment about "killing off the actives," which I took as a joke. Not good baddie hunting, IMO. The others with votes? Not feeling strongly enough about any of them to go their way, although I'd really like to take a look at slippery JJJ again, especially when he's not cursed/"cursed."

Anyway, going off my pathetic ISO (but at least it was an ISO of some sort), I'm going to vote Scotty (tough call with Wilgy in there, too). People keep mentioning that his vote for Epi was suspicious, but not acting on it, so I suppose I'll do it.

Now, time to monitor fundraising!

Linki - Really? Because it sounds like AP not wanting to read anything. Like, not for any particular reason - just that he doesn't feel like reading a massive thread. Quite a negative way to put it, though, I'll agree, but seems too easy.

DrWilgy wrote:But bloops... I don't have time to read the thread and am only seeing bits and pieces.

I'm not going to pretend that I've read all of Epi's posts, but what I have read I gut read as bad.

Blooper Friend gth me.

GTH? Bad. Not confidently so, but them's the breaks. It looks like a cop-out vote, and if you're picking bits and pieces, Epi's is an easy one to go for since he's only been posting in hypothetical song titles. Are you one to go for easy pickings?

Mmmmk, notes from reading those ISOs (and I'm reading mostly starting from Day 1 unless one of those posts warranted looking back at Day 0, because time):

Trice: Seems like Epi vote was a placeholder at first, but morphed into a "real" vote (as in, one that stuck) after responding to people's questioning the train. I see his reasoning (Epi's lack of on-topic posts, frustration at the song gimmick, etc.) although I disagree with it. Appears like a genuine vote (I wanted to be more eloquent, but I'm running out of steam after a long day).

Wilgy: Errrrrr...why are people saying Scotty's vote is the most suspicious on this train? I get that Wilgy's a nut, but Wilgy offers literally no reasoning for his vote except #lynchepi. So, yeah, that first question is a genuine question. Answer it.

Scotty: From reading his posts on Days 0 and 1 (according to the headings), it appeared like he would vote one of his "gut-baddie" reads (JJJ, Sloonei, actually votes BWT as a changeable vote), but votes Epi. I see that he said vote "something that matters," which I assume is a vote somewhere that already had votes, and he didn't go with INH because...well, actually, I'm not sure why, more than Epi. Gave a bit of a vouch as far as INH's content, but said it could've been suspicious by trying to look good? Anyway, his Epi vote, as others have said, is pretty weird. However, he is helping insanified Golden currently, which looks helpful and civ to me, barring weirdness behind the scenes.

So, I suppose what I get from that is Trice's vote looks the most genuine, Wilgy's absolute nonsense (not helpful), and Scotty's disingenuous. Discuss.

Blooper out for now. So tired.

Linki - ...Dammit, this is interesting discussion. Faked curses? Hmmm.

Linki - Ummm, stop and lemme post?

I'm gonna start with ISO'ing Epi votes, since I didn't even know that was a train (shows how much I've been paying attention, lol) and it stands out to me because of that reason (unexpected). It's probably all I'll be able to get through for tonight, but it's a start, I suppose.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Getting a bit of a free moment and catching up, as I've dug myself into the "never catch up" hold and don't intend to go back and read 25 pages. I've read the last five pages and will probably do more ISO reading than anything. I think I'll try looking at the polls a bit and move backwards from there.

Voting for the Bloops until you provide some juicy content as you've hinted.

Neat! :P But yeah, light the fire under the tentacles - I need it.

Getting a bit of a free moment and catching up, as I've dug myself into the "never catch up" hold and don't intend to go back and read 25 pages. I've read the last five pages and will probably do more ISO reading than anything. I think I'll try looking at the polls a bit and move backwards from there.

Mmmmmm, malt.

My apologies - I've been busier/more tired than I thought the past two days, and am currently out enjoying tasty Mediterranean, so haven't had time to do the insightful investigation I wanted, nor do I have it now. Gonna vote JJJ because he's tricky and reactions to said vote may give me good insight/info. May the reactions commence!

Back to foods now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:I agree with your boomslang read, MP.

I'm not understanding your read on Jay, though. I don't really see him throwing out 'questions that need to be asked'. I see him trying to undermine people who have expressed shady reads of him, and not much more.

The question Jay asked of me was in essence the same question MP asked of me, but with less neutrality and more of an angle about his perception of how I should act (and so, painting my behaviour in a negative light). MP, without agenda, just asked me to explain my mindset. Completely different.

I don't trust Jay at all.

Maybe I'm being blindsided here. I think I need to ISO Jay at some point to clarify my thoughts on him, because my gut was finding him increasingly yucky for most of the game until recently, and since then I've felt he seems reasonable and genuine.

Never let him out of your sight #neverforgettransistor

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

Talk to me more about this. What's a ninja-like post?

The best kind of post

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

Baskets of Eggs

I can understand. That's the reaction I anticipated from at least some people. I would say the material in this thread became less about strategy and more about reads over the latter half of Day 0. In any event there's readable material happening right now so gimme da goods.

I shall do this thing with more gusto, methinks, when I am more rested and my head doesn't hurt. I am glad to actually be going back and forth with y'all in real time, though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

I think there is plenty of worthwhile material by which to start making reads buried in there, but that's just me.

This is probably true. I also wanted to jump in and see what I'd get in the next day (actual day, not game Day - the days during the Day :P ) or so without having to read every post from Day 0. I'll do a combination of both.

As for at least something I notice, MP is more talkative than he has been in a while, and...the player list is awesome? Shit, yeah, need to read when less tired.

Linki - A POX UPON ALL YOUR LINKI

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

Current reads:
Golden - Town. Casual enough in the defense of my poke on him, good prodding of JJJ, sticking his neck out early with the hot takes.
Sloonei - Town. Strong reads, logic I agree with about JJJ, seems to be having fun.
Dom - Town. There are some inconsistencies in his post style, mostly capitalization, that suggest he's not overanalyzing his stuff, and I don't think he'd be so... short tempered, perhaps, if he were overly concerned about drawing votes.
BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

I'm not declaring you as my highest priority to be lynched, by the way, just parking my vote as I lay some pressure down to feel you out.

What strong reads would you say Sloonei has?

What makes BWT's contradictions nefarious? You can point to just one example if you'd like.

What about Sloonei's case specifically is compelling?

How do you feel about Scotty?

And I've posted more than anyone else in this entire game, yet you don't list me. Why?

I'll move my vote off you for now though. I'm voting Blooper because she seems eager to start the game and yet hasn't done anything yet.

I'm eager to play. The game has started. And I have read pages. "Anything" is a strong word, sir.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

Placeholder post, since I have missed out on several pages. Geez, people. Day 0.

I'll catch up later tonight - had a mind-numbing (but very productive) workday yesterday, and need to do my grading and school crap before I dive into the rabbit hole of mafia reading :P Just figured I'd check in!

First I watch Stranger Things, and then I listen to that host post. I'm officially creeped out :P Gonna bake some cookies to lighten my mood, methinks

Yay, game!