The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:Spacedaisy, hopefully you'll be here in time to answer this question: do you think Zombrella and llama are right about Snowman?

llama, I'm feeling the same way though it's not because he mistakenly said I'm a Yotsuba. Don't you think he would fight harder if he were civvie?

lol boo, maybe so, maybe so.

I feel like he reads remarkably like I felt when I was on the verge of getting lynched. Frustrated, certain that the baddies will win, and a bit disgusted with the civs for not doing better. I think that is a civ reaction, not a baddie one.

I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions, and instead of helping find baddies, or at least suggesting them, he focuses on arguing, and posting posts no one can really get. I don't want to lynch a civ EPi, but he's not being helpful at all. And I get being too frustrated to care and feeling like pissing on everyone. But if feels like he's been like that on and off from the start of the game. I don't know what to do with him

Turnip Head wrote:A Rev player is someone who played at Revolution Mafia, a site some Syndicate players including LC used to frequent.

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

zeek wrote:Why did you guys vote so quickly? MM, you even said it was foolish, so how can you justify it?

Because I can be foolish.

Linki@ TH: I've got the time now, so maybe I'll put a case together.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If you ignore history and just look at posts, Long Con is a weird choice. For that reason, I think Kira took him out because of history, not his accusations. Someone who finds LC a threat wanted him out.

I agree.

I am catching up the best I can. I was like 16 pages behind. 12, today and a few I didn't catch up before the lynch was over.

FZ. wrote:AceofSpaces
Bass_the_Clever
bea
Black Rock
boo
DisgruntledPorcupine
Made
Russtifinko
Snowman
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1


Have these players posted this day? Out of them, some barely said much in the last few days. Not good

Turnip Head wrote:Another thing to consider: Llama said he didn't think that someone who LC accused was the one who killed him, but when Llama and I were baddies together in Harry Potter mafia, Llama killed Dom while Dom was going after him, with no hesitation. He actually sent the kill PM before even discussing it in chat, that's how much he wanted Dom dead right at that moment So I think it's in Llama's wheelhouse to kill like that, despite what he's said in this game, and I think it's in Epi's arsenal as well.

Epignosis wrote:If you ignore history and just look at posts, Long Con is a weird choice. For that reason, I think Kira took him out because of history, not his accusations. Someone who finds LC a threat wanted him out.

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote: Llama, why do you think of him as a non-participator and not just a low poster? I am going back and forth trying to make heads or tails of why you aren't more understanding of a newer player. You are aggressive, everyone knows that, this is why I don't suspect you at this point. I just see why you seem to be so harsh concerning Snowman. Am I reading it on the sensitive side?

That's all from me for now. It's hard to type with a baby on your lap.

Again, for the millionth time, my suspicion and vote for Snowman are not based on his level of participation, but the content of his posts.

Unlike boo, I don't see very much distinction between someone who doesn't post at all and someone who doesn't post anything of substance. Neither is trying to baddie hunt. Neither is contributing to the discussion. Neither is really playing the game.

But again, that's not why I am voting Snowman. I just think boo is hypocrite for saying we should lynch people who don't contribute and then defending Snowman so hard.

DharmaHelper wrote:My back seat taking is intentional. I understand I can be bullheaded and uncompromisingly ruthless, as well as my ability to take much of the spotlight for myself. So I didn't do that today, instead opting to allow discussion to be had by/about others.

Elohcin wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Ok, I now have a drink.

I read a lot of Boo's posts. I must admit I skimmed some of the day 0 posts as I think I got a good handle on his viewpoint. Boo is actually a difficult read. Some posts I find myself agreeing and saying "yes, good points sir!" and other times I am wondering when he got so confrontational. He has viewpoints I completely disagree with as well. I still suspect him and at this point he's the best I got.

Holy crap, I am NOT reading all of that linki!

That must be some drink...took a while to get/make. What are you having?

boo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Does boo drink?

I haven't been. But I was thinking the same of you tbh.

Epignosis wrote:boo is 75% boob.

Just pointing that out.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Something I want others' opinions on:

What do we think of the idea that some of these role secrets could be faked?

What makes you say that?

A lore based assumption.

Would you like to be more vague please?

In the show, at some point someone adds fake rules to a Death Note. Death Notes come with "rules" on like the first page that dictate how to use one.

Ok, I know nothing of the show but aren't death notes different from the roles?

My thought process was, continuing the thought that MP would put as much of the show as possible into the game, the best way to incorporate the rules/fake rules of the Death Notes was to use it on role secrets.

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Something I want others' opinions on:

What do we think of the idea that some of these role secrets could be faked?

What makes you say that?

A lore based assumption.

Would you like to be more vague please?

In the show, at some point someone adds fake rules to a Death Note. Death Notes come with "rules" on like the first page that dictate how to use one.

DharmaHelper wrote:Something I want others' opinions on:

What do we think of the idea that some of these role secrets could be faked?

Turnip Head wrote:I have to agree BR, on reread I found it a lot less questionable than I originally thought

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Honestly, I can understand both sides of the Snowman argument. I can understand wanting to give him a pass given that he is still relatively new to mafia and this is only his second game. On the other hand, I can also understand that he has extensive knowledge with social mind-based games such as mafia, and he doesn't strike me as a fool. I think he's well aware of what he's doing.

My main reason I don't have a read on Snowman yet is because I tend to read people based off of what they say (as in, I like being able to pull quotes in order to build cases). And given there's not much of that going on with Snowman, I'm not entirely sure what to think of him yet. In other words, I need to see him talking more to develop a better opinion on him.

Linki

Linki again

Turnip Head wrote:This is the snipped portion of the boo post I'm talking about. Yes, boo also mentions that Trice didn't need defending because he was defending himself. I still feel like something doesn't add up, but idk.

boo wrote:My big problem with the Snowman stuff is that it already looks like there's a bandwagon forming against him, and seeing as how that went so poorly with Trice (who I didn't step in for because he was actually defending himself and I don't like to try and help people in the early game since if they're lynched and bad that somehow makes me bad for doubting a pretty shaky case), I think people who don't agree and aren't looking to bandwagon him need to actual make an effort to stop that from happening and engage. I think people who are considering voting him, and are civvies (so not looking to bandwagon) also need to be challenged before it becomes the easy and safe choice.

linki @Epi: I was just giving you credit where it was due since you brought it up first, but I obviously simplified the argument. I apologize.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Like Epi said, it's odd that Boo didn't feel comfortable defending Trice on the chance that he flipped bad, but has no qualms defending Snowman, after he says he wants to lynch low posters.

I'm not so sure I understand what Trice has to do with this. Is there a link I am missing?

Boo said he would have defended Trice but didn't want to look bad if Trice flipped bad.

Turnip Head wrote:Like Epi said, it's odd that Boo didn't feel comfortable defending Trice on the chance that he flipped bad, but has no qualms defending Snowman, after he says he wants to lynch low posters.

Turnip Head wrote:What's up with boo defending Snowman, a low poster, despite his earlier insistence that we lynch his kind? Boo, where does Snowman fall in your Thinker rankings? Who's below him? Who do you think is worthy of your vote so far?

boo wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I've seen DP on the site. In fact, I see him viewing the thread right this very minute.

Yup, of the 5, those last three don't strike me as being silent because they were actually silenced (we already know bass won't be around much, zeek said he wouldn't be when he last posted, and DP is DP), just went over the player list and figured having them all mentioned would be helpful.

Long Con wrote:

boo wrote:Your silence (for you), makes me consider the same thing LC. :P The fact that it's both you and BR just adds to it or makes me think you guys are just busy right now. But neither of you have actually played that card. I wonder if lynching one of you would draw the other out more?

Take her! Take her! I'll post more!

boo wrote:We also haven't seen posts from bass, DP, or zeek. So 5 total possible silences.

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:For those who cannot see TH's avatar

I see TH's avatar and it is not that.

Well, my powers of deduction conclude that BR has indeed not kept up with the thread discussion.

oh. Did I lame by missing some sort of thing that is cool and I can never get?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:For those who cannot see TH's avatar

I see TH's avatar and it is not that.

Well, my powers of deduction conclude that BR has indeed not kept up with the thread discussion.

Turnip Head wrote:Which seasoned mafiaites would that be, BR?

DharmaHelper wrote:For those who cannot see TH's avatar

boo wrote:Questions on snowman:

1) Isn't he new?
2) Didn't everyone in Donner have BTSC?

Because if it's yes to both, a change up in how he's playing in this game isn't surprising at all.

Russtifinko wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

......

Also, Russ, I don't need a defense from you (yet). But I do want to know why you haven't posted anything in this game until Day 2.

Linki 2: I'm looking at the two of you because:

1) TH - Voting someone with no explanation whatsoever. Sure, he might be forced. But I feel like something more nefarious is going on.

2) [Russ] did a drive-by-vote on Day 0, didn't post then at all, and didn't post at all during Day 1 or Night 1. So I think you have something to hide too.

I think those are two very good reasons to look at voting one of the two of you today.

(Quote edited for size, but using BWT's words where possible to keep the gist.)

So you want my defense but don't need it yet?

Linki: Haha thanks, BR! To me boo's analysis this game seems on-point. Very well thought-out and helpful. What makes you ask?

juliets wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

silly TH - the link took me to everything llama has said. Can you narrow it down some?

Zomberella12 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi why did you not vote for Russ?

You will get no further answers from me.

Epi, why did you not vote for Russ?

I don't like Epi's recent antics, but in looking back it does say that Ryuk and Rem cannot be harmed by humans. So what does that mean? Who can harm them?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

Oh, thanks a lot, BR.

I used sarcastic orange. Happy?

I think it's between Zombarella and Snowman for me. While I hate to vote for Zoombarella after the nice things she said about me, I've seen her play and she's not giving half of it this game. Yeah, she has another game, but this is getting closer to deadline and she's posted just enough to stay under the radar. In the other game she's more aggressive, and came charging into the game. I don't see any of it right now.


linki: Don't hosts let players change their vote if it's placed by mistake?

She would have to ask for it to clarify that it is a mistake and not a deliberate trick, and it sounds like she will not be back before the poll ends.

boo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

FZ. wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

boo wrote:I'm all about that bass ('bout that bass) because I don't believe that random vote was random, and while I don't doubt that him not being able to be around caused him to vote early, I do doubt that the vote was truly random when it managed to land on Trice, who by that point was taking flak and was (and continues to be) one of several people I think a mafia member not wanting to risk missing the vote but also not wanting to waste their vote would vote for.

Now alone, that wouldn't be enough to warrant attention (at least in this D1 mine field)... BUT which option did bass vote for? Normal. Ok good, right? No, because which voter was he? The 11th. How many votes did L/Light have? 9 (total and when bass voted, he was the 26th voter overall after SD was the 25th overall when she voted for L/Light).

How many posts does bass have? 4.

What do they say?

"Real happy this game started." Ok, sure.

"I voted normal lynch." I mean, it is the right option, but literally nothing else, no quote even using other peoples ideas. The very essence of low effort.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:So given all that, why the hell would a baddie vote for L/Light lynches? That's a stupid move for them and the exact opposite of laying low. It makes much more sense to look at the people voting for normal lynches and/or the people tossing their votes away on options that clearly wont win.

Because WIFOM.

Today's discussion has been enjoyable, but I think that behavior after the gameplay has been decided will prove more useful.

I agree.

Then this one. Ok, thank you for that very useful insight.

Then there's the vote post where he apologizes for having to vote now (I buy) and says he's voting randomly (I don't buy).


The first three posts are nothing. I think they were there because Bass is mafia, wants to fly low, but doesn't want to be at the bottom of the list when we look at total posts (and guess what, with 4 posts he's currently sitting with 7 people with the same or fewer posts, a nice buffer from being to far down in case people look at low posters, while still flying low).

No treble.

Ok, I said I would look at this post when I got back so I found it. BWT, I see what you are saying BUT I am seeing it from a different perspective. Everything Boo says seems more opportunistic then correct. He has taken 4 posts and made a case. Bass is often a low poster, not always, but often. It is day one and his day 0 vote wasn't an option any one considered baddie. I don't like this case at all, it smells baddie to me and now has put boo on my list.

I remember thinking the same, but I'm not sure how much Boo has played with Bass. Most times I see Boo around is when he's hosting. So not sure he'd know that about Bass.

thellama73 wrote:For anyone considering joining me in my vote for TH, let the record show that he has said 1) he thinks Russ is likely a baddie; 2) he doesn't want Russ to be lynched "until there can be no doubt"; 3) Russ' behavior tomorrow will fail to remove all doubt.

Essentially, he want to leave someone he thinks is bad alive indefinitely.

boo wrote:I'm all about that bass ('bout that bass) because I don't believe that random vote was random, and while I don't doubt that him not being able to be around caused him to vote early, I do doubt that the vote was truly random when it managed to land on Trice, who by that point was taking flak and was (and continues to be) one of several people I think a mafia member not wanting to risk missing the vote but also not wanting to waste their vote would vote for.

Now alone, that wouldn't be enough to warrant attention (at least in this D1 mine field)... BUT which option did bass vote for? Normal. Ok good, right? No, because which voter was he? The 11th. How many votes did L/Light have? 9 (total and when bass voted, he was the 26th voter overall after SD was the 25th overall when she voted for L/Light).

How many posts does bass have? 4.

What do they say?

"Real happy this game started." Ok, sure.

"I voted normal lynch." I mean, it is the right option, but literally nothing else, no quote even using other peoples ideas. The very essence of low effort.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:So given all that, why the hell would a baddie vote for L/Light lynches? That's a stupid move for them and the exact opposite of laying low. It makes much more sense to look at the people voting for normal lynches and/or the people tossing their votes away on options that clearly wont win.

Because WIFOM.

Today's discussion has been enjoyable, but I think that behavior after the gameplay has been decided will prove more useful.

I agree.

Then this one. Ok, thank you for that very useful insight.

Then there's the vote post where he apologizes for having to vote now (I buy) and says he's voting randomly (I don't buy).


The first three posts are nothing. I think they were there because Bass is mafia, wants to fly low, but doesn't want to be at the bottom of the list when we look at total posts (and guess what, with 4 posts he's currently sitting with 7 people with the same or fewer posts, a nice buffer from being to far down in case people look at low posters, while still flying low).

No treble.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snowman wrote:Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular. All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll.

I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.

Waiting for a bandwagon to hop onto?

Hmmm...good point.

Alright. I can probably add TH and Snowman to my list, albeit I would still rank them below Trice and bass. So my list currently goes:

1) Trice
2) bass
3) TH/Snowman

How can you find anything suspicious in Bass? I know I'm reading back so I don't have the thread momentum but Bass hasn't posted much and has RL things going on. I saw nothing in his posts.

Boo had a nice, long post that explained it in much better detail. I went back and read bass' posts myself (all 4 of them) and found it to ring true.

I'm still leaning strongest towards Trice, but if I decide to go the low-poster route, I think bass is a decent option.

Linki: What exactly is TH's thing with llama? Is there an actual reason for his vote or is it just a 'no u' because of llama mentioning his thought process on Day 0?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snowman wrote:Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular. All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll.

I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.

Waiting for a bandwagon to hop onto?

Hmmm...good point.

Alright. I can probably add TH and Snowman to my list, albeit I would still rank them below Trice and bass. So my list currently goes:

1) Trice
2) bass
3) TH/Snowman

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Okay. That was a little intense. But I think I have a pretty good idea of what direction(s) I'm leaning towards for this lynch.

Definitely not Epig and DH. I read all that shit twice (thanks for that you fools :P), and I need time for it to absorb into my brain. Needless to say, I don't see anything for either of you, or boo for that matter, that makes me think anything other than "This is just DH/Epig/boo being DH/Epig/boo".

Aces I'm okay on. I was gung-ho to vote for him, until I went back and actually read his reasoning on the Day 0 vote. And then it became pretty clear that Trice took his post entirely out of context by quote-snipping. Given the way that Trice continues to hold onto his IMO fairly weak case, plus taking someone out-of-context, plus making a lot of posts that don't really contribute anything until Aces went and brought Trice up, I could see myself potentially voting for Trice today.

Daisy I feel good about for now. I think her fly-by vote would have been more suspicious if she'd come back in and tried to keep justifying her vote. But since she already had, I can give her a pass.

Bass I do not feel good about. He feels like the type of low-poster who is doing just enough to fly under the radar, but still seem like he's paying attention. I'd feel bad voting for someone that can't be around to defend themselves, but I could be pressed to vote in his direction if I decide to go the route of voting a low-poster.

So I'd say right now, I'm considering a vote for either Trice or bass. I'm sure I might have forgotten some other thoughts with how much I just read, but feel free to ask questions for me if you want my opinion on something else.

Linki: Look forward to hearing your insights, BR!

What about Turnip Head? Maybe you should think about voting for him... maybe.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Ricochet wrote:DisgruntledPorcupine (very late odd option, no reasoning).

I wanted to encourage a good, quiet game. Everyone knows low posters are the most useful.