The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Long Con wrote:Unsurprising that I was right about Wilgy. Mafia, did you kill me because I was after Nijuu too much?

Nah - everyone was after me by then :P

What happened to that??

Nothing and everything

thellama73 wrote:I think, more than any other game I've played, I earned this victory.

Long Con wrote:Unsurprising that I was right about Wilgy. Mafia, did you kill me because I was after Nijuu too much?

Nah - everyone was after me by then :P

DrWilgy wrote:Oh wait... Dom is silenced... Meaning if niju is civ and doesn't show up civs lose... Regardless.

Really? REALLY? And with that deduction, you'd just leave the vote on me?

Let's not do the losing thing.

G-Man wrote:I feel more strongly about Niju than Eloh. I still can't help but think an overwhelmed and busy civ would ask to be replaced.

This is a good point for some players, but not in my case. In all of the mafia games I've ever played, I've only asked to be replaced once, in Monopoly. It was scheduled at a busy time at my old job that I absolutely hated (I quit a few months later), it was ENORMOUS, and I had no idea what was going on with the mechanics of that game, nor did I have the time or energy to figure it out, on top of playing the actual game of mafia. I had to completely stop playing, and apparently never got replaced. I no longer sign up for games with super funky mystery mechanics like that.

Otherwise, if I commit to a game, I commit to a game, regardless of what role I happen to get, and regardless of how unpredictably busy or exhausted I get (which...tends to happen a lot. Yay, teaching! Should be predictable by now...). This is why I'll be going on a break after this one (until summer most likely), so I can actually do games more justice.

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:So... Have we noticed the trend of kills?

They keep murking players that keep the former wagons in tact. Baddies are ok with the way things are going and don't want to see a shift.

Niju must be spared today.

Who isn't okay with lynching Nju but you?

*jumps up and raises hand* Me, me! Ooh, pick me!

Dom wrote:Nju, who do you think we should lymch?


Same question for you Elo.

I feel a bit lost, but I do have thoughts.

Regarding myself, I coasted in the first part of the game, resulting in crappy posting and even crappier votes, and enough suspicion on me to garner votes, thus resulting in my having to save myself rather than think as critically as I'd like (resulting in - surprise! More crappy votes). The one day I was taken off the poll late-game, we caught a baddie. I was able to think more rather than think about saving myself.

The last lynch reminded me a lot of a particular day of BoB when the lynch was down to me and Bass, and Bass lost and came up (rather, "Seemed") civ. I was civ (the non-seeming kind). Either way, the baddies were able to make it so they would "win" either way - Bass voters looked bad because it appeared they lynched a civ, and I looked bad because...well, I was the second choice and appeared to be the "right" option versus the lynched civ. Thankfully, I was not lynched the next day, or any other day after that. I guess what I'm saying is last lynch, though with less people, was between two civs, designed to create a win-win for baddies. I'll keep repeating it: I was whisked off the poll the DF lynch day for good reason. Don't screw this up. Don't be duped.

Regarding others that stand out to me (mostly from the last lynch), Eloh's sideways vote for Sorsha in the last lynch looked sketchy as hell, but considering the actual lynch results, not as sketchy as it looked at the time. It was a way to avoid being on either lynch train, which was odd, but it would also be quite a risk to make herself so visible. Still, it's too close to endgame to brush that aside as impossible, especially considering the sketchy DF lynch day, too.

Sorsha's vote change was weird, too, about the same level of sketchy as Eloh. I understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to spread too much so late), but it's like the opposite kind of sketchy from Eloh - weird, but also draws risky attention. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, however.

G-man looks the sketchiest to me thread-wise, especially in conversing with SVS during and after the last lynch. He waffles like crazy, talking himself in and out of voting (and I may be biased, since I was one of the choices and did not want to die), then immediately speculates after the lynch that he thought zebra was Oshira. SVS comments on this weirdness nicely:

S~V~S wrote:

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Gman "I had her penciled down as raddish bro" but you didn't fight for her?

I didn't want to
Give the baddies any clues
If she was Radish

But you were OK with her being dead, so long as any of the baddies had no clues about her role?

When you & I were talking, I clearly said I was considering a vote for her and you did not try to talk me out of it. You actually said this:

G-Man wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You feel so helpless you don't have an opinion?

I feel helpless 'cause
Both Zebra and Niju are
Just 50-50

I like a little
More certainty when I vote
Even if I'm wrong

Granted, he did vote me instead , but the reasoning with not talking SVS out of it is weird. So weird. More subtly weird than the sketchy votes above, at least IMO, like he was backtracking? Like he was trying to sound/look helpful, but then having it shut down by SVS and Wilgy. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, but behavior is weirder and is making me itchy. He nicely avoided the last lynch in the end, too. Hmm...

As for others that don't stand out as much as bad, Dom voted first on zebra, which could be bad, but his going after DF throughout the game looks good. Wilgy acts weird, and I waffle between his being the Stink Spirit and bad (the voting behavior and tone is certainly not civ, or any civ I've ever seen), but he's not giving me the same vibes as those above. SVS has been bear-ified twice. Sure, this could be major baddie team self-targeting, but that seems a little overkill...

Argh. This is aggravating, and I feel like I'm starting to ramble, so I'm gonna stop. At this point, I'm most likely to vote Eloh (for behavior last two votes/vote record throughout the game) or G-man (for behavior stated and votes), followed by Sorsha. The others are tinfoil suspicions to the max. I'm hoping I don't have to try saving myself again, but that's likely, considering the conversations in the thread. But those are my thoughts. I'm gonna go ahead and put a vote on G-Man, after talking myself through that. I'll return at some point, tomorrow for sure, but now I've spent too long on this site and should probably do other things.

G-Man wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.

**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?

Whoever believes in you strongly enough to take you off the poll also believes in Niju enough to take her off the poll. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just going with the likely lynch options for the following day.

Why would someone do that?

To get people off of "easy" votes. For fun. The same reason why people like to create ties - for informational purposes (or to create chaos. Or fun again). Lots of different reasons. Depends on the player who has the role, I suppose.

S~V~S wrote:Not dissimilarly to Turf Wars, I think we may be analyzing ourselves into a corner.

I think LC was a choice made by someone not paying attention to the game. Plus LC was pushing for Niju.

I am voting Niju for now. With the exception of Faraday her votes are iffy. LC suspected her, she isn't paying attention.

I've certainly been paying enough attention to notice THAT. I ain't that clumsy. Gimme some credit :P I agree about the NK though - I am super curious about LC's NK. Weird ass choice. To make me look bad? Clumsy? For shits and giggles? Hmmm.

So, even though it's been re-hashed, for my own purposes of getting this out of my brain, I'm going to talk out thoughts on voting here. Last vote, worst votes look like zebra, Eloh, and G-man for missing it. It also seems Wilgy had a last-minute change from the thread, so while that sealed at least a tie between LC and DF (if we're assuming 3 votes heads could be in play)...well, actually, that doesn't look so bad. It does create confusion and chaos, but in a good way? I guess? Chaos can be good, especially in that case.

But Eloh does make a point that baddies may have seen their teammate going down and let it happen with votes, so at least one of the DF voters is likely a baddie if we're on that train of thought. Hmmm, to take the easy route, or speculate and tinfoil? Last time I tinfoiled, it wouldn't have turned out so great (re: Rocky and Bullwinkle and my CERTAINTY that LC was bad and tricking me), but thankfully, I was the only one to do so at that point in the game :P

Personally, I don't want to die, and I'd like to catch another baddie. Two votes on me already with (assumed) manipulation still in play today is not good for my health. I'll rehash what's been said by me and others: someone out there loved me yesterday for a reason and whisked me off the poll. They gave us a shot at getting an actual baddie and it happened. I believe I will go with the more obvious (i.e., the stuff that stands out the most) to me rather than tinfoil craziness today. I'm not keen on spreading the votes, but I feel better about voting sprityo/zebra than G-Man based on the voting records/analysis posted, and because, although I appreciate the good words being put towards me by zebra, I'm always more suspicious of people being on my side than not. I've been a sucker for buddying far too many times in the past, and these tentacles make everyone suspicious

I will be at a festival this afternoon followed by a possible outing with friends in the evening, but I should be back later. I hope.

Elohcin wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Why do I make empty promises on this site?

Oh wait - I didn't promise anything. Just hoped I would do the research case-y thing. Hmm, yes. Hmm.

I had more work to do today than I assumed (stupid insomnia last night required a stupid long nap this afternoon, which required me to leave work earlier than usual when I usually do my work) and just finished. I'm going to trivia soon and still need to shower and whatnot. So, maybe I'll be better and take more time for eloquent case-making and -looking another day, but I'm gonna just vote DF for reasons previously stated. Might check back.

No promises, though

What did you do during your state of "stupid insomnia"? You could have played mafia then. Or were you making that delicious looking pie you posted on facebook? I just don;t know about you this game.

Want to respond to this: I never do anything that would keep me up longer than necessary when I have bouts of insomnia, especially playing a stressful game like mafia. I'll generally play mindless Sporcle where I list out pantry items or do a crossword puzzle until I fall asleep again, which is hopefully within 20 minutes or so. So you won't see me on this site in the middle of the night until summer when I'm actually staying up that late :P

Oh, and the pie was delicious And all gone.

I did not miss the
Vote- I was silenced, thusly
Not allowed to vote

Oops, sorry, G-Man! My stupid mistake

Elohcin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.

**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?

Whoever believes in you strongly enough to take you off the poll also believes in Niju enough to take her off the poll. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just going with the likely lynch options for the following day.

Why would someone do that?

To get people off of "easy" votes. For fun. The same reason why people like to create ties - for informational purposes (or to create chaos. Or fun again). Lots of different reasons. Depends on the player who has the role, I suppose.

S~V~S wrote:Not dissimilarly to Turf Wars, I think we may be analyzing ourselves into a corner.

I think LC was a choice made by someone not paying attention to the game. Plus LC was pushing for Niju.

I am voting Niju for now. With the exception of Faraday her votes are iffy. LC suspected her, she isn't paying attention.

I've certainly been paying enough attention to notice THAT. I ain't that clumsy. Gimme some credit :P I agree about the NK though - I am super curious about LC's NK. Weird ass choice. To make me look bad? Clumsy? For shits and giggles? Hmmm.

So, even though it's been re-hashed, for my own purposes of getting this out of my brain, I'm going to talk out thoughts on voting here. Last vote, worst votes look like zebra, Eloh, and G-man for missing it. It also seems Wilgy had a last-minute change from the thread, so while that sealed at least a tie between LC and DF (if we're assuming 3 votes heads could be in play)...well, actually, that doesn't look so bad. It does create confusion and chaos, but in a good way? I guess? Chaos can be good, especially in that case.

But Eloh does make a point that baddies may have seen their teammate going down and let it happen with votes, so at least one of the DF voters is likely a baddie if we're on that train of thought. Hmmm, to take the easy route, or speculate and tinfoil? Last time I tinfoiled, it wouldn't have turned out so great (re: Rocky and Bullwinkle and my CERTAINTY that LC was bad and tricking me), but thankfully, I was the only one to do so at that point in the game :P

Personally, I don't want to die, and I'd like to catch another baddie. Two votes on me already with (assumed) manipulation still in play today is not good for my health. I'll rehash what's been said by me and others: someone out there loved me yesterday for a reason and whisked me off the poll. They gave us a shot at getting an actual baddie and it happened. I believe I will go with the more obvious (i.e., the stuff that stands out the most) to me rather than tinfoil craziness today. I'm not keen on spreading the votes, but I feel better about voting sprityo/zebra than G-Man based on the voting records/analysis posted, and because, although I appreciate the good words being put towards me by zebra, I'm always more suspicious of people being on my side than not. I've been a sucker for buddying far too many times in the past, and these tentacles make everyone suspicious

I will be at a festival this afternoon followed by a possible outing with friends in the evening, but I should be back later. I hope.

Elohcin wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Why do I make empty promises on this site?

Oh wait - I didn't promise anything. Just hoped I would do the research case-y thing. Hmm, yes. Hmm.

I had more work to do today than I assumed (stupid insomnia last night required a stupid long nap this afternoon, which required me to leave work earlier than usual when I usually do my work) and just finished. I'm going to trivia soon and still need to shower and whatnot. So, maybe I'll be better and take more time for eloquent case-making and -looking another day, but I'm gonna just vote DF for reasons previously stated. Might check back.

No promises, though

What did you do during your state of "stupid insomnia"? You could have played mafia then. Or were you making that delicious looking pie you posted on facebook? I just don;t know about you this game.

Want to respond to this: I never do anything that would keep me up longer than necessary when I have bouts of insomnia, especially playing a stressful game like mafia. I'll generally play mindless Sporcle where I list out pantry items or do a crossword puzzle until I fall asleep again, which is hopefully within 20 minutes or so. So you won't see me on this site in the middle of the night until summer when I'm actually staying up that late :P

Oh, and the pie was delicious And all gone.

Why do I make empty promises on this site?

Oh wait - I didn't promise anything. Just hoped I would do the research case-y thing. Hmm, yes. Hmm.

I had more work to do today than I assumed (stupid insomnia last night required a stupid long nap this afternoon, which required me to leave work earlier than usual when I usually do my work) and just finished. I'm going to trivia soon and still need to shower and whatnot. So, maybe I'll be better and take more time for eloquent case-making and -looking another day, but I'm gonna just vote DF for reasons previously stated. Might check back.

No promises, though

Someone out here loves me And the baddies thought today's vote would be easy Joke's on you!

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I have to agree with Sorsha; removing Niju would appear to be somehow shenanigan related, but a quick double check of the roles does not see this as a baddie related power.

The power steatrer is a civ, and is also dead *shrug*

There are a couple of secrets, but they're also civ (and indy I guess). There's no self-targeting, so she can't have been Oshira-sama or whoever did it. Which means whoever did it probably doesn't even know Ninja's role.

Or perhaps they do, and have good reason to protect me

I have a shitty voting record, and my posting count sucks this game, more so than usual. But I'm not the only one to whom these criticisms these can be attributed, and that's all the "evidence" I'm seeing from those who suspect me. Anyway, I waste my breath (errr, keystrokes?), as I'm not a candidate today, so that's a conversation for another Day (hey, I rhymed!).

My last suspicions still stand. I also want to read back more thoroughly in general so I can possibly be more eloquent/informed for the next vote, more so than I have been, and actually contribute. I may do so tonight, but not before taking advantage of this lovely bathhouse after finally getting back up to running 3 miles, woo! 4-miler next Saturday, here I come!

Oh, boy! Votes!

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy will respite then, and figure out whats going on with himself...

Eloh I do think you are bad, but I don't want to be mean. Out of what happened last night though I think Ji and DF look the worst.

I'll get it right next time LC. I promise!

Do you mean Soneji and DF? And what makes them look the worst to you? Their voting?

@ SVS, thanks for your opinions.

I think we need to get focused. I see several of us are in agreement on finding various players suspicious. We need to agree on one and not spread the votes. As I said, I need to look at wilgy with fresh eyes. I think I failed to do it Day 3. I will back off of him for now and try to look elsewhere. I know he thinks I'm bad, but he's wrong.

And yet, the votes are pretty spread. Hmm.

Long Con wrote:nijuukyugou gets my vote for the time being. She hardly here, and when she's here she has basically echoed popular points of conversation (Wilgy's weird, Matt was suspicious) and it felt like she was buddying me as well. So, she's my current top suspicion.

This is a mostly valid and accurate assessment of my playing. I have been playing a horribly lazy game (really, rather lazily lately, but in this game, especially) without much original thought. Eloh's right about my being on break and getting back into things, and so I'm "conveniently" busy, so it would seem (she didn't say that, but someone else did). Buddying? Not really. I gave stock your Wilgy hypothesis and followed your last case, but I'm not ready to be buddies yet. You're still a sneak, but I'm trying this new thing called "LC didn't totally bamboozle me in Rocky and Bullwinkle, so try not being automatically suspicious." I hope it doesn't bite me in the ass :P

Long Con wrote:I haven't really changed my opinion much today, my gut still says nijuu is the one, so my vote will likely stay there.

I'm flattered, but spoken for *bats eyelashes*

So, as the votes currently stand, it looks like I need to save myself, especially since after this post, it's unlikely I'll be back in the thread for the night (I've procrastinated with schoolwork that I may or may not still do). I see that people who are voting for Soneji are mostly doing it because of a sig vote, and most people posting seem to agree that sig is civ. I would agree, since sig is not following a pattern that he tends towards when he is bad (it's a specific quirk, and I'm gonna pull an Epi here and not reveal exactly what this quirk is for the sake of future games). This isn't a particularly strong case against Soneji, and I haven't really had any pings from him so far, but this is mafia, and I do get bamboozled quite often, and I kinda don't wanna die, so I'll put my vote there.

As for suspicions (so I'm actually contributing at some level), DFaraday, upon closer reading, makes me itchy. I don't like that he's so quick to agree with Wilgy's case on Eloh, and his votes stink (but hell, I guess mine do, too ). There was also a comment he made early in the game that caught my eye, but for the life of me, I can't find it now in my ISO, and probably only caught my eye in context. That is a pretty much useless comment to make right now, but I'm getting more and more tired and more concerned about spending too much time on mafia this evening when I have things to do. I'll try to look for it later should I survive. And while I'm still mostly in the camp that Wilgy is acting weird as Mr. StinkMonster, I'm also up to looking at his behavior/tone in a different light (AKA baddie light), since I've been doing the "don't let obviously suspicious behavior get away from you" sort of thing in mafia since Biblical. But that's a conversation for another day, methinks.

Okay, I'm rambling now and need to quit. I'm voting Soneji.

As usual, I apologize for my absence. I didn't even realize I hadn't been on my computer, let alone here on the site (save popping in on my phone during breaks at work) since Tuesday night, and I don't even remember what I did then. This week back to work has been a killer on my sleep after spring break, and combined with having to do lesson plans/grading again in the afternoons while trying to catch a nap...is precisely why I'm only in small games until summer, and barely hanging on to those at that. I don't promise to be here more often, as I don't suspect I'll be any less busy/tired, but I'll attempt to play a bit of a more involved game.

Anyway, my sleepy read-through brings a few thoughts, much the same as ones I previously held. Wilgy's acting nuts still, and seems to be REALLY after Eloh, or perhaps at this point really after her opinion? Like, really wanting her to respond to his rainbow list? So much that he doesn't want others responding to it? What's his game, I wonder. Someone mentioned (I believe SVS?) that he seemed less "sweet" this game and more caustic (not the word used, but it's the first that comes to mind right now and I'm sticking to it). Still of a mind that he's acting weirder than usual for perhaps *secret* reasons, as others have stated, but very curious about him.

I intended to make more commentary (hence "a few thoughts"), but I'm tired (I know, whine whine whine, repeat repeat repeat) and my allotted mafia time for this evening has run out (and I'd like to wash my tentacles after running--err, swimming? Gliding? before it gets too late). The case and arguments that have stood out to me the most are the ones on Quin - from what LC pointed out, it does appear that Quin has been subtly building a suspicion of LC, and pushing ideas while keeping a distance from ideas (regarding the Wilgy quote). And the vote that untied the llama/Matt lynch in the middle doesn't look so great, either. So, gonna vote there.

Yay, time for showers and rest!

Holy crap - busier week than I thought Catching up. Stand by.

Elohcin wrote:Oh and Ephraim was looking at my laptop when I was just reading. He saw your avatar, niju and said, "so-and-so's shirt?!" Of course he didn't call you so-and-so but I don't know how much you'd like me using your name on here

I still think it's hilarious that your kids call me by my last name. And it's a badass shirt

Procrastination is the word of the day, the week, the last weekend. Also, enjoying the very last bits of my spring break away from the computer as much as possible before going back to work today kept me away. While not a bad day, it was definitely the Monday after break with the kids. Two more months. Two more months. So, here I am.

With thoughts.

Firstly, why are people jumping down LC's throat for suggesting that Wilgy might be the Stink Monster? Because of its specificity, I suppose? I was thinking myself that he was acting more...Wilgy-ish (new word), or crazier, possibly for attention. For what gains, I don't know. I'd like to see LC's further thoughts on this and response to others' reactions upon his un-piggified return.

Secondly, Eloh, you're famous and being discussed! I feel like this is a new trend (I think someone said this?). I can just see her getting irritated in front of the computer at how she can't win: she's either "trying too hard" in tunneling and going with her instincts, or she's detached and not into the game. She can't "act" civ enough, apparently Not really sure that that adds to the conversation, but the mental image of Eloh about to throw her laptop in frustration at this amuses me.

Lastly, I'm gonna go ahead and vote Matt. I've read through the thread, and not much has changed regarding my opinion about him. All over the place Day 1, and I think sig made some good points about both Matt's weak defense and about how the last lynch went down between llama and Matt (no other really strong movements towards other players, no obvious use of Kashira for a save, etc.). So, Matt it is.

Apologies for lack of posts - it's been a busy couple of days, prepping for and hanging out with most excellent visitors I'm just now getting a real moment to read through the thread and the large number of pages that have developed since I last checked.

And it's Day 1 as usual, I see. Tenuous suspicion, a ton of spread votes, with the most votes (2-3) being on people that don't ping me, especially for the reasons being said. WIlgy's doing stuff to get reactions, and I still don't have a hang of that guy yet, but I don't think he's bad ATM. Just weird. Llama's being llama, though not being particularly helpful, either. G-Man's posting in haikus. Unsurprising. I also love haikus, and his thoughts are easy to read (except that last line about me was a bit of a cop-out )

You know, straight up, I don't really feel like listing through everyone who's got votes at the moment anymore, especially since there are so many. I'm sitting on my porch, drinking a beer, and needing to do lesson plans a bit (on a Friday. BLARGH) so I don't cry too hard on Sunday for the loss of my spring break and so I can enjoy Beer Fest tomorrow, ahhhhh Long story short, Matt's all over the place - sig suspicion from seemingly nowhere, changed to Long Con, changed to Quin as a joke (changed in his posts, that is - don't think it's in actual votes), back to sig for reasons I don't understand. He may be a nut, but he's catching my eye the most today. Y'know, besides low posters (says the low poster). So Matt it is.

I've returned from faraway travels and I'm now (somewhat) settled back home, minus the unpacking and loads of laundry. Blargh.

Yay game! And double yay for this movie! It is probably my favorite of the Studio Ghibli films. Voting bird, because flying And not being a fly