The Syndicate

Dom wrote: What makes you think you and DH know each other so well? Why do you know each other better than most players know each others' games? You're a relatively new player and DH is a veteran. I am wondering where you get this knowledge and apparent insight into DH's game-- something that someone who has played with him for several years (me) does not have.

Irc as well as multiple games of Board games online, resistance, and party mafia. It's one thing to understand someone's play in one context, but when you can find threads between multiple situations, the only constant being the same player, you learn things. This is especially true when they don't know you're watching so closely.

going to the mall, might be able to check in everyone once in a while, but nothing substantial.
pass back to elo.

Turnip Head wrote:Double posting because I like the 5 teams below me and because idgaf

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I note that, although there are seven roles with secrets, only one public role can sort of force votes, and that is Mr. Boddy. If your vote was forced by Boddy, Made, why did you let him blackmail you? Got something to hide?

*Votes Made.*

This is a good point. Counterpoint: Boddy could certainly disseminate false information.


@Host - So if no one posts out of turn, no one can be NK'd?

That's not how he worked in my game, but I guess Epig could have changed it.

So how did this role work in this other game you're referencing? I'm assuming that if Made does anything against Mr. Boddy's wishes, that Boddy would successfully blackmail him. Isn't that how it should work? I'm guessing there will be repercussions for Made, if he's telling the truth.

But Made... did I see you say that you were targeted by a role with a *secret*? Does that mean Mr. Boddy isn't responsible for your forced vote, and if that's the case, can you say who you think is responsible?

This was one of the keys i plan on using if Epi attempted to screw with me.

gonna continue replying to things stand by...

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:Hey, yo guys, so uh my vote was forced so I'm just gonna get that out of the way now.

Voting Boomslang.

I'm not going to post the exact message, so that way we can have a sort of key to prove when someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying about being vote forced.

So next time someone claims votes force i'll ask for like the 5th or 3rd word in the message and if they match up, they're clear.

Thoughts?

I don't believe you. I think you are bad
Let's analyze this for a moment:
I do not believe for a second Epig would allow someone to say their vote is forced. Made is not new anymore and should know this is generally frowned upon. Here's where the logic breaks down for me:
1) You say you won't post the exact message so you can use it as a key to see if people are lying about forced votes. You cannot copy and paste host PMs, anyway. that is a standard rule of mafia since the dawn of time. Yeah, Epi had to inform me of that...regardless, using it as a key
2) And then, we're supposed to just believe you about the coded message? Why? no particular reason, but having a key would make it less likely for someone to try to lie, wouldn't it? It's like how drug test have the effect of making less people want to do drugs out of risk of being caught
3) And I'm supposed to believe that Epig would let the integrity of a role die like this?yes

None of this adds up to me. Welcome to the suspicion list.
It is indeed a fun play to be, I must say

bea wrote:

zeek wrote:I'd also like a bit more clarification on your D1 play, DH? What exactly were you trying to accomplish? I'm more than happy to look at someone else today provided I'm satisfied at what you say you were doing. Were you specifically trying to catch Made out? I'm a bit confused.

As for Made - I'm not sure I buy this blackmailing. Even if it is true, surely that means he has something to hide by conforming to it. Maybe you just have a powerful civ role, I dunno. Do you know for sure it wasn't Boddy?

I found the whole thing about asking for words for the PM suspect as well. If we all believe you, you can now call someone a liar if they say they were blackmailed and don't match the third word of the PM you received. Gives you a bit more weight in the game

Over to you, Snow Doggy Dog

Why wouldn't you buy it? I'm not saying he's confirmed civ because after N1 he came out and said his vote was forced (hellz bellz he could be on the baddie team with Body and they are using it to gain cred) - but what I am saying is I can see lots of reasons why a civ would take the blackmail.

As far as the "pm word matching thing." I think it was a decent idea on Made's part to have, but for balance reasons I think Epi as a host might potentially throw gears into that plan.

Before you said it, did DH say he was trying to attract Made's attention? Because I feel like that never happened till you said it and now he's saying he wanted Made and SVS to respond to his D1 style. You see where this might look fishy to me right?
No, it happened. It's funny, because I kinda trusted him because he was acting different from his misfits game, but he's now playing traditional DH baddie and it's ticking me off.

I think it's fair to say that DH and I know each others play styles relatively well. At least more than most know each others. So admittedly he outplayed me yesterday by switching up his play style, but today he's playing his traditional baddie game to me lynched, and it's bull. This is EXACTLY the same situation that happened in misfit. I voted early and DH capitalized. Paging MP, the only person that I think could at least kinda back me up on this.

There's a key bit of information i'm intentionally leaving out about the way that he's done this that I think MP will pick up, hopefully adding validity to my claim.

thellama73 wrote:Regarding "what would Made have to gain by lying":

If he is indeed being blackmailed, he would have good reason to claim it is one of the secret roles and not Mr. Boddy, because if it is Mr. Boddy, it means he has something to hide.
If he is not being blackmailed or forced at all, I suspect he just wants to hurt the credibility of people whose votes are forced in the future. Maybe he IS Mr. Boddy, and hopes to expand his own power by not only blackmailing people, but making an example of those who refuse to be blackmailed. I guess i can give away one of my keys: Unless I vote Boomslang, I die. My goal was by announcing that my vote was forced, I would not be a pawn in this person's game, and flip the script on them. What i didn't expect was HellaBaddie DH. That said, expect my next post to be describing Boomslang's previous suspectors. So I, you know, don't get lynched

I think the above also answers FZ's post.

*Tags Elo*

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:Hey, yo guys, so uh my vote was forced so I'm just gonna get that out of the way now.

Voting Boomslang.

I'm not going to post the exact message, so that way we can have a sort of key to prove when someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying about being vote forced.

So next time someone claims votes force i'll ask for like the 5th or 3rd word in the message and if they match up, they're clear.

Thoughts?

There's no guarantee Epig would write the PM the same every time. Especially after you say something like that. You really think Epig would be able to stop himself from messing with you?

My thoughts exactly. And, are you sure you're even allowed to tell us your vote was forced? You telling us it was forced makes me think you are making it up b/c I thought you were not allowed to share that kind of info.
linki: I am already under the thick sack of blankets Yay for laptops

I asked first, I assumed it wouldn't but was pleasantly surprised to find out otherwise... Regardless I have a plan if Epig trys to flip that script anyways....

Also my vote for Boomslang was forced for today [day 2] not yesterday [day 1], proof of that being I forgot to vote yesterday anyways.

Now to DH. DH, DH, DH, SMFH DH...
If we're playing vague mind games, I know what you're doing, and so will MP, hell even dana would know what you are doing . The only question left is if you're doing it on purpose and assuming i'd forgotten or if you doing it out of habit.
The third option of course being that you know what I'm thinking right now, but you know there's no way i'd buy that double speak even if it were true.


lezzz go homie, i gotcha playbook.

Also Elo, when you post your last for the night so I can know if i need to save or post, or wrap up.


Linki: There's seven secret Llama.

Hey, yo guys, so uh my vote was forced so I'm just gonna get that out of the way now.

Voting Boomslang.

I'm not going to post the exact message, so that way we can have a sort of key to prove when someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying about being vote forced.

So next time someone claims votes force i'll ask for like the 5th or 3rd word in the message and if they match up, they're clear.

Thoughts?

Yeah, Elo, I'm more interested in how this is going to mess with the dynamic of how fast the game is going. Like thread is already moving fast, with Dh and llama have first and second in terms of number of post also being on the same team will it get faster or slower.

As for strats RE elo: Large meaty post with tons of information less frequent to avoid giving the other teams points or mosting often to maximize the possibility of earning points for us?

bea wrote:No way Zeeky. I'm sure you two are waaaaay cuter.

More like this:




One of them is even appropriately "snowy"

As a sort of compromise:

Bea you can be the ref if you would like.

So...would i be bad for picking someone who already has a partner?
tag teams don't have to be teams of two ya know. It feels like lunch on the first day of school

S~V~S wrote:

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.

So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?

Biggest ping so far. What are exactly are you trying to say here MM

I am not sure how he extrapolated that from that. I have been involved in way more civ Llama lynches than bad ones. This post just seemed like a really good way to set me up to be NKed & get llama blamed for it.

Exactly what I was getting at, I think it's fair to say we now shouldn't assume anything if you or Llama were NK'ed

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Early voting is suspicious. We can argue this back and forth all we want but at the end of the day, early voting is suspicious.

It's only suspicious to you if you decide to think it's suspicious. Early votes are suspicious. We all know late votes are suspicious. Voting for someone who already has a vote is suspicious. Staying quiet and voting for someone who's not around much is suspicious. It's really ugly that you would try to pin suspicion on me for the timing of my vote, and then make a sweeping statement like this to make it seem normal.

pinged. Sure suspicion isn't objective, but you can't say that something isn't suspicious just because a lot of things are also suspicious.

linki- well shit, rip MM. I still think DH is hellatown.

posting the above for accountability and all that jazz.


Oh, and I think we should go unchangeable vote: raises the stakes and forces stronger opinions. Not to mention it makes votes to save less likely.

Ebwop: I VOTE MM

Didn't know that the poll ended, my bad.

Would of voted MM based on the ping i had earlier. Since the post isn't up,I VOTE MM??
Don't expect for me to miss another vote. Catching up with the 5 or so pages i've missed.

juliets wrote:

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

huh...asking a lot of questions this game are we...

Just a thought-- do players conform to their own play style benefit themselves further when they are mafia or just because of predisposition?
Not directed at you in particular Juliet, but also Llama and MP, 3 players who have very unique and recognizable play styles.

This is the first real question I've asked unless you consider this:

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I just looked back at 2013's Game of Champions, and note that nobody voted for the game I hosted in the Day 0 poll, just as nobody has voted for any of the games I hosted in this Day 0 poll. Why are you people not giving good performances (your best performances!) in games I host?

I voted for your nomination for best host for side games, does that count?

My question for dh is because I haven't seen anything that pinged me and wondered if i had missed something.

I'm just poking fun :P

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

huh...asking a lot of questions this game are we...

Just a thought-- do players conform to their own play style benefit themselves further when they are mafia or just because of predisposition?
Not directed at you in particular Juliet, but also Llama and MP, 3 players who have very unique and recognizable play styles.

This is going to be a long game ain't it.....
I remember the scum conversation. While i've never heard the phrase "federal case" other's have so it's probably whatever. imo it doesn't helps to get into semantics, what might prove to be more useful however is name usage. Whether a person typically mentions their teammates early on, or pretends they don't exist.

Insertnamehere- anyway you could modify your code to check for name usage and frequency in games?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.

So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?

Biggest ping so far. What are exactly are you trying to say here MM

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.

Do you think so? My experience is that people often get lynched wrongly for humorous antics in the early days of mafia games, while baddies lay low or pretend to be helpful.

In my experience, if someone gets a couple chuckles, and plays the court jester. it creates a mindset that "this person can't possibly be bad, look how ridiculous they're acting. Plus, they're funny so I want to keep them around and see what else they've got that is funny"

It's a common, effective tactic. Put your enemy at ease, make them either underestimate you.

This was also my strat in Misfits and Monty, both civvie. tho the point of that was a sort of double negative. Get people to think that i'm so silly that there's no way that i'm mafia, but have suspicion show up so people think the shenanigans are a ploy, but to be so self aware of that previous point that it's clear i'm civvie.

It really depends the person, imo

Misfits. Getting everyone on the civvie team convinced that killing me was in their best intrest (which it was) While predicting every mafia but 1 (glares at squid)?

Gg me.