The Syndicate

MM, MR. where your votes switched to vote for Liz?

Did baddie have a vote upgrade that would make the game unwinnable?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:But I was Guardian?

The first or second time?

The second time, and so were you, and so was snow?

Probably my best performance yet, and because i switched me vote i still haven't voted to kill a mafia, GG All.

But I was Guardian?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm definitely voting for llama tomorrow though based on Eloh's read of him.

I doubt that Made is Hyrulian. I'm a bit torn between ninja and Snow Dog from trying to sort out Eloh's thoughts.

Ditto, As of recent i'm reading snow as more civvie, and Ninja as more off mafia-e. I think the best place to look would be to do further analysis on the night Liz died. It's the first time Ninja really stepped up, and everything about that lynch really pinged me. With MR as civvie, a BaddieBloops seems incredibly plausible more so than a snowie baddie at this point anyways...

So
1.Llama
2. Bloops
3. Snow
for me atm.

Also, I never switched my vote back apparently. my bad.

<3 Eloh

Assuming eloh has meds, day 9 will be 3-4 then 2-3 come day 10. Its just not much of a margin for error after today...but I guess we'd run into this issue as we'd have to lynch Eloh eveventually. Switching back vote.

Made wrote:I will change back if no one follows, so....yeah!

Eloh, ik you're willing to change your vote to save yourself right?

I will change back if no one follows, so....yeah!

thellama73 wrote:No. Made is an enigma.

Anyways, switching my vote to Llama for the time being, Anyone else willing to follow, or are going to take the guaranteed hit, rather than risking Llama being civvie ( which i doubt)

And if they're alive, i encourage them to do the above, beside the part where they attempt to split us up.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:jokes aside, rereading Ninja, I can't say i understand/know everyone else's reasoning for suspecting Squid, but i have my own. rereading stuff.

I suspected bloops as a byproduct of my suspicion of Eloh and MR yesterday, but with MR being civ, the reasoning doesn't really stand.

At this point, and this is partially thanks to your revelation if it's true Made, I think Russti and llama are the other two baddies.

But after all this, where does Zora fit into the equation? Is that you Made?

There's multiple explanations to Russ' survival so i'm dropping that theory for now anyways. Also, the way i see it (if they're even still alive) Zola is currently an ally to us, in an enemy of our enemy is our friend sorta situation. They wouldn't want Mafia to win, as none of them have died yet, and there's only 7 or 8 of us left.

If i were Zola at this point, my goal would to first kill mafia, then when that's all said and done (or when they're only one mafia left) begin attempting to divide the group who voted together and trusted each other against each other.

So while i'm not, even if i were, we should probably cross that bridge when we get to it and focus on the task at hand.

another way to look at this however is that we're going to have to burn through that medicine eventually if we want to win, but then we risk being out numbered by Mafia.


Oh Llama, you have a question?

Also, We should probably change our vote because medicence. While i'd be willing to go Bloops, I'd rather Llama. thoughts?

Changing my vote to MR

jokes aside, rereading Ninja, I can't say i understand/know everyone else's reasoning for suspecting Squid, but i have my own. rereading stuff.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Made wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:My best guess is she has a shield and think it'll buy time.

We could all vote Blooper if that's the case, I suppose.

Medicine, but fuck you're right.... With MR being civvie, Bloop as Mafia does make sense if you assume that the liz lynch was bought.

How does that make any more sense than others being mafia? I don't understand why I'm the assumption, as I've wondered for quite a while and voiced this wonder in previous posts. Others also voted Liz. Voting for me will not make you happy.

Trust me, this will hurt me more than it will hurt you.

Russtifinko wrote:My best guess is she has a shield and think it'll buy time.

We could all vote Blooper if that's the case, I suppose.

Medicine, but fuck you're right.... With MR being civvie, Bloop as Mafia does make sense if you assume that the liz lynch was bought.

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Is no one else curious why Eloh would vote herself??

Giving up?

This combined with the fact that She just asked a question in thread that mafia would most likely want to answer to, and most civvie (at least i did) assumed we already had the answer to supports this.

Russtifinko wrote: I don't understand Epi's solution to the riddle.

in thread he hid a the name tag of todd on a post of mine, the point was to go through the game and find this picture.

Alright, so 48 hours to discuss strategies for day 9 action, might as well start thinking game plan for that. What we doing yo?

Snow Dog wrote:Yep i gott it wrong

I was kinda hoping you wouldn't admit to that first, so i could say i got it right, then you might say say i got it right too, then i could be like lol psych wrong, Ganon knows now muahaha etcetc.

But yeah, got it wrong too...damnit todd...
Anyways, voting Eloh

Also, Never said this, but I trusted Zeek the most this game. Splints was pretty ight too last night and the previous, So yeah, mafia sux...rip

or you said 23 hours last night, i remember, nvm

Epignosis wrote:You have thirty-five minutes.

We going an hour earlier or have one of us not adjusted for daylights savings time?

Snow Dog wrote:

Made wrote:Holy fuck, Russ is mafia.

Please explain

I rather stall for time I'll explain it at day, if alive, if dead, it's not too hard to figure out from what've said so far.

Russtifinko wrote:

Elohcin wrote:As I said before I see little pings in various people. It is hard to choose between them. However, if you know me, you know I don't like to throw a vote away. So...I will vote Hedge.

Fair enough. Day 2, no pings. She follows votes because she doesn't like wasting hers.

Elohcin wrote:As for my vote (which I have to do now) I am going to go ahead and *vote boogs* I think Snow Dogs gut may be right.

Day 3: following Snow Dog (and was busy partying). Again, fair enough. As I said around that time, fairly standard Elo play.

Elohcin wrote:Bye Boogs. Sorry I was wrong about you.

I have no clue where to start with the labyrinth thing. I am no good with directions.

Can't help with the puzzle. Again, fair enough I suppose.

Elohcin wrote:My thoughts are that the baddies are being very discrete because I don't think any of the cases against people are particularly strong, as Snow Dog said. And, on top of that, I am having a hard time finding a case against anyone even though I have reread individual players. But, I believe the strongest case (although not strong) is the one on Sabie. So...that is where my vote will go.

Day 4. Doesn't suspect anyone, but votes the person everyone suspects. A little weird even for Elo, not to have a single ping by D4.

Elohcin wrote:I went ahead and voted for Russ. I don't have good feelings about him.

Day 5 and the first ping! Yours truly. No rationale given, except that she doesn't "have good feelings" about me.

Elohcin wrote:Also, Yay no kill.

Russtifinko wrote:So since I'm out of town, no time for a case. However, I think Elo needs to be given a much closer look. Mainly because of her really really bad voting record. If anyone cares to look into that I appreciate it, and it's where my vote is going for today.

I know I have a bad voting record. I was just thinking (at the end of the last day) that I need to stop listening to the "crowd" but it is difficult when I still feel like everyone is playing so civ-like. I have not been in a game where its Day 6 and still I have no great suspicions. It is odd. My biggest suspicion is Russ, but still not crazy convinced.

The "Yay, no kill." just drips enthusiasm, right?

Note the "everyone is playing so civ-like". Still no major suspicions, except her still unexplained one of me.

Elohcin wrote:The votes I have cast were based of suspicions that other players have brought up. I just don't see anyone as very suspicious so far. If I were to go with my gut (which is usually right btw) I would say...Russ, MR, and Made are the baddies. I am voting Russ today as I did yesterday.

Still no reasons for any suspicions. She doesn't suspect anyone, but thinks Made, MR and I are baddie teammates. (Not MM, for the record.)

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 593#p97593

This here is an important post. Elo has decided it is so important that she get a suspicion that she goes back and reads every single player remaining in the game!

Two very important things to note here:

Elohcin wrote:Russ - He seems to have a lot of helpful things to say. He seems to be trying and coming up with suspicions, however I am not sure that his suspicions have much weight. So, I am pinged by that.

Nothing else to say, unfortunately. Rereading each player didn't really bring about any new pings, but there you go. Maybe you will be encouraged to do your own read through and post on everyone. I know many of us are getting discouraged by lynch results.

1) She now thinks I seem pretty good again, but is pinged by me too.
2) SHE READ THE ENTIRE GAME OF PLAYERS STILL ALIVE AND HAS NO NEW PINGS AT ALL....on Day 7!!

Elohcin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:So who is bad?

Made? Russ?

I'm trying, but this is a difficult game. What do you think SD?

Still nothing.

Are we playing with the best mafia team of all time or what the fuck is going on even?

Elohcin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Epi, what happens if lynch votes are tied?

A tie? How are you going to arrange that?

I don't. But it has been something I have been curios about since the beginning of the game and when I asked in PM, Epi said I had to ask in thread to get the answer.

Which means (Assuming you're not lying) Mafia don't know the answer to this question until everyone did. That's fun!

So Elo, then Russ. I'm expecting a few objections?
also solved and submitted the answer to the puzzle

Holy fuck, Russ is mafia.

Wait just a Damn second, a mafia then exist in the tied vote!?!?!?!

Double checking stuff

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:Just thought of a good paradox/WIFOM type thingy to screw with mafia. Everyone attempt to solve the puzzle on your own. If you solve it, announce it in thread, so Ganon can figure out who is civvie and who is mafia, If more than 5 people announce they've solved the puzzle, the answer should be posted in thread as it would mean baddies had also solved the puzzle.[/quote

Yeah, and then all three members of the mafia lie and say they've solved it, so when two civvies solve it, they get the answer for free. Great plan.

Yup, let's do it.

Just thought of a good paradox/WIFOM type thingy to screw with mafia. Everyone attempt to solve the puzzle on your own. If you solve it, announce it in thread, so Ganon can figure out who is civvie and who is mafia, If more than 5 people announce they've solved the puzzle, the answer should be posted in thread as it would mean baddies had also solved the puzzle.

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Ok. There are several people certain at this point. Do you think we all have btsc?

I think three of you do.

Made wrote:So uninaomouse vote for Eloh tomorrow. Any objections?

Not from me.

so does that mean that, regardless of who you think was be whether it was me or splint being on the correct side because we knew Eloh would of survived, that you think the lynch was won based on items bought in the store?

Yes. I don't see another mechanic for it.

Then logically, shouldn't you be more critical of Snow? You know that you didn't have any vote modifiers on yourself, but don't know if Snow did. Or do you think that all voting modifiers were on Eloh?

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Ok. There are several people certain at this point. Do you think we all have btsc?

I think three of you do.

Made wrote:So uninaomouse vote for Eloh tomorrow. Any objections?

Not from me.

so does that mean that, regardless of who you think was be whether it was me or splint being on the correct side because we knew Eloh would of survived, that you think the lynch was won based on items bought in the store?

So uninaomouse vote for Eloh tomorrow. Any objections?

Looking at the Items available this game, assuming Eloh isn't Zola, We might of already lost this.
red ring, blue ring, and magic wand would give baddie 3 votes which is the only way I can think to explain the lynch thus far. This would Make it incredibly difficult, if not impossible to lynch Eloh and win the game.

Any other explanations that aren't as bleak?

If my above explanation of events is correct, then we might be able to kill eloh if we attempt to unanimously lynch Eloh tomorrow, and Lynch llama day 9? Tomorrow will be 3 baddie 4 civvie assuming their kill goes through AND they don't kill with a item on top of their regular kill.

thoughts?


linki- i'm in agreeance with Russ at this point. Unanimous lynch for Eloh tomorrow, do you think that would/could work?

I like an Elo Lynch, and I liked an MR lynch, but the fact that it's now between an eloh vs a MR is making me wavery. logically, if baddies are attempting a save they're not going to try to try to switch a mafia for mafia. I'm gonna have to keep my vote where it is. MR and Elo both look sus, but i don't like the sudden switch to MR. IF Elo flips baddie, these events will look really bad for Llama....

Also before we further interpret Eloh's potential slip (re-read it with Russ's post in mind so I get it now)

What exactly did you mean to say Eloh?

Not sure if today has been insightful or just busy. Either way I recognize possible cognitive bias against MR, at the moment the case against eloh (save the "slip" which I doubt actually was one) seems strongest, switching my vote there.

As for MM, I really don't know. The reason I thought he was possibley baddie is he would have a crap ton of money and the difference between Dom's reason for grabbing vs. MM's. He seemed incredibly rational and logical, almost as if he overthought what he was saying?

Unless MM and MR are crazy God tier amazing mafia players, I doubt they are on the same team. Meaning at least of them is civvie.... Hopefully this isn't a civvie situation

LLama's assertivness as of today is starting to ping me Tbh, but Iunno.

No read on Russ other than the circumstances surrounding him. He seems genuine, but there's a lot of situations where a baddie Russ would be at an incredible advantage.

As of now I'm willing to vote Eloh, MR, and llama....but man Iunno...thoughts?

While pure speculation at this point, my main reason for thinking MM is civvie is because I think his vote yesterday was forced as well as Ninjas. Both votes, through no fault of MM and bloops, felt off.

The other way to look at this is a save, but the closest second (MR?) Didn't get enough votes in my eyes to make a save seem nessiary. Especially since we now know that ties are no lynched rather than random votes.

ThIs a boiled down version of what I wanted to post, but typing from my phone.

Switching vote to Eloh

Snow Dog wrote:There is the possibility that Bass was Hyrule and he was killed by the River guy.

I doubt this because the store specifically says Hyrule, and while don't know what exact the river dude is a reference to, i really don't think it would be considered hyrule.

Trust me, Made 1 learn to make this distinction the hard way...speaking of made one...

Snow Dog wrote:I am presuming something in my Elo suspicion. I think Liz made this point earlier. In the first lynch (made) Liz suspected a baddie vote amongst them...

Made
6
Boogs (5), zeek (8), Elohcin (11), Snow Dog (14), Bass_the_Clever (17), sabie12 (19)
32%

All pretty much confirmed civs now, except me and ELo cuz we both ain't dead guv. I know who I am which leaves her.



So assuming a baddie did vote Made....well there she is.

Astute observation, the chances of mafia voting for made is likely. I'm not sure i understand the case against Elo (aside from this point, which equally is a point against yourself, as i'm sure you're aware)

More arguments coming round lunch hopefully...

OK here's my reasoning for MR.

He was off everyone's radar untill he had to be on it.

and when he made himself know, it was to grab a game objective.

I don't know about typical mafia behavior, but from the one game that i played while bad, we always sent our NKs and abbilities through our least most active/openly criticized player, and it worked. We were never blocked. I believe the same exact thing is happening here but with MR.

MR's team needed the piece to win, so instead of a more active and spotlot heavy member grabbing the piece, he did. When I asked his reasoning, he gave reasoning that pingged me really hard.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I kinda wanna try for the triforce piece I picked on D0 if it's okay with the popular kids.

I'm either courageous or extrememly suicidal, but hey either way...

It seemed like he need to grab the piece, but didn't have an excuse to give in thread

Mister Rearranger wrote:Triforce or die 2014, I'm in

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Doesn't matter, I've got golden gauntlets. They will crush your hopes and dreams and face.

Nope, this is personal now, I shall avenge Sabie's death! Baddies, civvies, indies, I'll rock them all in the Thunderdome!

PS: This is how I fight:



Hope you're ready for the pain!

his joking aditude seemed to throw me of, he didn't even seem to try to give a logical reason for grabing....but then Dom flipped civvie, and he very much did the same as MR.

This difference between MR and MM is why i think one of them is mafia

ok periods ending, back at 12ish est maybe...

Russtifinko wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I don't understand why I would bother when I said I didn't feel good about you and your response was you don't care what I think. Or how you don't understand how that is unenecesarily dismissive. I didn't ask you to bring up points why you were a civvie. But i don't see why one wouldn't care why someone they thought was a civvie would think about them. It's a close numbers game at this point and civvies need to stick together. it doesn't make sense to me

fingers, please reconsider your vote. I know MM frustrated you last night, but that doesn't mean he's a baddie. Nor does his statement about not being worried whether he dies. If i interpret that right, then I feel the same way - if we don't get a baddie today then it's over anyway, so you might as well kill me.

If you trust me even a little bit this game, do NOT vote MM today.

Made wrote:As for my vote, I'm still comfy on MR, but iunno.... either MM or MR has to be mafia at this point.

I'm not sure how I feel about Russ, but everything i said when i thought i was going to die Night 6 is still true, and has proven further to be true based on what/where everyone's votes are going.
If MR is Mafia, Then MM isn't and vice versa
If MM Is then Russ likely isn't.

So teams in my head right now would be
MM and Snow
or
MR and Russ.
MM and MR are both playing very finicky atm imo (which might be alignment irrelevant due to pressure/criticism, but iunno. all i'm confident in is that this lynch has the opportunity to be blown wide open if played correctly.

????

Why do either MM or MR have to be bad? Maybe I misread your posts earlier, but I haven't seen any type of case, argument, or analysis that explains why that would be the case. Frankly, it looks like bullshit to me.

They don't be, but the way i'm reading the game is there's not way they're both on the same team, but I think it's likely that one is mafia . First period study hall so i'll try to hashout my reasoning for both

Also, In response to the "as confirmed civvie as he thinks he is" comment, This is the first game where i've felt like people- more than 1 person- have openly trusted me in a game, so i feel i'm obligated to act on that to help find a baddie, and that's what i'm doing. Assuming the people who trust me aren't just baddies looking for civvie cred, I hope the arguments/perspective of my own can be used to get baddies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW RUSS JUST SAID HE IS BAD

I did though, but you went away. Also, the triforce is the more important discussion right now since we can't lynch anyone until tomorrow.

This post in interesting tho... k for real tho

Because no one has pointed it out, The key exist..... Double rupees for mafia.. I'd go back to the day Mafia used a bomb on Dom and figure out who could of possibly had enough money by then assuming the first thing they bought was a key, as if I were baddie, that's what i would of done)

Also, we're forgetting the possibility Mafia gambled. As dom put it when directed at me, There might be too many factors to make conversation about this topic meaningful.

As for my vote, I'm still comfy on MR, but iunno.... either MM or MR has to be mafia at this point.

Since we're starting to get late game, i figure there's no harm is revealing exactly what my strategy/persona has been for at least since Swastica Puzzle, but more definitively since night 5. Normally I like to not play overtly Civvie in order to avoid death, but this game i decided to just say what I'm thinking, and try not to obfuscate my own allegiance to the civvie cause.

I'm not sure how I feel about Russ, but everything i said when i thought i was going to die Night 6 is still true, and has proven further to be true based on what/where everyone's votes are going.
If MR is Mafia, Then MM isn't and vice versa
If MM Is then Russ likely isn't.

So teams in my head right now would be
MM and Snow
or
MR and Russ.
MM and MR are both playing very finicky atm imo (which might be alignment irrelevant due to pressure/criticism, but iunno. all i'm confident in is that this lynch has the opportunity to be blown wide open if played correctly.

Snow Dog wrote:

Made wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Elohcin wrote:RIP Dom.

@ Splints: Maybe Elo what?

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.

Except the dead ones.

Nope, If there were any dead ones, the piece would be put up for competition to be won again.

Excuse my ignorance (I know I say that often) but is the reason we know Ganon is still alive because the "piece" has not gone up for competition?

Made is claiming to e a guardian I think.

No? I thought we got alerted when Baddies won the trifroce?

what's this got to do with ganon being alive?

ok, i thought that getting all 3 pieces of the triforce were needed to kill ganon as well as killing the guardians. Rereading the first page....

Snow Dog wrote:

Elohcin wrote:RIP Dom.

@ Splints: Maybe Elo what?

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.

Except the dead ones.

Nope, If there were any dead ones, the piece would be put up for competition to be won again.

Excuse my ignorance (I know I say that often) but is the reason we know Ganon is still alive because the "piece" has not gone up for competition?

Made is claiming to e a guardian I think.

No? I thought we got alerted when Baddies won the trifroce?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Made wrote:It should be noted that Ganon is still alive, and everyone who originally won piece of the triforce still has their piece.

Except the dead ones.

Nope, If there were any dead ones, the piece would be put up for competition to be won again.

You believe this to be universally true?

linki: lol

Epignosis wrote: If you perish, your Triforce can be won by someone else.

yes

Snow Dog wrote:The civ position is precarious. This game is ready to be lost. One more wrong lynch could be terminal.

It's not as lost as it might seem. It all depends on how many guardians vs. underlings have been night killed. I can't imagine baddie having all of the triforce piece, but even if all that's true and guardians are dead after having all of those things, they need to kill ganon, meaning we have time before things are lost lost. (inb4 Indy wins...)

linki- No reason, Just felt it was worth noting. It's lonely playing without BTSC