The Syndicate

a2thezebra wrote:My favorite number is 881.

Dom wrote:....I know. . . . . !~~~!!!!!!!!


I am saying you said that with the intention of saying his role claim was not valid.

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:Okay, I guess I get it. Dom's idea basically was that I wasn't being genuine about Golden role-hinting. Well, it's not something I even believed. I thought my post was clear in presenting it as an alternative to what I actually do believe. If Golden was a cop I wouldn't be going after him, no. Does that make sense?

He did present it as an accusation, though. "I'm not buying it" isn't much of a question especially when you frame it around an inside joke thing that I had no way of interpreting correctly. He can say he doesn't buy Golden hinting at a number, but that I'm lying and obviously understood the reference? Yeah no. That's silly and not really an argument.

I think your suspicion of Dom is fair.

I know that SVS has a favourite number of 8. I didn't know it was because of Lost, and I wouldn't have made an association to Lost. I just happen to know it is her favourite number because it is also mine, and don't see why anyone else should know this.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Zeebs - Strong or not, can you give me your current read of each of the Arkham voters? Considering the votes for Arkham are "downright alarming", just wondering.

Bass_the_Clever - Null
ekeknat - Null
sprityo - Null
Matt - Bad
Scotty - Null
MovingPictures07 - Null
Nerolunar - Null

At this point I don't understand why you are reading Matt as bad. Maybe in future posts I will understand. If not can you explain?

Oh god. I feel so bad for you right about now. You're about to go down the rabbit hole

Dom wrote:

Enrique wrote:Okay, so what was the purpose of that post?

If one read my posts I think they would know.



I think you are posting ad nauseam about Golden because you are trying to sell people the idea that he is bad. I'm not on board with the evidence presented. You claimed that something might've been an attempted role hint, and I said I don't think you genuinely thought it was a role hint. Whether you are subverting the truth because you genuinely think Golden is bad or because you are bad remains to be seen.
Your most curious behavior to me has nothing to do with this, but rather with your response to me. You jumped to the conclusion I was accusing you of something (of which you have yet to clarify). TH later gave you a frame of reference that would make sense, but you declined to take it. Hyper-defensiveness is running through you.

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Zeebs - Strong or not, can you give me your current read of each of the Arkham voters? Considering the votes for Arkham are "downright alarming", just wondering.

Bass_the_Clever - Null
ekeknat - Null
sprityo - Null
Matt - Bad
Scotty - Null
MovingPictures07 - Null
Nerolunar - Null

MovingPictures07 wrote:From my perspective, Enrique and Golden are arguing about semantics and I cannot discern any alignment-indicative behavior from them. I find myself agreeing with Turnip Head on this one.

Now, with that said, I will admit that my first slight civilian read is Dom. He questioned Enrique, pursued it, and GTH I evaluate his behavior to be one in which he is developing those thoughts organically. But I'm systematically incorrect about Dom, so this means you all should probably find him a slight mafia read. :P

Scotty wrote:For those of you that voted to go to the Police Station: any reason? Are you guys just wanting to sit around eating donuts in the break room, or PLANT EXPLOSIVES IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE?

'Fraid those are the only reasons I can see.

Typhoony wrote:

Golden wrote:Looks like you are in the clear sig.

I know I say this and then people still sus me anyway but...

I'm GOING to be quieter this game.

I have a plan for the very few games I can sign up for in the coming months. Arkham was not on that plan. I just started a new role at work, and have heaps of other stuff going on in real life, so I need to be very careful with my time.

How's that working out for you so far Golden?

Dom wrote:....?

What's your aim here?



I said I don't believe your post was genuine because you know SVS and Golden enough to realize what they were talking about. It makes me doubt your motives. What don't you understand? It wasn't an accusation which is why I find it so strange you used that word.

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:This is so incredibly misleading and twiwtsy.

Let's see how this goes.

Enrique, this is the last time I'll say this. There are literally NO civilian roles for whom independent chasing is the best move. Except the dirty cops who get recruited.

This is so incredibly misleading and twiwtsy! (am I using that word right? I don't actually know what it means)

It's also straight up false. Do I need to explain to you how the Wayne Manor roles work? Because it's not hard to figure out. They need to achieve a 100% win condition to win the game; each dead Mafia / bought up gives them 5%, so that's at most 30% they can get from them. Where does the rest come from? Arkham Asylum. Each inmate gives them 12%, so if they manage to kill all the Mafia and 6 inmates, that's the least they can do to win the game! But then, that leaves them with 102%. If one GCDP civvie dies, they lose 2%, so even all the mafia + six inmates isn't enough if two civvies die! And they lose a WHOLE 8% for every member of their faction that dies. So that's a fuckton of inmates they need to kill. That at least one other civvie needs to kill as well or they don't win. Why the hell would I as a cop go and kill the mafia when, unless I've killed my assigned indie, it does NOTHING for me?

Don't try to argue Wayne Manor isn't civvie because nearly all of us have different win conditions.

The civilian cops need 6 out of 6 baddies dead and 1 out of 10 independents dead. The other three need 6 out of 6 baddies dead and 0 out of 10 independents dead.

Yes. So every inmate (you keep saying independent, more on that later) is needed dead by the civvies. Got you.

On the other hand, the independents don't have any stake in killing the baddies (Except one or two discrete instances like the joker)

No. This is false. They absolutely do. Whether their win condition is to survive, to kill certain players, to align themselves with another player, they ALL need the game to end with their conditions in place. The game ends when the Mafia dies. There IS no going back. Why would you even say that? What are their stakes according to you? From how I see it, the game ending with them still alive is the best thing that could happen to them.

So you're wrong again. You use the opposite argument against me, "of course baddies would benefit from indie hunt!" but you fail to see how that goes both ways. Why?

so how do you get 'there are fifteen baddie roles that need to baddie hunt'.... That makes no sense at all.

First off, that's not a real quote so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Second of all, what are we doing right now? What did the opening post say? Aren't we looking for the escapees? That's a fundamental part of this game that you're completely DENYING, and dude, you can't do that. Because they're the only players (with exactly three exceptions) who win that way.

Plus, you still fail to address my point that going after independents is exactly what the baddies WOULD be doing.

Woops, I actually addressed that prematurely. So let me hint at the next point that I've actually stated before: the inmates are baddies.

And you say '15 baddie ones' which just goes to prove that you are still painting the independents as mafia when they are not.

They absolutely are, Golden, I'm sorry. You were the first to describe them as "independents," the roles list never did such thing. You act like they're our allies in some way but that simply doesn't work. Sure, we can win with some of them, but not all of us! Not with all! They're the ENEMY, the goal of the game is to FIND THEM. I care about the mafia. I'm tired of being portrayed as if I'm only going after the inmates. But BOTH need to go, no buts. The argument to leave the inmates alone doesn't hold up. It's a terrible idea. You can't just ask the civvies to leave their victory to chance instead of pursuing it.

I'll tell you how many role cards suggest chasing the baddies before the indys.

13 civilian ones.
And NOONE else.
Thats it.

Not even close to the truth. The game ENDS when the mafia dies. If the game ends with the mafia dead and the inmates alive, the only winners are the inmates! Why are you ignoring that? The statement you just made is completely false.

This shouldn't be hard to understand. I'm sorry. I'm right.

@linki: have YOU tried slipping into my perspective, Golden? I'm not making it a secret. Your method isn't helping me, and you're not only denying it but using it against me. That's why I'm convinced that you're bad.

Turnip Head wrote:I believe I explain my thoughts on Golden either before or after that post. I have no information about his role. Why does he sound off to you?

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:Enrique, how desperate are you to get Golden out of this game and why?

Although I am generally the person who jumps all over Goldens shit at the start, Enriques single mindedness is kinda freaking me a bit here. He has some good points, but so does Golden (some of the Indys will be attritioned out via NKs, or lynches, etc.). I mean we need to keep them in mind, especially if they individually impact our individual win condition, but getting the baddies is paramount, IMO.

Actually, having just hosted the Champs game, I think our goal should be to NOT lynch the other civs, then lynch baddies>lynch Indies.

Yeah, SVS, thanks for saying in one paragraph my exact point that it takes me 1500 posts to make.

What bothers me about Enrique is not so much that he wants to get indys, but that the start of this chain was about him sussing me for pointing out that the mafia are not the escapees. I don't think we should ignore the Arkham independents (because some of them look dangerous), but the crime families are clearly the mafia.

Turnip Head wrote:You're cool in my book Enrique, I just think you're on the wrong track about Golden at the present time. In the interest of discussing other matters...

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

sig wrote:It wouldn't be a new record so no thank you, if you can lynch my day 0 then go ahead otherwise I'd prefer not to get lynched until mid game.

Why mid game and not the end? Perhaps it because you are bad...

Sig, can you explain why you didn't respond to this post? It did seem like a weird thing for you to say, and to not respond to Bass about it feels like you're trying to sweep it under the rug.

S~V~S wrote:Meanwhile 8 people besides me missed the vote, but whether I voted for someone I suspected or someone everyone else suspected but I did not is the biggest issue.

Fuck this.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I've decided to look at a few people to best get a feeling of the thread. I feel a little out of the groove. So I started with Scotty, which I was happy to see had under 30 posts. I wish I knew how to read him better. In a direct comparison to the last game I played with him and this game, he feels a lot more conservative and less accusational. He's playing it safe and I don't trust that.

I'm going to check out dharmahelper next.

This feels like a manufactured way to get involved. Have you read the thread cover to cover? And what made you start with Scotty?