The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:I gots ta go! OR, we could lynch a baddie. That would be legit.

I mean I do think you're bad but the lack of opposition to your lynch is making me pretty uncomfortable. I am also very inclined to believe that if I think someone is bad then they're probably not. So I don't know. I believe you're bad but I don't believe in myself/my thought process, if that makes any sense. Who do you think is bad at the current moment?

Spacedaisy wrote:Yeah, sorry but according to Typh it seemssure that ekeknat is good and LC is bad. So I am going to have to believe that to be info coming from someone who had an alignment check ability. I think I would have to echo his thoughts about ekeknat being a great candidate for protection tonight.

Typh did not have an alignment check ability...? He just appeared to be from the other "group" (groups being Gay Parade and Coquelicot) to any role checkers. He was not himself a role checker. I am getting more and more suspicious of you as the night goes on.

ekeknat wrote:From Made's role reveal, we can deduce this:
- Anyone who was insanified, at this point, was likely GP. We know this was true for MM who was nightkilled. Nutella doesn't seem to have used her powers - Made tried to investigate Typhoony, who ended up coming up Rose Robert (AND THIS IS IMPORTANT - GO HAVE A LOOK AT THE ROLE SHEET IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT TYPH'S ROLE DOES).

I am confused by this. Was Typhoony ever insanified? If Made tried check Typhoony who was actually Coquelicot, but showed up as Gay Parade, then which of them would end up getting insanified? I'm assuming Made would, since insanifying Typhoony from that check would just defeat the purpose of the role. So then how do you know Made tried to investigate him?

ekeknat wrote: - Zebra is definitely GP. THIS IS IMPORTANT! I've thought she (whom I didn't know was a she, so sorry if I've referred to you differently before) was a baddie for a while, but now that we have this low amount of people in the game we can use this to confirm it even further.

This really seems like it's coming out of nowhere.

Spacedaisy wrote:I have a sinking feeling I was just fooled.

This kind of pinged me a little bit. Expressing regret before the lynch was posted? Idk it just seems a little weird, but I'm not sure if it means anything. I am so torn on how I feel about Spacedaisy, even since the beginning of the game. My instinct immediately said civ and I do not trust my instincts, which is why I voted for her on the first day. But then she almost got lynched the next day, and when she didn't, all the suspicion on her just disappeared. Though I agree with mostly everyone (which is scary that there's not much opposition) that Long Con definitely needs to go tomorrow. First priority at the moment.

Linki- Tons of it!

to all the Made voters. :'(

I am super uncomfortable with a Made lynch today, so I am going to vote for LC. Most of the points made against Made seem to have come from a misunderstanding of the detective role. As far as I understand it, the detective checks someone every night, and if they are on the GP side (no matter if they're good or bad), they will become insanified, and if they are on Coquelicot, then the detective will become insanified and will learn if they are good or bad.

Long Con wrote:The reason I see it that way is that your defenses of her are based on "knowing her in real life" even though you've "never seen her baddie game". If you have never seen it, how can you be SO SURE that you would know what it looks like? It reeks of buddying.

No one has ever seen my "baddie game" because it has never happened. I don't even know what I would be like as not a civ. But I think someone who knows me well saying that I'm acting normal is not very suspicious.

ekeknat wrote:

DFaraday wrote: Given that the Detective specifically insanifies baddies, it's a fairly strong possibility.

This is not what the Detective character on Coquelicot civ side did. It specifically insanified Gay Parade members in general. The other silencing would have been the Coquelicot mafia guy, who must have checked him at some point as well.

The detective also insanifies himself! Does no one else see that, or am I reading the role wrong or something?

So when my computer died yesterday, it did not save the post I was making to answer LC's question about why I agreed with ekeknat that he (LC) might be bad, and I have a lot of school work that will get in the way of rewriting that post. I basically said that me saying "a lot of sense" might have been a bit of an exaggeration, and it wasn't entirely from what ekeknat had said, some suspicion came from things typhoony said also, who we now know was not bad.

I agree that civs need to stick together. Mafia is mafia and the GP baddies do not know who is on which civ team. They are going to kill civs all the same. Just because the all the Coquelicot baddies are dead does not mean the Coquelicot civvies are safe.

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not realize Made has been insanified twice. It makes it pretty likely he is GP it seems from looking over the roles. I don't see why the other team would have hit him twice. I think it warrants putting my vote there.

I don't understand this? Why is it likely that he's GP?
I would like to bring attention to something I said earlier in the game:

Dana wrote:I think once we see the same person insanified twice, we can probably assume they are the detective, right?

I still believe this. It is the most simple and most likely answer. It seems like there is some crazy manipulation going on up in here.

indiglo wrote: And guys, please remember this. 3 posts, 3 different hours of the day. I think it's really important right now!

Does day mean a mafia day or the 24 hours from when that post was made real life day?

Also I am working on answering your question, LC. And I do not currently think made is bad but I will do some catching up now.

So it seems like we were very wrong about Typhoony (sorry)
I definitely do not feel very comfortable with all the votes for Black Rock. I mean I'm not sure I completely trust her but I just have a bad feeling about lynching her, and how easily it seems to be happening. It definitely seems like the baddies could have killed S~V~S just to frame BR like someone said earlier.
As for who to vote for, I am torn between Zebra, LC, and Spacedaisy. Anyone else find it weird that Spacedaisy was almost lynched and then didn't get voted for again after that (as far as I can remember)? I think ekeknat is making a lot of sense with his points about LC, but I am going to vote for Zebra today just because I trust her the most at the moment and voting for suspicious people does not seem to be working, so hopefully this will.

Hi friends. I do not have a chance right now to catch up, but I will be I'm a meeting for the next three hours so I'm going to vote for typhoony now.

Oh man, did not realize the deadline would be moved to this early. S~V~S

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Can you clarify this post a little? It looks like the translator got it really bad, I see maybe three words that look like they were meant to be there.

Typhoony wrote: Have you ever been on a baddie team where people actively tell the lower posters to be more active in the thread when there hasn't been any suspicion thrown against them so far?
I'd love to hear it if so.

I have never been on a baddie team at all ever. I am just assuming that a baddie team would not let their members accumulate votes for not normally voting/playing since it would just hurt their team to lose members.

I still don't entirely understand your statistics. I was going with scenario 1, so I didn't think it mattered. Of course I wouldn't create a tie if I didn't think both people were bad.

Was Made silenced today? He voted without saying anything, and he did say something while insanified similar to "why not just silence me then?"

Spacedaisy wrote:How could Zebra know that with the presence of two baddie teams in play here?

The only possibility of this is if Mimi Merlot's secrets were some sort of role check, but I don't know how likely that would be. I don't see anything in the other bad roles that would give them information on who is civ and who is on the other baddie team.

I think I am going to vote Typhoony again because I still don't feel great about his Boulders vote and his vote for dispor seems kind of similar in a way. I have this (maybe not too well thought out) theory that someone who doesn't really play much in a game is probably a civvie since if they weren't, their teammates would be encouraging them to be around more or at least vote to avoid penalties. And while I would like dispor to be more involved, lynching him just because he's not here isn't helpful to us because one less civ is still one less civ and helps the baddies get closer to winning.

Long Con wrote:

DFaraday wrote:My read of Daisy didn't yield much except that she's clearly not Nutella's teammate, which everyone has figured out anyway. She's been very supportive of SVS, and consistently against LC, but that's not of much help without knowing either of their alignments.

Did I miss something re: Dana? A bunch of people are saying her vote isn't suspicious at all (Zebra is being weirdly forceful about it), but given the circumstances, doesn't it at least merit looking into further?

I think people believe it's too blatant to be real... either that, or they just plain believe her that she wanted a tie.

Dana has kept up her suspicion of Typhoony, which is the reason why she was cool with a tie (suspecting both Typh and nutella)... so at least that's consistent with her story.

Is it that bad to be okay with creating a tie when you're fine with either of the two being lynched? I don't see why that's such a big deal. Also I don't think I would say that Zebra is being weirdly forceful, especially while she's insanified and we only have snippets of what she actually wants to say. I feel like what you mean or want to say could easily be turned completely around by the translator unluckily changing one word, so I'm not sure how much analysis we should put into insanified posts in general unless they're pretty clear.

Long Con wrote:

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Off topic I guess, but what are these spoiler tags and when should they be used? I do not remember these from the last games I've played. It seems some people are using it to hide/shorten long quotes threads?

Wow, I really wish I could understand more of a2thezebra's posts, it sucks that she's insanified.

Long Con wrote:Today, I'm likely going to vote for Dana, made, or sprityo. Dana made the sketchy save attempt on Nutella, made is a possible recruit, and sprityo's actions around the time of nutella's Lynch were super sketchy as well.

I have explained my vote for typhoony multiple times, I was not trying to save nutella. I am not sure who to vote for today, but I think it is more likely for made to not be a recruit since the detective himself will become insanified half the time, and half of the rest of the people playing have a chance to be insanified by him. I think once we see the same person insanified twice, we can probably assume they are the detective, right? (I hope this speculation doesn't count as role outing...) I also doubt that sprityo is bad, they just seem like they are not quite so invested in this game, or are forgetful, or have to deal with real life things, etc.

At the moment I am trusting spacedaisy, a2thezebra, and ekeknat the most, so one of them is probably bad since I don't think they are. I am unsure how I feel about black rock and SVS, and I am a little bit suspicious of typhoony and LC. Everyone else is pretty neutral to me as of right now.

Typhoony wrote:

Dana wrote:It's not that I wanted to force a tie in the end, I just figured if they are equally suspicious to me (which isn't even all that suspicious in general, just more than the rest of everyone), then I will let the fates decide. Or other people who vote after me. I am equally as okay with lynching either of them. If Nutella had 3 votes and typhoony had 4 at the time of my voting then I would have voted for Nutella, but it didn't work out that way.

This is NOT the right way to think about it.

Creating ties generally favors baddies as they are more informed than the rest of us. You are giving them a potential out to easily save their teammate.
So if we look at yesterday's poll, nutella was bad. If her teammate wanted to save her, you gave them an easy way to do so by tying it up. Would've been better to vote nutella there and try and make sure a tie would not happen.

I guess this makes some sense, but I still stand by my choice. We didn't know for certain that nutella was bad before her role was revealed, right? And my view was that you were (are?) equally as likely to be bad as nutella was. It could have just as easily been your teammate trying to save you (and maybe they did by voting for nutella, who knows?) I would not have created a tie if I thought at the time that one of the two of you weren't bad. If I was more sure that nutella was bad, then I would have voted her, but I wasn't.

Ayyyyyyy we did the thing! Good job guys.

It's not that I wanted to force a tie in the end, I just figured if they are equally suspicious to me (which isn't even all that suspicious in general, just more than the rest of everyone), then I will let the fates decide. Or other people who vote after me. I am equally as okay with lynching either of them. If Nutella had 3 votes and typhoony had 4 at the time of my voting then I would have voted for Nutella, but it didn't work out that way.

Not really. I mean, she's still just as suspicious but typhoony was equally as suspicious to me and I would rather tie the vote than not.

I don't remember figuring that out Nutella but I also can't really talk since I wasn't really around. Hmm. Hard decision. I think I'm going to vote typhoony because I still don't trust that boulders vote and also to make it a tie.

I actually think I will have a chance to check in and vote from my phone between meetings tonight, so I'll come back in about an hour. I want to give Nutella a chance to respond. I didn't notice when she said she knew she was wrong about Scotty, I don't understand where that came from.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:lol I am definitely not organized. As usual I have no idea what's going on or who to suspect. My style may have felt different during the Scotty debacle because I ended up having some conviction about that, and of course I was wrong. Now I don't have any opinions

Now she does not have any opinions. Those pesky opinions always cause trouble!

I can vote there, for sure.

How did she know she was wrong? We don't know who Scotty was. Super fishy.

I won't be around until after the poll ends so I'm going to have to vote within the next 15 minutes or so even though I'm not really that suspicious of anyone. Spacedaisy surviving the last lynch and the posts she made just before that day ended made me even more convinced that she's civ. So I'm not sure if I want to vote for her again because of that or not. I agree that nutella has been acting a little odd, but I don't really want to vote when I'm so unsure about her. I also thought Typhoony's vote against boulders was a little too fast and lacked some justification, but like I said earlier, I'm not really sure if that's enough to go on.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Typhoony wrote:I'm assuming they are using this insanitygenerator?

http://www.mikesteffler.com/InsanityGenerator.html

infatuated don't know what NotInOxford talking Crude Yacht.

Does this mean you're not using that link?

Typhoony wrote:Don't bother too much. LC made the damn thing and he says that it's basically impossible.

Whoa, that's actually pretty cool that LC made it, good job! Decoding stuff is so much fun though, I wish there was a way to figure it out. But yeah, after messing with it for a little while, it does seem mostly random. I could keep trying to find some patterns in it but I'm not sure how well that will work out.

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Growing up is not so tough, Turnip Head when I've had enough but there's lots misclassified fun stuff Psionic Ninja Caillou, sponginess Caillou, I'm Caillou. That's investigate!

I'm just a kid who's four, each day I grow some more, I like exploring I'm Caillou,
So many things to do, each day is something new, I'll share them with you I'm Caillou.
My world is turning, changing each day..with mommy and daddy I'm finding my way.
Growing up is not so tough, except when I've had enough but there's lots of fun stuff I'm Caillou, Caillou, Caillou, I'm Caillou. That's me!

So it doesn't seem to be one word for one word. I can't find really find a pattern but this was fun anyway!

Long Con wrote:Detective Dullight:
In his brain there are file cabinets and secretaries filing their nails downstairs.
Searches for Coquelicot players every night. If his target is a member of The Gay Parade, they will become insanified. If his target is from Coquelicot, Detective Dullight will learn their alignment and become insanified himself.

Lecithin E.:
oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes. oh no oh no oh no oh no.
Insanifies a player every night with his experiments. Once in the game, the insanified player may be recruited to the Coquelicot Baddies. The player will take over the team's kill, but won't have BTSC with the other two or be aware of their identities.

So, looks like both of these roles were active on Night 2, and neither one was on Night 1.

Are you told when you are insanified or does it just surprise you when you try to post? I don't think I posted during day 2 at all, so if you're not sent a message or anything, then the roles could have been active without anyone knowing or seeing the results.

Made wrote:non dictinary wrds mayb?

Works, but I think it's kind of cheating. Sorta ruins the point of being insanified, even if it is a creative workaround. But I guess we can let Enrique have the final say on that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I [/b]idiot of the day won't post antifebrile today, Rose someone Can you dig it? Rose intercessory decipher me uninured.

I mean "won't post... today" is maybe telling us that they won't post anymore today? And the reason I asked about being able to decode it was from the "decipher" because it could mean either "hey try to decipher me" or "you won't be able to decipher me." So maybe if we know about the mechanics of it, then we could figure out if it's even possible or worth it to try and figure out.

Ah, okay. I guess I didn't read the win requirements that clearly, but that makes a lot more sense. Thank you for clarifying.

I really want to apologize for missing the last lynch vote and otherwise being not around recently. The college life is busy but I'll hopefully be around more often from here on. Now on to playing catch up and replying to things:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok first of all, why do people insist on voting for me for seeming civ? This is like the third time I've had someone do that to me in this past year. Weird to me.

Sorry about that, I didn't know that's happened to you so often but like I said, I really don't think you're bad, and going with the "vote who you trust the most" thing possibly works. I feel bad that it was you that I voted for, but you seriously seemed so genuine and good in the beginning of the game. And I still think you are, especially after you were almost lynched yesterday. I agree, that whole thing seemed super fishy.

Black Rock wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Voted Boulders. Nutella/lc don't have any votes, so voting him because he only seems interested in filling the thread with nonsense.

I am voting for Typhoony, this post/vote doesn't sit right with me.

I definitely agree with this. It seemed like a weird, very opportunistic vote. Though I'm not sure if it's enough to go on to say that he's definitely bad.

S~V~S wrote:I never get overly engaged in being a civ unless I have identifiable civ teammates, like I did in LOST. So it will suck for my civ team if I die, but I would rather die & prove you wrong than have to deal with this constant poking.

That's a little concerning and also sad I mean, yeah, being a civ and being suspected sucks but I don't think that means you should turn yourself into a martyr because in the end it just hurts the goal you're working towards.

sig wrote:Two reasons baddie teams have no reason to kill each other, and he survived a lynch which I doubt is a baddia power, so I'm assuming he wasn't. Yes I know mafia can wagon on someone who isn't lynched but there is little reason to do that and vote without reason day 1 if you are mafia.

I do not really understand this post much. There is plenty of reason for baddie teams to kill each other, since they have to kill everyone else but themselves to win, and they know who they themselves are, right? So anyone not on their own team is a perfectly good target for them. Maybe I didn't get the context of this conversation that well but I'm not sure, this post just didn't seem to make much sense to me.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm sick of driving people away here for having an aggressive play style.

I wanted to comment on your play style but I wasn't sure how, and I guess aggressive is the best term for it. On the one hand, I really really really don't believe that a baddie would be consistently bringing so much attention to themselves like this, but on the other hand, I also don't really know you at all or how you normally play so maybe this is just normal for you, and if you are bad then you would continue to play the same way as normal to avoid suspicion. But I guess for now I would say that I don't really think you are bad. Which is bad for my whoever-you-don't-think-is-bad-is-actually-bad mindset. Mafia is hard.


On the Boulders/skyguy/ekeknat thing, it was all very entertaining (I guess), and reminded me of Made's interesting posting style back when we first started playing here (good times). For transparency, as far as I know, none of the three know each other IRL (though I might be wrong about that) and what ekeknat has said about IRC was correct. Boulders saying that someone with skyguy's exact username was never on the IRC is technically correct but they do still know each other by a different name. I am pretty sure all this stuff about a bar and stalking was completely made up. Though I guess it doesn't matter too much now, but I just thought I should add what I know about the situation.


Also, about the insanified thing, can I have some information on how exactly it works? Is each post run through some sort of insanity translator or something similar that we could return it back through? Is there any way for us to possibly decode what MM is saying, or is it just all hopelessly random and we just have to try not pay too much attention to it?

Okay, so once upon a time in a game not so long ago, I decided to vote for the person that I trusted the most, and they turned out to be bad. So I think I am going to continue with this method, even if it might be a little to early to tell who I trust yet. The person that stood out to me as I was reading as very civ like was spacedaisy. Now, just to be clear, I do NOT think she is bad. I have agreed with pretty much all of her posts so far, and she seems to be nothing but good. Which is why I am going to vote for her. I'm sure this is a risky or weird tactic but it has worked for me in the past so I'm hoping it will work again.

Boulders wrote:

Dana wrote:

Scotty wrote:Do you guys know each other l, or I am missing the slip? Sorry, not slip, I mean "joke".

I know Boulders is a friend of Enrique's from IRC and I am like 99% certain that catlover is from that same IRC too, though I'm not certain because I know multiple people named catlover (welcome to my life) so it could be someone else that I don't think knows Boulders. But I am pretty confident it's the one that knows him and Enri.

sorry friend I don't know what you are talking about

I don't know if you're actually just messing with me or not, but I'm almost certain you and catlover are friends. Unless it's a different catlover. Then you can just completely ignore me.

Scotty wrote:Do you guys know each other l, or I am missing the slip? Sorry, not slip, I mean "joke".

I know Boulders is a friend of Enrique's from IRC and I am like 99% certain that catlover is from that same IRC too, though I'm not certain because I know multiple people named catlover (welcome to my life) so it could be someone else that I don't think knows Boulders. But I am pretty confident it's the one that knows him and Enri.

Also where is Made? Homie g, where you be at get in the mafia game lyfe.

If that was a reference to a previous game, why was that not mentioned before? I feel like that's kind of important information in this situation. It would explain the joke pretty much completely and this whole thing would not have been an issue.

Scotty wrote:I can run a cycle of clothes with her wishy-washy approach to this.

Can I just say that this is amazing.

Scotty wrote:Yo @Dana, you responded to SVS about how she is working way too early (I agree. Holy hell woman) but you didn't express your thoughts on the matter.

Who do you think looks worse for wear right now?

Honestly? I think it's a little too early to tell. The game technically hasn't even started yet, has it? We're still waiting for people to get here. Though it is entertaining that this has turned into a whole thing, I really don't think it's that important. It looked like a joke to me, but I also don't know most of you super well, so maybe someone that knows your sense of humor better could give some more insight. The people jumping on the bandwagon are suspicious, but then again, so are the people jumping on the people who are suspicious of the original post.

I forgot if games usually start with a night or a day post. Are we going to have to vote for someone as soon as everyone gets here?

S~V~S wrote: I have to be at work at about 7:30. I am NOT a morning person, so the getting up at 5:30 thing was a challenge at first. But it is nice being home and done with errands before most people get out of work, so I deal. But yeah.

Oh man, that's so early! The real world is so scary. I have 8am classes every day this semester and I've been worried about making it through. Though I am starting to like that time early in the morning before anyone else is awake and you can just get ready and chill. Very peaceful.

S~V~S wrote: And yes, I did not read the rules yet (that's next) but I do know that Enri liked the idea of hidden onsite chat threads like we have in the heists. So cross posting would be easier that way, although I have seen baddies with a regular chatroom offsite still crosspost, so I have also seen them think they were writing a PM when they were actually writing a post. I actually think I may have done that once, lol.

So there's just another thread somewhere that's like this one but private? Also, what are heists?

S~V~S wrote:I come on site about 6:30, take care of admin stuff & now my game, and then if I am playing, I post.

Is that... AM? How do you do it?!

Typhoony wrote:Why would he even post it in a thread at all?

The rules post says something about a subforum? I've only had BTSC once in a mafia game and it was in this like chatroom link thing, but maybe they changed the format of BTSC? No idea.

Yo whatup homies. Can we organize a listen-along to the album(s) this game is based on? It seems like it would be cool.