The Syndicate

Donna Meagle wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

Cheerleader wrote:Stop speculating about me, please. Nothing to see here.

Donna Meagle wrote:

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:

Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?

linki- polls ends at like 8 EST

it says 6 for me

juliets wrote:Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.

I didn't mean to imply that I suspected Llama. I suspected sig.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.

It does. There was a bit of discussion about what the poll meant (I had no idea until others mentioned it), so I would guess that there was some level of awareness on the part of the baddies.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

juliets wrote:

Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

Made wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

Why is LoRab a baddie read? What is Quin?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Is there more to the Soneji case than his denouncement of meta-analysis? Because I can't vote for him if that's it.

There's a little more to it. I initially noticed Soneji for his avoidance of mentioning Macdougall, even when he was the central topic of discussion. The meta comment combined with that observation to form my suspicion, as I think baddies often forget to talk about one another.

Mac didn't really talk about anyone except the players who voted for him.

Soneji didn't post all that much in the Day 1 thread either.


I don't find it that surprising that one quiet player did not mention another quiet player.

juliets wrote:Ooooh ok Scotty. I think I see now. And yeah, it's odd that the cheerleader is here but there are no process elements to protect. I'll discount the cheerleader for the rest of the day.

Made, I have two things for you in looking over your posts. First, can you explain what you meant in the underlined portion?

Made wrote:Ok, so I do not know SVS's meta but she's reading really lowkey to me. Like from the games i remember she's been very much at the forefront of baddie hunting and theory making and stuff and things, but day 1 and so far during beach day, she seems to be throwing ideas in thread with relatively isolated back and forth. I didn't look at her day 1 post ISO but she did have the same number of post as me during day 1 (31) which i felt i was personally lacking relative to my typical standard. Given it's probably has been like 2 years since I've played with her, I wanted to point this out.

Also, you said in another post that you didn't vote for Mac based on the meta analysis, that you had another case on him. Since you voted at the same time as the meta analysis was going on I assumed thats why you had voted him. What was that case or reason you voted for him if it wasn't that?

Finally, I mentioned it before but just a reminder, could you explain why you wanted us to look at people in the other thread?

S~V~S wrote:
And I asked you because I wanted to hear your answer.

Made wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And Made; why do you think he is good, Mr. Prisoner?

less I think he's good, more i don't think he's bad. his game just seems civvie :/

juliets wrote:

Made wrote:

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote:I'll try to give somewhat of a read on people here as kind of a starting point for our time together in this thread.

I feel good about Golden. He reminds me of a civ Golden, everywhere all the time posting his thoughts. I will say though I can't remember how a bad Golden acts so I don't know how good my read is. For our purposes here though I wouldn't vote for someone silenced so he's off the plate for me. (Why would a civ silence Golden? Makes me think the silencing power is a baddie).

Scotty - feeling good about Scotty and since I don't have his posts to go back to all I can do is say it's vibes. I did like his points about Quin, whether Quin is bad or not the points were insightful.

llama - I feel like I'm seeing the llama I saw in Felt, good llama. His early instincts were good there too which makes me pay attention to what he has to say about Soneji. He linked us to the baddie Mac game which showed Mac making the same kind of short choppy posts he was making in this game, thus solidifying my read. I won't be voting for llama unless something pretty radical happens here.

Metalmarsh - I was initially unsure about MM because he posted a lot at the beginning of the game that said nothing. I didn't consider him for a lynch because it seems like he often gets lynched early for this very thing. I feel like he has blossomed though starting with his posts about Mac's past games going through to when we split the thread.

S~V~S - I can't read S~V~S with a toot, she is too good at this for my meager powers. I haven't seen anything thats caused me any concern though. Her observation about Wilgy asking Golden about Monkey Island was right on point until we discovered the mafia had games on their role card at which point she conceded.

Prisoner - I wish I knew who Prisoner is to help me with my read. I haven't agreed with her on everything but that doesn't mean she is bad. She has been very involved and doesn't seem tentative about giving her opinion no matter whether they match the group or not. I tend to agree with llama who observed that Prisoner wouldn't have changed her opinion about Mac at the last minute if she were Mac's teammate. For now I have a positive reaction to Prisoner.

Made - Epi said he felt Made was working hard to not seem bad after having been bad in Felt. I don't know what he saw that led him to this conclusion (maybe if he's cheerleader he can tell us) though and just because Epi was good it doesn't mean Made is bad. I had an initial bad gut reaction when he wouldn't tell us the game he was from but I don't play in many closed games so maybe keeping what you know close to the vest is important. I wish S~V~S could remember more of why her feel for Made was bad. Right now he's a null read for me.

bea - only a few posts and aside from what S~V~S said the only thing I remember about bea is she was busy and is sick. Not much help here. Wish she had voted. Null read for me.

cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.

Sonja, Boomslang, Coltrane - I'm lumping all of these guys together because I see them much the same way. Low posters, not offering much. I already talked about Booms and my observation that his posts so far don't seem engaged with the game compared to past games he's been in and I wasn't wild about his randomized vote on a day when there was plenty to look at and vote on. Soneji from my memory also has few posts and has that one post about meta being a crutch in the heat of the Mac lynch - not a good look. And Coltrane also hasn't participated much and was the last voter for Mac, potentially piling on as a teammate. I could vote for any of these three at the moment and may place a pressure vote on one of them today depending on how things go.

Hope I didn't forget anyone, if I did I'll catch them in a later post.

this one Juliets. Don't intend to vote here yet, but It just reads funny :/

Well, I don't really know what to say about this post. It's just my reads as of this morning of everyone in our beach side except Donna who we can't vote for. Was there something specific that struck you?

Made wrote:But yeah, re my last message, basically the entirety of my attention (for the most part anyways) was focused on the people in the other group. Like even ones that hadn't gotten heat yet, like Sorsha I kind wanted to discuss today. Needless to say, the beach has definitely thrown me off balance. The only people even on my radar N1 here were SVS and Soneji.
But enough whining, we're here. Let's get a baddie out of it.

Linki-GTH?

S~V~S wrote:And Made; why do you think he is good, Mr. Prisoner?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:We haven't started yet! But this will do.

does anyone else here wanna do some gun-to-heading?

S~V~S wrote:What else do you remember that might be helpful? About posts and opinions of people in this thread?

S~V~S wrote:Since my vote is on Metalmarsh, I plan to ask his opinion on pretty much everything

Marmot, are you totally impressed by Mades memory?

S~V~S wrote: How do we access Day One post count?

Also I have been on break for months and am still somewhat ambivalent about Mafia, lol. so there is that re post count.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

I'm gonna piggy back on this: As a fun thought experiment, who do you think is going to be lynched in Hatch? Not who would you lynch, but who do you think would be?

In case you forgot:
DharmaHelper (1), Black Rock (3), Quin (8), Long Con (13), timmer (14), DrWilgy (16), sig (22), Professor Farnsworth (23), Sorsha (24), TheFloyd73 (26), LoRab (27) 39%

Personally I'd guess Sig but would deffo put LoRab in there as a toss up.

Who do you think is going to be lynched at the beach?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?