The Syndicate

I told y'all I was good and busy :P And I thought something was fishy with so many people buddying up to me Note to self: trust no one, ever. I think I say this every game I get bamboozled...ah well

Good game, everyone! Thanks, hosts!

Question for the host(s): Can a piggy self-target? Or anyone, for that matter?

Whyyyyy did that post twice ugh

Why did suspicion of Lorab drop? I was waiting to see if I needed to save myself (also I'm in the grocery store parking lot lol) but now I'm just concerned about enthusiasm for anyone in general at this stage, given the ratios. I said I was suspicious of her for blending in last time and jumping on cases like she is now, so voting there. Sorry for the spread, but bandwagons haven't been doing us favors.

Why did suspicion of Lorab drop? I was waiting to see if I needed to save myself (also I'm in the grocery store parking lot lol) but now I'm just concerned about enthusiasm for anyone in general at this stage, given the ratios. I said I was suspicious of her for blending in last time and jumping on cases like she is now, so voting there. Sorry for the spread, but bandwagons haven't been doing us favors.

Ahhhhh geez, you couldn't wait 5 more minutes? :P

Good lord.

You are right - I have been flying by nearly inactive this game. I haven't been contributing much, my votes have been less than ideal and not very well-thought-out, and I've been a mediocre-at-best civ. But I am a civ. So, I'm going to sound like I'm making excuses, but take it as you will. Over the summer, you've (and I have, honestly) gotten used to an active, analyzing, contributing Blooper. This is because for two months, I have no obligation to anything except traveling at my leisure and making sure I don't spend all of my summer money, which means I can mafia to my heart's content. This game started just as I started work again, and my workload and stress level has skyrocketed for various reasons that I won't go into detail here (mostly just being stupid busy with paperwork, planning classes I haven't ever taught, etc.). With that, my level of attention to a game has very much decreased, which obviously shows in my play this game.

There's also a suspicion that "when Blooper's bad, she's quiet." What do y'all think I am, a one-trick pony? I used up my quiet mafia card a while ago because, well, people notice it after a while :P And when I'm on a team, I'm much more concerned about my gameplay because I'm on a team, whereas this game, my game has been so crappy that...well, I tried to think of some clever ending to that, but it's just been crappy, and I'd be embarrassed for my team. I'm already embarrassed for my fellow civs.

Anyway, that's that defense. If anyone has a particular issue/suspicion they'd like addressed, I'll try to do so. For now, I have to think of who I should vote and, like others, I'm super wary because of how badly these last days have gone.

Mmmmk, there's a lot of nonsense being spouted today. Nonsense, I tells ya!

Russtifinko wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

I agree with all of this. This Golden Egg business is pure horse manure. For what it's worth, I'll say it right now - my Golden Egg power was exactly what Simon said it was, and lasted for a Day and a Night. The end. There is no passing mechanism, and if there were, I have no one to pass it to.

Elohcin wrote:I think we ought to vote blooper for the same reason you voted lacey, llama. Why would anyone want to take her off the pole unless she was bad?

To create exactly this confusion/suspicion. But since I am off the poll, I'll just leave it there for now. Thanks, baddies!

llama's play has been making me itchy for much of the game, and I agree with Russ that it's just not...logical llama to say this business with the Golden Eggs. It's somewhat logical for him to call me out for being quiet, and to say I'm bad because of it, but it's weak. However, I am hesitant for three reasons: one, because it seems...too easy. Two, in recent games, llama has been annoyed at other players' dependence on his cases to let them coast along, so I'm actually not surprised to see him not making as many cases and making the comment about quieter people needing to step up "before" him. Three, llama would be the type to be the bomb-y bird, and try to be as not-civ-friendly llama as possible to blow someone up for poops and giggles as punishment for lynching him :P

Lorab is being blendy and jumping on easy pickings, as others have pointed out, and her jumping on my case so soon after a) I'm taken off the poll and b) llama mentions me makes me feel worse about her.

Tough call for me, all in all. One of them will do fine for me for my vote.

Linki - Ah, two votes for Lorab! Still tough call. But screw it - I'll vote llama. Lock and load!

Just got home. 8.5% beer. Long week. Nap now. Post later.

It's been busy, and this evening's stupid busy in a good way, but I gotta get ready to go.

I like MP's points about Made. It was pointed out by someone that he had exactly 4 baddies in The Game, which I didn't notice at the time but find very unusual and calculated, like the person who said it. I was also thinking that while talking like Ice Bear amuses me and civs will pull that stuff for fun (and Made would be the type to pull it), it's also a way for baddies to avoid suspicion in plain sight. I know these things have been said; I'm simply agreeing. We'll get info from Made. So voting that way.

Sorry for being so rushed and dropping in and out for this game - I'm still getting used to not choosing my own schedule and it kinda hurts :P

Out of the people taking votes today (and I know I don't necessarily have to vote towards popular vote, but I've procrastinated too long on my vote to make a huge difference), TBubbles is most worthy of my vote for drive-bys and inactivity. As I said before, I'm torn with Eloh, more so than with TBubbles, and I've changed my tune on splints. I do feel itchy about llama, and perhaps it's because I'm so used to llama talking and he's gone, but I'd certainly like to hear what he has to say about what's happened so far, and about his votes so far in the game that he hasn't been able to explain due to being away before I vote him. Anyway, I should stop babbling and cast a vote.

Good god it's been a long day. I'm not used to being up for so many daylight hours. First day of school hurts, exhaustion-wise. Responses and a little streeeeeeeeeeam of consciousness

Elohcin wrote:I guess I read your question about blooper as suspicion of her and then when MM says he thinks she is genuine, then you are quick to agree with him saying that was your opinion the whole time too. Your post doesn't read genuine to me. I am wondering if we ought to look at quiet players b/c of the no night action thing Night 1. I know that diasy could have used her power night one, but if I were in her shoes, I don't think I would have done that. I would have waited until a more crucial time in the game. What is everyone's thoughts on this?

I disagree, especially with the flak Daisy was taking with her first vote. It's an awesome power, and a lot of people like to use their awesome powers as early as possible just in case they die. In general, too, I think it's more likely that that power was used rather than a situation where an entire baddie team missed their actions.

Boomslang wrote:RIP, boo. So it goes :/. But this thread has been really quiet tonight... too quiet. Time to start some things :P

Blooper, has the death of boo helped you reconcile your number of mafia suspects with the number of actual mafia?
Russ, you didn't post at all Day 2. What are your thoughts?
Elo, you mentioned wanting to look at quiet players today; who's highest on the list?

Well, it served to confirm that he isn't bad, unless something totally effed up :P But it doesn't reconcile much as far as numbers, at least the kill alone. Other things have made me rethink some of my suspicions.

Haven't been called "blendy" in a while. I can attribute that to a majorly increased RL workload and not as much effort into baddie hunting, for which I apologize. But I have been thinking about my votes, more so than several people.

I'm feeling better about splints. Her recent posts haven't seemed as (dare I use the word again? :P ) opportunistic/blendy as her play in BoB. She has been more helpful, especially in regards to discussing DF's behavior and behavior in general. I also feel better because, as it was said by FZ. (boy, we are agreeing a lot, aren't we?), ever since suspicion was brought up about her, other, quieter players have latched onto it.

I'm going to end up repeating what others have said, but oh well. I don't like Bubbles' drive-by votes. I was also a bit confused by this opinion:

FZ. wrote:RIP Boo Even though I wasn't 100% sure you were a civ, you are definitely a loss for the game.

I'm not sure I agree with voting for Bubbles. Even though her drive by votes are seriously annoying, I don't think it's enough to make me vote for her. If she's a lazy mafia, like MP thinks, then I'd rather find a different mafia. In my book, if you lose to a non participant baddie, it's like you win, because that's just lame. It's bad when you're a civvie too, but non participant players help the baddies, and not the other way around. Just my two cents on the matter. If she ends up being bad, we've taken another civvie down.


Now, can we just once make a thought out lynch?

I'm going to go over the players again.

Was it a typo when you said "if she ends up being bad, we've taken another civvie down"? Or are you saying that lynching a non-participant baddie instead of a participating one is just as bad as lynching a civ? Just wanting clarification, as it would be a strange thing to say if it is the latter.

I agree that Eloh has said a lot about not being active, but hasn't said much as far as contributing to finding baddies. However, I also know that she is one busy lady, so I believe her real life excuses. Soooooo...I'm torn on her. Someone else mentioned that either MM or llama would be ones to force MP to vote himself twice for amusement, and I totally agree. I'd like to see what llama has to say when he returns. MM has been pretty buddy-buddy with me, too, which that and the fact that I don't feel like he's bad makes me...want to rethink him.

Well, dangit. Congratulations, me - I've made myself more paranoid than ever. I feel like I have lots of information but I don't know what to do with it. I will think about these things in regards to my vote today.

I like when numbers add up and match. It makes me physically uncomfortable when they don't.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do players think of the fact that Blooper was hyper-concerned about having too many mafia reads? Did her reads seem to develop organically or in a genuine fashion or did they seem forced?

I hardly call it "hyper concerned." Just paranoid of almost everyone

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(My numbers definitely do not add up)

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(oooh, interesting. My numbers may not add up, but this is a game, no?)

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I AM NOW POSTING IN QUADRUPLE DIGITS

I need to get out more

Hmmm. The gods of grammar have not blessed me this evening with their infinite wisdom. Apologies.

I'mma make this interesting, because I've been into that lately here.

I have enough weird feelings about Daisy based on her drive-by vote for Made, and others make points about her bandwagoning on Scotty, to give her a vote, so I'm gonna tie it up and see what happens. Let the games begin.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Drive-by votes are not cool.

Says the self voter :P

But agreed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:To respond to other things game-related, yeah, I agree that lots of weird stuff has happened in this game in comparison to what I've been used to lately. Very spread votes. Prevalence of self-voting not committed by a marmot. I had something else in mind to say, since I like threes, but I forgot.

I see where llama's coming from with voting for someone inactive after no night kill, and now I finally see where the conversation was going about blocking, etc. (I didn't read Mighty Eagle's role carefully). I guess my question to myself is, what is more likely - that Mighty Eagle used his one-time awesome power on Night 1, but had a chance of blocking a potentially very bad BTSC situation, or that our baddie team is composed of mostly inactives? As others have mentioned, several people seemed to have missed night actions, which would coincide with being blocked. I'm going to lean towards the former, but I see where llama's coming from, like I said. Taking a chance.

Daisy's drive-by vote looks terrible, but would she be that clumsy? I guess if she were busy enough.

I thought talking it out would help me pick who to vote for, but now I have to think more. Dangit.

Afraid to play the game?

Nope - was waiting on the game, whatever it is!

To respond to other things game-related, yeah, I agree that lots of weird stuff has happened in this game in comparison to what I've been used to lately. Very spread votes. Prevalence of self-voting not committed by a marmot. I had something else in mind to say, since I like threes, but I forgot.

I see where llama's coming from with voting for someone inactive after no night kill, and now I finally see where the conversation was going about blocking, etc. (I didn't read Mighty Eagle's role carefully). I guess my question to myself is, what is more likely - that Mighty Eagle used his one-time awesome power on Night 1, but had a chance of blocking a potentially very bad BTSC situation, or that our baddie team is composed of mostly inactives? As others have mentioned, several people seemed to have missed night actions, which would coincide with being blocked. I'm going to lean towards the former, but I see where llama's coming from, like I said. Taking a chance.

Daisy's drive-by vote looks terrible, but would she be that clumsy? I guess if she were busy enough.

I thought talking it out would help me pick who to vote for, but now I have to think more. Dangit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If enough folks are around and can be active for the next 20 minutes (???) or so, we can play a game. Who wants in?

What is this game of which you speak? Caught up after making dinner. Mmmm, fried green tomatoes.

Well, I gotta vote, so I'll go with splints.

fingersplints wrote:I don't see how I am "jumping on a bandwagon" by agreeing with someone. I disagree that MM is an easy target. He has been surviving longer lately for that reason, and just lasted til the end in the last game I play. (or at least longer then I did)
I find both nijuu and FZ hypocritical. nijuu "jumped on the bandwagon of me" (since she says me agreeing with one persons suspicion as jumping on the bandwagon, then her agreeing with one persons suspicion of me is the same). FZ's argument that I was taking a noncommittal stance could be used to apply every suspicion that doesn't have a vote cast with it. How was I even noncommittal? I think I took a pretty clear stance on the issue.
Anyways I am voting for MM. Not because "weird" behaviour, but because I think he is acting suspicious.

My question is, to you, what is the difference between MM having "weird behavior" and being "suspicious"? You didn't really explain what exactly was more suspicious than usual, only that he is suspicious, which is what caught my eye. Can you elaborate?

Hmm.

I like Ice Bear's style, but I don't like his going after MM already for "weirdness." Guy's been lynched Day 1 so many times lately for "weird" behavior. He's always weird. Don't like that splints jumped on the suspicion, either. Too easy.

I've never played with boo (or at least I don't remember doing so), so I don't know or recognize any style from him. I see him getting frustrated with Russti for not reading carefully and posting, among other things.

Most everything else I've read has been silliness (votes on "hunches" and "creating ties"), which I will not overthink today. Or underthink? No, overthink is right. No overthinking today. That's all for now.

I prefer mine over easy.

Reading and catching up on (bless you all!) two pages. Stand by.

Woo, yay, game! Two votes for me? I'm touched

I'll vote Eloh because without her, this game would not be possible

and Epi too I guess but who cares