The Syndicate

I was so sure Snowy got recruited at the end of that. Well played everyone!

Epignosis wrote:"Here are the times for the fifth lap! Let me remind the viewers at home that this race is for more than bragging rights!"

Shu Todoroki #7- 2'33"30
Rip Clutchgoneski #10- 2'34"43
Jeff Gorvette #24- 2'40"40
Nigel Gearsley #9- 2'40"40
Francesco Bernoulli #1- 2'41"33
Miguel Camino #5- 2'44"17
Lewis Hamilton #2- 2'46"12
Lightning McQueen #95- 2'46"44
Carla Veloso #8- 2'49"11
Max Schnell #4- 2'56"59
Raoul ÇaRoule #6- 2'56"59

btw, has anyone been able to piece together wtf this is yet? It's not votes, amount of time talked, and seems to be straight up random.

Less than 2 hours left.

Or what if a recruit is among us, which with the way this game has been going should be a serious point to consider.

Who hasn't talked today?

Basically, by process of elimination, if Df isn't mafia, we need to pull a Monty Python and start killing the people we trust.

The way I see it atm, if DF isn't mafia. (Which I think he is) then MP is and LC isn't. If he is LC is MP isn't and Dom isn't.

I get civvies can have particularly off games, but this would be an alarming amount of civvie lynches you influenced.

Also, has anyone gone through and analysed for a relationship between Ambray and MP? I could be see that being intresting, but I don't have time to look into it myself.

LC, this would be the time to defend DF.

Voting DF for now, I've been pinged by him for a while.

LC, why do you trust DF?

Mister Rearranger wrote: the risk that any baddie would figure out my role and take advantage of it's vanilla-ness? That, to me, seems like it could cause more harm than good.

To be fair, mafia already know who all the civvies are.

Also, this doesn't mean much, but i'm gonna say it so someone can string my words in a funny way and get me lynched: I can't play mafia as anything but genuine when i'm tired, too easy to slip. so, i'm civvie or w/e :P

Brain is mush atm, on field trip and had to take care of homework, and now it's 2 am.

Anyways, this is the first time i've considered MR all game, not because of a civvie read or anything of that sort, just hasn't been on my radar. Considering my love to wrong to lynch him, this is kinda pingy. I'll read arguments about him more thoroughly when I wake up at 7
because i don't remember if there were responses to this (Beside from Dom i think?) thoughts on this pseudo case against DF?

Made wrote: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p101640

Also wait.....
@Ambray i think?

How is it the mafia thing to do to have a bunch of theories at once? I mean isn't tunnel vision kinda bad? I was just bring up everything I could think of in one post so it's fresh in the minds of those who read it.

ok.

Ambray wrote:
I can't see any argument against DF in your posts.
Looks like you are posting this to sound like you are doing more than you actually are.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p101640

3 post, not much, and it's case.

Real talk tho, If MP and Dom are mafia i'm going to cry.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. Glad to be back!

I will try to catch up and read everything since I died, but I might not have the time. So any synopses or key points of interest I should pay attention to, you all feel free to point out.

I will start catching up tomorrow.

Everything leading up to roxy's death is about it for stuff you missed. I'd say Mp's argument against LC is worth noting, The Dom MP theory, Roxy and splints(or was it DF? either way pretty sure this was LC's theory), Me and snow, My argument against DF...that's all i can think of off the top of my head. I think Tinks been acting funny but Tink is new so i've been giving her the benefit of the doubt.

going out of town tomorrow, will probably be able to play, but thought y'all might want to know.

Epignosis wrote:The Cars:

Ambray
Bass_the_Clever - Lynched Day 3. Mack.
birdwithteeth11 - Killed Night 3 by Grem.
Black Rock
Boogs
DFaraday
Dom
fingersplints - Killed Night 4 by Chick Hicks. Replaced Kate on Day 5.
FZ. - Lynched Day 2. Guido.
Hedgeowl - Lynched Day 4. Mater.
Kate
Long Con
Made
Mister Rearranger
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou - Lynched Day 1. Fillmore.
Roxy - Lynched Day 5. Sarge.
sabie12 - Killed Night 5 by Grem.
Simon
Snow Dog
thellama73 - Killed Night 2 by Chick Hicks.
Tink

Alive: 13
Dead: 9

Based on the fact that Grem, rather than Maxel and other person who's not good, has been doing the killing each night, that at least one mafia is very much out of the discussion, while 1 or 2 are currently getting enough heat to warrant being checked by civvie roles?

Also, As seen above, it's very likely BWT is civvie

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:Maybe we should give further look into Roxy's Ambray theory?

I haven't found anything too interesting on it... have you?

Not in Roxy's case. Historically, I'm not sure how bad this game is, it seems most games go 3-4 days without a mafia kill, so at this point i'd say we're in bad shape, but day 4 seemed a little premature. What I find more interesting about Ambray is her influence, she was the first vote on 2 civvie lynches, but isn't talking as much as the more active members of this game. Nothing against the amount she's been posting, but to be on the wrong side of lynches in the fashion she's been is interesting. I kinda want to go back and see if the tide was already against the people she voted for before her vote, or afterwards. not to sure what to make of either scenario in those cases.

Elohcin wrote:

From Mr. The King...

"Please don't kill anymore civvies!!"

Baller.

Yo, sally, If you're still alive, you should totes hmu. Dynaco, you too bud.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I've been thinking and I still don't understand Rox's actions. I know a civvie could get frustrated, and I know Rox gets really into the game like I do, but she was barely taking any heat at all for the entire game, let alone before she voted herself amid my mentioning her again. It seemed completely unwarranted.

I'm not even sure I believe this, but I think it could be possible Rox was the Seemer. It's a plausible explanation for why she reacted that way.

I don't think it's true, really, but it's something to consider.

Dude...

oh....

Maybe we should give further look into Roxy's Ambray theory?

Snow Dog wrote:And i don't know why she can't be the seemer. Anything is possible.

I doubt she's seemer. She didn't have enough suspicion on her pre vote to warrant a move like that. Also, (unless mafia got lucky) someone would be incredibly for thinking she's a seemer, giving some sort of crazy good example of how she is seemer because of an inconsistency in her play with her role that'd be hard to find unless you are that role.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I am NOT the Seemer, but if you want to lynch me, go right ahead. I'm sick of players suspecting me game after game and not picking up on the fact that if I were bad I wouldn't easily avoid this BS suspicion by never mentioning the Seemer.

Gonna have to call you on this. This is a huge appeal to emotion had i ever seen one: something you've been vocally denouncing all game.

Yo everyone should probably vote considering Epi made a point of bring up the lack of votes N4

fell asleep for a nap at 6pm, and am just now waking up, my bad. Thanks for not killing me... Catching up...

sabie12 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Also the civs deserve to lose this for following bs cases/suspicions - I changed my vote to help.

This statement bothers me. Why would someone say this if they were civ? There is never a benefit to trying to convince someone you aren't civ when you are.

references to previous mafia games aside, Sabie, what's your opinion on LC's argument? MP's? What about other arguments against me?


linki- Misread the "I changed my vote to help" part, making her seems far less spiteful, Why is she voting for herself, and how does this relate to some arguments gaining more traction to others?

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:Ok, MP x Dom team doesn't make sense to me considering how close Dom's MP push was early game to getting him lynched, if i remember correctly.

Really? Because although Dom stated he would vote MP until he was dead, he didn't actually vote for him once. Even on the first day, when his vote could have made the difference and gotten MP lynched.

Rereading.....

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Also the civs deserve to lose this for following bs cases/suspicions - I changed my vote to help.

Why would a civvie do this?

Frustration, honestly I can relate. Real talk tho, I guess I can give Sabie a bye because she's addressed why she hasn't been online, but boog's vote .

Ok, MP x Dom team doesn't make sense to me considering how close Dom's MP push was early game to getting him lynched, if i remember correctly.

Re: the first LC quote.

Is there any other reasons you think they're on the same team beside the vote? I'm not finding anything on rereads, but i'm also exhausted atm.

Long Con wrote:How have I had a lack of baddie hunting?

I thought that MP was seeming like a baddie, so I came after him. I thought a Roxy truster might be bad, so I reread them. I found a connection that Roxy and fingersplints might be baddies, and I brought it up.

Was the reasoning for this because Splints voted for Roxy on that one poll?

This is an untrue accusation of me. You expect more of me, I'm sorry, but I was busy for much of this game. You're just accusing me because I've been busy when you say I haven't baddie hunted enough. If you can't see that, then I don't think anything I can say will convince you, and you're the one(s) with tunnel vision.

I don't know what MP is getting at, but when i say not baddie hunting, I mean not bringing new names to the table, or seriously considering more than one argument/person at a time. You've seemed to exhaust all you have out of a single person , then move on to the next one. This a play strategy that some use, being it one that often pings me, I take note of it often. When I think this play style, i think Dom, Epi, Llama some games, Ketterman. I don't think you.

Believe me when I say I get not having enough time to be as involved as you'd want to be, which is why i can't give you too much flax for drive by votes, but i still think this case has merit regardless of how often you can be here.

And re the me having tunnel vision remarks....

Yo Tink, Are you mafia?
also, Df, same question.

From a quick re-read of LC, I can see the aargument, especially with the lack of baddie hunting. Is LC the type of player to have tunnel vision? It wasn't until people stopped persuing mp did he start perusing me.

That said focused approaches can be civvie approaches(see Dom and Epi most games), but I personally don't recall this being LC's style. Have I ever played with a bad LC?

Roxy wrote:
See when I give trust I do not expect to be back stabbed after I do so quickly. Not very civvie imo.

I wouldn't call it a backstab to consider someone you trust as mafia, or simply pointing out things that ping from trusted people.

I'd say this is especially be sure since he named other people as top suspects.


Plane is taking off right now. Catching up later

Snow Dog wrote:Sorry. I meant the bass lynch

Bass_the_Clever
8
Ambray (9), Snow Dog (10), birdwithteeth11 (11), Made (12), Simon (15), MovingPictures07 (16), Black Rock (18), Long Con (19)
42%



Made
3
Dom (4), DFaraday (6), Hedgeowl (17)
16%

Snow Dog
4
Mister Rearranger (7), Tink (8), Boogs (13), Bass_the_Clever (14)
21%

.

Depends imo.

I think a way to figure it out would be to read the front page for the roles that seem most dangerous to mafia. If base seems to be acting like that role, more votes probably went to them. Especially considering the switch from snow to bass.

Then again, another way to look at Is all the people who voted bass are quickly dying off. Only person to not vote bass and die so far was hedgie.

DFaraday wrote:

Made wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I guess I voting snow dog. I think everyone who is voting for me needs to be looked at next lynch.

the first part of this one isn't a no you, but a save. The second part, however i'd consider a no u.

Boogs wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Switched my vote to Boogs for now since BWT showed up. Here's hoping it gets Boogs to talk.

I've expressed I would be busy this week being out of town already Sockman. I will swap my vote to you also in return

DFaraday wrote:I'm not going to be back before the poll closes, so I'll just go ahead and vote Made because his comment about Dom was both inaccurate and seemed like he was attempting to instigate suspicion of Dom.

not a no u, but imo fits the spirit of no u: voting for even considering that someone is mafia.

Alright, really tho gtg, night y'all

I wasn't voting you for considering that Dom might be Mafia. He may very well be for all I know.The reason I thought it was suspicious is because it struck me as trying to push suspicion on Dom based on a shaky premise (Dom being aloof). I wasn't trying to get you lynched, but what you said just pinged me more than anything Bass had done, especially given that FZ turned out to be civvie.

As for SD, I haven't really processed him this game, so I need to review him before I get a real impression of him.

evidence of a lack of a strong civve read on Dom in bold

DFaraday wrote:I'm not going to be back before the poll closes, so I'll just go ahead and vote Made because his comment about Dom was both inaccurate and seemed like he was attempting to instigate suspicion of Dom.

^ here we go


While my read was inaccurate, it was an attempt to get conversation started. So Doms reaction makes sense (I'm persecuting him in honestly) DF's had reaction is a bit shocking considering that he doesn't have a solid civvie read on Dom.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wait, what?

Hedge got 4 votes, Made and MR got 2, so it didn't get switched -- but the votes for Hedge came in at the last minute.

Or am I missing something?

Yeah, quite honestly, I thought the lynch was switched till I checked back.

Anyways, as people are asking for people to speak up, I think we should look at tink. I know this is their first game, but they just seem so focused and agressive for oppertunistic reasons, their second vote for snow especially

I Don't remember if it was DF or BR but I got a ping after Dom said something to the effect of "made suxs" and above person quickly followed with agreeance. given that post was ping sorta worth because it was an objective inaccurate read, but the strongest arguement against me (imo, bass') hadn't been made yet. A quick vote because of bass makes more sense to me than a quick vote because of Dom. I'm pretty sure they didnt change their vote so it's a click away for people not on cellphones.

Any specific questions or things anyone has for me, didn't catch anything directed towards me reading

Also, robotics is done (didn't place ), flying back home tomorrow, so ill check in when I can.

Sweet still alive, rip hedgie, looking for how I probably survived

To People who haven't voted yet.

Please note the descripencies between my accusers. All of them want me for different reasons, and some don't agree with the reasons of others. I'd call this a red flag, but I suppose that's up to you to determine.

At this point I'm the least sure of LC, so voting there.


If I am to die, make no assumptions on my role, they will be wrong.


Hopefully I can return before the vote, but phones is 8 percent

Ok, can't find the post, but just before My ambray comment, I read someone saying that The FZ lynch was Ambrays part, I didn't think so, so I said so.

K back later, more robot stuff.

Also, check out tink for low posters. Keep in mind it's their first game, but still they're pinging me to helll and back

Mister Rearranger wrote:Any reason you left BR, Sabie, Tink, and Simon off your mention of low participants?

Because I was on my cellphone and didn't feel like tabing back and checking low posters.


Also formatting this on my phone sucks, so I'm going to respond to roxys comment against me a second post.

Ebwop: "more harm than good, I won't."
The this in "dropped this" refers to me dopping the case against Dom.

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game.

No because he lied about my behavior.

even If I were mafia, this wouldn't work twice


I've underestimated how much time robotics would take, I am able to keep up, but I can't post nearly as much as I would like to.

As for reads at this point... I have a lot of civvie reads I feel confident in, which is rare for me. As posting list of people who you trust imo might do more harm than good.

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game.

No because he lied about my behavior.

The reason I dropped this was because I forgot doctor who. I don't think about games where I'm mafia like how I think about games where I'm civvie; I was too wrapped up in my team to focus on baddie hunting.

As for

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:It's sticking out like a sore thumb in my head that simple doesn't make sense. Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that?

Current reads, I'm really mixed on MP, It's interesting, how now that i have actually have bases to make an argument against him, he seems civvie. As DF described, he seems like his eccentric self. I think it's too early to lynch him if there's an alternative.
My lead going into this day was Llama, so

I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia.

Dom is reading Civvie, which is terrifying because normally he reads blank. He's far more helpful and seemingly rational than normal imo.

Hedgie and BWT should say more words

How have I been helpful tis game?

I literally didn't post for like any of Day 2?
He is making shit up.

I think I posted this after a few post you had about MP. They were helpful, so I said you were helpful this game.
I was just trying to give reads on people to progress the game.

Regardless I dropped the read on you because the views in it were valid.
Agreeing with Ambray, we need to look at quieter players. At this point, assuming say hedgie or Kate or boogs were Mafia, I'm not sure we have enough post to determine this.

Think I said everything I wanted to say, this was posted from my phone and kinda is a train of consciousness thing, so appologize for any redundantcy, or grammar errors
hopefully I'll be back some time tomorrow before the vote to say something meaningful, but no promises, expect a vote at the least.

Alright so let's start the day with leads, who is everyone the most suspicious of?
I'm on my cellphone atm so and need to re-read some stuff, but rest assure, the reads are on their way!

Voting Deej, got Robotics a competition, so i'll be out of town till sunday, and not sure how often i'll be able to check it.
That said, i'm addicted to Mafia, so whenever i have an internet connections i'll probably be online, so just in case, posting this.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I guess I voting snow dog. I think everyone who is voting for me needs to be looked at next lynch.

the first part of this one isn't a no you, but a save. The second part, however i'd consider a no u.

Boogs wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Switched my vote to Boogs for now since BWT showed up. Here's hoping it gets Boogs to talk.

I've expressed I would be busy this week being out of town already Sockman. I will swap my vote to you also in return

DFaraday wrote:I'm not going to be back before the poll closes, so I'll just go ahead and vote Made because his comment about Dom was both inaccurate and seemed like he was attempting to instigate suspicion of Dom.

not a no u, but imo fits the spirit of no u: voting for even considering that someone is mafia.

Alright, really tho gtg, night y'all

Roxy wrote:So you think I've had a lack of participation this game?

Don't understand what you are asking here.

And it was a defense of Ambray from you.

So you trust the 3 people who have lynched civvies gtk.

What no u's???

Not you, but in general this game due to real life circumstances has be relatively quiet. I wasn't sure if something came up and you (or anyone for that matter) couldn't play today because of that.

Honestly, I feel like not lynch mafia till like day 4 or 5 is pretty normal. If it isn't, what is?

Civvies lynch civvies too. I'm not going to be blinded by trust, but Civvies can't win without it and they are reading best for me atm. This is why i hope that tomorrow, i can get some perspective from who thinks who is bad and find more people to trust, or remove unwarranted trust. (it should be noted that the reason i'm listing these people is because they were mentioned above, not because they're the only people, or even all people i trust trust )

No u's on the way, there's a few that stick out in my head, but give me a sec..
the no you, and what ever linki i reply to in that post is going to have to be the last i post tonight, HW and other boring irl ish.

Made wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am sure I do not understand the following:

Not one person mentioned me being quiet - ergo - silenced.

or just not participating, with the lack of discussion in general, that's not shocking.

Why you would follow anything Ambray, MP or Snow say since they have led or helped lynch 3 consecutive civs. After the FZ fiasco I am quite literally shocked that you all went after Bass.

Having only found one baddie in my entire mafia career, I'm not very shocked. It feels normal. what is normal for mafia lynches anyways?

Why no one thought it was weird how Made out of the blue defended Ambray from accusations that only one person mentioned and not one vote her way. Very strange considering it was unsolicited and she was not the topic of discussion.

It wasn't a defense, it was a genuine question that no one answered ._.

AND ANOTHER THING
can we stop the no yous? So many this game. And while it's not a mafia only tactic, it's helping mafia by discouraging making arguments, stunting discussion.

Roxy wrote:I am sure I do not understand the following:

Not one person mentioned me being quiet - ergo - silenced.

or just not participating, with the lack of discussion in general, that's not shocking.

Why you would follow anything Ambray, MP or Snow say since they have led or helped lynch 3 consecutive civs. After the FZ fiasco I am quite literally shocked that you all went after Bass.

Having only found one baddie in my entire mafia career, I'm not very shocked. It feels normal. what is normal for mafia lynches anyways?

Why no one thought it was weird how Made out of the blue defended Ambray from accusations that only one person mentioned and not one vote her way. Very strange considering it was unsolicited and she was not the topic of discussion.

It wasn't a defense, it was a genuine question that no one answered ._.

Open your eyes civvies - do not follow people who only have led lynches against civvies this game.

To be fair, what other arguments were there yesterday? Snow? He changed opinions and so people wanted his head. By the time my name was even mentioned, we were 6 votes deep on Bass. If we're going to catch mafia, we need more discussion and more names. At this point I at least kinda trust Ambray, Mp, and Snow. What i think instead is going on is a quiet mafia, or at least passive one. I mean It's hard to find and kill people when new ideas are immediately rejected, by all active voices. that's what I feel happened yesterday.

My point? We need to go into Day 4 with an open mind, get an idea of how everyone feel about everyone else so we can smother mafia's influence with sheer volume of new leads: especially from less talkative people.

If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options.
Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back?

Ambray wrote:I read a few things earlier by DF that cricked my brow, but...and I hate to say it....it would rely on Bass coming back bad.

I'm going to put my vote there, because I do think that MP was genuinely onto something and I didn't think the case on Bass was connected to FZ honestly, the case on Bass was that it looked like he slipped up by knowing who was targeted for the NK.

^ main reason I changed my tune. I thought they had to be linked honestly because everyone was voting for FZ. The key's in my phrasing, "i'm not seeing". When Ambray pointed this out, I reread to confirm my understanding was correct, and it wasn't.
I rather be wishywashy than wrong for consistency's sake.

linki: poop