The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Congratulations. I was going to go after Golden but I was killed a night early. I even tried to leave like I somewhat believed him so maybe he wouldn't kill me. I knew he must be Mafia when Llama turned civ.

I was always very wary of you. But on that last night epi asked me who I was most worried about and I was very clear - timmer. So you did a good job with that one.

You should have killed him.

We thought he wasn't gonna be active again so early.

Killing Black Rock is a sin you know. Epignosis is a sinner!!!

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Congratulations. I was going to go after Golden but I was killed a night early. I even tried to leave like I somewhat believed him so maybe he wouldn't kill me. I knew he must be Mafia when Llama turned civ.

I was always very wary of you. But on that last night epi asked me who I was most worried about and I was very clear - timmer. So you did a good job with that one.

You should have killed him.

Congratulations. I was going to go after Golden but I was killed a night early. I even tried to leave like I somewhat believed him so maybe he wouldn't kill me. I knew he must be Mafia when Llama turned civ.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Regardless, we have to get it right tomorrow. If we lynch the wrong player, mafia wins.

Also, lol at your question BR. How do you expect Golden to answer?

It would be very tricky wouldn't it? I did not expect a real answer. Just putting out my thoughts in questions.

So much for my freaking gut.

So Golden, is Llama right about you or are you right about MM?

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You guys are fun. Don't lynch me, k?

You are so bad.

I really pleased that people are still unable to read me after all this time.

If you flip civ I might kick you.

Start lacing up your big girl boots.

My big girl boots have no laces. I am quite comfortable with my vote.

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You guys are fun. Don't lynch me, k?

You are so bad.

I really pleased that people are still unable to read me after all this time.

If you flip civ I might kick you.

thellama73 wrote:You guys are fun. Don't lynch me, k?

You are so bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:BR, what do you think about Golden being mafia?

I'm not sure yet, it could be they are trying to frame him with this obvious distancing technique. Could be they are just bad at being subtle.

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Meh, I decided that defensive voting is for cowards. If I get lynched, I want to go out in a blaze of glory, tilting ferociously at those lovely windmills.


I'm voting for Golden for three reasons.
1. The itiming of his Day 1 vote looked like an effort to protect DDL to me.
2. I believe Spacedaisy was engaging in high-level distancing when she attacked him. Her attacks came when either she or her teammate were in troble.
3. He expressed suspicion of me, but voted for MM anyway, early and a bit of a throwaway. I believe he did this because I am more suspected by the thread in general, and therefore more useful for a mafia member to keep around, and because it keeps his hands clean of my innocent blood should I actually get lynched.

Oh, and I almost forgot. A Golden lynch gives me Mafia Bingo.

With that pattern it looks like Blooper or Timmer could be the last baddie. One on each row.

Golden, I am not convinced that it is distancing or you are bad. I am quite convinced that Llama is the way to go today and was thrown off when you said him and MM were likely the last two baddies and voted MM so quickly.

note the change

thellama73 wrote:Meh, I decided that defensive voting is for cowards. If I get lynched, I want to go out in a blaze of glory, tilting ferociously at those lovely windmills.


I'm voting for Golden for three reasons.
1. The itiming of his Day 1 vote looked like an effort to protect DDL to me.
2. I believe Spacedaisy was engaging in high-level distancing when she attacked him. Her attacks came when either she or her teammate were in troble.
3. He expressed suspicion of me, but voted for MM anyway, early and a bit of a throwaway. I believe he did this because I am more suspected by the thread in general, and therefore more useful for a mafia member to keep around, and because it keeps his hands clean of my innocent blood should I actually get lynched.

Oh, and I almost forgot. A Golden lynch gives me Mafia Bingo.

With that pattern it looks like Blooper or Timmer could be the last baddie. One on each role.

Golden, I am not convinced that it is distancing or you are bad. I am quite convinced that Llama is the way to go today and was thrown off when you said him and MM were likely the last two baddies and voted MM so quickly.

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote: In this case, how would you know if he was going to throw away his vote or vote you. Curious.

I wouldn't know that. I just said I wouldn't.

In that context you make it seem like you expected him to vote for you... but he threw away his vote. Nothing you are saying is making me feel better about you.

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote: He is the obvious choice, and the person who I expect to be lynched today, and I'm happy with that.

Why do you expect me to be lynched today? Only Black Rock, Hedgeowl,and you have expressed a wish to lynch me. You've wasted your vote early, Hedgeowl will miss the vote. That means I will take one vote and can save myself by piling onto your vote. Your story doesn't check out, Mafia Boy!

thellama73 wrote:Three people want me dead. Likely only one of them is bad. I'm pretty sure it isn't Roxy, so that leaves BR and Hedgebaddie.

I actually feel a little better about Hedgebaddie since she started posting, but on the other hand she has participated for the first time ONLY after I straight up threatened to vote for her, which looks bad to me. Also, her name is a dead giveaway.
I still think Black Rock looks pretty bad too, so I will have to choose between one of them tomorrow.

Before the night was over you did not have Golden on your list so you have gone from three people wanted you dead to three people wanting you dead?

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote: He is the obvious choice, and the person who I expect to be lynched today, and I'm happy with that.

Why do you expect me to be lynched today? Only Black Rock, Hedgeowl,and you have expressed a wish to lynch me. You've wasted your vote early, Hedgeowl will miss the vote. That means I will take one vote and can save myself by piling onto your vote. Your story doesn't check out, Mafia Boy!

Is this why you killed Roxy?

Objection, leading the witness.

I didn't kill Roxy, but it is convenient insofar as it keeps me alive. I couldn't have known Golden would throw his vote away early though.

In this case, how would you know if he was going to throw away his vote or vote you. Curious.

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote: He is the obvious choice, and the person who I expect to be lynched today, and I'm happy with that.

Why do you expect me to be lynched today? Only Black Rock, Hedgeowl,and you have expressed a wish to lynch me. You've wasted your vote early, Hedgeowl will miss the vote. That means I will take one vote and can save myself by piling onto your vote. Your story doesn't check out, Mafia Boy!

Is this why you killed Roxy?

Golden wrote:I'm voting MM because I've been suspicious of him for most of the game and think he is bad.

It is not a nefarious plot to 'keep llama alive' - either because I am his baddie teammate and want to save him or because I am bad and he is good and I want to 'save him for later'.

What do you think of this...

thellama73 wrote:Spacedaisy's comments about Golden are very interesting. When DDL was up for a lynch, she placed a protest vote on Golden. When she was up for a lynch, she suggested we look at Golden after her demise. This is some high-level distancing. Maybe the mafia are not as inept as I thought.

Was Daisy distancing? Is Llama?

Llama is evil, that I am comfortable with. I haven't decided who is the last after that.

I am voting Llama.

Golden wrote:I'm also interested in MM's view of llama.

I think they are bad together.

I'm voting MM.

Why not Llama? He is the more obvious choice. You keep mentioning him but avoid voting him. I find that most curious.

I am most interested to see what your assessment of Llama is.

thellama73 wrote:Yes, yes, three people keep saying they wouldn't mind seeing me lynched, but there has been very little talk of why. You don't like that I like to lynch non-participants, you don't like that I am a bit flippant, I get it. Those are emotional responses, not good reasons for a lynch.

That is not my reasoning at all. Looking over votes and posts I think you are most likely to be bad.

I'm liking Hedgeowls style here. I wouldn't mind seeing a Llama lynch.

I voted for Llama. There are good points raised against Missing Person and he could be Mafia. My gut says Llama and I would like to follow it.

I just got home from work, I can participate with you Llama.

Who are you looking at this lynch?

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Great work on Spacedaisy, gentlemen! I'm not sure that this clears Black Rock in any way, since she was voting is pure self-defense. EVeryone is welcome to suspect me all they want. I have no objection.

Can you please explain to me how I defended DDL again. I don't think it was clear to me.

Yep. I was referring to this post.

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:RIP TH. "Turnip Head has been put down" sounds way more intense than it actually is.

I have conflicted feelings about that. Would have been better if we caught a mafia, but I do agree with the sentiment that inactive civilians make the game harder for the civs.

The other interesting thing is that, in a game with no roles, it almost sounds like there was a tie between DDL and TH. I wonder if there could have been an extra vote going on somewhere in there?

Interesting you would focus on DDL and ignore Missing Person was also mentioned in the same context. I don't think it was a tie as much as story telling.

It reads defensive to me. "WHy are you picking on DLL?" kind of thing. Maybe you didn't intend it that way, but that's how I interpreted it.

Obviously you don't understand the context of the statement or you're just pretending you don't

thellama73 wrote:Great work on Spacedaisy, gentlemen! I'm not sure that this clears Black Rock in any way, since she was voting is pure self-defense. EVeryone is welcome to suspect me all they want. I have no objection.

Can you please explain to me how I defended DDL again. I don't think it was clear to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Day 1

Dragon D. Luffy
3
Epignosis (7), nijuukyugou (8), fingersplints (11)

Day 2

Dragon D. Luffy
5
G-Man (4), Roxy (5), Epignosis (6), Golden (7), thellama73 (8)

With these I would be less suspicious of Epig but not less suspicious of blooper.

When blooper voted I had already stated my intentions to vote TH and he had two votes on him. She did not vote for him day 2. I really need to look at non-voters as well in the first three lynches. That could be another place to hide. Also if you note Llamas vote. He did not vote for DDL day one and he voted for him after it didn't matter on day 2. That and his bullshit attempt at me makes him my biggest suspicion.

See my signature for the answer to your llama suspicion.

I turned sigs off because my internet sucks and I have had troubles loading pages.

Day 1

Dragon D. Luffy
3
Epignosis (7), nijuukyugou (8), fingersplints (11)

Day 2

Dragon D. Luffy
5
G-Man (4), Roxy (5), Epignosis (6), Golden (7), thellama73 (8)

With these I would be less suspicious of Epig but not less suspicious of blooper.

When blooper voted I had already stated my intentions to vote TH and he had two votes on him. She did not vote for him day 2. I really need to look at non-voters as well in the first three lynches. That could be another place to hide. Also if you note Llamas vote. He did not vote for DDL day one and he voted for him after it didn't matter on day 2. That and his bullshit attempt at me makes him my biggest suspicion.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know BR. Epignosis and nijuukyugou were the first two players to vote DDL on Day 1. If it's vote records we're looking at, that's got to mean something too.

Linki: I will agree with you there.

I haven't gone that far back yet, just thinking about this lynch so far.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Black Rock, can you state a reason for your suspicion of Epignosis other than his vote which appears to be coincidental?

His vote is coincidental, anything else revolves around is close-mindedness concerning me. I'm not sure if that makes him bad but he looks more bad than other players right now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis is one player that you can throw conventional baddie teamplay out the window when you inspect his votes. On top of that, the lynch was still wide open when he voted.

It's true, he prides himself on being unpredictable. If Blooper is not the baddie, he probably is. Unless one of her teammates voted earlier for her in hopes that every one else would pile on me. It's not a perfect evaluation but I bet Llama or Blooper is her teammate. Llama looks really bad in my eyes right now.

Closed-mindedness?

I notice that your list of remaining teammates is literally anybody who voted and didn't vote spacedaisy. That's what I would call closed-minded.

I think I referenced that, at least I did in my head. They could have taken a chance that more people would vote for me. I felt I was a bigger lynch candidate by the thread talk. Maybe they did too. If I were to pick someone that voted for Daisy I would pick Timmer. He might have thought he was voting off.

I would have to review everything before I settled on my vote tomorrow. This is just a jumping off point for me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Black Rock, can you state a reason for your suspicion of Epignosis other than his vote which appears to be coincidental?

His vote is coincidental, anything else revolves around is close-mindedness concerning me. I'm not sure if that makes him bad but he looks more bad than other players right now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis is one player that you can throw conventional baddie teamplay out the window when you inspect his votes. On top of that, the lynch was still wide open when he voted.

It's true, he prides himself on being unpredictable. If Blooper is not the baddie, he probably is. Unless one of her teammates voted earlier for her in hopes that every one else would pile on me. It's not a perfect evaluation but I bet Llama or Blooper is her teammate. Llama looks really bad in my eyes right now.

With this lynch I will be looking at nijuukyugou, thellama73, Golden, and Epignosis for the last two mafia members. I feel as the lynch was going and how easily it could have switched to me that at least one team member voted for me and maybe the other one voted off. Looking at the votes I would say Golden is the least likely to be her teammate. He voted later and not for me to try and save Daisy. She also wanted to point her finger his way. I feel like she still felt she had a chance at that point. Unless it was a big wifom and they had already decided to let her be lynched. I just don't believe that is the case at this point. I could have just as easily been lynched this time around and I believe Golden would have voted me if he was her teammate.

Llama completely misinterpreted my posts and instead of quoting that particular post he decided to refer to it with a completely false statement. This could have led someone who was not paying attention to believe that I had actually defended DDL instead of the actual truth, which was a misunderstanding between me and Golden over a host edited post.

Two baddies left and Llama is at the top of my list followed by Epig and blooper.

Elohcin wrote:

Spacedaisy has been put down. She was a member of the Mafia. You have 23 hours to send in your PMs.

You had me feeling bad for my self-preservation vote. Very tricksy.

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:RIP TH. "Turnip Head has been put down" sounds way more intense than it actually is.

I have conflicted feelings about that. Would have been better if we caught a mafia, but I do agree with the sentiment that inactive civilians make the game harder for the civs.

The other interesting thing is that, in a game with no roles, it almost sounds like there was a tie between DDL and TH. I wonder if there could have been an extra vote going on somewhere in there?

Interesting you would focus on DDL and ignore Missing Person was also mentioned in the same context. I don't think it was a tie as much as story telling.

I think llama was referring to this - it's all I can see. But it would definitely be blowing this comment way out of context. This one was when you thought I misrepresented Elo's post but actually she had edited it.

Then Llama misrepresented my post.

thellama73 wrote:The G-Man kill has given me a lot to think about. I think we are dealing with a mostly absent, panicky mafia getting rid of someone who was on their trail. The Ricochet kill was smart, but after the loss of DDL, the G-Man kill was artless. I agree with Epi that the team was MIA on Day 2. Epi, for example, would never have allowed such a kill if he were mafia.

Spacedaisy defended DDL and pushed a Golden lynch.
Hedgeowl has a total of three, mostly off-topic posts, and would likely throw down a reflex NK.

Black Rock wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm probably going to vote for Turnip Head just to piss everyone off.

Why would that piss everyone off?

People hate when I vote for non-participants or people who "have not had the chance to defend themselves."

Turnip Head has been absent in several games though, so I think this is a different situation.

I agree and am also going to vote for Turnip Head.

What is BR agreeing with here? That she wants to piss people off? That people hate it when I vote for non-participants? Her vote is poorly explained. She goes on:

Black Rock wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Bummer. That was some really solid play you were making here, Ricochet. Hope I play again with you some time.

I'm reading through day 1 posts and BR's ones caught my attention. It feels to me her vote on TH was pretty oportunistic. She only agreed with what splints said then jumped on the wagon later in the phase, after waiting for two players to do it first. And did not say much more. I'm leaning mafia on her.

TBH it was opportunistic and a little frustration with TH atm. It was day 1 none of you really look that suspicious and so I voted for a non-player. He is a non-player and I don't think he would have ever showed up. I actually wasn't waiting for more people to do it. I didn't have to wait for other players to do it at all, I was already taking an easy way out.

Interesting little exchange with Dragon. She defended him earlier, saying "why are you focusing on Dragon?" I think BR looks bad.

Now, MM< because I promised:
He also gently pushed a Golden lynch, but other than that, he reads pretty genuine to me. I also feel better about Golden after rereading him, but am not ready to completely absolve him yet.

What? I don't recall defending him at all. My memory must have gotten real bad.

I voted for Daisy because I want to live.

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:also Pretty Boy how do you feel about MM now?

This was to the pink and pretty Epi

Sorry. I passed this by not knowing it was to me.

MM is in my naughty list because he didn't vote.

Lots of people voted Day 1. DDL was in trouble.

Few people voted Day 2. DDL was in trouble.

I think DDL has a team that got busy and didn't show Day 2.

Like Black Rock.

I'm sorry if you don't like to vote Black Rock. Given the shit that has gone down, she remains my top suspect.

Addendum: I don't mind being closed-minded when it comes to Mafia.

I can't wait to prove you wrong.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:That... is very bad. Damn. You will be missed, G-Man.

And not surprising. The previous kill was an analytical guy who talked at night.

My opinion hasn't changed on Black Rock.

It doesn't bother you that a known baddie was trying to get me lynched?

No. And I don't think he was trying to get you lynched.

I'm trying to get you lynched.

I think he was hoping the ball would roll more my direction. I was his easiest target.

You are being very close minded with me, it's traveling across games.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:That... is very bad. Damn. You will be missed, G-Man.

And not surprising. The previous kill was an analytical guy who talked at night.

My opinion hasn't changed on Black Rock.

It doesn't bother you that a known baddie was trying to get me lynched?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:G-Man is making strange posts calling me strange.

I cannot win at this game.

Tell me about it, I'm bad in every game.

Sorry I missed the vote, even with 48 hours. I just got home and unpacked from the Rodeo. I'm exhausted. Good job getting a Mafia.

Epignosis, I will have to review the first lynch to really understand how I voted at a very key moment. When I looked at the poll it doesn't show that so it must be thread based. The person who voted before me and after me were aware that my vote was indeed going on TH. I do admit my vote was easy and maybe a little selfish. It was day one and I went on a whim.

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Look, the point is, she could have came up with an excuse for her lack of activity and bad vote, but instead she openly came out and said "yeah my vote sucked". Even if she is mafia, there is a degree of honesty to it, because she is admitting her vote sucked.

The problem is that if she is mafia, this is an effective strategy to get people's sympathies without having to come up with an excuse.

Mmm.

Her vote sucked. I don't care about that. I care that she "forgot" to vote and then voted at a crucial moment.

A crucial moment?

Sounds a bit theatrical.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Bummer. That was some really solid play you were making here, Ricochet. Hope I play again with you some time.

I'm reading through day 1 posts and BR's ones caught my attention. It feels to me her vote on TH was pretty oportunistic. She only agreed with what splints said then jumped on the wagon later in the phase, after waiting for two players to do it first. And did not say much more. I'm leaning mafia on her.

TBH it was opportunistic and a little frustration with TH atm. It was day 1 none of you really look that suspicious and so I voted for a non-player. He is a non-player and I don't think he would have ever showed up. I actually wasn't waiting for more people to do it. I didn't have to wait for other players to do it at all, I was already taking an easy way out.

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Sorry, I had to edit it. This game is simple, no lynch manipulations. This is my first time hosting by myself.

Thank goodness I am not going mad!

Well in that case your post makes a lot more sense.

Golden wrote:RIP TH. "Turnip Head has been put down" sounds way more intense than it actually is.

I have conflicted feelings about that. Would have been better if we caught a mafia, but I do agree with the sentiment that inactive civilians make the game harder for the civs.

The other interesting thing is that, in a game with no roles, it almost sounds like there was a tie between DDL and TH. I wonder if there could have been an extra vote going on somewhere in there?

Interesting you would focus on DDL and ignore Missing Person was also mentioned in the same context. I don't think it was a tie as much as story telling.

I voted TH, meant to do it earlier but forgot.

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm probably going to vote for Turnip Head just to piss everyone off.

Why would that piss everyone off?

People hate when I vote for non-participants or people who "have not had the chance to defend themselves."

Turnip Head has been absent in several games though, so I think this is a different situation.

I agree and am also going to vote for Turnip Head.

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I was under the impression it was like the game therefore the pictures.

When I play Guess Who, I always ask about the backstories of the characters like "Does his job make him happy?"

I don't usually win.

I've never tried this before.

I was under the impression it was like the game therefore the pictures.