The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:And you make some good points about BR. I look forward to her response.

Turnip Head wrote:Black Rock is a really hard read. She has not contributed much, but it could be related to RL busyness. It could also be related to RL busyness AND being bad. She's missed both votes, FWIW.

And I do not discount the idea that splintsy and BR could be bad together, but I'm more inclined to look BR's way first, since I think splints might be onto something with her post about MP.

Black Rock wrote:Now I have to check my own posts, I don't remember saying I trust MP.

It shouldn't take you too long :P And you didn't say that. I'm looking carefully at what you did say though and wondering if you had an ulterior motive for responding the way you did to Elo in the post in question.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to hear more from BR.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote TinyBubbles.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think Elo's bad. Especially her recent reactions read genuinely to me.

I thought TinyBubbles' vote for Elo was sketchy because, if you look back through Bubbles' posts, she was setting up suspicion of Bass and only Bass, but then MP and Jay make one post each talking about Elo being a better option, and Bubbles immediately rolls with that. The line "If you're a civvie Elo I'm so so sorry!" reeks a bit because if Bubbles was really sorry she wouldn't have voted a player she's not suspicious of. And I think it's a little hokey to allude to someone being lynched when you're literally the first person to cast a vote for that person.

That said, I thought I saw one thing in Bubbles' filter that made me think she's on the level and just playing a little loosely. So I guess what I'd like is Bubbles' answer to the following "Why abandon your read on Bass and piggyback onto the suspicion of Jay and MP?" I believe Bubbles mentioned trusting those two, and I don't think they're baddies either atm, but it doesn't mean they're right about everything either.

MP, can you once again lay out why you don't think Elo's thought process can come from a civ perspective? We've both played many games with her, we both know her perspective is not always the same as everyone else's, so I'm curious exactly what you're seeing there. And what happened to your splints' suspicion?

fingersplints wrote:Why are you trying to divert suspicion to me TH? I thought we were friends

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:For my suspicions? I am a little suspicious of Splints and TH. It can be a total No U at this point. They have had lots of time to sow their seeds. The way I'm reading it now is Splints is doing all the accusations and TH is sitting behind her with an extra push. Otherwise I haven't paid much attention to anyone else in the past few real life days. That I can admit is not good.

So your only suspects are the people who suspect you Do you think splintsy is wrong to suspect you at this point? Do you think I'm wrong to?

Well from my perspective yes. You are wrong so the way I see it you are seeing something that is not there and is wrong. That is my perspective, but you don't know what I do.

Something being wrong isn't the same as something not being there. You haven't discussed any suspicions until just now. I know you've been sick, and the thread is large, but a civvie BR would, in my opinion still find ways to get involved in the hunt.

But okay, you don't know what I know either! I'm not bad, and by extension I'm hesitant to trust your take on splintsy, but for the sake of argument let's say she's civvie too, because I think her reasons for suspecting you are valid. Who are your suspects if me and splintsy are both civs, BR?

And for what it's worth I'm not buying you being suspicious of me We do this dance far too often, you and I, for you to have not thought anything of my previous behavior in this game, for this to be the only thing I've done that's caught your eye.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think it's pretty dangerous that people are taking the notion that one of the 5 players to kickstart the game MUST be scum as a foregone conclusion. That encourages a narrower focus of suspicion not only in Day 1, but in all ensuing days until the alleged scum is identified.

There's more to Mafia than mere probability.

I agree.

Consequentially, I'm voting for Golden. I think he's bad news this game.

I was planning on voting first.

I would like to hear more from Turnip Head. What are your thoughts on JaggedJimmyJay? Or any of the new members of the Syndicate?

Why is Golden bad news in your eyes? Is it that he is playing the role of mediator/player representative? I've been doing the same, thought with less generalization.

I'm mixed on JJJ. A few of his posts stand out but he's the kind of player where the more he posts the more we'll get to see if he slips up.

No strong thoughts on any of the new players but I don't suspect any of them yet.

Golden is not acting very Golden-like, if you ask me.

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote:So, why does that make me bad enough to vote for?

Weird way to phrase the question but anyways...

It doesn't make you bad enough to vote for. It just makes you enough to vote for on Day 1 to get some reactions. I think we've gotten a few, haven't we?

If you had to vote right now for the person you most think is bad, who would you vote for?

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i don't feel much better about Black Rock after her brief appearance today. she addressed the concerns expressed by fingersplints and nobody else:

Black Rock wrote:I don't think it's nitpicking at all. I think putting the word in trust goes a lot further than what I actually said. By saying I defended him and trusted him his misleading. There is a difference in trusting a player and understanding a players actions. If you can't see that then take off the blinders.

and that response doesn't inspire much confidence. i don't like the continued denial of having defended MP on Day 1 (especially since it was never actually suspicious until that denial), and i don't like the snappy bit i highlighted. it bears the appearance of an indignant mafioso.

i still don't know what her reads are on anyone.

Honestly if you're expecting a long post full of quotes or me naming a bunch of players and giving reads on them it's not my style.

For my suspicions? I am a little suspicious of Splints and TH. It can be a total No U at this point. They have had lots of time to sow their seeds. The way I'm reading it now is Splints is doing all the accusations and TH is sitting behind her with an extra push. Otherwise I haven't paid much attention to anyone else in the past few real life days. That I can admit is not good.

So your only suspects are the people who suspect you Do you think splintsy is wrong to suspect you at this point? Do you think I'm wrong to?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i don't feel much better about Black Rock after her brief appearance today. she addressed the concerns expressed by fingersplints and nobody else:

Black Rock wrote:I don't think it's nitpicking at all. I think putting the word in trust goes a lot further than what I actually said. By saying I defended him and trusted him his misleading. There is a difference in trusting a player and understanding a players actions. If you can't see that then take off the blinders.

and that response doesn't inspire much confidence. i don't like the continued denial of having defended MP on Day 1 (especially since it was never actually suspicious until that denial), and i don't like the snappy bit i highlighted. it bears the appearance of an indignant mafioso.

i still don't know what her reads are on anyone.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to hear more from BR.

Did I miss something you asked?

Nope. Does your opinion need to be solicited for you to share it? I feel like you're only spending time defending yourself or talking about how you need to catch up. I have no idea where you stand on suspicions.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to hear more from BR.

fingersplints wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I haven't dropped off the planet I am trying to catch up. I hate catching up on so much volume, it buggers me up. I see Splints still suspects me as well as a few others.

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Thanks, sanmateo. I look forward to hearing your answers to other questions and what you think of others as well.

Sloonei, so I am looking through splints's posts again because I'm revisiting my suspicion of her, and I'm uncovering again that she's been issuing a lot of wishywashy statements and I did find it notable that she couldn't even name a top suspect when I asked her yesterday (but then went on to say she still really suspects BR). I'd like to amend my post to say that she might be my 3rd suspect (pushing her back up again), but I'm not certain just yet.

I think you should reconsider who you call wishy washy when you have been drastically up and down in your suspicions. You are pressuring me to name more suspicions. I have and if that isn't good enough for you so be it.

I suspect BR for the defense of MP. A bunch of you didn't suspect it because you trust MP and all suspect Elo, but I understood what she was saying about MP. She wasn't calling him "mean", and I felt she was trying to be tactful about it, but he exploded at Epi and played the victim. (His word choice. Not mine) I feel like BR jumped on that and defended MP. I have been wishy washy about MP because as I said I'm not going to waste a shit ton of time debating how I feel about a player when my read on them is pretty dependant on someone else.

I'm voting BR now.

I don't think you should consider wishywashy as an insult; it certainly isn't. I am pressuring you because that's part of the game, is it not? I'm unclear as to where you're at, so I've been asking for clarification.

I don't see where everyone is saying they trust me; I've arguably had more heat on me than anyone else. As usual, I'll likely get lynched at some point.

So, to be clear, my alignment is dependent on BR as follows: If she flips mafia, I'm mafia, and vice versa? Or something else?

BR and pretty much all the new guys have mentioned trust in you to a degree. And I would definitely argue you having the most heat. Mostly only Epi was after you

No. Your alignment does not depend on her alignment. Your alignment depends on that role PM the hosts sent on you. But as with every other game, gaining information allows us to form opinions on others. I've discussed everything. I feel like everyone is stuck on these reads and we cant move on til we have more information.

Now I have to check my own posts, I don't remember saying I trust MP. I think you are trying to make a mountain out of nothing with me. You are taking my words and stringing them into something to try and paint me as bad.

You didn't say specifically "I trust MP"
I still think you defended him, which would mean you think he is good. Do you not have any trust in someone you think is good enough to defend them? I think you are nitpicking at my word choice and trying to defend by saying you didn't say that word when it's clear you expressed a similar sentiment although not that specific word

I'll respond to the points in the latest ISO about me later. I'll try and respond to the latest massive post about me later since I'm on my phone but if there are any specific posts people want from me now they will have to reiterate them in post that won't take me forever to pick apart on my phone

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Thanks, sanmateo. I look forward to hearing your answers to other questions and what you think of others as well.

Sloonei, so I am looking through splints's posts again because I'm revisiting my suspicion of her, and I'm uncovering again that she's been issuing a lot of wishywashy statements and I did find it notable that she couldn't even name a top suspect when I asked her yesterday (but then went on to say she still really suspects BR). I'd like to amend my post to say that she might be my 3rd suspect (pushing her back up again), but I'm not certain just yet.

I think you should reconsider who you call wishy washy when you have been drastically up and down in your suspicions. You are pressuring me to name more suspicions. I have and if that isn't good enough for you so be it.

I suspect BR for the defense of MP. A bunch of you didn't suspect it because you trust MP and all suspect Elo, but I understood what she was saying about MP. She wasn't calling him "mean", and I felt she was trying to be tactful about it, but he exploded at Epi and played the victim. (His word choice. Not mine) I feel like BR jumped on that and defended MP. I have been wishy washy about MP because as I said I'm not going to waste a shit ton of time debating how I feel about a player when my read on them is pretty dependant on someone else.

I'm voting BR now.

I don't think you should consider wishywashy as an insult; it certainly isn't. I am pressuring you because that's part of the game, is it not? I'm unclear as to where you're at, so I've been asking for clarification.

I don't see where everyone is saying they trust me; I've arguably had more heat on me than anyone else. As usual, I'll likely get lynched at some point.

So, to be clear, my alignment is dependent on BR as follows: If she flips mafia, I'm mafia, and vice versa? Or something else?

BR and pretty much all the new guys have mentioned trust in you to a degree. And I would definitely argue you having the most heat. Mostly only Epi was after you

No. Your alignment does not depend on her alignment. Your alignment depends on that role PM the hosts sent on you. But as with every other game, gaining information allows us to form opinions on others. I've discussed everything. I feel like everyone is stuck on these reads and we cant move on til we have more information.

fingersplints wrote:I've been playing on other sites with night kill roles being revealed for a while now, so it's gotten pretty normal for me l. The game is not easier with roles revealed in these sites because you don't even know what roles are available. I just played a game where role claiming is allowed as well- so not knowing the roles is especially hard because the mafia have to make up roles to claim and you have to see what you believe. It's been fun!
I just played my first game with a janitor! It's fun to see some of the role differences

RIPIYWG Epi and MetalMarsh

Anyone can claim a role in Recruitment Mafia, doesn't mean they're civvie.

I like the idea, not knowing the roles does keep it difficult and leaves room for role claims.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Wow, Blue's Clues. I used to watch that like... 15 years ago?

sanmateo wrote:can someone say which 4 players missed the vote? i still get a bunch of names confused

idk if it happens here but in rym a lot of times the scum skips a vote in order to avoid suspicion

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Poll's closed.

acrosstheaether, Black Rock, Dom, and TinyBubbles have all missed the vote.

Golden wrote:I can't speak to Roxy's perspective on me, other than that she has played with me many more times and has seen that my baddie hunting does not always involve me immediately jumping out of a tree naked and bashing someone's head with the golden stick. I doubt I would have been so quick to jump into analysing your POV if it wasn't for the vote.

In fact, this game doesn't have so many people who have played with me more than two or three times. Splints, Roxy, BR, Dom, MP and probably BWT.

JJJ completely missing the overall thrust of our meta conversation just then? Seems to me he has the wrong end of the stick on that convo about meta we had.

People said that about epi in keeler too. I was right on day one. He was lynched on about day 9 or something. "Thats just epi" they said.

@jjj - eloh and epi are married.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to vote either DDL or MP at this juncture.

However, I would like to know

what the other players are thinking about these two.

I think you shanked MP.

I actually think he could be bad, but I'm not going to vote for him after that. I think I'll likely vote for you, your attitude reminds me a lot of the way you took to Blindfaeth in keeler.

RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 1 ISO - JaggedJimmyJay

top bloke; good egg

Epignosis wrote:In case no one sees it, 3J thinks I smell like shit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Things aren't looking good for MP.

How?

Like every other Day 1? What a surprise.

I always get lynched on either Day 1 or Day 7.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I seriously do not know what the hell is going on in this thread at the moment.

Metalmarsh, seriously, why did you vote for someone who already received a vote? That can't possibly be your explanation.

Epi, do you think I'm lying or not? Stop fucking with me. This is an absolute waste of time.

What explanation would you like? I can come up with another that would satisfy your incredulity.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Also MP, just curious:

http://www.yeastgenome.org/reference/S0 ... 1/overview

That's a biology paper. Who is Choi in the accounting field?

Since you really seem to want to know, I'm replicating "Audit Office Size, Audit Quality, and Audit Pricing" by Jong-Hang Choi, Chansog Kim, Jeong-Bon Kim, and Yoonseok Zang. It was published in Auditing: A Journal of Practice and Theory. In 2010.

Variables include: |DA|, AFEE, OFSIZE, BIG4, INDSPEC, BTM, CFO, CHGSALE, EMPLOY, EXORD, FOREIGN, INVREC, ISSUE, LAGACCR, LEV, LNTA, LOSS, NAS, NBS, NGS, and ROA.

Holy shit that's boring.

A lot to put your mind on in 20 minutes while you're also eating your bean dip and conversing with your fiancee.

I mean, it's not even 20 minutes, since you have to read what people say in order to respond online.

You're a more talented fellow than I.

Precisely why I haven't accomplished anything productive most of the evening and why I need to stop wasting my time.

If you think I'm lying about something as trivial as RL, by all means, vote for me, but that will somehow rank in the most absurd accusations ever leveled against me, and that says something.

Your real life is trivial? Can't be.

Yes, I think you're full of shit.

You were here with rapid fire answers to things.

When I pointed out that you had said nothing about my case on DDL, it took you almost 20 minutes to reply.

Your answer to me was that you were

1) Eating supper
2) Talking to Annie (could happen simultaneously, I'll grant you)
3) Involved in complex Academia

Now, 1 & 2 can happen together. I eat and talk to my wife every evening (and I don't make bean dip for supper but that's another issue )

But you want me to believe that 1, 2 & 3 happened in 20 minutes, a 20 minute window that would have required you to ALSO be reading the thread and ALSO be responding to people? I note that you didn't just respond to me. You responded (sometimes within the minute) to others. That indicates that you were actually on your computer reading the thread.

I don't believe you. No sir, I don't.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sanmateo wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I seriously do not know what the hell is going on in this thread at the moment.

Metalmarsh, seriously, why did you vote for someone who already received a vote? That can't possibly be your explanation.

Epi, do you think I'm lying or not? Stop fucking with me. This is an absolute waste of time.

What explanation would you like? I can come up with another that would satisfy your incredulity.

what is happening, help

I would assume he's fishing for responses or actually does suspect Golden and is withholding his reasoning, but either way is unhealthy for civilians at this point, and a terrible use of a permanent Day 1 vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that G-Man is pulling a gambit, isn't actually cursed, and is skating by on Day 1?

Why did a couple of players automatically dismiss any future suspicion of him assuming he's cursed?

MovingPictures07 wrote:TASTE THE RAINBOW!!! #2

Dragon D. Luffy -- (no change) -- I still think he is genuine, but I'm certainly not discounting the possibility of him being mafia.
Elohcin -- (previously No read or unsure) -- I am feeling solid about Elo after her exchange with me and I feel as though I am seeing engaged civilian Elohcin as opposed to engaged baddie or disengaged baddie Elohcin. Her thoughts, while at first confusing to me, were clarified in a seemingly genuine fashion. I also do not think she would have fabricated such a suspicion on me if she did not believe it, especially with that reasoning. That said, I want to hear more from her.

JaggedJimmyJay -- (no change) -- Still seems like normal Jay to me. Not seeing anything alarming just yet, but I'm hesitant to trust him, since he does an impressive civilian attitude even when he is mafia.
sanmateo -- (previously Very slight mafia read) -- Although I would still like to see more affirmative statements from him, his interaction with DDL struck me as more genuine than not, and I think he was feeling genuinely frustrated, hence the escalation.
Epignosis -- (previously No read or unsure) -- I believe his attempts to generate discussion have been genuine, but I'm far from convinced.
Turnip Head -- (previously No read or unsure) -- His unique approach to this game, despite not saying much so far, has me leaning very slightly civilian.

acrosstheaether
birdwithteeth11
Dom
fingersplints
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Roxy
TinyBubbles

Bass_the_Clever -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- I need to hear more. I also need clarification on why my behavior is worth keeping an eye on.
Black Rock -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- While I appreciate her defense of me against Elohcin's accusation, I'm not convinced it's coming from a civilian mindset. I need to hear more.
Golden -- (previously No read or unsure) -- It is interesting that I am on the same page as Turnip Head here, but as I simmered on thoughts during class, I also came to the conclusion that Golden is hiding something. He certainly is not seemingly transparent with all of his thoughts, or at least that's the impression I'm getting. The fact that he has refused to substantiate his opinions and analyze in his super-Golden-lawyer mode is disconcerting. Obviously this is still a "slight" read, but I need Golden to come in here and alleviate some concerns.
Sloonei -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- He has dropped due to an inability to really get the ball rolling on suspects and contribute more than uncertain statements. What say you, Sloonei?



For reference:
Very strong civilian read
Strong civilian read
Moderate civilian read
Slight civilian read
Very slight civilian read
No read or unsure
Very slight mafia read
Slight mafia read
Moderate mafia read
Strong mafia read
Very strong mafia read

Be back later. I have to accomplish some tasks. I also would like to hear Rox's elaboration on why she feels the opposite regarding Golden.

Elohcin wrote:I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.