The Syndicate

Dana wrote:Would he say yes if he was unsure?

Yes.

Made wrote:Killing a thread 101

juliets wrote:Made, I don't think anyone has asked you this straight out: do you know what happened in the lynch that resulted in you being saved? This is a yes or no question as I'm sure it would break the rules for you to expound on it.

Yes

Before i forget, People keep saying "i'm a bit dense" Is that a reference to something, or just an expression I'd hadn't heard previous.

Enrique wrote:
Made wrote:Organized by how much they wanted the booty
1. Canuck
2. Enrique (tho he's trying to separate himself from me might warrant him lower on the list)
3. Bea
4. Bullz
4. reywaS
5. BWT (Barely made the list, his lack of aggression towards me makes me think he think favorably of me, but could be me misinterpreting his caution of put me on the defensive.)

Night 2 is when most of my reinforcements arrived. Fucking fair weather friends...
I don't think i'm forgetting anyone, but iunno.
Players are allowed to change their minds. In light of AP's lynch and the surrounding theories, I trust you.

@ Blooper - Look at AP's role, then look at that role in the context of the movie. Maybe you'll see what we're getting at.

Also, I haven't seen the movie, which probably explains why this theory hasn't clicked for me yet.

Organized by how much they wanted the booty
1. Canuck
2. Enrique (tho he's trying to separate himself from me might warrant him lower on the list)
3. Bea
4. Bullz
4. reywaS
5. BWT (Barely made the list, his lack of aggression towards me makes me think he think favorably of me, but could be me misinterpreting his caution of put me on the defensive.)

Night 2 is when most of my reinforcements arrived. Fucking fair weather friends...
I don't think i'm forgetting anyone, but iunno.

Also just caught this

S~V~S wrote: Made is civ, and they are using him and his notoriety for cred. I am less likely to believe this one, though, since he has said a few BTS-ish things.

I just can't get his support group out of my mind.

If you're referring to my "And Canuck will moderate " comment, I was just trying to bring her into the public eye along with everyone else on my list. I still don't understand her angle, nor what bea was getting at, but the idea of a seemer even existing makes me anxious. I also don't have BTSC so there's that.

As for my current theory, I think two mafia teams exist. both want the cred of saying they knew i was civvie all along, but both also want me dead/the center of attention.

The reason I say two is because it would explain the amount of people vouching for me. Both teams wanna cash in on my ass, but neither wants to be the one who lynched me.

linki- posting list after this!

juliets wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I don't think I will be voting for Made today~ I think I am going to reread the people I think of as his supporters, and perhaps vote for one of them.
S~V~S, who do you think of as his supporters?

Interjection, permission to make this list myself?

Welp, 20 hours are up, and i see we're still pretty much solely talking about me. Baller, didn't know I had you guys hooked THAT hard. Regardless...
Few things:
1. If there are players in this game that think i'm good, the best way to pursue my alivenessness is to question others and bring theories against them.
2. Read the pinging post against MM, as well as last (irl) night's arguments against Mongoose, I'll reread Mongoose and MM today and see where that leaves me.
3. It took me 2 hours to write my argument against MR. Does it seriously not resonate with anyone???

I still think we should listen to dennis and pursue quieter people. You could probably go to any of the 6 pages of post i've made this thread and find something interesting against me. What about those who weren't so talkative? MM and Mongoose are great starts, but we should continue with other quiet type people.

Gonna limit myself to less than 30 post before lynch in hope of facilitating new theories.

Boogs wrote:I take your attempt to call out 5 quieter people a ploy to get suspicion off you, but nice try...

Because it's you, and I genuinely want others to talk I'll explain this.
If i were civvie(which i am), wouldn't i also want to get suspicion of off me and not die? What i am doing is increasing the pool of people to draw suspicion from. I'm also trying to get more civvies into this game. Just doing that doesn't shake off any suspicion of me, but give us more people to compare my "Badness" to. No harm in that right?

linki- it's cool MR <3

I talk too much. I'm not going to talk for the next 20 hours. Please discuss the quiet people. Do it for my dude dennis.

Made wrote:...gonna go out on a limb and assume i wasn't silenced? Rip this weeks productivity...
My case came out to 3 1/2 pages on a word doc, so they're that. Also I like this Dennis dude, we should totally be bffs.

Calling out 5 quiet people

Dana
Squid (bloops/nijuukyugou)
LoRab
Boogs
And Ketterman who isn't on the poll for reasons.....

Canuck will moderate....ANNNNNNDDDDD GO

Reposting so we can actually talk about these people....
linki-Thanks for the imput boogs.
We would like to personally invite you to a socratic seminar. While Canuck would be hosting, she will not be leading discussion. I'd love to hear your thoughts on everyone, especially on those we, as a group have glossed over!

S~V~S wrote:Dennis, lots of us love our OT. It's a game, we're here to have fun. You obviously never played at hedville, where the Mods threatened to flay you if you had too many srs posts.

Also, awesome that the baddies seem to be killing their competition, not us

Made wrote:...gonna go out on a limb and assume i wasn't silenced? Rip this weeks productivity...
My case came out to 3 1/2 pages on a word doc, so they're that. Also I like this Dennis dude, we should totally be bffs.

Calling out 5 quiet people

Dana
Squid (bloops/nijuukyugou)
LoRab
Boogs
And Ketterman who isn't on the poll for reasons.....

Canuck will moderate....ANNNNNNDDDDD GO

linki- yeah, I did say that MR. I also did this during Misfits with my "TRUST SVS" post....good times....
Canuck will moderate?

She's quiet but got really loud for the first time last night. She seems to know what's going on(Famous last words?-I mean this like she literally understand most arguments against people), plus her in a room with a bunch of quiet type people sounds amazing.

Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:*waits patiently for the baddies and indies to all merc each other deaded*

@Made: Go on...

Also, your "no u" accusation is apples and oranges. I have been mostly commenting on others' cases, yes, to confirm agreement with them; and I feel that I offer my own perspective as to why I share those pings. My point on Enrique was that he was middling and deflecting from cases being built. I like to night hide, so I'll offer some thoughts on the posts I read when I have time tonight.

Regardless, I'm placing my vote on him again, as I do believe his waffling from defending you to condemning you is calculated on his part.

But hey, if you continue to offer such damning evidence, maybe I'll switch my vote to me!

Linki: Maybe I'm misrememberng, but I thought Made hated the idea of night hiding in Misfits? If I'm thinking of someone else, please correct me.

Made wrote: The Trick to avoiding scrutiny:
1. Say someone's argument is stupid and has no basis
2. Refute a single point
3. Ignoring the accusing player for the remainder of the day
4. Repeat 1-3 with other as need be.
linki- Woah, Enri, my dude.

Woah, Ignore this, I very VERY much misread your post. My bad.

Mister Rearranger wrote:*waits patiently for the baddies and indies to all merc each other deaded*

@Made: Go on...

Also, your "no u" accusation is apples and oranges. I have been mostly commenting on others' cases, yes, to confirm agreement with them; and I feel that I offer my own perspective as to why I share those pings. My point on Enrique was that he was middling and deflecting from cases being built. I like to night hide, so I'll offer some thoughts on the posts I read when I have time tonight.

Regardless, I'm placing my vote on him again, as I do believe his waffling from defending you to condemning you is calculated on his part.

But hey, if you continue to offer such damning evidence, maybe I'll switch my vote to me!

Linki: Maybe I'm misrememberng, but I thought Made hated the idea of night hiding in Misfits? If I'm thinking of someone else, please correct me.

Made wrote: The Trick to avoiding scrutiny:
1. Say someone's argument is stupid and has no basis
2. Refute a single point
3. Ignoring the accusing player for the remainder of the day
4. Repeat 1-3 with other as need be.

linki- Woah, Enri, my dude.

...gonna go out on a limb and assume i wasn't silenced? Rip this weeks productivity...
My case came out to 3 1/2 pages on a word doc, so they're that. Also I like this Dennis dude, we should totally be bffs.

Calling out 5 quiet people

Dana
Squid (bloops/nijuukyugou)
LoRab
Boogs
And Ketterman who isn't on the poll for reasons.....

Canuck will moderate....ANNNNNNDDDDD GO

linki- yeah, I did say that MR. I also did this during Misfits with my "TRUST SVS" post....good times....

The Last Accusation

Yesterday, you might recall, I said that I would post a case against MR at the beginning of Day 3. I lied. Last second Night 2 hype? Hopefully this lie would baited a silence/curse from mafia. If it did, awesome, go me and stuff. If it didn’t, It was worth a shot.

As everyone wasn’t privileged enough to play Misfits mafia, one of, if not the most interesting and exciting game of mafia i’ve ever played in my life, then you probably missed out or expository information that might assist you in reading me as a player. While completely new to forum mafia, I enjoy playing the party variation of mafia, as well as a game called “The resistance”. While I don’t want to outline my exact game philosophy i’ll say this: my goal as a player is to be as unpredictable as possible. The reasoning for this is because as a player I know that there are players who are, objectively, better mafia players than I am. To make up for this lack of skill, I play in an intentionally very unorthodox way. By forcing others to play how I play and think how I think, I’m given an advantage over those who are experienced in how to deal with WIFOMs and “No U”s, and throwing other players under the bus.

There are many parallels to be drawn between the current scenario I find myself in, and the situation that i found myself in during misfits, but i think that the differences between this scenario and last scenario are more important to understanding my actions, and “reading” me. Many people (SVS, Bullz, and reywas, who i might add wasn’t even in misfits) felt that based on my previous action, I should of flipped out before the vote ended. The reason I didn’t is a simple one. I didn’t think I was going to die. When I began writing what could had been my last post, while i knew it was likely i was going to die, the fact that votes were coming in rapidly, I thought I still had a chance to live. This was especially true when MM changed his vote.

In Misfits however, everyone voted for me in rapid succession. The fact that I thought that if I were to die the game was over for civvies, compounded my freakout. Here, put simply the stakes weren’t that high.

After much prayer to the holy trinity (God the father, MovingPicture the son, and Llama the Spirit) I am here now to express the evils of MR.

My reasoning for thinking MR is mafia is three pronged. No one point makes him suspicious to. It's the combination of his actions/reaction to events, his baddie hunting contribution this game, and the things that do ping him.

MR’s reaction to what has happened this game seem less than genuine. Early game, he was a bit less but that's understandable if it were just that. The fact that he posted so little, but claims to have such a vivid insight to the situation that coincidentally fits perfectly within the mold of another person's theory time again...

Mister Rearranger wrote:I voiced uneasiness about him on Day 1, iirc. I forget whose post I was responding to though. Gimme til I get to work and I'll dig it up.

Epi's thoughts today touched on some things that I'd been pondering as well.

And again (this time in reference to a comment SVS made)

Mister Rearranger wrote:I will say it's incredibly different trying to figure Made out as another player compared to hosting him, haha. Having seen him play as a civ for an entire game, I don't really see anything that contrasts his play style, but objectively, there are a lot of things he's doing that would normally raise my suspicion of most players. :/

And again

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:I made Made's shortlist! If I had known that all it took to garner your suspicion was reference Enrique and you, I would have done so waaaay earlier in the thread.
I dunno how you did that. I already made an argument about those two yesterday, and Made merely acknowledged it.

Also, yeah I remember him and Eloh saying they'd be camping.

Is what really gets to me.

He also hasn't contributed much of anything to this game. This could be compared to how I felt about MP, and how I feel about Juliet.

Of his 54 post, 12 provided any opinions or insight.

Of those 12, two bring forward a new perspective. the rest regurgitate arguements previously used by others. He's claimed that he gave very thorough read through of Enrique day one. Shouldn't that yield a very thorough understanding of Enrique? Or at least an opinion that's not the exact same as Epi's. Speaking of which, when questioned about his agreement with epi, he submitted one of his two original opinions. Please note he only mentioned this because he was questioned. Had he not been questioned, he wouldn't of mentioned this.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote: Epi's thoughts today touched on some things that I'd been pondering as well.
What specifically, I'm curious exactly what part of his post spoke to you.
His skepticism of Enrique and DF's interactions, not to mention how wavering DF was on you and Enrique.

I feel like there are ties somewhere between some combination of DF, Jules, Enrique, and/or yourself.

He then goes on to quote Enrique and ask for others to begin a discussion him, distancing himself far enough from accusing him(no accountability if he pops up as civvie I.e. hedging), yet close enough to steer the conversation.

You might be wondering, what his other post adding to the conversation was. Here it is!

Mister Rearranger wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Same question as for Enrique, MR, do YOU think the people who voted for MP are bad? Or do you just think they might be cause they voted for MP?
That block of BWT, Daisy, and Canuck is coincidental, to say the least. So they might be, but it'd be a very ballsy move by Daisy to push that strongly against MP so my thought (and vote) relied on me doubting that she's bad.

How he know the consecutive voting was a coincidence is beyond me.

I would like to now examine what post have pinged MR thus far.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
MP: I love you, but I think you are bad. Your posts have been too full of fishing for other opinions. You are too wishy washy. I feel like you are looking for a good case to stick too, and this SVS thing honestly reads like weird reasoning to me. Especially given how you have been pretty vocal in the past about how you know how bad you are at reading her and how you can get such tunnel vision about her. I just am not feeling your behavior this game at all. In fact, I am feeling so unsettled by it that I am willing to vote for you. No offense, but I just feel it in my gut you are bad.

Linki @ BWT, guess I'm not the only one who is not feeling like Alex is trustworthy this go round!
Here we are. Didn't help me much. I'm hesitating. This is a coin-flip situation for me since Daisy's read seems genuine and hits on many of the same things that stood out about MP as I read his posts regarding SVS.

However, the way multiple people hopped on him makes me wonder about deliberate coordination.

I vote MP as well for now and put some trust in my own gut. Also, good to know the vote is changeable! Thanks!

I find it interesting while he considered the possibility of everyone jumping on daisy, but even going out of his way to attack those who vouch for me. Yes the scenario are different, but it still does beg for scrutiny.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Enrique wrote: OK, if you want that, you know what's a good idea? Bringing other names to the table, instead of simply saying "let's not discuss this anymore because he's bad and that's final," as if that was good enough for everyone.
I'm open to watching a case get picked apart and hearing contrasting opinions, but I would be interested to see if Enrique can practice what he preaches here and bring other names to the table. Because all I've seen is him acting as arbiter between Made and various people. Maybe as a protective teammate? Maybe for vindication if Made were lynched and was civ? Maybe just out of his defensive nature (I recall Enrique being quite scrappy and holding his own in LP games )? Of that, I can't be sure.

I believe this is what the kiddies call a "No u"? MR keeps wanting points to be discussed, but never wants to participate in this discussion, or even bring new things to the table to be discussed!

My suspicions of MR aren't one damning thing. Most of my suspicions could be brushed off and ignored. However, when you combine them, you get a very solid case.

As soon as the night is over, I will be voting MR, and I hope this case convinces you to vote with me.
Ya boy,
Made

Formal argument come at y'all directed towards MR. Prepare yourself. First thing Day 3, The Ballad of Made: an Ode to Civvieness. Don't want to get anyone killed based on who I trust.

Till then, gonna finish homework and pass out. Night all!

Made wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Now, now, I was merely being hypothetical.
It's funny, this comment from you pings Me also
Do you know what a "No U" is? Because that's a classic example of it right there.
I do not, if it's a special mafia term anyways. I just found his responces as snarky/cocky so I said he was suspicious also.

I later retracted this point.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Now, now, I was merely being hypothetical.
It's funny, this comment from you pings Me also
Do you know what a "No U" is? Because that's a classic example of it right there.

I do not, if it's a special mafia term anyways. I just found his responces as snarky/cocky so I said he was suspicious also.

Hey guys, let's do an thinking exercise!

So pretend you are a certain person. Let's pretend you're a civvie and that people thought you were lynch worthy and the town votes to lynch you, but to your disbelief, someone else, a civvie none the less, is lynched in your place! What do you do in this situation? How do you prove your innocents when even God won't talk to you?

If you have an answer, congratulations, you're smarter than me! Because I can't think of a way out of it.

That feel when God won't answer your prayers, but Moving Picture does

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Oh LORB, why didst thou comment on everybody else's grail picture and not mine? Does God hate llamas?
LORB?

I wish I was allowed to say LOL.

Made said: You have a special brand of oddness paired with very calculated logic and observations,

Those are good things, no? I enjoy being odd, and i think you do, too

Which is why I trusted you complete until you voted for me for something so petty.

S~V~S wrote:Being openly hostile in a game way, I hope

And the people who have suspected you, got it. Also nice, clumping us in with the second vote getter.

Ofcourse!
I've voiced suspicion of Juliet and MR. You have a special brand of oddness paired with very calculated logic and observations, MM honestly because he's suspected me(removing him from this list...), Llama because of early game baseless reasoning paired with immediate claiming that my theory for his silencing were super obvious and that my theories (that he referred to as a singular theory) were outlandish (Which they weren't)

I was the first to vote Juliet. Don't even pretend this is that her being the second highest vote getting is the only reason I suspected her.
So MR, Llama, Juliet, SVS

Gonna learn from my apparent mistake in misfits and not be too spiteful openly with out prefacing with suspicion

To please Llama,
List of people who smell funny(ranked in order of smelliness)
MR,Llama, MM, Juliet, SVS

I Will now be openly hostile to these people.

S~V~S wrote:
Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Enrique wrote:Yeah llama I really should have the whole game figured out from the get-go shouldn't I :/
I'm glad you've moved over to the Made-train now that he's outlived his usefulness to your team. Should give you oodles of civ-cred.
Dear God,
I am a sinner, who's probably gonna sin again. Lord for give me(Lord for give me) for things I don't understand. I just want to be alone.
Bitch don't kill my vibe

I suspect you MR. So hard man, so hard. Enrique, ride with me, and by the end of this, you will have so much civvie cred, then probably die night 3 for being the only person to trust ya boy made the entire game, making you a super obvious civvie right?
Sounds like such an attractive offer

And I will try to curtail the LOLs, Lord.

It really is. So SVS, what those reeds be like?

Like how far am I baddie above everyone else?

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Enrique wrote:Yeah llama I really should have the whole game figured out from the get-go shouldn't I :/
I'm glad you've moved over to the Made-train now that he's outlived his usefulness to your team. Should give you oodles of civ-cred.

Dear God,
I am a sinner, who's probably gonna sin again. Lord for give me(Lord for give me) for things I don't understand. I just want to be alone.
Bitch don't kill my vibe

I suspect you MR. So hard man, so hard. Enrique, ride with me, and by the end of this, you will have so much civvie cred, then probably die night 3 for being the only person to trust ya boy made the entire game, making you a super obvious civvie right?

*Linki directed towards God.

Not how I think*

thellama73 wrote: Both of you, who do you think is bad? Straight answers,

I'm sorry, but no. I haven't done that, and I don't plan on it.

It's now how I think, and I'm not going to conform to how you guys play mafia any longer. Especially you Llama.

Get with me or kill me, If attempting to play more orthodox was going to get me killed, why not get myself killed playing how I like to play

Linki- save me a spot yo, Finna go hard.

thellama73 wrote:
Made wrote: Why would a mafia keep themselves alive if everyone already distrust them?
Um, because they have to be alive to win the game? You are seriously reaching now.

...I didn't know this....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Made, you are so freakin' bad I can't even stand it. That whole "oh, llama is muted? I must have been framed!" nonsense came out WAY too fast and seemed preplanned. Then you switch the lynch to poor AP? Not cool, man.
It's called mafia on your cell phone+ telling canuck I wouldn't self incriminate. Obviously I would of been a suspect.

Also for all those who think I switched the vote (if it's not just llama):
Why would a mafia keep themselves alive if everyone already distrust them?
Linki- bullz I didn't actually know that...misread DH then
Why the hell wouldn't a baddie keep themselves alive? Especially at the cost of a civ life.
Because they'll die the next day. Who would waste a switch lynch on a situation where they're all but guaranteed a death on the next lynch

Linki- MM's arguement is strong...NOT TRUE, but strong.
Now, now, I was merely being hypothetical.

It's funny, this comment from you pings Me also

Enrique wrote:
Made wrote:Incase I do die, I would like to clarify.

Early in the game I implied I trusted SVS. What I said was that she had my strongest civvie read. The fact that her logic was on the ball, and has seemed on the ball makes me think she's civve. However I am far from trusting her. Her impluse reason for voting for me through a loop. Out of all the reasons she had to suspect me, the one that actually got the vote seemed off.

Basically, just watch her.

Also Dana's had a gut mafia read with btsc all game. She hasn't talk enough to get a stronger gut on, but it's worth saying. (I conclude this based on the tone I'm use to hearing from her and what I've heard in this game)

Also no point replying to this, 4 minutes left.
"In case I do die." Bud, from what I saw, you were leading the poll by a few votes. Four minutes before deadline, how could you have predicted the outcome?

I was leading by 2, Rey and Dana both hadn't voted, and I was banking on a last minute vote switch by SVS

Enrique wrote:btw, reading the build up to the deadline, and Made remained wayyy calmer this time than any of the previous times he's been up for a lynch (here and on Misfits).

Honestly it's because I though svs might change her vote last minute, and there was actual arguements against other players, not everyone focused on me.

Bullzeye wrote:
Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Made, you are so freakin' bad I can't even stand it. That whole "oh, llama is muted? I must have been framed!" nonsense came out WAY too fast and seemed preplanned. Then you switch the lynch to poor AP? Not cool, man.
It's called mafia on your cell phone+ telling canuck I wouldn't self incriminate. Obviously I would of been a suspect.

Also for all those who think I switched the vote (if it's not just llama):
Why would a mafia keep themselves alive if everyone already distrust them?
Linki- bullz I didn't actually know that...misread DH then
Why the hell wouldn't a baddie keep themselves alive? Especially at the cost of a civ life.

Because they'll die the next day. Who would waste a switch lynch on a situation where they're all but guaranteed a death on the next lynch

Linki- MM's arguement is strong...NOT TRUE, but strong.

thellama73 wrote:Made, you are so freakin' bad I can't even stand it. That whole "oh, llama is muted? I must have been framed!" nonsense came out WAY too fast and seemed preplanned. Then you switch the lynch to poor AP? Not cool, man.

It's called mafia on your cell phone+ telling canuck I wouldn't self incriminate. Obviously I would of been a suspect.

Also for all those who think I switched the vote (if it's not just llama):
Why would a mafia keep themselves alive if everyone already distrust them?
Linki- bullz I didn't actually know that...misread DH then

Also. For those who care, history is repeating itself. Mafia kept me alive because I'd be an easy lynch for the next day.
Read misfits, basically.

I swear to god, you assholes, let me die, I wanted to play doctor who mafia Damn it.

Gg all <3

Enrique wrote:
Made wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Made, do you still distrust Enrique? Or did you back off of that?
In light of recent events, Enrique has my strongest civvie read, second only to you.

Honestly I think he's getting shit so he'll conform with the Made baddy theory

Made that's not how things work. I think you've seen enough of me to know I stick to my guns as long as I believe in them

I misspoke, corrected myself after posting that

Incase I do die, I would like to clarify.

Early in the game I implied I trusted SVS. What I said was that she had my strongest civvie read. The fact that her logic was on the ball, and has seemed on the ball makes me think she's civve. However I am far from trusting her. Her impluse reason for voting for me through a loop. Out of all the reasons she had to suspect me, the one that actually got the vote seemed off.

Basically, just watch her.

Also Dana's had a gut mafia read with btsc all game. She hasn't talk enough to get a stronger gut on, but it's worth saying. (I conclude this based on the tone I'm use to hearing from her and what I've heard in this game)

Also no point replying to this, 4 minutes left.

SVS, as we're winding down, what are your thoughts on juliets, I don't remember hearing them this game.

Canucklehead wrote: I don't expect anyone to follow me, but I do encourage you to take a close look at Mongoose's posts, which just read a litte goofy in tone to me...

Hmm, I agree it's intresting. However, I don't feel qualified to speak on hedgie's actions or train of thought.

While it could be the expected change of opinions as time goes on, it's suspicious enough to warrent someone to speak on her character/tendencies.

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:So LC I noticed you voted for me but never did answer my question.
What was your question.

I'd be willing to vote for Enrique if it were to come down to it.
Someone brought up an issue about made, that he could be behaving as he is to draw eyes away from other people. Everyone would say "well made is just acting like he was last game" and not vote for him. In this scenario, not enough people think made is bad and no one is looking at his partners. (I am explaining this using my words not theirs)>

I come along later (not the same real time day) and say I wonder if this could be what is happening. LC jumps all over me saying he is pinged by me putting forth that theory but never says a word about the person who originally brought it up. So my question is why was me bringing it up pingy and some one else bringing it up not pingy?

I would like to see LC's responces to this.

Canucklehead wrote:Thanks, Made.....but I was asking bwt. :P

Missed the "in your mind" remark, sorry.

here's my reasons for Juliet. There's more reasoning on page 36, if your pages are organized funny,just look on the page where I said this the first time.

Made wrote:
juliets wrote:Why you suspect me is not speculation it is you presenting evidence for why I am bad. You seem to be trying everything you can to avoid explaining. Do you not have a real reason?

Made wrote:Pretty colors on dark backgrounds!
DFaraday wrote:As someone who also takes awhile to get going in games, I can't be too harsh towards JC. I don't really have strong opinions yet either, and she seems genuine enough to me. I also don't know what to make of the Made/Llama thing, so I'll just...

*vote MR* because why not.
The JC(that's Juliet right?) comment is intresting, but to defend a teammate like this seems like a really bad move? As a counterarguement, was anyone else defending her? Maybe he felt he needed to speak up for the sake of her longevity. Also, Probably voted MR for a reason.

And

Made wrote:
juliets wrote:
Made wrote:
juliets wrote:MR -
So you non-nonchalantly left us, 3 of us, on our own to do that whole challenge? Do you know how hard that was? So really what I get out of what you're saying is you didn't care - you had no desire to help the team out. This explanation just doesn't help me with my uneasiness about you. I think there is a fair chance you not only didn't care you planned to not help us after you checked out who was there and saw we were not your teammates. No one else who was part of our group did this and some people like bwt and mp came in as soon as they could after they found out about the event. So bottom line, you intentionally didn't help us and as a result we struggled and ended up here. I am uneasy about you so you get my vote today -

votes MR
This one.
Thats MR not MP. And what do you find suspicious about this post?
While I agree that we were short on people and disorganized and things were chaotic, this just seemed to come out of no where.

And

Made wrote:
Made wrote:Indepth read of Juliet-
Very early on put on the defensive by a joke (that im pretty sure llama said) but previous to that, the only thing of substance she said was reiterating SVS's No Lynch is a bad idea Remark.

I'm starting to come to the realization that responding to all arguements/points that anyone makes towards you is a very easy way to avoid suspision.

Noted for when i actually am mafia :P (read on Movingpicture incoming)

Linki- I haven't met you either, hello Dfareday!
Thought about Juliet further. The fact that she was put on the defensive so easily with so little accusations or theories is pretty intresting. While it could be interpreted as on the defensive, it could also be interpreted as not posting to slide under the radar, and appearing to make sure that all thoughts against her are surpressed. Is she normally this jumpy?

linki- oh, read DH, yeah, DP and Roxy are my dudes.

So yeah... I think I've been pretty specific...[/quote]

S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Made wrote:
S~V~S wrote:That is not a relaxation. That is a clarification.
Nah, Relaxation. She said "it will cease again." implying that at one point discussing this was against the rules.

Night!
This is actually not an important thing, and if you wish to be right, OK. You're right

Again, I think this was an attempt on your part to redirect, and i think it failed.
The closest thing I can find to that discussion is "redirect".

And I don't think this alone makes you bad, but it caught my eye. I have thought you were bad for some time, I voted for you already, in any case.

First post of yours that's pingged me all game. Is repeating yourself again and again exclaming your vote for me something that civvies often do? I remember ME doing that during misfits, but even then that seemed off to me.

I should say I figure. I used it because Ik what I means when used in the context, of say reddit.

And before you define the proper mafia term, I figured it meant something like "change the topic to avoid talking about something else" or a synonym to distracting.

You might be right in saying no one said that word, but I could of swore someone did :/.
Regardless, derail, confuse, distract. They imply I'm not adding to the conversation, or intentionally not acknowledging things which I'm not. (Beside stopping to acknowledge theories against myself, which apparently puts people on edge.)

Linki- Funny enough svs, I thought you said it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Linki: You're distracting, Made.

Come one, I mean shit, all I'm doing is greeting a friend and I get shit for it? If this is distracting, so is The bea/Juliet talking about the draft. So is anyone who posted a YouTube video. Come on dude.

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